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| 15:28.09 | mindjuju | Sacrilege! Comcast replaces the SciFi channel with the Golf Channel then only offer SciFi with an upgrade package!!! |
| 15:28.11 | mindjuju | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050926/ap_on_hi_te/cable_dropped_channels |
| 15:32.45 | jsmith | mindjuju: That's it -- I'm calling Comcast to .... uh, well... I don't have Comcast... :-) |
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| 15:36.12 | mindjuju | me either, i actually have directv from my HOA, but still! golf channel |
| 15:36.20 | mindjuju | is there enough golf to warrant a channel? |
| 15:38.17 | dataw0lf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.16 | jsmith | Watching golf on TV is like watching paint dry. |
| 15:49.13 | mindjuju | they should do something to spice up golf, like make it full contact golf like rugby or maybe make them do it blindfolded |
| 15:49.37 | mindjuju | or better yet, find a real happy gilmore |
| 15:49.43 | RyanE | yes, but when you watch paint dry, you at least have a nicely painted room afterwards. :) |
| 15:50.12 | jsmith | RyanE: Not if you're watching paint dry on the WatchPaintDry channel :-) |
| 15:55.44 | mindjuju | a LONG time ago when i used to work at a video store, we used to rent out a movie called Video Fireplace |
| 15:56.07 | mindjuju | no, really, it's true, 3 hours of footage for you and your sweetie to nestle to |
| 15:56.22 | mindjuju | i just found it on amazon |
| 15:56.24 | mindjuju | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004TTI1/104-5816869-8878344?v=glance |
| 15:59.35 | mindjuju | the customer reviews on that movie are priceless |
| 16:02.47 | Utah_Dave | hey, is anyone here currently using Fedora Core 4? |
| 16:04.53 | jsmith | mindjuju: Is that the one they sometimes show on cable on Christmas morning?... I prefer the "snowflakes falling in front of the pine trees" one :-) |
| 16:05.49 | fungus | I prefer a good slasher flick for xmas morning. |
| 16:06.17 | mindjuju | you know, truth told, i've never actually seen video fireplace, but I remember it actually renting during the holiday season |
| 16:06.40 | mindjuju | yeah, somehow that'd always rent too, fungus, there was one called silent night; deadly night with a killer santa |
| 16:06.43 | dataw0lf | pfft |
| 16:06.49 | dataw0lf | I have a _real_ fireplace in my apartment. |
| 16:08.01 | jsmith | dataw0lf: I have two fireplaces in my house -- hence the reason I want *snowflakes*! |
| 16:08.02 | mindjuju | a really real fireplace or is it more of a hibachi |
| 16:08.36 | dataw0lf | snowflakes are for the birds. |
| 16:08.43 | dataw0lf | a really real fireplace |
| 16:08.48 | dataw0lf | with like stones and a mantle and stuff |
| 16:09.13 | mindjuju | don't have a fireplace in our townhome |
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| 16:15.55 | Utah_Dave | jsmith: I just installed it and am finding vsftpd to be VERY slow. when I was running FC2 on the same box I didn't get that. |
| 16:16.36 | dataw0lf | what do you mean by 'slow', Utah_Dave ? |
| 16:16.47 | dataw0lf | as in, the network traffic has significantly decreased? |
| 16:17.29 | dataw0lf | (in speed) |
| 16:17.31 | dataw0lf | ? |
| 16:18.45 | Utah_Dave | yeah, network traffic is really slow. authentication seems to be slow, too |
| 16:19.37 | dataw0lf | any chance that the network card media settings got screwed up? Check for me. |
| 16:20.09 | Utah_Dave | ok, just a minute |
| 16:20.51 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: what should I be looking for? |
| 16:21.21 | dataw0lf | depends on your network card. |
| 16:21.34 | dataw0lf | 100base FD is probably what you want |
| 16:22.19 | macnewbold | some things have messed up autodetection of 10mpbs vs 100mbps |
| 16:22.23 | macnewbold | and it can really screw stuff up |
| 16:22.37 | macnewbold | or they'll detect half instead of full duplex |
| 16:23.00 | dataw0lf | which would probably be significantly more of an impact |
| 16:23.04 | dataw0lf | (HD vs FD) |
| 16:23.05 | Utah_Dave | ok, just a minute |
| 16:23.48 | dataw0lf | s/be/have |
| 16:25.04 | dataw0lf | How cool is Python? |
| 16:25.06 | dataw0lf | >>> L = ['a', 'b', 'f', 'b', 'c', 'f', 'a', 'd'] |
| 16:25.06 | dataw0lf | >>> [x for x in L if x not in locals()['_[1]']] |
| 16:25.06 | dataw0lf | ['a', 'b', 'f', 'c', 'd'] |
| 16:25.15 | dataw0lf | Very cool. |
| 16:28.57 | Utah_Dave | ok, guys. I'm afraid my dependence on Linux gui's is slowing me down. the gui isn't showing me what it detected for the speed of the card. |
| 16:29.20 | dataw0lf | mii-tool |
| 16:29.31 | dataw0lf | ^- from CLI |
| 16:29.59 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: command wasn't found |
| 16:30.04 | dataw0lf | ethtool then |
| 16:30.30 | mindjuju | http://ssa.gov/OACT/babynames/ |
| 16:31.17 | fungus | heh, Lonnie |
| 16:31.23 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: same. I guess I'll have connect this box to the internet and install one of those. which should I install? |
| 16:31.42 | dataw0lf | ... |
| 16:31.45 | dataw0lf | you don't have either? |
| 16:31.53 | dataw0lf | are you root? |
| 16:31.59 | fungus | ifconfig should show your media type, no? |
| 16:32.02 | dataw0lf | and, when you sued to root, did you su - ? |
| 16:32.34 | Utah_Dave | oh, no I didn't. just sec |
| 16:32.44 | dataw0lf | fungus: No. |
| 16:32.50 | mindjuju | lonnie was ranked 906 in popularity for the year 2002, doesn't show an entry for 2003 or 2004 |
| 16:33.14 | Utah_Dave | ah, that worked. |
| 16:33.24 | mindjuju | but interestingly enough, when you look at the name historically, 50 years ago, it was significantly more popular |
| 16:33.33 | dataw0lf | yeah, they didn't have much style back then. |
| 16:34.07 | fungus | lame, ifconfig shows it on BSDs |
| 16:34.13 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: it says "etho: negociated 100baseTx-HD, link ok |
| 16:34.24 | dataw0lf | there you go |
| 16:34.27 | dataw0lf | you're at half duplex |
| 16:34.31 | dataw0lf | set it to Full duplex |
| 16:34.36 | dataw0lf | drink some beer |
| 16:34.38 | dataw0lf | eat some cookies |
| 16:34.41 | dataw0lf | and |
| 16:34.43 | dataw0lf | ~celebrate |
| 16:34.45 | jbot | ACTION dances around firing six-shooters in the air |
| 16:35.02 | RyanE | mindjuju: have you tried the Java BabyName Wizard? It's fun for looking at popularity changes: http://babynamewizard.com/namevoyager/lnv0105.html |
| 16:35.02 | Utah_Dave | sweet! |
| 16:35.19 | Utah_Dave | how do I set it to Full duplex? |
| 16:35.27 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 16:35.29 | dataw0lf | what'd you use? |
| 16:35.30 | dataw0lf | ethtool? |
| 16:35.33 | dataw0lf | or mii-tool? |
| 16:35.33 | Utah_Dave | mii-tool |
| 16:35.58 | dataw0lf | mii-tool -h |
| 16:36.53 | fungus | mindjuju, when I was assigned that name, it was ranked 277. |
| 16:37.20 | mindjuju | i did a 100 year pull on Lonnie and found it was at 120 in the year 1905 |
| 16:38.15 | mindjuju | course though, social security didn't exist back 100 years ago, i wonder where they are pulling the data for the remainder of the time? |
| 16:42.55 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: according to mii-tool, the card is advertising Full duplex, as well as Half Duplex, etc. When I restart it, it renegociates to Half duplex. |
| 16:42.59 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: I tried forcing it Full duplex, like it says in the documentation, but that doesn't seem to have any effect. |
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| 16:43.46 | jsmith | Utah_Dave: This is a wild guess, but have you tried disabling SELinux? |
| 16:44.15 | Utah_Dave | when I installed it, I set SELinux to warn. Should I just turn it off? |
| 16:46.00 | jsmith | It's worth a try... |
| 16:46.17 | jsmith | Like I said, it's a wild guess -- could be something totally different... |
| 16:47.35 | Utah_Dave | ok, I disabled it. lemme reboot |
| 16:51.12 | Utah_Dave | nope, same problem. |
| 16:54.35 | Utah_Dave | I have mii-tool watching the card in one terminal, and in another terminal I try to force it to Full duplex like this: "mii-tool --force=100baseTx-FD eth0" |
| 16:54.55 | Utah_Dave | It shows the card renegociate and it goes right back to Half duplex |
| 16:58.57 | macnewbold | Utah_Dave: you may have to find out how to make it turn off the auto-negotiation |
| 16:59.12 | macnewbold | or maybe reboot the switch or whatever that's at the other end of the wire |
| 16:59.24 | macnewbold | it may be having trouble figuring it out |
| 16:59.32 | Utah_Dave | dang. I got it go to full duplex by using ethtool to turn autonegociation off, and then setting it to full duplex. But I still have very slow network traffic. |
| 16:59.52 | macnewbold | how are you measuring speed? |
| 17:00.07 | Utah_Dave | that's probably a good idea. In fact, I'm going to hook it straight into our 1000 switch. |
| 17:00.28 | macnewbold | maybe try a different port, too |
| 17:00.40 | Utah_Dave | I'm not really measuring it. It's just obviously a LOT slower than before I installed FC4 |
| 17:00.42 | macnewbold | maybe once the switch gets the port in half-duplex, it won't let it come back out easily? |
| 17:01.04 | macnewbold | is there extra traffic in the way, maybe from another host? |
| 17:01.39 | dataw0lf | back |
| 17:01.39 | Utah_Dave | yeah, that could be. I've been working on this server in my office and not in the server room. I think I'm on an old switch. But I didn't have a problem when this same machine was running FC2 |
| 17:01.50 | dataw0lf | what type of switch are you using Utah_Dave? |
| 17:01.58 | dataw0lf | do you have any interface to check various settings on it? |
| 17:02.02 | dataw0lf | web, shell, etc |
| 17:02.10 | Utah_Dave | I'm pretty sure it's a Cisco |
| 17:02.21 | Utah_Dave | I think I can telnet into it. |
| 17:03.12 | Utah_Dave | I've got the card in Full duplex mode now. but it's still sloooooow |
| 17:03.36 | dataw0lf | hey, you're the one who decided to use Fedora Core. |
| 17:04.44 | Rajah | question about the meeting... is it tomorrow or Thursday I have been told both just want to make sure I am available for the right one. |
| 17:05.29 | Utah_Dave | ha ha, I know. it's just that we've been using fedora for quite a while now |
| 17:05.43 | dataw0lf | excuses excuses |
| 17:05.52 | Utah_Dave | what would you recommend? |
| 17:06.04 | Utah_Dave | I'm not trying to start a flame war here! |
| 17:07.20 | dataw0lf | Ubuntu desktop side, Debian server side. *shrug* Honestly, I have no love for Fedora Core. |
| 17:07.40 | dataw0lf | and I have my RHCE ! |
| 17:08.38 | RyanE | Rajah: Thursday, the 29th |
| 17:08.51 | Utah_Dave | well, I may have to try that out. |
| 17:09.07 | Utah_Dave | thanks for the help everyone. I've learned a lot in just a few minutes. I appreciate it. |
| 17:09.25 | RyanE | wps: you around? |
| 17:09.31 | Rajah | ok thanks the site still says Tuesday so wasn't sure. |
| 17:09.49 | wps | yes |
| 17:11.08 | RyanE | @wps: the website still says Tuesday the 27th for the Jeff Barr presentation. |
| 17:17.54 | wps | thanks |
| 17:18.25 | wps | fixed |
| 17:18.34 | RyanE | no, thank *you*. |
| 17:18.50 | Rajah | might want to send out the a reminder/notify email incase people are like me and confused as to the real date |
| 17:19.04 | wps | will do |
| 17:27.26 | wps | done |
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| 18:22.17 | mindjuju | Man! this astral projection goa mix on DI is top class! |
| 18:27.49 | fungus | Most music with "mix" in the title is complete crap. |
| 18:29.49 | mindjuju | ~wiseguy fungus |
| 18:29.51 | jbot | ACTION runs up to fungus and pokes fungus in the eyes! |
| 18:32.50 | macnewbold | ~nyuk jbot |
| 18:32.51 | jbot | ACTION grabs jbot nose and hammers it with his other hand! |
| 18:32.57 | macnewbold | fungus was right... |
| 18:33.21 | mindjuju | fungus was wrong |
| 18:33.28 | macnewbold | more like "astral projection goa mix _from_ DI" |
| 18:33.33 | macnewbold | ~di |
| 18:33.35 | jbot | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 18:33.44 | macnewbold | ~di is also Deseret Industries |
| 18:33.46 | jbot | okay, macnewbold |
| 18:33.52 | macnewbold | ~DI |
| 18:33.53 | jbot | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html. Deseret Industries |
| 18:34.13 | mindjuju | ~di is also Digitally Imported where fine techno music can be had |
| 18:34.14 | jbot | okay, mindjuju |
| 18:34.18 | mindjuju | ~di |
| 18:34.20 | jbot | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html. Deseret Industries. Digitally Imported where fine techno music can be had |
| 18:34.38 | macnewbold | ~di is also (or as fine as techno music gets, anyway) |
| 18:34.39 | jbot | macnewbold: okay |
| 18:34.48 | macnewbold | ~raspberry mindjuju |
| 18:34.59 | mindjuju | ~di |
| 18:35.00 | jbot | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html. Deseret Industries. Digitally Imported where fine techno music can be had, or (or as fine as techno music gets, anyway) |
| 18:35.06 | mindjuju | ~macnewbold |
| 18:35.08 | jbot | methinks macnewbold is a self employeed code guru that is also known as the Big Daddy Mac |
| 18:35.13 | macnewbold | ~lart mindjuju |
| 18:35.16 | macnewbold | leave my alone |
| 18:35.31 | mindjuju | ~mindjuju |
| 18:35.32 | jbot | well, mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open, or insane |
| 18:35.32 | macnewbold | s/my/me/ | s/my/my factoid/ |
| 18:35.47 | macnewbold | btw, I found my little shakespeare insults book |
| 18:35.58 | mindjuju | ~shakespeare macnewbold |
| 18:35.59 | jbot | ACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: macnewbold - Thou impertinent elf-skinned scullian! |
| 18:36.01 | macnewbold | It's called "The Bard's Guide to Abuses and Affronts" |
| 18:36.13 | macnewbold | 126 pages |
| 18:36.27 | macnewbold | one just for Mindjuju: |
| 18:36.40 | mindjuju | macnewbold = affront to intelligent techno loving geeks everywhere |
| 18:36.53 | macnewbold | "I do repent the tedious minutes I with her have spent." - A Midsummer Night's Dream |
| 18:37.16 | macnewbold | oxymoron = intelligent techno loving geeks |
| 18:37.46 | macnewbold | "More of your conversation would infect my brain." - Coriolanus |
| 18:38.07 | macnewbold | "Have your mouth fill'd up before you open it." - Henry VIII |
| 18:38.30 | macnewbold | "He's winding up the watch of his wit; by and by it will strike." - The Tempest |
| 18:38.31 | synic | ! depeche mode is coming to town |
| 18:38.46 | mindjuju | really? when? |
| 18:38.51 | synic | november |
| 18:38.59 | macnewbold | "Out of my sight! Thou dost infect my eyes." - Richard III |
| 18:39.08 | synic | the exact date is not yet released. |
| 18:39.11 | macnewbold | for a girl: |
| 18:39.14 | mindjuju | ~nosepick macnewbold |
| 18:39.15 | jbot | ACTION plucks macnewbold out of the nose of humanity and flicks him out the window! |
| 18:39.28 | macnewbold | "She is spherical, like a globe. I could find out countries in her." - The Comedy of Errors |
| 18:39.31 | mindjuju | ! heh ! |
| 18:39.35 | macnewbold | for mindjuju: |
| 18:39.46 | macnewbold | "Thou smell of mountain goat." - Henry V |
| 18:40.06 | macnewbold | I've got a hundred of 'em |
| 18:40.37 | macnewbold | and I'll pull out fresh ones every time I need one |
| 18:40.44 | mindjuju | Oh ye dimwitted that must rely on the insults of another, yea even those from a book |
| 18:40.59 | mindjuju | a wise techno geek said that once, think it was Mindjuju |
| 18:41.15 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:41.18 | macnewbold | ~lart mindjuju |
| 18:41.47 | macnewbold | "The tartness of his face sours ripe grapes." - Coriolanus |
| 18:41.48 | mindjuju | ~melvin macnewbold |
| 18:41.50 | jbot | ACTION pulls macnewbold underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 18:42.12 | macnewbold | "I heave seen better faces in my time than stands alone on any shoulder that I see before me at this instant." - King Lear |
| 18:42.25 | macnewbold | ~raspberry |
| 18:42.35 | macnewbold | ~rasberry |
| 18:42.40 | macnewbold | ~razberry |
| 18:42.51 | macnewbold | ~listkeys rasp |
| 18:42.55 | macnewbold | ~listkeys berry |
| 18:47.58 | macnewbold | (unbeknownst to mindjuju, macnewbold had anti-hax0r and anti-techno countermeasures installed in his boxen) |
| 18:50.21 | RyanE | oh, to be young and foolish... :) |
| 18:50.32 | macnewbold | ~clue mindjuju |
| 18:50.33 | jbot | ACTION fans out Vegas-style a stack of clues for mindjuju "Pick one, any one! ...and don't show it to me." |
| 18:50.38 | macnewbold | ~cluebat mindjuju |
| 18:50.40 | jbot | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps mindjuju. |
| 18:51.49 | mindjuju | hmmm... americanpie.com |
| 18:52.01 | mindjuju | Welcome to Don McLean Online, the only official Don McLean website and source of latest news, streamed music and other exclusive material direct from Don McLean. Don McLean writes: [YAWN YAWN] |
| 18:52.38 | macnewbold | http://www.faqs.org/faqs/music/american-pie/ |
| 18:53.54 | fungus | wow, that is way more information about the song than I cared to know. |
| 18:54.07 | mindjuju | yeah, no kidding |
| 18:54.24 | fungus | But it is still a good song. |
| 18:55.48 | mindjuju | turns out i do know the song, liked it when I was a kid. Grandpa's favorite as far as I remember. 'think i'll stick with techno |
| 18:56.27 | mindjuju | seems like he also enjoyed herb albert and the tijuana brass |
| 19:42.24 | mindjuju | anybody here used qnx? |
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| 20:53.10 | diskotec|w | dataw0lf: you around? Just wondering about the new ubuntu linux kernel image update. since i've never updated a kernel, just wondering if the new update will be painless or not. |
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| 22:12.35 | jsmith | wps: The meeting is Thursday, not tomorrow, right? |
| 22:14.52 | RyanE | yeah. |
| 22:15.01 | wps | correct |
| 22:15.03 | RyanE | website has been updated with the info, and if you're on the list, you got an email about it. |
| 22:17.02 | macnewbold | wps: was there anything particular that brought Jeff Barr to town, or is he just coming to talk to us? |
| 22:17.26 | wps | he is coming to do a presentation at BYU and actually contacted us to see if we would listen to him :) |
| 22:18.08 | jsmith | List? |
| 22:18.15 | jsmith | You mean I have to use email? |
| 22:18.25 | wps | uphpu-announce |
| 22:20.05 | macnewbold | cool - I wondered how he could do the 27th or the 29th |
| 22:20.47 | RyanE | jsmith: and *IRC* is not? |
| 22:21.08 | RyanE | and *PHONES*? sooo last century, or maybe the one before that. |
| 22:22.11 | jsmith | RyanE: Not my phone system :-) It's definitely 21st century! |
| 22:22.28 | jsmith | (Yes, phones were a 19th century invention) |
| 22:23.05 | mindjuju | ~asterisk |
| 22:23.06 | jbot | well, asterisk is the symbol that looks like a star (shift-8 on north american English keyboards) |
| 22:23.34 | jsmith | Somebody teach jbot what Asterisk really is :-) |
| 22:23.47 | jsmith | ~thebook |
| 22:23.49 | jbot | somebody said thebook was Asterisk: The Future of Telephony by Jim Van Meggelen, Jared Smith & Leif Madsen, published by O'Reilly Media. It can be found at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/asterisk |
| 22:24.01 | mindjuju | ~asterisk is also a definative book on the future of telephony written by jsmith |
| 22:24.03 | jbot | okay, mindjuju |
| 22:24.14 | mindjuju | ~asterisk |
| 22:24.15 | jbot | hmm... asterisk is the symbol that looks like a star (shift-8 on north american English keyboards), or a definative book on the future of telephony written by jsmith |
| 22:24.15 | RyanE | jsmith: you could argue that the technology was really 20th century (until Asterisk!). |
| 22:25.14 | RyanE | i.e. I don't really call anything pre-direct-dial what I'd call 'telephone'. :) |
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| 23:04.56 | *** topic/#uphpu by bigdog_ut -> Jeff Barr Thursday night - Amazon Web Services | Utah PHP User Group | http://www.uphpu.org |