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| 00:46.41 | macnewbold | new and improved: http://www.freebsd.org/ |
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| 01:49.56 | bigdog_ut | freebsd is crap |
| 01:50.02 | wps | ha ha |
| 01:51.47 | wps | good evening, bigdog_ut |
| 01:52.18 | bigdog_ut | whatz up |
| 01:52.36 | wps | not much |
| 01:53.08 | wps | just working a little while I wait for ivana to get home from school |
| 01:53.18 | bigdog_ut | cool |
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| 04:42.02 | bigdog_ut | evenin all |
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| 13:20.29 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
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| 14:03.15 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: Nope. |
| 14:03.21 | dataw0lf | :0 |
| 14:03.30 | mindjuju | your just the person i was looking for |
| 14:03.56 | dataw0lf | That sounds ominous. |
| 14:04.02 | mindjuju | i'm trying to find a jetdirect 170x on a network. the default factory IP is not responding |
| 14:04.08 | mindjuju | was trying to find it through nmap |
| 14:04.11 | mindjuju | used this command |
| 14:04.22 | dataw0lf | by 'not responding' what do you mean? |
| 14:04.30 | dataw0lf | not replying to ICMP echo? |
| 14:04.50 | mindjuju | right, the device doesn't seem to be at that address |
| 14:05.01 | mindjuju | and I tried nmap -sP -v 10.0.3.1-255 |
| 14:05.18 | mindjuju | and it found everything else in those ranges, just not the jetdirect |
| 14:06.00 | mindjuju | is that the right scan to use to find a network print server |
| 14:06.23 | dataw0lf | if it is supposed to respond to ICMP |
| 14:06.28 | dataw0lf | all -sP is going to do is ping it |
| 14:07.29 | wps | anyone know anything about an "writefd_unbuffered" error when trying to run rsync? |
| 14:08.05 | dataw0lf | wps: are you using rsync between two same filesystems? |
| 14:08.07 | dataw0lf | or are they different? |
| 14:08.12 | wps | different |
| 14:08.17 | wps | mounted volume |
| 14:09.09 | dataw0lf | I mean, are they the same TYPE of filesystem? |
| 14:09.15 | dataw0lf | ext3 <-> ext3 |
| 14:09.20 | dataw0lf | UFS <-> UFS |
| 14:09.23 | dataw0lf | HFS <-> HFS |
| 14:09.23 | dataw0lf | etc |
| 14:09.30 | wps | oh |
| 14:10.11 | wps | yes, HFS <-> HFS |
| 14:11.23 | dataw0lf | wps: hm. sure neither filesystem is corrupt? |
| 14:11.42 | dataw0lf | and do you have write access, of course. |
| 14:11.50 | dataw0lf | priv me the full error if you could |
| 14:12.38 | wps | yeah, pretty sure neither is corrupted |
| 14:14.12 | wps | yes to read/write access on both drives |
| 14:14.16 | wps | it's between my HD and my iPod |
| 14:16.24 | wps | just tried between HD and another HD and received the same error |
| 14:16.38 | wps | it only happens when I use the E flag though (extended attributes) |
| 14:16.46 | wps | that is something that Apple added for data forks |
| 14:17.10 | wps | so it may not be something will know about |
| 14:18.54 | dataw0lf | wait. which rsync is this? |
| 14:19.07 | dataw0lf | standard rsync is HFS+ dumb |
| 14:19.24 | wps | regular command line rsync that comes with Mac OS 10.4 |
| 14:19.51 | dataw0lf | use this instead for HFS+ rsync : |
| 14:19.52 | dataw0lf | http://hfsrsync.darwinports.com/ |
| 14:20.01 | dataw0lf | and I'm pretty sure the problems will clear up. |
| 14:20.44 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: all I can suggest on the printer issue is standard network troubleshooting tips. |
| 14:20.54 | dataw0lf | correct OSI traversal etc |
| 14:20.58 | wps | thanks, I'll look at that |
| 14:21.21 | wps | seems strange to me that the version that comes with the OS wouldn't support the file format it's running on |
| 14:22.00 | dataw0lf | Yup, but it doesn't, unfortunately. |
| 14:22.19 | dataw0lf | I'll just store that away as one of the many reasons Apple sucks, yes? |
| 14:22.20 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 14:22.31 | wps | sure :) |
| 14:26.43 | diskotec|w | We've been having problems with something in our office getting into our trash and leaving messes at night. I walked into my office late last night and found this ... http://www.lioncrusher.com/animal.asp?animal=84 ... in a trap that maintenance had set for it. Right when I turned on the light it was hissing at me. |
| 14:27.37 | dataw0lf | diskotec|w: that's awesome. |
| 14:27.49 | dataw0lf | did you eat it? |
| 14:28.27 | diskotec|w | nah... wasn't sure if it had rabbies or not. wanted to see if it tasted like chicken |
| 14:28.30 | dataw0lf | looks like it's on the threatened list. |
| 14:28.32 | diskotec|w | heh |
| 14:29.00 | dataw0lf | I think it's cute. |
| 14:29.05 | dataw0lf | now I want one as a pet. |
| 14:29.13 | diskotec|w | I actually thought the same thing |
| 14:29.15 | dataw0lf | where do you work anyways? |
| 14:29.19 | diskotec|w | if it was tame |
| 14:29.36 | diskotec|w | http://www.slvrmc.org/ Alamosa, Co. |
| 14:29.56 | diskotec|w | oh and I didn't do the website |
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| 14:36.51 | mindjuju | what about predatory birds like hawks ? |
| 14:39.07 | dataw0lf | yup like them too |
| 14:39.20 | dataw0lf | my favorite animal is probably going to have to be an otter |
| 14:41.03 | mindjuju | long time ago, I used to clean pools, and was working a route in the north part of houston (conroe) where there is some pretty dense woods. So, i'm cleaning this pooland look up to see some squirrel or something playing on this branch. Suddenly, a brown something, came crashing through the branches and grab the squirrel and flew off. what ever it was had a huge wingspan |
| 14:41.54 | mindjuju | i was standing there pumping clorine into this pool watching the whole thing, thinking what the H! |
| 14:43.03 | mindjuju | aren't otters the ones that balance balls on their noses? |
| 14:43.16 | wps | that's a seal |
| 14:44.39 | mindjuju | Sea otters have 1 million hairs per square inch of skin, (wikipedia) |
| 14:48.51 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: probably an owl. |
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| 15:00.33 | macnewbold | ~lart bigdog_ut |
| 15:00.40 | macnewbold | I saw your freebsd comment, dork |
| 15:00.57 | macnewbold | how childish to resort to baseless namecalling |
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| 19:52.47 | macnewbold | ~pinhead |
| 20:14.32 | mindjuju | hey, wasn't there somebody in this channel talking about an AJAX framework? |
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| 20:25.12 | RyanE_ | mindjuju: for which Language? |
| 20:26.28 | macnewbold | yeah, there are a bunch, mindjuju |
| 21:10.41 | mindjuju | not sure if they make a framework in this flavor yet, but i'd like the AJAX framework to be written in JavaScript itself. That way it would instantly be portable to all server languages. ( |
| 21:32.54 | RyanE_ | there are some that are *just* framework, but if you know the target language, there are some that are more integrated. |
| 21:33.14 | mindjuju | yeah, just noticing some. |
| 21:33.27 | mindjuju | some based on ruby with ruby script, etc |
| 21:33.28 | RyanE_ | i.e. for PHP, there's xajax, which makes it REALLY easy to do AJAX... |
| 21:33.29 | mindjuju | php |
| 21:33.39 | RyanE_ | I picked it up in about 20 minutes, had my ajax app working. |
| 21:33.49 | RyanE_ | it was simple, but I could certainly do more complicated quickly as well. |
| 21:34.15 | RyanE_ | now, xajax DOES use a javascript framework to do it's work... I don't remember which... let me look... |
| 21:35.34 | mindjuju | i guess i'm looking for something more clientside. something that provides drag and drop capability, AJAX communication to the web server |
| 21:35.38 | RyanE_ | ok, I take it back... it must've been another one. |
| 21:35.58 | mindjuju | and looked from that light, it really shouldn't matter what server language your using, as long as the data is formated the right way, it should pull across |
| 21:36.02 | RyanE_ | xajax does the communication, not so much of the client-side goodness. |
| 21:36.21 | RyanE_ | but there's nothing to say you couldn't use xajax, then one of the client side ones, like... let me look... |
| 21:37.09 | RyanE_ | http://script.aculo.us/, which is based on Prototype JavaScript library. |
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| 21:37.48 | RyanE_ | that's the approach I'd take. Nail down the client to server comms, then make it fancy and pretty with script.aculo.us. |
| 21:40.02 | mindjuju | yeah, that's site is definantly down the right path. my pain is this, when you go to look at all the ajax sites, they sux. honestly. everybody is pushing data accross, sure sure, but their pages look like crap. why not just put that portion in an iframe and have the iframe reload? there was one mega crappy example of ajax where the dude was doing calculation and was sending the info back to the server to do the adding and sending that computation ba |
| 21:40.15 | mindjuju | javascript can do that just as easy and on the client side to boot |
| 21:40.39 | mindjuju | but this site you mentioned is taking it to the next level like google, where the presenation level is cared for |
| 21:40.44 | RyanE_ | I think the point isn't that you SHOULD do the calculation on the server side, but that was just a proof-of-example that works. |
| 21:40.48 | mindjuju | if you see anything else in this vein, let me know |
| 21:41.04 | RyanE_ | it doesn't matter how good the front-end stuff is, though, you still have to store it somewhere and validate the user input on the backend. |
| 21:41.18 | mindjuju | yeah, that may be the case, but even the site that had ajax frameworks that i looked at didn't actually use ajax in their website |
| 21:41.19 | RyanE_ | and doing that without another refresh is what the bad-looking sites like the one you mentioned show |
| 21:41.27 | RyanE_ | hehe |
| 21:42.17 | mindjuju | i like that picture of that tshirt being able to be moved around. dat coo |
| 21:42.35 | RyanE_ | also... if you go to Prototype page, it has links to another couple of them... |
| 21:42.41 | RyanE_ | http://prototype.conio.net/ |
| 21:42.55 | RyanE_ | Rico is nice like Script.aculo.us |
| 21:43.05 | mindjuju | yeah, saw that site. |
| 21:43.19 | RyanE_ | they're the only two that I know of for the fancy front-end stuff you want |
| 21:43.21 | mindjuju | if his framework is so fantabulous, shouldnt he be using it on his site |
| 21:43.31 | RyanE_ | don't the demos do it? |
| 21:43.43 | mindjuju | sure sure, the demos are, but why not the rest of the site? |
| 21:43.46 | RyanE_ | I dig ajax, but only 1 page on my site does anything with it. |
| 21:43.48 | RyanE_ | no time |
| 21:43.54 | RyanE_ | and that page isn't even public |
| 21:43.58 | mindjuju | like csszengarden |
| 21:44.03 | mindjuju | where everythign is css |
| 21:44.13 | RyanE_ | not to mention the fact that I surf my site with my palmpilot, where I don't have much rich Javascript available. |
| 21:44.16 | mindjuju | i'm just complaining, don't mind me |
| 21:44.29 | RyanE_ | there are many reasons people may not want to deploy the cutting-edge to everywhere all at once. |
| 22:34.21 | macnewbold | RyanE_: which thing was it you used to create an ajax app in 20 minutes? |
| 22:34.26 | macnewbold | xajax, or something else? |
| 22:35.26 | RyanE_ | xajax |
| 22:35.40 | RyanE_ | I had code to do most of the functionality, it just added the ajax portion. |
| 22:35.51 | RyanE_ | i.e. I already had the UI working non-ajax, with DB addition, etc. |
| 22:36.01 | RyanE_ | this just 'ajaxified' it very simply. |
| 22:36.06 | macnewbold | did you like the xajax? |
| 22:36.32 | RyanE_ | yeah, for the client-server communications, it sure makes it easy. |
| 22:36.48 | RyanE_ | but like mindjuju was saying, it doesn't do the pretty UI for you, which is fine. |
| 22:36.52 | RyanE_ | I'm not into pretty UI's for my internal stuff. |
| 22:37.21 | macnewbold | does it come with good docs on how to integrate it, or are there some good 3rd party docs? |
| 22:37.27 | RyanE_ | my stuff just takes the table, and instead of submitting it to the PHP page itself for insert, causes an ajax call, which inserts, and updates the UI to say 'saved'. |
| 22:37.36 | RyanE_ | a few good examples is all you need. |
| 22:37.47 | RyanE_ | it just wraps your PHP functions so you can call them within the ajax. |
| 22:37.50 | RyanE_ | it's pretty cool idea. |
| 22:37.54 | macnewbold | oh, nice |
| 22:38.22 | RyanE_ | that's what made it so easy. |
| 22:38.50 | RyanE_ | I just took my DB updating stuff, made it a function, registered it in xajax, and *poof*, the DB part's done. |
| 22:39.16 | RyanE_ | then you just register what you want to change on the UI (in my case, it was a <tr>'s innerHTML), and *poof*, the UI updating is done. |