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07:28.52Lone_WandererYou around macnewbold?
07:30.17bigdog_ut~smake macnewbold
07:30.24bigdog_utLone_Wanderer, he is not around
07:30.28Lone_Wandererk
07:30.38Lone_Wanderer~smake bigdog_ut
07:30.44Lone_Wandererhmm.  what's that do?
07:30.56bigdog_ut~smack Lone_Wanderer
07:30.57jbotACTION smacks Lone_Wanderer upside the head.
07:31.00Lone_Wandererahh
07:32.11bigdog_utdid you need some help Lone_Wanderer?
07:32.26Lone_Wandereryeah, I need a new job, and iirc Mac owns his own company ;)
07:34.02bigdog_utlol...he does own a company
07:35.39Lone_Wandererand I was hoping he might be hiring, too
07:36.37bigdog_uthe could be not sure...what skillz u got?
07:37.29Lone_Wandererphp, mysql, customer service/interaction, the ability to spell and compose grammatically correct sentences
07:38.24bigdog_utbut are you a guru?
07:38.58Lone_WandererI've been writing php professionally for about five years.
07:39.26Lone_WandererI used to read the PHP manual for fun.  In my spare time I'm working through (slowly) SICP and TAOCP.
07:39.49bigdog_utwhat is your os of choice?
07:40.18Lone_WandererI use XP as my desktop machine, but I prefer FreeBSD as a server on account of /ports (plus I supported it for a year when I worked at Verio.)
07:40.41synicyou guys are up late :o
07:40.51bigdog_ut~smack synic
07:40.53jbotACTION smacks synic upside the head.
07:40.59bigdog_utsynic, its all about the work
07:41.01Lone_WandererJust out of curiosity, is this a preliminary interview?  'Cause my boss just popped in and said "I'm going to bed, you should too."
07:41.07Lone_WandererSo if it's not then I'm going to do just that :)
07:41.15bigdog_utlol
07:41.24bigdog_utjust curious on the skillz
07:41.26Lone_Wandererkk
07:41.33Lone_Wanderertoodles everyone, have a good night.  I'm off to sleep.
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15:00.44dataw0lfAnyone have experience in writing PHP extensions?
15:01.20dataw0lfI'm surprised at how easy it's turning out to be, but I'm wondering if there are any good library references someone could recommend for PHPs headers and libraries
15:03.16dataw0lfa good indepth reference for ZVALs would be greath
15:08.06dataw0lfs/greath/great
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15:22.45dataw0lfAnybody?  Anyone know of a book on the subject?
15:49.43synicdataw0lf: you ever eat at phats?
15:50.37dataw0lfsynic: Nope.  
15:51.09synicwe should all go there one day... free pool and great food.
15:52.36dataw0lfsounds good
15:52.49dataw0lfyou should join me in learning how to write PHP extensions.
15:52.52dataw0lfSo far it's really easy.
15:52.59dataw0lfBut online documentation is pretty sparse.
15:53.19synicwhy are you learning?
15:53.44dataw0lfto implement pseudo Pythonic modules/namespaces in PHP
15:54.13dataw0lfnow I ain't sayin she a gold digga
15:54.21dataw0lfbut she ain't messing with no broke *****s
15:55.06synic'cause it'll be a cold day before I write that media player in c++
15:58.23dataw0lfI'm reasonably knowledgeable in writing Python extension modules in C
15:58.48dataw0lfbut there are several relatively easy ways to import C++ libraries into Python
15:59.08synicah, I think fmod has a C API too
15:59.16dataw0lfhttp://www.boost.org/libs/python/doc/
15:59.31dataw0lfI'd try using that before you delve into Python C extension modules.
15:59.54dataw0lfC's my favorite language and it's pretty hair pulling for me writing them.
16:07.36dataw0lfwhy are you so big on using fmod?
16:08.11syniccross platform
16:08.16synicotherwise I'd use gstreamer.
16:09.11dataw0lfbuilding a Python fmod library that adheres to being as cross platform as fmod is going to take you forever, and probably isn't even worth it.
16:09.33dataw0lflooks kinda heavy weight for a media player.
16:10.34dataw0lfwhy not use OpenAL?
16:10.48synicnever heard of it
16:11.03dataw0lfPython already has a module for it, too.
16:11.13synicsweet
16:18.41dataw0lfor you could use mad, which would probably be a bit more applicable, but I don't know how cross platform it is.
16:19.00synicyeah, I looked into mad
16:19.12syniclooks like it's compilable on windows...
16:19.27dataw0lfpython has alot of tools for mad
16:19.30synicI might just bag the cross platform thing, though. Who cares about windows.
16:20.26dataw0lfYeah.  You should just make an awesome media player for Linux
16:21.28synicwhat didn't you like about amarok?
16:22.38dataw0lfuses KDE libs.
16:22.58synicwhat about the functionality?
16:23.12dataw0lfDidn't use it long enough.
16:25.19synic'cause yeah, I'm gonna use a lot of their ideas.
16:26.59dataw0lfLike what?
16:28.38synicessentially I use amarok like this:  I load /all/ of my music into a playlist, and just play the whole deal on random.  If I want to hear a certain track/album, they have a filter dealie where you just type the name in.  You can then queue up as many tracks as you want.
16:29.03synicsome stuff that's nice, but not necessary, are the album cover manager and the "artist" tab, which looks up the artist on wikipedia
16:29.26synicthe cover manager will download all the cover art from amazon, so when you're listening to the track, you can see the album cover
16:29.53synicthey also have a "lyrics" tab... I'm not sure where their getting those from
16:30.32dataw0lfthat album info stuff should be a cake to implement.
16:30.37synicindeed
16:30.46synicI actually think this whole thing will be pretty easy.
16:30.47dataw0lfI think you should concentrate on a very clean interface
16:36.12dataw0lf"Iraq war will cost U.S. $2 trillion, or the equivalent of 200 billion copies of My Pet Goat" haha
16:37.47synic"I helped a friend stay the other day.  Way easier than helping him move.  I just went over to his apartment and made sure he did not start loading s*** into a truck"
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16:38.47dataw0lfhehe
16:43.40dataw0lfhttp://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/5953966/detail.html awesome
16:45.19_psychic_whoa
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16:47.36dataw0lfsynic: http://www.underbit.com/resources/mpeg/audio/compliance/
16:48.21synichuh, mad wins
16:48.41synicthough I'll probably just use it through gstreamer
16:48.57synicthe python-gstreamer interface is super easy.
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17:01.32dataw0lfsynic: you see this: dataw0lf.org/Regdict.py
17:03.20synicthat's kinda groovy
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18:11.08*** topic/#uphpu is Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org
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21:59.37RyanEjsmith: going to swim the channel?
21:59.55_psychic_its a cold day: i wouldn't advise it.
22:02.12dataw0lfjsmith: I got several people interested in going to your user group, I guess I'll see you there.
22:02.24jsmithdataw0lf: You're coming?!?  Great!
22:02.37jsmithdataw0lf: Bring your book and I"ll sign it :-)
22:02.41dataw0lf:D
22:02.42dataw0lfwill do
22:03.13_psychic_what user's group is this?
22:03.29dataw0lfthe Utah Asterisk User Group
22:03.53dataw0lfI guess he's not a fan!
22:03.54dataw0lf:D
22:04.51dataw0lfsomeone check their UPHPU mail and tell me if they see my recent message?
22:05.02dataw0lfas of today, topic = PHP Extensions
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22:07.25RyanEjsmith: sorry your meeting is tomorrow night.  I'd love to have you sign my copy of the book (and come to the meeting).
22:07.44RyanEI can't even go to the PLUG mtg.  Promised to pick the neighbors up at the airport.
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22:10.29dataw0lfRyanE: if your email is readily accessible could you check it for me?
22:12.42RyanEyeah.  Looking for a UPHPU post from you?
22:13.22RyanEdon't see one.  Unless I already read it, deleted it without remembering, but that's unlikely.
22:13.34RyanEI only remember you asking about extensions on here.
22:13.37dataw0lfyeah, it just got posted today.  Hmmm.  It's fine on my end.
22:13.48dataw0lfwps: problems with the mail server?
22:14.49dataw0lfRyanE: I've been pretty surprised at how simple it is to write extensions, comparatively.  I'd just like an indepth reference on the subject so I can take it to the next level.
22:15.28dataw0lfhttp://news.yahoo.com/photo/060109/480/nyet27501091906
22:15.32RyanEyeah, we wrote part of our software at my last company as PHP extensions.  I didn't do it personally, though.
22:15.57RyanEactually, they may have been Apache extensions, now that I think of it.
22:16.09RyanEi.e. modules.
22:16.21dataw0lfwrite.
22:16.24dataw0lfum
22:16.25dataw0lfright
22:16.26dataw0lfwow
22:16.28dataw0lfdyslexia
22:16.31dataw0lfor something
22:16.40dataw0lfsynapses in my brain are firing off in opposite directions.
22:18.12dataw0lfI've tried to stay as far away from the Apache API as I can.
22:18.19jsmithMe too.
22:18.48RyanEhehe.  I don't even do web dev anymore, other than as a hobby at home.
22:18.59dataw0lfI've heard horror stories reminiscient of ye old pthreads campfire tales.
22:19.13jsmithMe either... except for a little project I'm working on, that has a web component.
22:19.19dataw0lfYeah, I've only done three or four web dev projects on contract.
22:19.23dataw0lfI stay lower level.
22:19.40dataw0lfbut I've been pulled into PHP extensions out of curiosity.
22:19.42jsmithdataw0lf: Lucky you.
22:19.43RyanEThat used to my my FT job, and a project on the side at the same time.
22:19.58RyanEback when I worked from home.
22:20.08dataw0lfat my FT job I just hire out for web dev.
22:20.21dataw0lfI review our contractors code, but that's about as close as i'm willing to get ;)
22:20.48RyanEI don't mind web dev, but a change is nice.
22:21.06jsmithChange is always nice...
22:21.46dataw0lfmeh, PHP isn't my favorite language.  And I'm unwilling to work with *SP, Perl, and Ruby.  And I don't have the eye for design.  *shrug*
22:22.28RyanEI now code in C++ most of the time, but I'm liking the look of Ruby.  Sort of like a C-coders' version of Lisp.
22:22.32jsmithLuckily, I'm married to a graphical genius...
22:22.48jsmith(who actually codes a fair amount of PHP)
22:22.51RyanELuckily, I'm married to a very patient woman...
22:23.05jsmithUnfortunately, I end up debugging her code a lot :-(
22:23.11dataw0lfjsmith: Wow.  Like, perfect marriage for a programmer.
22:23.27jsmithdataw0lf: You don't hear me complaining.
22:23.33dataw0lf:D
22:23.43jsmithdataw0lf: Not only that, but she likes Sci-fi :-)
22:23.48dataw0lfRyanE: Python > Ruby in Lispish comparisons.
22:23.53dataw0lfjsmith: Hmph.
22:24.21RyanEdataw0lf: I was permanently warped against Python by RedHat's Kickstart code.
22:24.29dataw0lfI'm good at getting the women, and I don't have a problem finding competent artists.  It's just the putting them together that I haven't accomplished yet.
22:24.54dataw0lfRyanE: tsk tsk.  You should give it a second chance.  You'll thank me eventually.
22:25.19dataw0lfsynic used to be super uber pro Ruby when I met him.  Look at the monster I've turned him into.
22:25.38dataw0lfpaper bags were invented for a reason
22:25.52RyanEand so was beer, from what I've been told.  :)
22:26.42RyanEdataw0lf: I've only got so much time, and I don't see Python's answer to Rails.
22:27.00RyanEand I don't see as many people writing domain-specific languages in Python.
22:27.17RyanEthose two things cause me to turn towards Ruby.  That, and it's hawt.  :)
22:28.29dataw0lfhehe
22:28.35dataw0lfstealing my 'hawt'.
22:28.47dataw0lfRails is bleh.
22:30.03dataw0lfI don't quite understand the domain-specific language argument.  I'm pretty much anti dsl.  Thus my pseudo sneering at PHP.
22:30.15RyanEdataw0lf: yeah, I spelt it that way on porpoise.
22:31.22dataw0lfok, flipper.
22:49.11wpsdataw0lf, mailman wasn't running
22:49.34jsmithwps: Way to go!
22:49.46wpsI need to set it to start on boot
22:53.13fungusAnyone have much experience w/ ZendOptimizer?
22:55.16fungusIt keeps causing segfaulting in apache.  But it is seemingly random.  or possibly caused by bad PHP code.  neither of which can be verified.
22:55.16jsmithfungus: Yeah, for better of for worse.
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22:55.31jsmithfungus: Never seen it cause segfaults.
22:56.57fungusI had a customer that wanted it installed cause they bought some non-free crap app from somewhere.  I thought, it would be a simple install and go thing.
22:57.01fungusI was wrong.
22:58.01fungusI can't narrow it down to a specific site, or page cause there are so many on that server.  But I really shouldn't have to.  Erg!
23:02.48Utah_Davejsmith: where and when is your  Utah Asterisk User Group meeting?
23:03.42jsmithUtah_Dave: Check utaug.org.  Somewhere on highland drive, tomorrow.
23:06.55Utah_Davethanks
23:07.55macnewboldUtah Asterisk Group?!? Cool!
23:07.56jsmithNo problem.

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