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| 03:12.15 | stderr | my new box will kick your guys' boxes butts! |
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| 07:13.46 | *** topic/#uphpu is Meeting Thursday, 7pm: AJAX | Utah PHP Users Group | http://www.uphpu.org |
| 13:29.27 | mindjuju | what up with your new box stderr? |
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| 14:49.30 | macnewbold | cat /dev/random > stderr |
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| 15:20.17 | macnewbold | ~welcome LightGuard |
| 15:20.19 | jbot | Good to see you, LightGuard! |
| 15:20.24 | macnewbold | ~invite LightGuard to Thursday's meeting |
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| 15:32.51 | LightGuard | I did tell some other people here at school about it though. |
| 15:40.41 | macnewbold | if you're going to be working on an open-source PHP project, the meetings will be quite helpful. This one's about AJAX, which is all the buzz lately. Flyspray will be using some of it soon, too. |
| 15:41.31 | LightGuard | Cool. I need to look into AJAX, I've done DHTML, so they're similar, but I need to dive in and find some time :( |
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| 16:16.22 | Utah_Dave | I wish I could be there too. But my wife and I are taking foster parenting certification classes every Tuesday and Thursday of this month |
| 17:06.29 | wps | 20 new members since last meeting |
| 17:30.12 | macnewbold | anyone know anything about the mail list? The last message I have seen from it was sent Oct 10, by me, but didn't arrive until Oct 13! |
| 17:30.19 | macnewbold | wps? is anything up with the list server? |
| 17:30.40 | wps | hmm |
| 17:30.41 | wps | not sure |
| 17:30.43 | wps | let me check |
| 17:37.57 | mindjuju | What the ... ! |
| 17:37.58 | mindjuju | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/09/we-get-letters-2.html |
| 17:38.08 | mindjuju | i wonder if that is true? |
| 17:40.43 | wps | macnewbold, I sent an email to uphpu and uphpu-announce |
| 17:40.49 | wps | the one to uphpu-announce just arrived |
| 17:46.28 | macnewbold | yeah, i got it too |
| 17:48.51 | wps | anything from uphpu? |
| 17:48.59 | wps | I haven't received the uphpu one |
| 17:49.08 | wps | I'll check the logs |
| 17:49.19 | macnewbold | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/10/we-get-letters-3.html |
| 17:49.31 | macnewbold | I haven't received it yet either |
| 17:51.07 | macnewbold | mmm lunch |
| 18:01.34 | mindjuju | ~stderr |
| 18:01.36 | jbot | stderr is probably program 1>stdout.log 2>stderr.log, or dataw0lf |
| 19:39.44 | wps | hmm… mail server no happy |
| 19:41.55 | wps | Oct 18 13:34:58 pedro sendmail[22728]: j9I5L9we005904: to=<root@pedro.uphpu.org>, delay=13:14:35, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=4679736, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: local mailer (/usr/bin/procmail) exited with EX_TEMPFAIL |
| 19:42.00 | wps | Oct 18 13:34:59 pedro sendmail[22728]: j9HJL9P1009607: to=root, delay=22:04:24, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=4682780, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: local mailer (/usr/bin/procmail) exited with EX_TEMPFAIL |
| 19:42.05 | wps | mean anything to anyone? |
| 19:42.44 | jsmith | Sounds like procmail is exiting with an error :-) |
| 19:48.11 | macnewbold | wps: something's trying to run your procmail, but it isn't there or isn't doing the right thing... does your procmail log anywhere? |
| 19:51.21 | wps | macnewbold, I'm not sure |
| 19:51.40 | wps | where is the usual place for procmail to log to? |
| 19:52.00 | macnewbold | in /var/log/procmail.log, if I had to guess... |
| 19:52.02 | macnewbold | not sure though |
| 19:52.14 | macnewbold | is procmail called because of mailman, or some other reason? |
| 19:52.28 | wps | I don't know |
| 19:52.28 | macnewbold | you might check ~root/.forward |
| 19:52.33 | macnewbold | to see if procmail's listed in there |
| 19:52.36 | wps | k |
| 19:52.56 | wps | no log for procmail in /var/log |
| 19:53.17 | macnewbold | hm |
| 19:53.25 | macnewbold | maybe try asking some of the guys in #utah |
| 19:53.42 | macnewbold | I don't use MailMan, except as a user, so I don't know how this ties in |
| 19:53.52 | wps | ~root/.forward doesn't exist |
| 19:53.56 | wps | k |
| 19:53.58 | macnewbold | well, that's two down |
| 19:53.59 | macnewbold | hm |
| 19:54.15 | wps | interesting thing is that uphpu-announce works |
| 19:57.54 | wps | uphpu-jobs-announce is also still working |
| 20:15.05 | wps | interesting… looks like it is a mailman issue—I cannot log into the mailman web admin panel for uphpu, although I can for the other three lists on the server |
| 20:50.35 | wps | so… I stopped Mailman and the errors kept coming |
| 20:50.41 | wps | so… I stopped sendmail and the errors stop |
| 20:50.47 | wps | so, it's sendmails problem |
| 20:51.16 | wps | interesting thing is that once I stopped it, the mail that was backed up in the queue seems to be going out now |
| 20:52.05 | wps | I am pretty sure that that works because Mailman uses it's own send engine |
| 20:52.05 | macnewbold | weird |
| 21:04.49 | wps | macnewbold, you get the messages that just went out? |
| 21:05.52 | wps | or anyone? any messages from the main list? |
| 21:05.53 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 21:05.54 | macnewbold | finally |
| 21:06.00 | wps | weird |
| 21:06.35 | wps | I restarted sendmail twice… it started out with teh same errors then just stopped |
| 21:06.43 | wps | I didn't even do anything |
| 21:06.55 | wps | I was just watching the log and the errors just stopped |
| 21:07.01 | wps | and then the mail arrived |
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| 21:54.35 | wps | dang… the errors are back |
| 21:54.45 | macnewbold | :( |
| 21:55.04 | wps | it's slowing the server down too |
| 21:55.37 | wps | are you sure there is a procmail log? |
| 21:57.08 | macnewbold | no |
| 21:57.10 | macnewbold | not at all |
| 21:59.15 | macnewbold | but we can't even figure out why your procmail is getting called in the first place |
| 21:59.25 | macnewbold | somewhere there's a procmailrc or .procmailrc file that should be controlling it |
| 21:59.38 | macnewbold | ask a mailman guru in #utah why it's doing that |
| 22:00.25 | wps | it's too bad no one in #mailman is interested in talking |
| 22:00.52 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 22:00.54 | macnewbold | that's a shame |
| 22:01.03 | macnewbold | maybe they really are postal carriers |
| 22:01.10 | wps | :) |
| 22:15.28 | beandog | whats wrong with mailman? |
| 22:34.12 | wps | alright |
| 22:34.31 | wps | it appears that the problem was that the root mail file was full and so it could no longer write to it |
| 22:37.58 | wps | alright, so how does one manage their root mail? |
| 22:38.37 | wps | I am getting so many messages that by the time I have deleted the hundred or so in there and then q the mail client, it tells me that I already have more mail (another hundred) |
| 22:40.46 | wps | I am supposed to be getting that much mail to root? |
| 22:41.04 | wps | it's a steady flow of almost one per second |
| 22:42.49 | fungus | in you mail aliases file add an entry like this: |
| 22:43.00 | fungus | root: me@domain.com |
| 22:43.41 | fungus | then run newaliases to update it. |
| 22:44.06 | wps | should "me@domain.com" be a real address that I want to receive mail at or just something bogus? |
| 22:44.21 | fungus | But if you get that much mail, there is usually a problem. Read the messages to find the problem. |
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| 22:49.48 | fungus | It should be something real, cause sometimes important mail goes there. |
| 22:50.02 | wps | k |
| 22:50.44 | fungus | important like mail to postmaster, abuse, cron job output, etc |
| 22:51.16 | mindjuju | yo stderr |
| 22:54.26 | wps | thank you, fungus |
| 22:54.31 | wps | I redirected the mail to another account |
| 22:54.47 | wps | I will see if I can determine what is sending out so much mail as soon as I receive the first message |
| 22:54.53 | wps | which should be very, very soon ;) |
| 22:56.08 | wps | they are mostly all from the mailer daemon |
| 22:56.21 | wps | Subject: Postmaster notify: see transcript for details |
| 22:57.23 | wps | oh, looks like it's trying to send mail that it has backed up in the queue |
| 22:57.26 | RyanE | @wps: probably telling you that it's out of disk space. |
| 22:57.26 | wps | how ironic |
| 22:57.29 | RyanE | :) |
| 22:57.47 | wps | sending messages to the full account letting it know it's full :( |
| 22:57.49 | wps | sheesh |
| 23:01.31 | stderr | mindjuju: sir |
| 23:05.56 | mindjuju | sent PM |
| 23:16.43 | wps | thanks for everyone's help |
| 23:16.48 | wps | I think I have a handle on this now |
| 23:19.04 | macnewbold | cool, so it was disk space |
| 23:19.04 | wps | yup |
| 23:19.05 | wps | and then a major back-log problem caused by that |
| 23:19.08 | wps | the queue is still draining |
| 23:19.27 | macnewbold | fun |
| 23:19.34 | wps | ` /dev/null is getting a mouthfull |
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| 23:40.15 | wps | oh… can it be??? |
| 23:40.18 | wps | is it done??? |
| 23:44.08 | wps | nope :( |
| 23:44.12 | wps | false alarm |