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| 12:47.10 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
| 13:31.47 | mindjuju | bueller |
| 13:31.56 | mindjuju | bueller |
| 13:32.01 | mindjuju | bueller |
| 13:32.06 | mindjuju | bueller |
| 13:56.49 | macnewbold | ~bueller |
| 14:00.12 | mindjuju | yo mac |
| 14:00.23 | mindjuju | 2 questions |
| 14:01.25 | mindjuju | 1. i'm building a table to store articles. I want to be able to build a client interface to search through the text of the articles |
| 14:02.21 | mindjuju | what do i need to do I need to do to the column to make it efficently searchable |
| 14:02.51 | mindjuju | never worked with indexes, though I generally know about them and seems like now is the time to use it? |
| 14:36.26 | mindjuju | macnewbold, still around? |
| 14:36.42 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 14:36.43 | macnewbold | sup |
| 14:36.47 | macnewbold | sorry, didn't see that till now |
| 14:37.01 | macnewbold | mysql, right? |
| 14:37.16 | mindjuju | posted a question just above about indexing, do you have a moment to talk about indexing or are you busy? |
| 14:37.21 | macnewbold | the articles themselves are probably in text or longtext columns |
| 14:37.37 | macnewbold | take a look in the mysql manual at the "full text" indexing stuff |
| 14:37.38 | mindjuju | text columns |
| 14:37.43 | macnewbold | I haven't used it, but it looks good |
| 14:37.47 | mindjuju | k |
| 14:38.12 | macnewbold | the other kind of index would only really help for finding the first part of the string |
| 14:38.26 | macnewbold | i.e. where article="This is my article text." or |
| 14:38.40 | macnewbold | where article like "Starts like this%" (perhaps) |
| 14:38.51 | macnewbold | lemme know what you find |
| 14:38.55 | macnewbold | I think it does what you awnt though |
| 14:39.02 | mindjuju | will do |
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| 15:31.09 | Utah_Dave | I had something interesting happen yesterday with a dev linux box I was setting up. |
| 15:32.34 | Utah_Dave | I was setting up a server with a new scsi raid. I had Fedora Core 4 installed and running smoothly when our facilities guy cut power to the outlet that the raid was plugged into. |
| 15:32.54 | Utah_Dave | the server itself was plugged into our ups system and continued running |
| 15:33.32 | Utah_Dave | I could still ssh into the box, and browse the file system, but if I tried to open a file it gave me an IO error. |
| 15:34.07 | Utah_Dave | Apache was still attempting to serve pages, but couldn't find what it should have been serving, including error pages. |
| 15:34.35 | Utah_Dave | I just found it quite interesting that the system was still basically working even though it's entire file system was gone. |
| 15:35.09 | Utah_Dave | I plugged the raid into the ups and re-booted it and everything started working perfectly. I didn't even need to reboot the server. |
| 15:35.58 | fungus_ | Cool, that is what *should* happen IMO. |
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| 15:44.22 | macnewbold | I think that's a side effect of scsi |
| 15:44.34 | macnewbold | it treats scsi in many ways kind of like a network, |
| 15:44.40 | macnewbold | and if the thing on the other end is down, |
| 15:44.45 | macnewbold | it doesn't freak out |
| 15:45.14 | macnewbold | BTW, anyone else wanna carpool with fungus_ and I from SLC to tomorrow night's meeting? |
| 15:45.55 | RyanE | kind of counter-productive for me. :) |
| 15:46.07 | macnewbold | yeah, well... it's up to you |
| 15:46.21 | macnewbold | or we could meet you there and give you a ride to SLC after the meeting... |
| 15:46.26 | macnewbold | but that probably won't help you much |
| 15:46.56 | RyanE | now that I work *at* work, I think I'm even *closer* to Linux Networx... |
| 15:46.57 | *** topic/#uphpu by macnewbold -> Jeff Barr Tomorrow night (9/29), 7pm - Amazon Web Services | Utah PHP User Group | http://www.uphpu.org |
| 15:47.04 | macnewbold | proably so |
| 16:12.42 | Utah_Dave | i'm going to take the 3 minute route! |
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| 16:15.01 | mindjuju | 3 minute route? i'm jealous! i'm not that close :( |
| 16:22.18 | macnewbold | fungus and I could make it in 3-6 minutes probably |
| 16:22.23 | macnewbold | but it might not be legal |
| 16:22.54 | macnewbold | or require hardware I don't currently possess |
| 16:28.31 | mindjuju | a flux capacitor perhaps? |
| 16:29.02 | Utah_Dave | I live just down the street. just north of Thanksgiving Point. |
| 16:29.41 | macnewbold | or a plane of some kind |
| 16:50.32 | mindjuju | finally, a news story that just makes you smile for the guy |
| 16:50.33 | mindjuju | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4290820.stm |
| 16:52.02 | jsmith | Why's that a good story? Don't get me wrong, but they didn't cover the thousands of other people who lost a lot more than 1.8 million in the deal. |
| 16:52.21 | jsmith | Is it just me, or is the lottery just a giant stupidity tax. |
| 16:52.40 | mindjuju | that's true, i'm not a gambler (besides the occassional penny poker) |
| 16:52.57 | mindjuju | but, at least it isn't a sad, gloomy or depressing story |
| 16:54.32 | jsmith | Yeah, but it's not showing both sides, either. |
| 17:10.26 | jsmith | Yeah, it's been that kind of week. |
| 17:11.20 | mindjuju | need to have somebody's butt kicked? I know a guy that reasonably priced |
| 17:12.20 | jsmith | Yeah... mine. But tell him to take it easy -- I need my butt functional for the rest of the week. |
| 17:12.53 | mindjuju | man, something sucky must really be going on. what up? |
| 17:14.47 | jsmith | Yeah, as if. |
| 17:15.15 | jsmith | I'm just up to my neck in projects at work, will be on the road the next two weeks, and is just plain grumpy. |
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| 17:20.02 | jsmith | I've got about three weeks of work to get done before end of business on Friday. |
| 17:20.19 | dataw0lf | :\ |
| 17:20.21 | dataw0lf | that sucks |
| 17:20.27 | dataw0lf | I've got one day of work to get done by Friday. |
| 17:21.02 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Now that's more my speed. |
| 17:21.24 | dataw0lf | oooh yeah |
| 17:21.51 | wps | I used to be a die-hard marshmallow matey man |
| 17:22.10 | wps | I have recently changed to cinnamon toasters |
| 17:22.15 | jsmith | Oh yeah... cheaper and sugarier... |
| 17:22.27 | wps | yup |
| 17:22.49 | mindjuju | never had cinnamon toasters. i'm a Total fan |
| 17:22.54 | dataw0lf | gotta eat the italian sausage and cheese omelets. |
| 17:23.24 | mindjuju | that sounds pretty good, dw, except that i'm eating bbq chicken |
| 17:23.29 | fungus | heh, all I need is a coke or 2. |
| 17:24.07 | fungus | or a monster size mocha latte on really bad days. |
| 17:24.35 | mindjuju | no spicy tofu or veggie burgers? |
| 17:24.48 | fungus | not in the morning, that is for dinner. |
| 17:25.14 | dataw0lf | spicy italian sausage |
| 17:25.19 | dataw0lf | mmm god I want some more. |
| 17:26.06 | wps | heaven -> http://maltomeal.com/pages/cc_CinToasters.html |
| 17:26.08 | mindjuju | the only thing better than Italian sausage is Bratwurst (sp?) and mustard |
| 17:26.51 | mindjuju | i used to love cinnamon toast crunch |
| 17:27.02 | mindjuju | do you get that at Walmart? |
| 17:27.10 | wps | any grocery store |
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| 19:01.32 | diskotec|w | this is pretty slick... http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9257262400.html |
| 19:05.54 | jsmith | diskotec|w: No kidding -- too bad it'll never be commercially viable. |
| 19:06.16 | mindjuju | that is pretty cool |
| 19:21.10 | RyanE | Did you guys happen to notice that the prototype kit cost $3k? |
| 19:21.12 | RyanE | hmmm... |
| 19:22.03 | jsmith | Yeah, I just noticed that -- hence the reason I said "it'll never be commercially viable" |
| 19:26.29 | dataw0lf | price of a prototype doesn't have too much to do with it being 'commercially viable' |
| 19:28.57 | jsmith | Sure it does. |
| 19:29.13 | jsmith | In the world of electrical engineers, prototype cost is *everything*. |
| 19:29.26 | jsmith | Most companies will take a huge loss on the dev boards, just to get people interested. |
| 19:29.48 | jsmith | $3000 for a prototype board is *way* overboard. |
| 19:35.03 | dataw0lf | To electrical engineers, prototype cost is everything (and they DO take it overboard), you're right. It still has nothing to do with it being commercially viable. |
| 19:37.48 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Yeah, it does. If it costs $3000 for a 6" 4-shades-of-grey screen and a gumstick board, it'll never be cheap enough to mainstream. |
| 19:45.05 | dataw0lf | Would you like to make a hundred dollar bet that I can show you several products that were prototyped at that amount (or higher) and are now 'commercially viable' ? |
| 19:45.37 | jsmith | Do you realize how long this technology has been in development? |
| 19:45.49 | jsmith | I saw my first electronic ink prototype in 1993. |
| 19:46.14 | dataw0lf | Do you want to make the bet or not? |
| 19:46.15 | jsmith | Besides, there's a difference between a prototype and a developers kit. |
| 19:46.28 | dataw0lf | That's correct. |
| 19:46.32 | jsmith | I agree that there are *prototypes* that can cost that much and become viable. |
| 19:46.54 | dataw0lf | you're saying that there aren't developer kits that can cost that much and become viable?? |
| 19:46.57 | jsmith | But for a devkit to be $3000 and to claim they'll be able to sell them for less than $5 in a few years... |
| 19:47.16 | jsmith | dataw0lf: No, but none that hope to sell for less than $5. |
| 19:49.02 | dataw0lf | I didn't know 5 dollars was the set commercial viable price. |
| 19:49.09 | dataw0lf | I wasn't arguing that their claim was incorrect. |
| 19:50.08 | jsmith | Yeah, $5/screen is the holy grail of electronic ink. (The hope is to someday get color below that, but for now, at least 4 shades of grey) |
| 19:50.36 | jsmith | Anything more than that, and LCDs are probably worth the extra weight and battery consumption. |
| 19:52.03 | jsmith | brb |
| 19:57.03 | dataw0lf | hm |
| 19:58.22 | dataw0lf | Anyone know a way to implement 'newgrp <xgroup>' when a user is authenticating through Samba and affecting samba mounts? |
| 19:58.29 | macnewbold | if the e-ink "paper" can get into the same price area (+/- 25% I'd say) then there will be an actual viable choice, and you can choose based on your technical needs/wants rather than just price. |
| 19:59.25 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: makes <xgroup> your primary group |
| 19:59.42 | dataw0lf | thus, when you create a file, the file will have that group as it's group ownership |
| 20:00.36 | dataw0lf | it's considered a login to the specific group. |
| 20:00.46 | dataw0lf | so newgrp actually opens a new shell. |
| 20:04.07 | macnewbold | ah |
| 20:04.33 | dataw0lf | anyone know? |
| 20:04.36 | macnewbold | is there a reason why you can't just change it on the server initially? |
| 20:04.43 | dataw0lf | Yeah. |
| 20:04.44 | macnewbold | i.e. before they samba? |
| 20:04.46 | macnewbold | hm |
| 20:05.14 | macnewbold | unless samba's got a hook for it, or you want to make your own hook with tcpdump or something, I don't know of a way |
| 20:05.21 | macnewbold | without hacking samba |
| 20:05.32 | macnewbold | even with hacking samba, the server would have to know what group |
| 20:05.36 | macnewbold | cause the client won't tell i |
| 20:05.38 | macnewbold | it |
| 20:07.49 | dataw0lf | Yeah. |
| 20:08.10 | dataw0lf | was just hoping there was some sort of config file samba loaded when authenticating or something I could throw it in |
| 20:10.04 | macnewbold | ah |
| 20:10.11 | macnewbold | if it's always the same group, |
| 20:10.16 | macnewbold | the samba config has it I think |
| 20:10.27 | dataw0lf | Ah, see I have to do it for a couple users, not all ;) |
| 20:10.53 | macnewbold | that's the catch, I think |
| 20:11.03 | dataw0lf | yeah. |
| 20:12.46 | macnewbold | I don't know of any per-user config stuff |
| 20:13.11 | macnewbold | unless you can just change the default group of the users on the server, you'd have to jury-rig something I think |
| 20:15.23 | dataw0lf | Yeah, I'm probably just going to have to end up changing their primary group. |
| 20:15.25 | dataw0lf | Darn. |
| 20:17.44 | macnewbold | if they need a different group when logged in through other ways, you could put the newgrp in their .login or something |
| 20:18.22 | dataw0lf | yeah, see, I was wondering when they mounted samba mounts if something was run that was equivalent to a .login or .bashrc or something. |
| 20:19.06 | macnewbold | not that I know of |
| 20:19.12 | macnewbold | but you could ask on the samba list or something |
| 20:19.33 | macnewbold | another option is to set up something external to samba that could fix the files up after the fact, perhaps |
| 20:19.42 | macnewbold | but I don't konw what you're trying to do |
| 20:20.06 | dataw0lf | Well, I guess I could run a cronjob every 5 minutes or something, but that seems rather.... hackish |
| 20:20.46 | macnewbold | at this point, anything we've suggested sounds kinda hackish :) |
| 20:20.59 | macnewbold | but a hack that works may be what you need at this point... |
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| 20:21.34 | macnewbold | could you just make the dir the files go into be setgid? |
| 20:26.01 | dataw0lf | well, that's another problem, hehe, the directory that it's under has to be of the group 'samba' |
| 20:28.05 | macnewbold | which is not the group the files need to be in? |
| 20:28.18 | dataw0lf | right |
| 20:44.18 | macnewbold | could you use an ACL to give the samba group access, but change the group on the dir and make it setgid? I've never tried anything like it, so I have no idea. |
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| 23:04.42 | mindjuju | you around wps? |
| 23:11.32 | wps | yes |
| 23:13.14 | mindjuju | k, i have two groupings of text that i want on the same line. A date and the name of the article. i'd like for it to be equadistant. I think that if i use an li tag, it would do it, but wanted to know if that was the right way to do it. example follows |
| 23:13.30 | mindjuju | September 2005 Some Great Article |
| 23:13.42 | mindjuju | August 2005 Some Great Article |
| 23:14.16 | mindjuju | i'd prefer the titles to be lined up, can i do it with li, or do i have to use a div for the month/year and a div for the title? |
| 23:14.48 | wps | something like this? |
| 23:14.48 | wps | http://www.3-form.com/company-news-announcements.php?archive=1 |
| 23:15.11 | mindjuju | that's exactly it. thnx, i'll study the code to see how they did it |
| 23:15.27 | wps | well… I didn't write that code and haven't looked at it… so I don't know if it is a good example |
| 23:15.33 | wps | but… if that is the look you are looking for then… |
| 23:15.41 | mindjuju | yup, that's what i'd like to do |
| 23:15.41 | wps | that is tabular data and that is what a table is for |
| 23:16.00 | mindjuju | i can legally use a table here? |
| 23:16.03 | mindjuju | Woot!!! |
| 23:16.05 | wps | where? |
| 23:16.16 | wps | for this application? yes! that is what tables were designed for! |
| 23:16.20 | wps | tabular data |
| 23:16.33 | wps | not layout, not graphics… this |
| 23:16.37 | mindjuju | well, to store data in that fashion. way cool. i thought i gave away my tables permanantly |
| 23:16.52 | mindjuju | yup, not graphics or layout, just to store data |
| 23:16.57 | wps | most CSS converts think that |
| 23:17.21 | wps | no, tables aren't abominable… they are just the most misused markup |
| 23:17.41 | mindjuju | that page is using tables |
| 23:17.48 | mindjuju | way cool |
| 23:27.15 | macnewbold | w00t - my page just got approval from wps and mindjuju for using tables! :) |
| 23:27.53 | wps | well, I approved using tables for the list of data, but not for the page layout ;) |
| 23:29.17 | macnewbold | yeah, I didn't make the layout, that was the designer. I just used tables for it :) |
| 23:29.17 | jsmith | w00t - I just got a copy of my book :-) |
| 23:31.27 | mindjuju | way cool! what animal does the cover have? |
| 23:36.01 | jsmith | Starfish |
| 23:37.58 | macnewbold | hehe, an asterisk, get it? |
| 23:40.54 | mindjuju | :) |
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