| 00:23.43 | tierra | in the collar? |
| 00:24.30 | tierra | ... late on conversation as usual... |
| 00:24.46 | fungus | no, under the skin |
| 00:25.16 | tierra | that the only way you managed to get her back macnewbold? |
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| 00:25.50 | tierra | I've heard of those once before, but it's been a while |
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| 01:00.15 | wps | anyone have access to a Microsoft Windows 2000 computer that can take a screenshot for me? |
| 02:00.03 | wps | I just tried to make a phone call and got an error message that said that my call could not be completed because of the hurricane in my area |
| 02:00.06 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 02:09.45 | bigdog_ut | evenin all? |
| 02:14.43 | wps | good evening, bigdog_ut |
| 02:14.50 | bigdog_ut | whatz up bro |
| 02:14.58 | wps | just got back from a bike ride |
| 02:15.23 | wps | and am now checking out satellite images of the hurricane |
| 02:15.39 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 02:16.38 | wps | and next I'll be shredding paper for a while |
| 02:16.50 | wps | I cleaned out my filing cabinet last night and have a huge pile of paper to get ride of |
| 02:18.03 | bigdog_ut | lol |
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| 13:57.13 | diskotec|w | die hard fans... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170108,00.html |
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| 15:44.32 | macnewbold | anyone planning on coming to tonight's phlyte meeting? |
| 15:44.56 | macnewbold | we may end up canceling unless dataw0lf is going to be able to come and install the server. |
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| 17:32.25 | mindjuju | wps |
| 17:32.32 | wps | mindjuju |
| 17:32.41 | mindjuju | do you still need that screenshot? |
| 17:33.02 | wps | no, I found one here at work |
| 17:33.05 | wps | thanks for the offer though |
| 17:33.12 | mindjuju | yup! |
| 17:33.21 | wps | well, unless you are getting the error |
| 17:33.32 | wps | I cannot replicate what the client is seeing |
| 17:33.46 | mindjuju | what is the webpage? |
| 17:34.40 | macnewbold | those are always fun, wps |
| 17:34.53 | wps | for sure |
| 17:34.54 | macnewbold | yesterday I got a complaint from someone who is hosted on our server |
| 17:35.01 | macnewbold | that people were getting the default page for the server |
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| 17:35.06 | macnewbold | (it's name-based virt hosting) |
| 17:35.15 | macnewbold | and I almost laughed myself out of my chair |
| 17:35.42 | macnewbold | I asked what browser they're using, and haven't heard back |
| 17:36.12 | macnewbold | do you guys know of any browsers that aren't compaitible with name-based hosting? (i.e. they don't send the Host: header in their http request) |
| 17:36.18 | RyanE | mac: why would that cause you to laugh yourself out of the chair? |
| 17:36.38 | macnewbold | have you ever heard of a browser that doesn't do that right? |
| 17:36.45 | macnewbold | they can't replicate the problem either |
| 17:36.52 | macnewbold | it just was what some client told them |
| 17:37.06 | wps | what he is saying is happening isn't crazy… it is a known issue with MSIE… that we experienced before… but I am pretty sure that I have eliminated all causes… so there isn't much that I can do further without seeing it |
| 17:37.06 | macnewbold | I laugh just thinking about what their computer is like... |
| 17:37.17 | macnewbold | maybe win95, with MSIE 3.0? |
| 17:37.27 | wps | sheesh |
| 17:37.30 | wps | that should be illegal |
| 17:37.42 | RyanE | I mean, if I can get to name-based virtual hosts in LINKS and LYNX text-mode browsers, I think anything slightly modern should be OK. |
| 17:37.45 | macnewbold | having to use it is almost punishment enough, |
| 17:37.50 | macnewbold | but apparently not quite enough for some people |
| 17:37.57 | macnewbold | yeah, no kidding |
| 17:41.16 | dataw0lf | Why would they buy a new computer? If Windows 95 and IE 3.0 has so far been getting them through the day? |
| 17:41.31 | macnewbold | I had one like that, almost, but I fixed it |
| 17:41.35 | macnewbold | by installing FreeBSD on it |
| 17:41.35 | dataw0lf | I mean, it's easy for geeks to put their noses up at the uneducated masses, but, really, how often are they on a computer a day? |
| 17:41.36 | macnewbold | works great now |
| 17:41.39 | macnewbold | other than a little slow |
| 17:42.47 | dataw0lf | Yeah? Let me know when you start convincing some 50 year old end users to put FreeBSD on their computers. |
| 17:43.20 | dataw0lf | This pervading attitude of let's sneer at those who have older computers and don't know what they're doing is the problem. Not the users themselves. |
| 17:46.07 | dataw0lf | My Mom can barely use a computer. |
| 17:46.13 | dataw0lf | But she's an anaesthologist. |
| 17:46.48 | dataw0lf | Yet, I doubt she'd sneer at you when you had no idea what she was talking about when she delved into the intricacies of certain drugs, anatomy, etc. |
| 17:47.06 | dataw0lf | Although she probably think it's rather simple knowledge. |
| 17:47.13 | dataw0lf | *shrug* |
| 17:47.39 | fungus | My dad still has difficulty double-clicking, but he figured out how to find porn. :) |
| 17:47.41 | xilch|w | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.52 | xilch|w | :) |
| 17:48.24 | dataw0lf | I'm tired of this arrogance geeks carry around with them because they got picked on in high school and now need to take it out on people who normally would give them a swirley. |
| 17:48.30 | dataw0lf | Now, I'm mean to people. |
| 17:48.48 | dataw0lf | But only to geeks who don't have the drive or common sense to find answers for a hobby / job they've _chosen_. |
| 17:49.28 | xilch|w | I'm just ribbing you anyway |
| 17:49.38 | dataw0lf | for my pleasure? |
| 17:49.49 | dataw0lf | x_X |
| 17:52.36 | macnewbold | I know what you mean, dataw0lf, and you're right |
| 17:52.56 | macnewbold | all I'm really trying to say is that if you're using a really old computer, you can't always expect all the new technology to cater to you |
| 17:53.10 | dataw0lf | Sure, you shouldn't expect that. |
| 17:53.13 | macnewbold | either the computer works "well enough" and you keep using it |
| 17:53.15 | dataw0lf | But end users don't know the difference. |
| 17:53.18 | macnewbold | or it doesn't, and you upgrade |
| 17:53.50 | macnewbold | if the end user doesn't know the difference, I don't mind if they ask |
| 17:54.00 | dataw0lf | but you'll laugh yourself out of your chair. |
| 17:54.03 | macnewbold | I just hope they don't mind when I tell them it's their computer's problem, not mine :) |
| 17:54.14 | macnewbold | I just didn't know people still used browsers that old |
| 17:54.21 | dataw0lf | Trust me. |
| 17:54.22 | dataw0lf | They do. |
| 17:54.32 | dataw0lf | You should see my grandmother's computer. |
| 17:54.36 | dataw0lf | Windows 3.1 |
| 17:54.39 | dataw0lf | on a 486 |
| 17:54.41 | macnewbold | it's the first time I've _ever_ had anyone tell me that their browser doesn't handle name-based virt hosting |
| 17:55.33 | dataw0lf | I was just looking for an excuse to rant. |
| 17:55.34 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 17:55.40 | dataw0lf | aight, cya guys in a little bit |
| 17:55.42 | macnewbold | yeah, we used a 286 (12mhz, MS-DOS5.0/6.0, 40MB HD 2400 bps modem) for a decade - and WordStar 5.5 is still one of my favorite document editors |
| 17:55.46 | macnewbold | k, cya dataw0lf |
| 17:55.50 | macnewbold | btw, you coming to phylte tonight? |
| 17:55.54 | macnewbold | if not, it's canceled |
| 17:56.07 | macnewbold | (we still need to meet sometime to get that server plugged in) |
| 17:56.13 | dataw0lf | hm |
| 17:56.18 | dataw0lf | ok, let me let you know after lunch. |
| 17:56.23 | macnewbold | oh, good - for a sec there I thought I missed you already |
| 17:56.24 | macnewbold | okay |
| 17:56.32 | macnewbold | even if you can bring the server |
| 17:56.36 | macnewbold | we'll probably still cancel the meeting |
| 17:56.38 | dataw0lf | xilch|w: I'm going to go stop by my house and I'll see you guys at the restaraunt around 12:15/20 |
| 17:56.48 | macnewbold | there's nothing productive left to talk about really |
| 17:56.54 | macnewbold | until we can actually start working on something |
| 17:56.58 | dataw0lf | if anyone else wants to meet up at the Soup Kitchen at 12:15/20, feel free. |
| 17:57.13 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: yeah, I should be able to, just have to double check with my buddy. can't remember if we had a double date tonight or tomorrow |
| 17:57.17 | dataw0lf | cya |
| 17:57.24 | macnewbold | okay |
| 17:57.31 | macnewbold | I hope your buddy's a girl |
| 17:57.40 | macnewbold | otherwise, you disappoint me |
| 17:57.54 | macnewbold | the thought of you dating a guy is just bizarre |
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| 19:45.31 | mindjuju | wish i had my flash gordon dvd here |
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| 20:55.46 | mindjuju | hmmm... mythTV either on knoppix or fedora |
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| 21:44.36 | jsmith | Wassup? |
| 21:48.14 | dataw0lf | my blood pressure? |
| 21:49.18 | jsmith | The number of copies of my book that have sold? |
| 21:49.48 | dataw0lf | yeah, I needed some kindling dude. |
| 21:49.51 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 21:49.52 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 21:50.15 | jsmith | Cool -- as long as I make royalties off your kindling, I don't care *what* you do with it :-) |
| 21:50.56 | dataw0lf | actually, I bought them with the covers ripped off :\ |
| 21:50.56 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 21:50.57 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 21:52.22 | mindjuju | this article talks a little about asterisk |
| 21:52.23 | mindjuju | http://www.gg2.net/viewnews.asp?nid=364&tid=business&catid=Business%20News |
| 21:53.02 | mindjuju | Skype has done the community at large a favour," said Mark Spencer, a mini-rock star in that community who created a free "open source" platform for office phone systems based on Internet Protocol technology. The Linux-based platform, named Asterisk, has been downloaded by developers more than a quarter million times this year. |
| 21:54.41 | fungus | does Skype use Asterisk as a back end? |
| 21:55.46 | mindjuju | good question, don't know |
| 21:55.52 | mindjuju | jsmith |
| 21:56.10 | fungus | If it doesn't, then asterisk doesn't have much of anything to do with skype. |
| 22:01.08 | jsmith | fungus: No. |
| 22:01.25 | jsmith | fungus: Skype uses it's own proprietary backend. |
| 22:02.08 | fungus | Then can you explain how skype and asterisk relate, besides the vague idea of both using VOIP. |
| 22:02.28 | jsmith | Uh... well, that just about covers it. |
| 22:03.09 | jsmith | Skype is a software product that lets you talk to other Skype users over the internet, using proprietary VoIP protocols. |
| 22:03.41 | fungus | That is what I thought. Oh well, at least asterisk *was* mentioned. Just too bad that it was mentioned in an article that has nothing to do with it. |
| 22:03.44 | jsmith | Asterisk is a complete telephony platform in software, allowing you to connect to both VoIP and regular phone lines, voice T1s, etc. It's open source, and uses open protocols. |
| 22:03.59 | jsmith | Plus, it's programmable! |
| 22:05.48 | RyanE | And it uses a symbol as it's name, which is trendy again! |
| 22:07.23 | jsmith | Yeah, that too! |
| 22:07.35 | jsmith | And, it has a nice shiny O'Reilly book to explain it! |
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| 23:07.12 | mindjuju | anybody know a good brainstorming app for application development? |
| 23:07.45 | macnewbold | freemind is one |
| 23:07.54 | macnewbold | I've heard good things about it from friends who use it |
| 23:07.56 | macnewbold | and like it a lot |
| 23:08.05 | fungus | you need a brainstorming app?? your brain isn't good enough?? |
| 23:08.18 | mindjuju | not when there are other team members |
| 23:08.21 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:09.38 | fungus | oh, you mean collaborative project planning. I get it. |
| 23:12.12 | mindjuju | freemind is looking quiet savory |
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