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| 02:37.57 | diskotec|w | mindjuju: it's about time... http://www.playbill.com/news/article/94526.html heh...ok...just kiddin. |
| 02:43.17 | diskotec|w | dataw0lf: now that breezy badger is out, how would you do the upgrade? I remember it being something like dist-upgrade |
| 04:53.47 | bigdog_ut | evenin all |
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| 14:09.56 | stderr | 'Rock this Way' ? |
| 14:11.29 | mindjuju | 1. i got here early (5:30a) 2. had like 4 hrs sleep 3. its a Friday |
| 14:11.37 | mindjuju | s/rock/walk |
| 14:11.52 | stderr | gotcha |
| 14:12.18 | stderr | 4. you're mindjuju |
| 14:12.23 | stderr | :D |
| 14:12.40 | wps | ~stderr |
| 14:12.41 | jbot | stderr is, like, program 1>stdout.log 2>stderr.log |
| 14:14.23 | stderr | ~dataw0lf |
| 14:14.24 | jbot | well, dataw0lf is sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf" |
| 14:14.35 | stderr | ~dataw0lf is stderr |
| 14:14.38 | jbot | ...but dataw0lf is already something else... |
| 14:14.42 | stderr | ~stderr is dataw0lf |
| 14:14.43 | jbot | ...but stderr is already something else... |
| 14:14.49 | stderr | stderr is also dataw0lf |
| 14:14.57 | stderr | dataw0lf is also stderr |
| 14:15.01 | stderr | ~dataw0lf is also stderr |
| 14:15.03 | jbot | stderr: okay |
| 14:15.10 | stderr | ~stderr is also dataw0lf |
| 14:15.11 | jbot | okay, stderr |
| 14:15.16 | stderr | ~dataw0lf |
| 14:15.18 | jbot | dataw0lf is probably sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf", or stderr |
| 14:15.29 | mindjuju | wait, wait, stderr = dw? |
| 14:15.36 | stderr | Yes. |
| 14:16.03 | stderr | ~dwhit mindjuju |
| 14:16.05 | jbot | ACTION and stderr demonstrates the Iron Two Killers Hand on mindjuju's forehead |
| 14:16.11 | stderr | ~dhit mindjuju |
| 14:16.12 | jbot | ACTION performs Dog Collar of the Heavens on mindjuju |
| 14:16.30 | stderr | I'm a genius. |
| 14:16.35 | stderr | That's all the evidence you need. |
| 14:16.44 | stderr | or you can /whois me |
| 14:16.47 | stderr | foo |
| 14:22.27 | mindjuju | hey dw, you mentioned an IRC channel that had good security stuff, which one was it? |
| 14:22.53 | stderr | hm readyresponse is ok, but all good channels on that network are private. |
| 14:28.30 | stderr | http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/MiniAxon/ |
| 14:37.16 | mindjuju | i'm going on a bagel run, brb |
| 15:11.02 | macnewbold | morning stderr |
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| 16:48.40 | macnewbold | did everyone see the slashdot story about the AJAX worm on myspace.com? |
| 16:48.51 | macnewbold | a very good read, and entertaining too |
| 16:53.18 | fungus | story originated on myspace.com? or worm came from myspace? |
| 16:54.54 | macnewbold | guy posts contorted javascript ajax code on his myspace profile, that gets past their filters cause it's not legal javascript, but IE executes it anyway |
| 16:55.09 | macnewbold | some innocent myspace user views his profile, |
| 16:55.27 | macnewbold | IE (on mac or windows, or older safari versions) runs the code |
| 16:55.59 | macnewbold | which adds him to their buddy list, adds "but most of all, samy is my hero." to the end of their profile, and inserts the code into their profile too. |
| 16:56.07 | macnewbold | and voila, self-replicating worm |
| 16:56.26 | mindjuju | v interesting |
| 16:56.26 | fungus | awesome. |
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| 17:02.18 | beandog | Ok Ive got another funky problem I cant figure out. |
| 17:02.25 | beandog | php is returning the date as one hour behind. |
| 17:04.03 | RyanE | and system date and TZ on the system is correct, I assume. |
| 17:04.21 | beandog | yah |
| 17:05.09 | beandog | Its just my box too ... hmm, anyone else running 5.1rc1 |
| 17:05.18 | beandog | 5.0.5 seems to work fine. |
| 17:05.29 | beandog | Of course, its a different linux box, too. |
| 17:05.35 | beandog | but, same tz and system time. |
| 17:06.43 | RyanE | weird |
| 17:07.30 | beandog | very |
| 17:08.42 | macnewbold | beandog: double check the date on the system... |
| 17:08.51 | beandog | Ive checked 18 times. |
| 17:08.52 | beandog | Its right. |
| 17:08.53 | macnewbold | it would be very hard for php to do that |
| 17:08.54 | macnewbold | hm |
| 17:09.02 | beandog | sdibb@flynn ~ $ date |
| 17:09.02 | beandog | Fri Oct 14 11:08:57 MDT 2005 |
| 17:09.13 | macnewbold | what about locale and any time zone settings in php/php.ini? |
| 17:09.15 | beandog | flynn ~ # hwclock |
| 17:09.15 | beandog | Fri Oct 14 11:09:11 2005 -0.339653 seconds |
| 17:09.21 | beandog | I never would have changed those, but Ill check |
| 17:10.31 | macnewbold | yeah, weird |
| 17:10.34 | beandog | Yah, i dont even see anything. |
| 17:10.41 | beandog | Dangit ,I dont have another rc1 box to test it on either.. |
| 17:11.01 | macnewbold | can you get php5.05 running on that box along side of the 5.1rc1? |
| 17:11.18 | beandog | Well our server is running almost the exact same setup using 5.0.5 |
| 17:11.19 | macnewbold | try running the 5.0.5 on the same box |
| 17:11.21 | beandog | and its reuning fine. |
| 17:11.23 | beandog | returning |
| 17:11.24 | beandog | Ok |
| 17:11.25 | beandog | brb |
| 17:11.33 | macnewbold | I'd say that 5.1rc1 isn't ready, then :-D |
| 17:11.40 | beandog | bah |
| 17:11.47 | beandog | Its got some great functions too |
| 17:11.55 | RyanE | does phpinfo give any tz info? |
| 17:12.01 | macnewbold | probably |
| 17:12.05 | macnewbold | I'm pretty sure it does |
| 17:12.13 | macnewbold | you could diff the phpinfo on both servers |
| 17:12.29 | RyanE | I'm not seeing it in MINE, but it's older. |
| 17:12.30 | beandog | Oh |
| 17:12.31 | beandog | That might be it. |
| 17:12.34 | beandog | Default timezone America/Phoenix |
| 17:12.40 | macnewbold | ah |
| 17:12.40 | macnewbold | that's whay |
| 17:12.42 | beandog | How did it get set to THAT? |
| 17:12.44 | macnewbold | daylight savings settings |
| 17:12.54 | macnewbold | someone guessed phoenix instead of denver |
| 17:13.07 | beandog | Mines set to Denver though |
| 17:13.14 | beandog | flynn php-5.0.5 # readlink /etc/localtime |
| 17:13.14 | beandog | /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Denver |
| 17:13.26 | beandog | Man, thats ... odd. |
| 17:14.09 | RyanE | does Phoenix even DO DST? |
| 17:14.14 | beandog | huh |
| 17:14.22 | beandog | that whole section doesnt even appear on 5.0.5 |
| 17:14.25 | RyanE | I think AZ doesn't do Daylight Savings Time. |
| 17:14.31 | macnewbold | exactly, RyanE - AZ doesn't, but we do |
| 17:14.34 | macnewbold | like Denver |
| 17:14.39 | macnewbold | so AZ is often 1 hr off from us |
| 17:14.41 | RyanE | yep. |
| 17:15.15 | macnewbold | looks like you found your ghost, beandog |
| 17:15.19 | RyanE | and Sao Paulo Brasil is either 3, 4, or 5 hours off from us, depending on who is currently doing DST... :) |
| 17:22.17 | macnewbold | ooh, great |
| 17:22.44 | macnewbold | yeah, the part of argentina where I lived for a while was 4-5 hrs, cause they never do dst |
| 17:40.18 | beandog | http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.date-default-timezone-set.php |
| 17:41.36 | beandog | That fixed it. |
| 17:41.47 | beandog | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.47 | beandog | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.49 | beandog | yeehaw. |
| 17:41.52 | beandog | I guess thats a PHP bug. |
| 17:41.58 | beandog | reading the wrong timezone. |
| 17:48.20 | macnewbold | maybe |
| 17:48.25 | macnewbold | where's it getting it from in the first place? |
| 17:48.28 | beandog | Ok, well adding date.timezone = "America/Denver" in php.ini fixes it. |
| 17:48.33 | macnewbold | oh, nice |
| 17:48.48 | macnewbold | it should have been in upgrade notes that you'd need to add that line |
| 17:48.53 | beandog | yah |
| 17:48.57 | macnewbold | but maybe it autodetects and guesses wrong |
| 17:48.58 | beandog | Its not even in the ini files included |
| 17:49.02 | beandog | Thas what it does, I think |
| 17:49.02 | macnewbold | which would be a bug |
| 17:49.05 | beandog | I lost the bug I was looking at.. |
| 17:49.11 | beandog | http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=34385 |
| 17:49.20 | beandog | This is caused by PHP guessing at the |
| 17:49.20 | beandog | timezone. |
| 17:54.57 | beandog | this guys a little harsh |
| 17:54.59 | beandog | http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=34292 |
| 17:55.05 | beandog | says to RTFM when I havent even seen it mentioned anywhere yet. |
| 17:55.07 | beandog | the directive. |
| 17:58.27 | beandog | ah well. |
| 17:59.09 | macnewbold | just tell him - "I've looked for an hour and can't find it in the manual... do you have a link? Or should I file a bug about missing pages in the manual?" |
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| 18:32.22 | bigdog_ut | afternoon all |
| 18:37.02 | bigdog_ut | wow it is dead in here |
| 18:37.13 | wps | good afternoon, bigdog_ut |
| 18:37.14 | bigdog_ut | man im gone for a while and it all hits the fan |
| 18:47.26 | bigdog_ut | all is well...just looking for some new contracts to pass the time |
| 18:54.20 | macnewbold | howdy, bigdog_ut - good to see you |
| 18:54.36 | wps | contracts = projects? |
| 18:55.00 | bigdog_ut | yeha |
| 18:55.21 | bigdog_ut | new projects to work on the side |
| 18:55.41 | wps | yeah, I'm ready for another myself |
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| 20:35.59 | wps | anyone interested in presenting in november and december? |
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| 20:45.33 | macnewbold | if there's a list of topic ideas, I might be ready to take a turn again, if there aren't other volunteers |
| 20:45.56 | macnewbold | or I could present on cool stuff you can do when you're using Apache with PHP |
| 20:53.17 | wps | ideas: http://uphpu.org/article.php?story=20040616112417430 |
| 20:53.29 | wps | past presentations: http://uphpu.org/index.php?topic=Presentations |
| 21:21.05 | macnewbold | thanks wade, I needed those |
| 21:21.21 | macnewbold | I added a comment to the ideas story with all the presentations so far, so there's one short list |
| 21:21.55 | wps | great |
| 21:22.07 | macnewbold | so wps, here's what I'd propose. If you (individually, or UPHPU collectively) would like me to present in November or December, here are the topics I'd choose from, unless others want to propose something I know about: |
| 21:22.28 | macnewbold | CURL (including using it in e-commerce, like credit card processing) |
| 21:22.36 | macnewbold | PHP arrays |
| 21:23.20 | macnewbold | or LAMP (cool things you get when using php on linux+apache) |
| 21:23.51 | wps | I think that all three of those topics sound great |
| 21:23.53 | macnewbold | the arrays maybe could include functions or something too, but would be okay alone too |
| 21:24.02 | wps | and I don't have a single other person volunteering |
| 21:24.12 | wps | so if you would like to pick one of those, I would love to put you down for november |
| 21:24.30 | macnewbold | yeah, that's usually how I get my chances to jump on the soap box: wait until you're desperate... |
| 21:24.39 | wps | :) |
| 21:25.29 | macnewbold | one thing about november - my wife and I have our 6th anniversary on the 23rd, so we'd need to avoid that (it's the 4th Wednesday), and Thanksgiving is the 24th (4th thursday) |
| 21:25.37 | macnewbold | but if we're using 3rd thursday, we're okay |
| 21:25.46 | wps | yup, third thursday |
| 21:26.12 | macnewbold | Nov. 17th it is then |
| 21:26.17 | macnewbold | I'll think about topics and let you know |
| 21:26.31 | wps | k… wonderful |
| 21:56.07 | macnewbold | sent email to the list... still can't decide :) |
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