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03:49.43bigdog_utwhatz up all?
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13:31.19mindjujumornin' all
14:09.28mindjuju~wake macnewbold
14:09.30jbotmacnewbold: GOOD MORNING!!!
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15:12.56mindjujugot a moment, wps?
15:13.09wpspossible
15:13.14wpswhat's up>?
15:13.34mindjujuk, i've got 2 divs that sit side by side.  one that holds the links, the other that holds the page content
15:13.38mindjujuhttp://166.70.155.203/shopping/
15:13.46mindjujui need the dotted line to both go the same length
15:14.27mindjujubut if there isn't enough content in the description div, then the border doesn't go long enough
15:14.28mindjujuany ideas?
15:15.07wpsah, you have encountered one area where browser support is lacking… no way to specify auto-stretch-to-fill height
15:15.14wps…easily
15:15.19wpsthere are some options
15:15.44wpsthere are some semi-supported solutions… some hacks… and javascript
15:16.00mindjujuwhich do you recommend?
15:16.13wpsthe easiest and most stable however is to simply do it as a background image to a parent container that repeats vertically
15:16.36wpsand a background image with just those does will be 1k, so it won't bloat your page
15:16.46wpss/does/dots
15:17.15wps(because you'll only need one of the dots in the image, 3px by 3px or so, and then just repeat)
15:17.39mindjujuyeah, i can see that
15:18.37mindjujuk, i think i got it.  set the main content div to have it's dots CSS, and the link go background on a repeating vert - way cool
15:18.38mindjujuthnx!
15:33.22mindjujui've given a name to my pain and it is "Export text to HTML" in MS Word (any version"
15:33.46wpswhy are you using MS Word?
15:34.28mindjujui'm not.  some people in my company are using it to write verbage that where a copy of that verbage has to appear on the site
15:35.00wpsoh, I do not accept any copy unless it is in plain text
15:35.19mindjujuyou know, that's not a bad idea.  this is really torturous and not a good use of my time
15:35.28RyanEI used to have a user send me RTF files from his mac, and in linux, all the accent characters (?, ', ", etc.) were goofy.
15:35.35wpsug
15:35.39RyanEso I would have to manually fix all the goofiness every time.
15:35.49wpsseriously… do it
15:35.51mindjujuexactly where i am
15:36.10wpsit doesn't take them any more time to save as plain text then it would to save as MS Word
15:37.03RyanEspeaking of MAC users and funny characters... wps: the msg where you said 'seriously (garbled crap) do it', what are you putting in there?
15:37.25wpsnot being displayed correctly?
15:37.36wpsthat shouldn't be anything mac-specific
15:37.38RyanEI've seen it a bit, and just wonder what you're sending in your IRC client that irssi displays as goofy characters.
15:37.51RyanElooks like this: seriouslyâ@¦Â do it
15:38.06RyanE(with the @ sign being in reverse text)
15:38.16wpsthat's an ellipsis
15:39.15wpswhat system are you on, RyanE?
15:39.24RyanEirssi on Linux
15:39.27RyanEtext-only
15:39.30wpswhat's irssi?
15:39.43wpsan IRC client?
15:40.12RyanEyep
15:40.17RyanEtext-mode IRC client
15:40.25RyanEbarbaric, I know.  
15:40.35RyanEso which ellipsis were you typing?  -- or ... ?
15:40.35wpsdoes it support all of UTF-8 or just what's on the keyboard?
15:40.39RyanEunk
15:40.52wps"--" is considered an ellipsis?
15:40.56RyanEcan be.
15:41.09RyanEclear
15:41.12RyanEoops.  :)
15:41.50wpsmost people type three periods when they want an ellipsis, not understanding that an ellipsis is not three periods—it's actually a real character
15:42.10RyanEso you're typing the 'character' ellipsis?
15:42.17RyanEas opposed to three periods?
15:42.22wpsyes
15:42.48mindjujui actually get the same thing as RyanE.  garbled character for the eplises
15:42.59dataw0lfthat's because you don't have UTF-8 support
15:43.04dataw0lfI can see it fine.
15:44.02RyanE@wps: I'd argue that ellipsis can be either a 'real character', or the three dots.  The definition I find is: "A mark or series of marks ( . . . or * * * , for example) used in writing or printing to indicate an omission, especially of letters or words."
15:44.27RyanEdataw0lf: are you on irssi?
15:44.39dataw0lfRyanE: No, but that doesn't matter, my terminal supports UTF-8 too
15:44.43dataw0lfscreenshot acomin
15:45.59mindjujuhey, dw, do you happen to know what the 5th pin is for on the monitor cable?  my broke off so i just have 4 pins going accross on the top row, but the monitor still works
15:46.36dataw0lfdataw0lf.org/Screenshot.png
15:47.38mindjujuthat's a cool desktop, what is it?
15:48.05wpsubuntu
15:48.30dataw0lfmindjuju: hmm... I could be wrong but I don't think the fifth pin is used.
15:49.07mindjujuoh, actually, i just found the schema, it says it is ground
15:49.14mindjujuhttp://developer.apple.com/documentation/Hardware/Developer_Notes/Macintosh_CPUs-G4/PowerMacG4Cube/trin-59.html
15:49.40dataw0lfhuh, I could swear 6,7,8 and 10 were ground
15:50.03mindjujusorry, just realized this was a mac site, though i wonder if they are the same schema?
15:50.31dataw0lfI dunno, I'd assume standard VGAs would have the same pinout, but who knows
15:50.32mindjujuway cool site!
15:50.33mindjujuhttp://www.networktechinc.com/technote.html
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17:21.45wpsanyone itching to present in November or December?
17:22.02wpsmacnewbold, when's the next phlyte meeting?
17:22.11macnewboldI dunno
17:22.25macnewboldnot much point until we have the phlyte server set up
17:22.33macnewbolddataw0lf: how's this week looking?
17:23.01dataw0lfyou know what, I could do it tomorrow for sure.
17:23.09macnewbolddude, serious?
17:23.10dataw0lfI promise.
17:23.11macnewboldwhat time
17:23.13dataw0lfYeah, serious.
17:23.19dataw0lfUm, after 16:30
17:23.23macnewbolddeal
17:23.29dataw0lfOk, I'll be there.
17:23.42macnewboldI'll be at work until at least 17:30, probably until 18:00
17:23.54dataw0lfok, that works, it should only take about 15 minutes to get it up and running.
17:23.58macnewboldsweet
17:25.15dataw0lftail /chroot/debootstrap/debootstrap.log
17:25.19dataw0lfdoh
17:25.28dataw0lfpay no attention to the man behind the curtain
17:27.24macnewboldhehe
19:30.12mindjujuhey, macnewbold
19:42.50macnewboldhey mindjuju
19:43.10macnewbold(just got back with my lunch)
19:43.28mindjujuhope it was good, i had cold pizza -- anyways, about that CSS code, here it is
19:43.30mindjuju.navcenter {width:500px; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;}
19:44.16mindjujuso, if you have an element that needs to be centered in a page, create a div to hold the element/s needing centering
19:44.40mindjujui've read that it should not contain anything else
19:45.02mindjujuthe catch is that the div to hold the element needing centering, MUST have a width or it won't work
19:45.12mindjujui read that out of the CSSZenGarden book
19:45.21mindjujups, worked for me
19:50.05diskotec|wsounds like that is your work bible.  =)
19:50.47mindjujuyeah, i've read once and referring to it quite a bit until i'm ready to reread again
19:51.19mindjujubut, truthfully, my page sizes are about 30% what they used to be
19:56.35macnewboldcool

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