| 00:00.34 | macnewbold | mostly |
| 00:00.37 | macnewbold | yes |
| 00:00.41 | macnewbold | actually, that's what they called it |
| 00:00.47 | macnewbold | if you're on freebsd, use the ports |
| 00:00.49 | macnewbold | if it's been updated |
| 00:00.51 | macnewbold | which I think it has |
| 00:00.58 | macnewbold | but it's a way easy install |
| 00:01.08 | macnewbold | even if you just grab the tarball |
| 00:01.22 | macnewbold | make sure you apply 0.9.8-update1 too |
| 00:05.03 | mindjuju | bout how long does it take to install freebsd? couple of hours? |
| 00:07.32 | macnewbold | no |
| 00:07.34 | macnewbold | it can be pretty |
| 00:07.36 | macnewbold | quick |
| 00:07.38 | macnewbold | pretty, too |
| 00:07.51 | macnewbold | unless it's a really really slow box, |
| 00:08.02 | macnewbold | you can probably install it in 20-30 minutes |
| 00:08.13 | macnewbold | then depending what packages and ports you need to install, |
| 00:08.20 | macnewbold | add another 10-60 minutes |
| 00:08.27 | macnewbold | servers are easier than desktops |
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| 01:12.45 | macnewbold | go to the meeting, y'all! |
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| 03:59.05 | Utah_Dave | how was the meeting? |
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| 04:29.47 | bigdog_ut | how was the meeting tonight? |
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| 06:26.37 | wps | can anyone give a report on the meeting? |
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| 06:32.05 | bigdog_ut | so how was the meeting tonight? |
| 06:34.04 | wps | guess no one in the channel was there |
| 06:34.09 | wps | I ended up not being able to make it |
| 06:34.35 | wps | but, I did fix the archives |
| 06:37.29 | bigdog_ut | cool |
| 06:37.43 | bigdog_ut | i wanted to go...but then my wife had a party to go too |
| 06:37.49 | bigdog_ut | when you heading up this way again? |
| 06:38.23 | wps | thanksgiving |
| 06:38.34 | bigdog_ut | you should come and pick up those books |
| 06:38.39 | wps | yes, I will |
| 06:38.44 | wps | you like Bob's latest? |
| 06:38.44 | wps | ha ha |
| 06:38.53 | bigdog_ut | yeah...im not sure what to think |
| 06:38.54 | wps | I keep CC-ing you, so you know what's up |
| 06:39.01 | wps | he's crazy |
| 06:39.09 | bigdog_ut | yeah i got one just like it today too |
| 06:39.19 | bigdog_ut | like word for word |
| 06:39.30 | bigdog_ut | oh the subject was: Ray |
| 06:39.32 | bigdog_ut | not Wade |
| 06:39.34 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 07:01.34 | wps | nope |
| 07:01.44 | wps | composing an email to the list about the archives |
| 07:02.22 | bigdog_ut | that must be a long email |
| 07:13.36 | wps | bigdog_ut, I need to search for a string within files |
| 07:13.37 | wps | find . -name | xargs grep -i 'value' |
| 07:13.45 | wps | said that it was missing an argument |
| 07:13.51 | wps | what am I doing wrong? |
| 07:14.46 | tierra | missing a pattern to search for files with find |
| 07:15.02 | tierra | find . -name *myfiles* |
| 07:15.29 | wps | isn't that what 'value' is? |
| 07:15.41 | tierra | that's for grep |
| 07:15.50 | tierra | -name requires a pattern |
| 07:16.08 | wps | so, say I am looking for "truck" |
| 07:16.09 | wps | would it be |
| 07:16.24 | wps | find . -name truck | xargs grep -i 'truck' |
| 07:16.26 | wps | ? |
| 07:16.48 | tierra | are you just using find to list all the files in the directory? |
| 07:17.01 | tierra | if so, take out -name altogether |
| 07:17.24 | wps | I need to search the entire HD for any files containing the string "truck" |
| 07:17.53 | tierra | on that note, find . -exec grep -i 'value' {} \; works a bit better (at least on my version of find and xargs) |
| 07:18.25 | tierra | yeah then you want "find . -exec grep -i 'value' {} \;" |
| 07:18.37 | wps | replacing 'value' with 'truck' ? |
| 07:18.41 | tierra | yeah |
| 07:18.43 | tierra | sorry |
| 07:19.33 | wps | wow, that returned a lot of stuff :) |
| 07:19.37 | tierra | hehe |
| 07:20.07 | wps | thanks, tierra |
| 07:20.46 | wps | I have the archives all cleaned and running now, but am baffled at where the update-archives script gets called |
| 07:21.13 | wps | I know it's getting called because the archive are being updated (the messages I just sent to the list are already in the archives), but I can't see where cron is calling the script |
| 07:21.15 | tierra | the reason for using exec btw instead of xargs for future reference is because (depending on your version of xargs) xargs screws up when find passes it a file with a space in the name... ie: 'My file.txt' |
| 07:21.29 | wps | ah |
| 07:22.21 | tierra | upgraded mailman? |
| 07:22.37 | tierra | maybe they have a script now that you can use through procmail or something |
| 07:22.53 | wps | no, just fixed the archives |
| 07:22.57 | tierra | so hmm |
| 07:23.27 | tierra | what was up with it all this time? |
| 07:23.48 | wps | our attempt to fix them last time was wrong and the script was not cleaning up after itself, so we ended up with 130 GBs of duplicates, which brought the server to it's kneeds |
| 07:24.07 | wps | s/kneeds/knees |
| 07:24.17 | tierra | how much space are the archives taking up now? |
| 07:24.24 | wps | 42 M :) |
| 07:24.27 | tierra | haha |
| 07:24.39 | wps | yeah, the HD was 96% full |
| 07:24.43 | wps | now it is 6% |
| 07:25.12 | wps | it took me a week to purge all the files because it took several hours to delete each directory (full of millions of tiny duplicate files) |
| 07:25.26 | wps | 4,000+ of each file |
| 07:25.27 | tierra | that was getting on my nerves for the longest time even though it's not my system... I couldn't get it through my head how it was using so much |
| 07:25.31 | wps | been quite an adventure |
| 07:25.44 | wps | for sure! I was so confused |
| 07:25.47 | wps | none of it made sense |
| 07:25.59 | wps | and it all came down to one missing flag |
| 07:26.03 | wps | --whipe |
| 07:26.07 | tierra | heh |
| 07:26.24 | wps | I' |
| 07:26.41 | wps | I'm still so curious about how the archiver script is getting called right now though |
| 07:26.57 | wps | there is a script in /etc/cron.d/ |
| 07:27.07 | tierra | is the server running postfix? |
| 07:27.26 | tierra | best way to find out is follow it through... heh |
| 07:27.33 | wps | that has several calls to various mailman scripts, but archive isn't among them |
| 07:28.08 | wps | postfix… uh… trying to remember |
| 07:28.38 | wps | is postfix an IMAP agent? or like Sendmail? |
| 07:28.51 | tierra | MTA like sendmail |
| 07:29.15 | wps | k, that's what was thinking |
| 07:29.27 | wps | sorry, that probably sounds retarded to not know what's running on my system |
| 07:29.39 | tierra | just a little ;) |
| 07:29.45 | wps | it's just that I have had several boxes with several difference configurations and have a hard time remember which is on there now |
| 07:29.55 | wps | right now I am running sendmail |
| 07:30.11 | tierra | I know what I'm running, not to say I know how it all works though... |
| 07:34.16 | wps | have a good night |
| 07:35.35 | tierra | night |
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| 15:30.58 | wps | mindjuju, can you email me a paragraph describing what you will present on so that I can add it to the calendar? |
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| 16:04.21 | Utah_Dave | so how was the meeting last night? |
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| 16:14.06 | wps | from macnewbold: |
| 16:14.09 | wps | "I was pretty happy with the outcome. We had some new people there too. Mike our host was there, then there was me, fungus, Don Boling (one of our BSD friends), Eric Goebel, Cabot Nelson, Richard Miller, Victor Villa, and three other gentlemen, a couple of whom I recognized, but at least one who was new. One was Juan Blanco, and I don't remember the other two names. So I guess there were about 11-12 of us, unless I'm missing someone. We had some good questions and |
| 16:15.06 | wps | ~uphpu-events |
| 16:15.32 | Utah_Dave | that's cool. I really wanted to come, but when I woke up that morning I realized that it was my 5th wedding anniversary. I think my wife would have killed me if I had gone! |
| 16:16.09 | wps | for sure |
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| 16:57.49 | Utah_Dave | does macnewbold have any slides or notes from the presentation? |
| 17:03.26 | wps | yes, he is cleaning them up and then they will be on the site |
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| 17:04.22 | wps | by-the-way, if anyone needs to know anything about mailman… I am an expert now :) |
| 17:08.40 | Utah_Dave | cool |
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| 17:31.30 | synic | ok... whenever you find yourself making images with libgd in php (or any language), be sure you're not trying to create an image that's 8 billion pixels wide. |
| 17:31.30 | synic | it will effectively lock your machine up. |
| 17:33.28 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 17:35.58 | RyanE | depends on what the height is, no? :) If the height is 0, you *might* still be OK. |
| 17:36.39 | RyanE | 8 billion pixels wide... Sign me up for a display that can natively display that image. |
| 17:39.02 | tierra | heh, I was playing in GIMP once... had a 800x800 image and decided I wanted an effect in the sense of running it through a noise filter, than scaling it by a factor making each pixel about 20x20 big... well, 800x800 scaled 2,000% is not good on you're box unless it's really pimped out |
| 17:39.21 | tierra | my box was handling it though... slow, but it was managing |
| 17:40.30 | synic | the height was also 8 billion. |
| 17:40.38 | tierra | heh |
| 17:41.26 | synic | so yeah... I locked my machine up about 5 times before I tracked that one down. |
| 17:53.58 | macnewbold | so how did it happen in the first place, synic? |
| 17:55.10 | synic | I'm reading in some template xml file for an app we use called "persona", and it uses a weird measurement for images |
| 17:55.28 | synic | I made a function to convert it... and it was working, but some new code I added forgot to use it :o |
| 18:04.21 | synic | so... in short, I'm an idiot. |
| 18:06.22 | optikal | yup. |
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| 19:50.05 | bradym | i'm getting started on a project that I plan to release as open source, and host on sourceforge.. but before I do I have to select a license.. if I use something that's under GPL in my project without modifying it, do I have to release the project under GPL? anyone know? |
| 19:57.21 | ssdd | I think that is the way it is applied |
| 19:57.39 | ssdd | the php license is better in that regard |
| 19:57.49 | macnewbold | bradym: it depends whether it's GPL or LGPL, and how you're using it |
| 19:58.38 | macnewbold | GPL says if you make it a "part" of your "program" (generally defined in terms of "linking", which doesn't apply to PHP very well), then your program must be GPL'd also, |
| 19:58.50 | macnewbold | but if you interact with the GPL program from your own separate program, |
| 19:58.56 | macnewbold | then you're not linking to it |
| 19:59.15 | macnewbold | the other thing that may apply is that |
| 19:59.29 | macnewbold | the condition in the GPL about making your own source available only applies if you redistribute the code |
| 19:59.55 | macnewbold | as long as you don't redistribute your program, you don't have to release source, whether you've modified it or not |
| 20:00.28 | macnewbold | this works great in favor of php developers: you can run a site, a public site even, letting many people use the program, without ever distributing it |
| 20:00.42 | bradym | ok.. so an example here.. i use the adodb php database class for all of by db stuff that I do, so naturally i want to use it in this project, but i'm not planning to change it at all.. just use it.. based on what you've said that wouldn't force me into using the LGPL (which adodb is double licensed under) |
| 20:00.45 | macnewbold | as long as it never is transferred to anyone else, it's okay |
| 20:00.56 | macnewbold | if adodb is under the LGPL, |
| 20:01.05 | macnewbold | you can use it without needing to release your source |
| 20:01.10 | macnewbold | even if you redistribute |
| 20:01.40 | macnewbold | the only thing that LGPL requires is that if you redistribute a modified version of the adodb stuff you'd have to release the source to the adodb changes |
| 20:01.45 | macnewbold | but not to your app |
| 20:01.57 | macnewbold | so bradym, you're fine to use it |
| 20:02.13 | bradym | cool... thanks :) |
| 20:02.15 | ssdd | but can you use LGPL code and then license your project with a different license? |
| 20:03.44 | bradym | in doing my own research on the subject i haven't seen anything that says you can't... which is why i asked here... i knew someone would know more about the LGPL than I do... |
| 20:07.18 | ssdd | bradym, is your project something fun? |
| 20:07.41 | bradym | um... depends on your definition of fun :) |
| 20:08.14 | bradym | at work I've been doing a lot of online conference registration systems... so I want to develop something to make it easier to put them together |
| 20:08.24 | ssdd | cool |
| 20:08.38 | bradym | my current notes/ideas - http://utah4h.org/~bradym/olr/ |
| 20:08.42 | macnewbold | hey everyone, slides from last night are up: |
| 20:08.45 | macnewbold | http://www.macnewbold.com/uphpu/uphpu-arrays.html |
| 20:08.45 | macnewbold | http://www.macnewbold.com/uphpu/uphpu-arrays.ppt |
| 20:08.45 | macnewbold | http://www.macnewbold.com/uphpu/uphpu-arrays.rtf |
| 20:08.45 | macnewbold | http://www.macnewbold.com/uphpu/uphpu-arrays.txt |
| 20:10.08 | bradym | cool - thanks mac.. wish i could have been there last nite.. |
| 20:17.27 | wps | on the site: http://uphpu.org/article.php?story=20051114132753314 |
| 20:18.19 | ssdd | bradym, looks like it could be an interesting project |
| 20:21.48 | bradym | yeah, it should be. Since I've already done 3 online registration systems for work and have at least 3 more coming up, i figure it's time i build something like this... |
| 20:22.31 | ssdd | bradym, could it be build on phlyte? |
| 20:23.29 | ssdd | maybe a better question for the phlyte crew |
| 20:23.39 | bradym | only problem with doing that is that i plan to start this over the next couple weeks and there's nothing to work with from phlyte at the moment |
| 20:23.56 | ssdd | oh |
| 20:24.46 | bradym | i'll probably be using a framework that a buddy of mine has developed.. i've already talked to him about helping me on this project and he mentioned that he'd be willing to let me use his framework... |
| 20:25.08 | ssdd | cool |
| 20:25.17 | ssdd | php4 or 5? |
| 20:25.21 | bradym | which would be nice cause then i can pick up the phone and call him when i can't figure out what's going on... instead of give up like I have with other php frameworks that i've seen |
| 20:25.52 | ssdd | is his framework OSS? |
| 20:26.47 | bradym | haven't done anything in php5 yet, maybe i'll make this my first venture into that area... |
| 20:27.42 | bradym | i don't believe he's released his framework yet.. |
| 20:27.56 | bradym | but he's using it on several projects of his own |
| 20:28.02 | ssdd | cool |
| 20:28.43 | ssdd | I like to download frameworks and steal good ideas |
| 20:29.35 | bradym | yeah |
| 20:29.53 | bradym | i like to steal ideas myself :) |
| 20:30.57 | ssdd | I have been using some ideas recently from Alan Knowles flexy framework |
| 20:30.58 | ssdd | http://www.akbkhome.com/wiki.php/Projects_PHP_Framework/index |
| 20:32.03 | ssdd | Alan does some good stuff |
| 20:33.22 | bradym | cool.. i'll have to take a look at it |
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