| 01:18.24 | Epilog | anyone awaken? |
| 01:33.53 | wps | Epilog, are you subscribed to the general discussion list? |
| 01:34.15 | Epilog | not |
| 01:34.21 | Epilog | second time here :D |
| 01:34.42 | Epilog | wps: have a problem |
| 01:34.46 | Epilog | html / php one |
| 01:34.47 | wps | I posted a question about your 404 issues |
| 01:34.55 | Epilog | dunno how to do it |
| 01:34.57 | wps | someone's response: http://uphpu.org/pipermail/uphpu/2005-November/004158.html |
| 01:35.00 | Epilog | I solved that |
| 01:35.13 | Epilog | had to echo this |
| 01:35.36 | Epilog | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.36 | Epilog | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.36 | Epilog | ?> |
| 01:35.36 | Epilog | <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN"> |
| 01:35.36 | Epilog | <html><head> |
| 01:35.39 | Epilog | <title>404 Not Found</title> |
| 01:35.41 | Epilog | </head><body> |
| 01:35.43 | Epilog | <h1>Not Found</h1> |
| 01:35.45 | Epilog | <p>The requested URL <? echo $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'];?> was not found on this server.</p> |
| 01:35.47 | Epilog | <hr> |
| 01:35.49 | Epilog | <? echo $_SERVER['SERVER_SIGNATURE']; ?>. |
| 01:35.51 | Epilog | </body></html> |
| 01:35.53 | Epilog | <? |
| 01:35.55 | Epilog | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.57 | Epilog | } |
| 01:35.59 | Epilog | sorry for the flood |
| 01:36.32 | Epilog | wps: dunno how to do something |
| 01:36.43 | wps | use pastebin for code, please |
| 01:36.48 | wps | what's your question? |
| 01:36.52 | Epilog | in my site I have a table with 3 rows |
| 01:37.08 | Epilog | bascially a table with 400px, with 3 rows, 1st on the top, 3rd on the bottom and 2nd spacer between |
| 01:37.50 | Epilog | wps: the patient -> http://epilog.ath.cx/hotspot/ |
| 01:39.06 | wps | k… what's the question? |
| 01:39.32 | Epilog | try the http://epilog.ath.cx/hotspot/?res=notyet |
| 01:39.54 | Epilog | the codigo menu should be ok and the two img of the validating should be in the bottom |
| 01:40.02 | Epilog | of the light grey table |
| 01:40.09 | Epilog | but dunno how to do this |
| 01:41.41 | wps | you're trying to figure out how to align the two W3C images at the bottom of your column? |
| 01:42.35 | Epilog | yep |
| 01:42.49 | Epilog | either 3 rows, one on top, one spacer and one at the bottom |
| 01:43.02 | wps | well, first, I would recommend against using tables for layout |
| 01:43.12 | Epilog | or else 2 one on top with 20/50px and the last on bottom |
| 01:43.18 | Epilog | but the table must have 400px |
| 01:44.04 | wps | second, I would recommend writing your code in all lowercase |
| 01:44.43 | Epilog | tought it was the other way arround |
| 01:45.21 | wps | third, I would move all of your style declarations into an external style sheet |
| 01:45.37 | Epilog | after all is ok :D |
| 01:45.48 | Epilog | already tought of that |
| 01:47.31 | wps | to answer your question though… they way that I would do it would be to put the badges in a div that spans the width of the site, so that it is always beneath any general content, keeping it always at the bottom of the page… this would mean that your two columns would exist in two instances, but it would keep it clean |
| 01:47.54 | wps | there is not currently a clean way to align something to the bottom of a block element |
| 01:48.12 | wps | CSS spec defines a way, but there is not currently support for it amongst the general browsers |
| 01:49.26 | Epilog | wps: firefox and IE :D |
| 01:49.41 | Epilog | wps: so what should I do? |
| 01:49.53 | Epilog | inc a variable to count how many menu's |
| 01:50.04 | Epilog | multiply by 24px that each menu has |
| 01:50.09 | wps | no, "the way that I would do it would be to put the badges in a div that spans the width of the site, so that it is always beneath any general content, keeping it always at the bottom of the page… this would mean that your two columns would exist in two instances, but it would keep it clean" |
| 01:50.18 | Epilog | add a spacer with 400 - count*24-images |
| 01:50.46 | Epilog | wps: so no tables and div's |
| 01:51.09 | wps | no, I don't see a need for any spacers |
| 01:51.47 | Epilog | so a div with the menus and a height of 80% +- |
| 01:51.56 | Epilog | and a bottom div with 20% ? |
| 01:52.03 | wps | no |
| 01:52.20 | wps | that wouldn't keep the badges at the bottom |
| 01:52.30 | wps | that would only keep them in the bottom 20% |
| 01:53.13 | Epilog | wps: so how do I do it? |
| 01:53.25 | Epilog | my html is still a little green |
| 01:53.46 | wps | well, I am not sure how else to tell you without showing you (ie: doing it for you) |
| 01:55.24 | wps | hold please |
| 01:57.13 | wps | I'm feeling the itch to write a little code, so I'll show you |
| 02:07.05 | Epilog | wps: I did it |
| 02:07.14 | Epilog | now very pretty but ... |
| 02:07.40 | Epilog | wps: <TR style="height: <? echo (250-$count*20); ?>px;"> |
| 02:22.31 | wps | well, that is a way :) |
| 02:22.38 | wps | I won't be able to finish my example until later |
| 02:22.46 | wps | friends just arrived for a surprise birthday party |
| 02:22.52 | wps | I'll be back later |
| 03:13.46 | Epilog | wps: happy bithday :D |
| 04:52.21 | wps | thanks |
| 04:53.09 | RyanE_ | wps: your birthday today? happy birthday. |
| 04:53.19 | RyanE_ | so how old are you now? |
| 04:53.40 | wps | it is |
| 04:53.41 | wps | thanks |
| 04:53.42 | wps | 26 |
| 04:54.37 | RyanE_ | woa |
| 04:54.39 | RyanE_ | whoa |
| 04:54.53 | RyanE_ | I've got 12 years on you. |
| 04:54.56 | RyanE_ | :) |
| 04:55.23 | wps | ha haha |
| 04:56.21 | RyanE_ | I knew you were young, but that's pretty young. :) |
| 04:58.45 | RyanE_ | well, I hope you don't feel as old as I have since my last birthday. Congrats. |
| 05:02.41 | wps | O dpm |
| 05:02.44 | wps | pp[s |
| 05:02.48 | wps | dang |
| 05:02.52 | wps | where is home row? |
| 05:03.04 | wps | I feel a little old, but not too bad |
| 05:04.46 | RyanE_ | I've been surprised by feeling old this year, since Oct 9. I think getting the flu (or something related) hasn't helped. |
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| 06:07.27 | wps | Epilog ? |
| 06:10.33 | wps | I have this example if you're still interested |
| 06:14.49 | bigdog_ut | lets see your example |
| 06:18.24 | wps | original: http://epilog.ath.cx/hotspot/?res=notyet |
| 06:18.38 | wps | how to do it: http://home.wadeshearer.com/epilog/ |
| 06:20.25 | wps | now 'dats some lean, mean code |
| 06:22.10 | wps | code moved: http://anavidesign.com/temp/epilog/ |
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| 15:28.48 | _psychic_ | Anyone know how to tell what file a certain function has been called from? |
| 15:29.54 | wps | not sure what you are asking? |
| 15:30.10 | wps | (not sure why I put a question mark there either) |
| 15:30.22 | wps | I am not sure what you are asking |
| 15:31.02 | _psychic_ | something like basename that will tall me file file called the function test() in another file |
| 15:31.05 | _psychic_ | *tell |
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| 16:05.03 | _psychic_ | anyone here done xml-rpc with php before? |
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| 16:51.23 | Epilog | wps: saw the site. That's what I was looking for. Really appreciatted !!! |
| 16:51.46 | wps | you're welcome |
| 16:51.48 | wps | glad to help |
| 16:52.08 | wps | I hope you don't mine me putting an article up on the site. I thought that others could benefit from the example. |
| 16:52.12 | wps | s/mine/mind |
| 16:53.36 | Epilog | wps. They is very simple... |
| 16:53.40 | Epilog | very good design |
| 16:53.53 | Epilog | a lot less of code... |
| 16:53.59 | Epilog | easier to manage |
| 16:54.12 | Epilog | and no tabs :D |
| 16:54.49 | macnewbold | g'day all |
| 16:56.06 | wps | hey, mac |
| 16:56.23 | macnewbold | hey _psychic_, did you ever find out how to tell where the func was called from? |
| 16:56.34 | macnewbold | there are some backtrace functions that help |
| 16:56.47 | _psychic_ | debug_backtrace seemed to have what I needed - thanks. |
| 16:56.55 | macnewbold | yep |
| 16:56.56 | macnewbold | that's the one |
| 16:57.38 | wps | and it validates like a champ :) |
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| 17:09.52 | Epilog | wps: have a problem with th epage |
| 17:10.22 | Epilog | wps: on firefox, the header imag doesn't appear and I get a bit long rule on top of the footer |
| 17:10.52 | wps | refresh |
| 17:11.49 | Epilog | same |
| 17:11.55 | Epilog | do you want a screen? |
| 17:12.08 | wps | what platform? |
| 17:12.55 | Epilog | linux firefox 1.0.7 |
| 17:13.05 | Epilog | wps: konuqeror runs ok |
| 17:13.24 | wps | sure, show a screen shot |
| 17:15.06 | Epilog | one sec |
| 17:15.36 | Epilog | also had some validating errors |
| 17:15.39 | Epilog | corrected |
| 17:15.52 | Epilog | they were more typpos |
| 17:17.59 | Epilog | wps: how do I send it? |
| 17:18.01 | Epilog | wait |
| 17:18.03 | Epilog | I put it |
| 17:18.06 | Epilog | here |
| 17:18.12 | Epilog | epilog.png |
| 17:18.15 | wps | toss it on your server |
| 17:18.52 | Epilog | http://epilog.ath.cx/epilog.png |
| 17:19.27 | wps | ah, that file is old |
| 17:19.31 | wps | I moved it to the UPHPU server |
| 17:19.36 | wps | http://uphpu.org/presentations/2005-11-27_valid_xhtml_case_study/redesign/ |
| 17:21.24 | Epilog | wps: yep :D |
| 17:22.17 | Epilog | wps: did you use plain html or a php? |
| 17:22.31 | wps | there is nothing dynamic about the page |
| 17:23.42 | Epilog | ok |
| 17:23.53 | Epilog | wps: its very different from mine :D |
| 17:24.20 | wps | indeed |
| 17:25.37 | Epilog | for the best :D |
| 17:25.44 | Epilog | wps: remind me |
| 17:26.00 | Epilog | if you come to Portugal to buy you a beer |
| 17:26.14 | wps | will do |
| 17:26.29 | wps | it'll have to be an Apple-Beer though |
| 17:27.05 | wps | I do appreciate the thank you either way however |
| 17:27.44 | Epilog | a happy birthday? |
| 17:27.53 | wps | yeah |
| 17:28.23 | Epilog | in portugese or english? |
| 17:29.16 | wps | what? |
| 17:29.23 | Epilog | the happy birthday |
| 17:29.28 | Epilog | in pt or english? |
| 17:29.32 | RyanE | feliz anniversario. |
| 17:29.34 | RyanE | :) |
| 17:29.45 | RyanE | Epilog: I don't think wps speaks Portugues. |
| 17:31.22 | Epilog | :D |
| 17:33.06 | Epilog | either way, happy birtday wps and thanks for the html. It was a very baluable one |
| 17:33.43 | Epilog | the worst thing to do is to write more code on a ender ending confused code |
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| 17:42.15 | Epilog | time to afternoon snack |
| 17:57.02 | macnewbold | I don't speak portugues, but I understand a fair amount... I lived in Argentina for a couple of years, and would talk to truckers from Brasil who were passing through... |
| 17:57.11 | macnewbold | Epilog: what part of brasil are you in? |
| 17:57.29 | wps | macnewbold, you lived in Argentina? |
| 17:58.09 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 17:58.19 | wps | that's cool |
| 17:58.23 | macnewbold | it's been a while now, I got back about 6 years ago |
| 17:58.24 | wps | that's where my pops served his mission |
| 17:58.28 | macnewbold | me too :) |
| 17:58.41 | macnewbold | I was in the Rosario mission, just north of Buenos Aires |
| 17:58.47 | macnewbold | bordered on Uruguay |
| 18:05.17 | RyanE | mac: I was in Curitiba, which has Foz do Iguacu in it, bordering Argentina and Paraguy. |
| 18:07.00 | macnewbold | right, that's the mission right to the north of where I served |
| 18:07.08 | macnewbold | one of the cities where I lived is now part of that mission |
| 18:07.17 | macnewbold | small world :) |
| 18:07.35 | RyanE | yep. Also, I believe Epilog stated that he was in Portugal, not Brasil. |
| 18:07.57 | RyanE | "10:25 < Epilog> if you come to Portugal to buy you a beer" |
| 18:44.55 | macnewbold | doh |
| 18:44.57 | macnewbold | correct |
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| 21:24.29 | RyanE | Epilog: yes |
| 21:25.01 | Epilog | RyanE: had a problem but I think I dot it |
| 21:25.03 | Epilog | got it |
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| 22:18.44 | Utah_Dave | jsmith: you around? |
| 22:19.33 | macnewbold | ~bonk jsmith |
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| 22:19.54 | macnewbold | if he doesn't respond to that, then jsmith is probably not around... |
| 22:20.23 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 22:20.24 | Utah_Dave | thanks mac! |
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| 22:39.30 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 22:39.35 | macnewbold | sorry I'm not more help |
| 22:40.54 | bradym | anyone here developed an application for the horde framework before? |
| 22:41.01 | jsmith | Utah_Dave: Yeah, I'm here... |
| 22:41.11 | jsmith | Utah_Dave: Slow, but I'm here... |
| 22:44.20 | Utah_Dave | oh, well I had a config problem with asterisk. but I got it figured out. |
| 22:44.30 | Utah_Dave | thanks anyways! |
| 23:18.44 | macnewbold | bradym: I use horde a bit, because of imp webmail, but I have never, and will never, develop an application on top of their framework |
| 23:19.32 | bradym | mac: why's that? |
| 23:20.32 | RyanE | bradym: it looked quite disorganized when I last looked at it. It was even a pain to setup, when I set it up for imp webmail years ago. |
| 23:20.45 | RyanE | I have since dropped IMP and use Squirrelmail, which was a breeze to setup. |
| 23:21.39 | bradym | yeah... i got it setup, which was pain, but wanted to get some opinions before i decide if i should give it a shot or can it.. |
| 23:23.27 | RyanE | I don't think there's much adoption to using it in anything outside of Horde's current web apps. At least, I've never heard of anyone using it as their framework. |
| 23:24.10 | macnewbold | the framework didn't even look like they intended the API to be used by anything but their own apps |
| 23:24.20 | macnewbold | it was very confusing, disorganized, and hard to understand |
| 23:24.42 | macnewbold | we run IMP, SquirrelMail, and soon RoundCube's AJAX webmail |
| 23:24.49 | RyanE | that was my impression when I last looked at any of that code, about 2 years ago. |
| 23:24.55 | RyanE | why IMP? |
| 23:24.57 | macnewbold | and yes, the horde/imp setup is terrible |
| 23:25.03 | RyanE | it's slow, it sucks. |
| 23:25.19 | macnewbold | it was one that we knew people had used, i.e. XMission uses it, and we wanted to have at least two options |
| 23:25.19 | RyanE | Squirrelmail with PHPA Accelerator is pretty zippy, IMHO. |
| 23:25.29 | macnewbold | it's very full featured, too |
| 23:25.33 | RyanE | I don't think Xmission uses it anymore, do they? |
| 23:25.36 | macnewbold | but the code is horrendus |
| 23:25.37 | macnewbold | sp |
| 23:25.39 | RyanE | I thought they were over on Squirrelmail |
| 23:25.45 | macnewbold | I don't know, they may have changed |
| 23:26.40 | RyanE | ok, I take it back. It's definitely IMP |
| 23:27.30 | RyanE | but quite a bit newer look than last time. |
| 23:27.54 | macnewbold | yes, horde 3 is much better looking |
| 23:28.33 | bradym | those are some good points... thanks guys.. :) |
| 23:32.16 | fungus | horde 3 has some really cool features. I set it up here, and love using it. Setting it up is another story. Total PITA. |
| 23:33.55 | macnewbold | upgrading even is a royal pain |
| 23:36.07 | fungus | Roundcube has some great ideas, but uses memory very very inefficiently. Example: to send a message your memory limit has to be 8 times your message size plus 3M. |
| 23:37.30 | RyanE | sounds like the 'Pessimizing Compiler' I write in college. It implemented register allocation by only using registers to perform the actual calculation, and moving things into and out of registers for the calculation made the code 3x slower than an 'optimizing' compiler. :) |
| 23:38.13 | fungus | lol |
| 23:39.53 | RyanE | passed, though. Got me an A in the class, as implementing register allocation was extra points. I just figured out how many virtual registers the example program would use to compile, and created an array of virtual registers 3x the size. :) |
| 23:40.46 | RyanE | I later told the teacher of the class, as he had hired me out of college for my first job. He was quite amused, and teases me to this day. |
| 23:42.09 | fungus | it's pretty funny how bad code you wrote years ago still comes back to bite you. |
| 23:43.04 | RyanE | all of the code I wrote in that job is long gone. |
| 23:43.09 | RyanE | and the job after that. |
| 23:43.42 | RyanE | and the job after that, except for a fix for PXE boot that allows you to boot on a machine with > 1G RAM. |
| 23:44.21 | RyanE | proprietary code seems to go away a lot quicker. |
