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| 00:31.15 | macnewbold | Everyone go to the meeting now! :) |
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| 14:30.12 | mindjuju | macnewbold, you around? |
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| 15:44.24 | diskotec|w | do you have to take what Marc Andreessen says with a grain of salt or does he know what he's talking about? |
| 15:48.03 | wps | marc who? |
| 15:49.54 | diskotec|w | I don't know him...I've seen his name in various articles though. |
| 15:51.16 | diskotec|w | this is the one I'm reading now.... http://zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Andreessen_PHP_succeeding_where_Java_isn_t/0,2000061733,39218171,00.htm |
| 16:04.32 | jsmith | Ah... nothing like kicking someone else off your nick first thing in the morning. |
| 16:04.48 | wps | :) |
| 16:08.53 | jsmith | This ought to be a fun friday project... |
| 16:18.04 | macnewbold | mindjuju: I just saw your msg - I'm here |
| 16:21.55 | macnewbold | in a way, phlyte will be a form of aspect-oriented programming |
| 16:22.07 | macnewbold | each of the different parts or modules that we can turn on or off will be like an aspect |
| 16:25.57 | jsmith | Will be an aspect, or will be *like* an aspect -- there's a big difference there, from what I'm reading. |
| 16:31.11 | macnewbold | depends on what they say the difference is... |
| 16:32.00 | macnewbold | from what I've learned about aspects, it's simply a feature that can be turned on and off, but especially one that pervasively affects many modules. like an "enhanced security" aspect that you can enable or disable or something like that. |
| 16:32.24 | macnewbold | are you reading the zdnet article mentioned above, or something else? |
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| 16:39.01 | jsmith | macnewbold: Something else |
| 16:39.16 | macnewbold | oh |
| 16:39.18 | jsmith | macnewbold: I still have a lot to learn about aspect-oriented programming. |
| 16:39.37 | macnewbold | I've only dabbled with it a little because I guy I used to work with was an expert |
| 16:42.45 | macnewbold | stderr: are you around? I want to set up a time to pick up that box from you |
| 16:42.55 | macnewbold | even if you just take it to work with you one day and let me come get it, that would be great |
| 16:43.23 | macnewbold | a lot of people are chomping at the bit to keep moving with phlyte, and the server's the only thing holding it up at this point. |
| 16:43.58 | macnewbold | if it's easier on you, we've had other volunteers who would be willing to host the wiki/flyspray/svn on their own server |
| 16:46.39 | macnewbold | we know you're really busy, stderr, so I don't want to add any unnecessary stress |
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| 17:44.05 | fungus | Thank you wps for mentioning Roundcube on UPHPU. It is really cool. soo much easier than horde. |
| 17:44.31 | wps | sure |
| 17:44.53 | macnewbold | how long ago was that? I can't find it |
| 17:45.03 | macnewbold | i take it roundcube is a webmail app or something? |
| 17:45.20 | fungus | http://uphpu.org/article.php?story=20051013104117958 |
| 17:45.34 | fungus | third one down, titled Open source AJAX web email client |
| 17:45.55 | wps | I've been waiting all week for the slashdotters to loose interest so that I can view the demo |
| 17:46.13 | fungus | I just installed it myself to try it. |
| 17:46.19 | fungus | You can try it on my box. |
| 17:46.23 | fungus | http://kittypee.com/mail/ |
| 17:47.59 | jsmith | Username? |
| 17:48.01 | jsmith | Password? |
| 17:48.17 | macnewbold | Social Security Number? |
| 17:48.19 | fungus | Use your own, for your own account |
| 17:48.21 | macnewbold | Bank Accounts? |
| 17:48.27 | macnewbold | PIN Numbers? |
| 17:48.49 | jsmith | I mean, you don't really expect me to type *MY* username and password and server address over a unencrypted web site, and not knowing what you might do with the info |
| 17:48.49 | macnewbold | how do we know you won't trojan our username/password? |
| 17:48.53 | jsmith | Exactly. |
| 17:49.05 | fungus | or you can play with, User: test@kittypee.com Pass: test Server: kittypee.com |
| 17:49.19 | fungus | lol. :) |
| 17:51.47 | wps | and yes, fungus, I agree |
| 17:51.56 | wps | it's about time people started putting a little work into the UI |
| 17:52.06 | wps | squirrelmail and horde are awful |
| 17:52.12 | jsmith | I like the UI :-) |
| 17:52.17 | jsmith | But how's the functionality? |
| 17:52.23 | jsmith | Does it thread messsages? |
| 17:52.26 | fungus | horde has a ton of features, but is a PITA to setup. |
| 17:52.32 | fungus | No threading |
| 17:52.33 | jsmith | Does it auto-filter incoming messages, based on content? |
| 17:53.00 | jsmith | If I take 20 minutes to type a message does the authentication time out? |
| 17:53.38 | wps | not sure, but it was just barely released |
| 17:53.41 | fungus | you can configure the session lifetime. but yeah, it could barf on you |
| 17:53.44 | wps | it's v.1 alpha |
| 17:53.52 | fungus | I have only played with it for about 15min |
| 17:54.15 | fungus | I don't think there are any filters yet. |
| 17:54.51 | macnewbold | wow, pretty cool |
| 17:54.56 | macnewbold | but you have to double click |
| 17:55.01 | fungus | it's still got a few bugs, but I see great possibilities. |
| 17:56.10 | fungus | And it can even support an sqlite backend for small installations. |
| 17:56.57 | macnewbold | um, fungus? |
| 17:57.02 | macnewbold | where did you come up with your domain name? |
| 17:57.10 | macnewbold | (my coworkers can't stop laughing) |
| 17:57.22 | fungus | lol. |
| 17:57.44 | macnewbold | ever since I gave them the link, about every couple of minutes one mutters "kittypee" and starts laughing |
| 17:57.57 | macnewbold | I thought you had dogs? |
| 17:58.06 | fungus | I had a friend that always said "you smell like kittypee" when she was unhappy with me. |
| 17:58.23 | fungus | I do, two big dogs. |
| 17:58.27 | macnewbold | oh, okay |
| 17:59.02 | fungus | http://kittypee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=803 |
| 17:59.12 | macnewbold | fungus: interested in another dog? (you don't have any chickens, right?) |
| 17:59.18 | fungus | http://kittypee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=526 |
| 17:59.27 | macnewbold | having the dog and the chickens just hasn't ended up being a great combo |
| 17:59.51 | fungus | no way, two dogs is *plenty* |
| 18:00.18 | macnewbold | so the one's name is grep... what's the other? |
| 18:00.38 | fungus | Koda. we didn't get to name him. :( |
| 18:01.13 | fungus | we just recently got him |
| 18:03.40 | jsmith | fungus: Warning: rmdir(temp/54748066343592cfe98b80): Directory not empty in /home/f/fungus/public_html/mail/program/steps/mail/func.inc on line 1219 |
| 18:05.37 | fungus | looks like you found a bug. |
| 18:05.56 | fungus | there is an empty file in that dir. |
| 18:06.38 | macnewbold | fungus! That ASCIIMoviePlayer from Apple is _so_sweet_! |
| 18:06.42 | macnewbold | it _rocks_ |
| 18:06.53 | fungus | yeah, totally. |
| 18:06.55 | macnewbold | go watch some of the videos from www.gymjones.com with it! |
| 18:06.59 | macnewbold | it is _totally_sweet_ |
| 18:11.29 | fungus | uh, watching people in the gym? I don't get it. |
| 18:17.07 | jsmith | fungus: Yeah -- I tried to upload an attachment :-) |
| 18:22.09 | fungus | doh. I tried and failed too. |
| 18:27.39 | jsmith | Woo hoo! I'm not alone! |
| 19:01.19 | fungus | anyone know any tricks for debugging memory usage? |
| 19:13.39 | macnewbold | the debug_backtrace func may have some useful info |
| 19:13.45 | macnewbold | or phpinfo should have something about memory usage, I'd hope |
| 19:16.48 | fungus | darn, debug_backtrace doesn't have any memory usage info. |
| 19:19.02 | macnewbold | hm |
| 19:19.05 | fungus | aha! memory_get_usage |
| 19:19.16 | macnewbold | sweet! |
| 19:19.20 | macnewbold | go figure... |
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| 19:26.19 | stderr- | does anyone here know alot about Photoshop and/or image formats? |
| 19:30.35 | mindjuju | wps does, i know a little bit |
| 19:30.39 | mindjuju | what up? |
| 19:30.48 | wps | about the actual file format? |
| 19:31.46 | stderr- | I need to know how to save a tiled tiff image as a scanline tiff image or vice versa in Photoshop |
| 19:32.17 | wps | scanline? |
| 19:32.36 | macnewbold | tiled or scanline? huh? |
| 19:32.51 | macnewbold | you mean raster/vector vs bitmap? or is it something else? |
| 19:33.09 | macnewbold | (btw, stderr- did you get my email or see my earlier comments re: phlyte?) |
| 19:33.22 | wps | are you referring to the byte order? the pixel order (interleaved or per channel)? |
| 19:33.52 | stderr- | TIFF is unique in the ability that it can decompose an image by tiles rather than scanlines |
| 19:34.02 | stderr- | it's much more efficient |
| 19:34.12 | stderr- | macnewbold: didn't get an email negative |
| 19:34.16 | stderr- | nor earlier comments |
| 19:34.21 | macnewbold | it went to your gmail acct |
| 19:34.28 | stderr- | haven't been around much, I was in an accident |
| 19:34.28 | macnewbold | I can send to your work address too if you want |
| 19:34.31 | macnewbold | ouch |
| 19:34.33 | macnewbold | no wonder |
| 19:34.35 | stderr- | yeah work address please |
| 19:34.35 | macnewbold | car accident? |
| 19:34.41 | stderr- | something like that |
| 19:34.45 | macnewbold | ouhc |
| 19:34.49 | macnewbold | you doing okay? |
| 19:34.52 | stderr- | yeah |
| 19:34.53 | macnewbold | or still in a body cast? |
| 19:34.55 | stderr- | hehe |
| 19:34.59 | stderr- | I wasn't hurt very bad |
| 19:35.03 | stderr- | I just got ran over |
| 19:35.10 | stderr- | :D |
| 19:35.25 | stderr- | well not RAN over |
| 19:35.31 | stderr- | but bounced off a windshield |
| 19:36.01 | mindjuju | Nice! did it shatter? |
| 19:36.01 | stderr- | it busted |
| 19:36.01 | stderr- | I wouldn't say 'shatter' |
| 19:36.01 | mindjuju | Rock on! |
| 19:36.02 | stderr- | safety glass etc |
| 19:36.02 | mindjuju | what were you doing? |
| 19:36.13 | stderr- | crossing the road |
| 19:36.22 | mindjuju | well, get your tiff thing handled first, i'll bug ya about it laterz |
| 19:36.26 | stderr- | yea |
| 19:36.29 | mindjuju | s/tiff/tif |
| 19:36.31 | stderr- | anyone know about this? |
| 19:36.42 | stderr- | *TIFF |
| 19:36.46 | stderr- | tagged image file format |
| 19:40.15 | macnewbold | chances are good that photoshop or the gimp can do your tiff thing |
| 19:40.20 | macnewbold | but I couldn't tell you how |
| 19:40.21 | stderr- | well yeah |
| 19:40.25 | stderr- | that's what I need to know |
| 19:40.27 | stderr- | :D |
| 19:41.17 | wps | sorry I am of no help, stderr |
| 19:41.32 | macnewbold | it's okay wps, we're used to that |
| 19:41.35 | macnewbold | ;) |
| 19:41.36 | macnewbold | :-p |
| 19:41.40 | macnewbold | j/k |
| 19:42.01 | macnewbold | are you sure you don't have a CSS question too? wps is great with those |
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| 19:42.16 | macnewbold | ~welcome bradym |
| 19:42.18 | jbot | bradym, Sup yo? |
| 19:42.23 | wps | ouch |
| 19:42.37 | bradym | lol, now that is a welcome ;) |
| 19:43.57 | stderr- | wps: np |
| 19:44.08 | macnewbold | ~welcome stderr- |
| 19:44.10 | jbot | [all in unison] Hi, stderr-! |
| 19:56.11 | stderr- | I really love working here |
| 19:56.20 | stderr- | I've learned so much about GIS |
| 20:00.10 | stderr- | by the way, the Robin's Nest is amazing. |
| 20:12.31 | wps | mac's famouse: All samples are "in-stock" and for a nominal charge any of them can be purchased from the full selection of the varia system. |
| 20:12.34 | wps | oops |
| 20:12.43 | wps | cut-n-paste accident |
| 20:12.51 | wps | mac's famous: http://www.phpdeveloper.org/news/4124 |
| 20:56.16 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 20:56.23 | macnewbold | cut-and-paste accident is right |
| 20:57.44 | wps | I love how phpdeveloper has been giving us such good press |
| 20:57.56 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 20:58.14 | macnewbold | I think the guy just subscribes to a bunch of RSS feeds, and reposts them on his site... |
| 20:58.19 | wps | yeah |