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| 00:34.05 | diskotec|w | anyone getting the new xbox in about 2 months? http://www.xbox.com/en-US/news/2005/0914-xbox360launchdates.htm |
| 00:34.39 | mindjuju|w | at $350 for the full or $200 for the lite? |
| 00:34.49 | mindjuju|w | nope, not until halo 3 comes out, then i'll buy it |
| 00:35.13 | mindjuju|w | plus, xbox when they first came out had big problems, so it'd be good to let the first few go and catch something a little later made |
| 00:35.39 | diskotec|w | yeah |
| 00:41.51 | tierra | na, I just sold my xbox to dataw0lf, can't wait that long and my boss might be buying the full one for me when it comes out |
| 00:42.16 | tierra | besides, now that I know DOA4 is coming out, I have to get my hands on it now |
| 00:42.30 | mindjuju|w | wha! man, i'll have to see if my boss will offer such a bonus |
| 00:42.55 | tierra | got a nice iPod mini last year =) |
| 00:45.43 | tierra | that's nice to here it'll be on shelves on the 22nd rather than on Black Friday though |
| 01:29.22 | diskotec|w | heh black friday....i purposely don't shop on that day. The money you are "supposed" to save on the sales isn't worth fighting traffic, crowds and long lines. |
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| 02:09.07 | mindjuju|w | stopped writing code for a minute to read the latest rumors on halo 3. sounds like they are planning multiplayer for 50 people. that would be really cool for capture the flag |
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| 03:55.41 | wps | thanks for your help last night |
| 03:55.44 | wps | it worked great |
| 03:55.50 | bigdog_ut | so you got it working then? |
| 03:55.55 | wps | yup |
| 03:56.06 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 03:56.13 | wps | 5.0.5 wasn't showing up for a bit and I was really confused, but that was because I just restarted apache instead of stopping it and then restarting it |
| 03:56.45 | bigdog_ut | oh yeah |
| 03:56.50 | bigdog_ut | you need to stop and start it |
| 04:27.58 | bigdog_ut | drewbono, u around? |
| 04:28.11 | drewbono | There you are. |
| 04:28.13 | drewbono | What up? |
| 04:28.26 | bigdog_ut | not much...you msged last night |
| 04:28.34 | drewbono | yeah. |
| 04:28.49 | drewbono | Was wondering if/when the next version of uphpu eclipse will be coming out. |
| 04:29.11 | bigdog_ut | not sure...what version you need? |
| 04:30.04 | drewbono | don't need a specific one, but I was gonna start using it but couldn't see any php support in it, just ruby. |
| 04:30.13 | drewbono | Of course, I'm on a mac, so I know it's untested. |
| 04:30.37 | bigdog_ut | there is not a really good php plugin...windows has one that is okay |
| 04:30.51 | bigdog_ut | basically i use colorer which gives the syntax hightlighting |
| 04:31.33 | bigdog_ut | xored does a php plugin that is really good but it is commercial |
| 04:31.52 | bigdog_ut | it has been buggy for a couple years, but the new one might be good |
| 04:32.00 | drewbono | so it won't auto complete php functions? |
| 04:32.05 | bigdog_ut | nope |
| 04:32.27 | bigdog_ut | xored commercial will |
| 04:32.40 | bigdog_ut | there are other commercial ones too...but i have not looked at them at all |
| 04:32.58 | bigdog_ut | python and ruby support in eclipse really rocks though |
| 04:33.02 | bigdog_ut | those plugins are nice |
| 04:33.18 | drewbono | Nice. |
| 04:33.24 | bigdog_ut | but seeing that zend studio is built with eclipse, most just purchase that |
| 04:34.54 | bigdog_ut | ecipse php plugin -> http://www.phpeclipse.de/tiki-view_articles.php |
| 04:36.04 | bigdog_ut | it also has a unit testing plugin too for php |
| 04:37.14 | bigdog_ut | maybe i might revisit phpeclispe and see how it works on linux |
| 04:37.56 | drewbono | thx for the info |
| 04:38.14 | bigdog_ut | but with eclispe you can have some killer plugins for ftp, sftp, ssh, webdav, subversion, and cvs |
| 04:38.24 | bigdog_ut | that allow you to work with code using those protos |
| 04:39.55 | bigdog_ut | there is also so good plugins for db stuff too |
| 04:40.03 | bigdog_ut | so you have it all right there in eclipse |
| 04:40.26 | bigdog_ut | drewbono, if you like i can tell you how to set it up real fast |
| 04:41.51 | drewbono | That'd be great. |
| 04:42.12 | drewbono | Or you might want to write up some instructions really quick for an article on the website so everyone can use it as a resource. |
| 04:42.27 | drewbono | brb |
| 04:42.40 | bigdog_ut | perhaps i might do that |
| 04:53.38 | mindjuju | so, CSS question |
| 04:53.58 | mindjuju | if i wanted to display data in tabular format, is there a cheap easy way to do this? |
| 04:54.10 | mindjuju | or do i have to write divs with specific widths? |
| 05:00.38 | mindjuju | oh well, since it is tabular data, i'll just use a table |
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| 06:32.12 | bigdog_ut | dont know mindjuju |
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| 14:19.00 | bigdog_ut | mornin all |
| 14:26.29 | wps | good morning |
| 14:27.34 | bigdog_ut | hello |
| 14:29.11 | macnewbold | morning! |
| 14:29.18 | macnewbold | what brings you here this early in the day, bigdog_ut? |
| 14:30.20 | bigdog_ut | working from home today |
| 14:32.30 | macnewbold | nice |
| 14:40.52 | bigdog_ut | hows everyone doing? |
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| 14:46.36 | bigdog_ut | so i guess i really dont miss much during the day |
| 14:55.16 | macnewbold | not this early in the morning... |
| 14:55.30 | macnewbold | the natives start getting restless usually about lunch time, and in mid-afternoon |
| 14:55.33 | macnewbold | then we're unstoppable |
| 14:55.40 | macnewbold | until everyone goes home, at least |
| 15:04.46 | bigdog_ut | oh man |
| 15:05.19 | bigdog_ut | anyone know of a good place to find contract templates? |
| 15:06.36 | feutetejsd | hey everybody, I have a question for you....I'm working on a project where I need to match data that is entered on a form (names of employees in a company) with names of employees in a database. Normally this would be simple, but I need to try to account somewhat for misspellings and variations on names (i.e. Steven vs. Stephen, John vs. Jon)...any ideas on how to go about this? |
| 15:11.57 | macnewbold | feutetejsd: using "like" can match shortened versions, |
| 15:12.05 | macnewbold | you could also check initials and stuff like that |
| 15:12.14 | macnewbold | if you've got other correlating info, like a zip code or something, |
| 15:12.16 | macnewbold | that can help too |
| 15:12.30 | macnewbold | another way to go about it is with measures of string similarity, |
| 15:12.50 | macnewbold | like levenstein or soundex |
| 15:13.08 | macnewbold | if you've got a human in the loop, it can prevent a lot of mistakes |
| 15:13.20 | macnewbold | but also be careful not to make it a privacy problem |
| 15:13.48 | macnewbold | i.e. if you find a possible match, don't ask the user "Is this your social security #? 123-45-6789" |
| 15:13.51 | macnewbold | and so forth |
| 15:14.17 | macnewbold | what privacy you want to maintain is debatable, and a policy decision more than a technical one |
| 15:14.20 | feutetejsd | right...this is all under the covers |
| 15:19.33 | feutetejsd | i've never used (or heard of) levenstein or soundex...what are they? |
| 15:31.42 | feutetejsd | also, the problem with "like" is that "like '%steve%'" won't match stephen, and if I shorten it to "like '%ste%'" I'll also match stewart and stefan.... |
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| 15:41.37 | bigdog_ut | feutetejsd, similar_text is a good php function too |
| 15:41.56 | feutetejsd | yeah, looking at php docs on these....I think this will be a great place to start |
| 15:42.01 | feutetejsd | thanks for the suggestions, guys |
| 15:42.22 | bigdog_ut | with similar_text(), soundex() and metaphone() should help |
| 15:43.05 | bigdog_ut | you could create keys for a users name and then search on the keys too |
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| 15:43.30 | bigdog_ut | so have a join table that references another table with sound keys |
| 15:44.56 | feutetejsd | cool. thanks again. That will be very helpful |
| 15:45.00 | feutetejsd | BTW, PHP rules |
| 15:47.17 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 15:47.19 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 15:47.24 | dataw0lf | PHP sux0rz! |
| 15:49.05 | macnewbold | ~lart dataw0lf |
| 15:49.47 | dataw0lf | Python > * |
| 15:51.44 | synic | amarok > python |
| 15:52.12 | bigdog_ut | gnome > kde |
| 15:52.25 | synic | indeed. |
| 15:52.28 | dataw0lf | xfce4 > gnome |
| 15:52.30 | synic | but amarok is t3h woot. |
| 15:52.40 | dataw0lf | amarok is teh gay |
| 15:52.42 | bigdog_ut | it sucks |
| 15:52.54 | synic | you're all gay. |
| 15:52.57 | bigdog_ut | synic, is all about the eye candy |
| 15:53.12 | synic | nope, it's all about the managability |
| 15:53.34 | synic | wtf, bigdog_ut's in here |
| 15:53.43 | synic | how's this happening? |
| 15:54.00 | bigdog_ut | cause the bigdog_ut is the nizzle my bizzle |
| 15:54.31 | synic | www.security-protocols.com/firefox-death.html <-- crashes firefox (I guess, didn't work on my box). |
| 15:55.48 | bigdog_ut | lol...how stupid |
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| 17:01.43 | synic | AMAROK RULES !! |
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| 17:02.06 | dataw0lf | XMMS FOPE LYFE! |
| 17:02.25 | jsmith | With which signal? |
| 17:02.28 | jsmith | Was it a kill -9? |
| 17:02.35 | synic | xmms is so the gayest app ever made by a bunch of monkeys. |
| 17:03.08 | dataw0lf | synic: U R GAY |
| 17:03.11 | dataw0lf | I H8 U |
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| 18:15.54 | mindjuju | what is the php command to nip off x amount of characters from the end of a string? |
| 18:15.54 | mindjuju | can't think of it off hand |
| 18:18.34 | macnewbold | mindjuju: substr(str, -$n) |
| 18:19.53 | macnewbold | or to get the first half, substr(str,0,length($str)-$n) |
| 18:19.53 | mindjuju | that's right, thnx! |
| 18:41.57 | bigdog_ut | im back |
| 18:42.05 | mindjuju | ~dhit bigdog_ut |
| 18:42.06 | jbot | ACTION appears right behind bigdog_ut and slaps him in the back of the head |
| 18:42.17 | mindjuju | thought you might need that |
| 18:43.05 | bigdog_ut | sure |
| 18:43.18 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:47.43 | bigdog_ut | im so cool |
| 18:47.54 | bigdog_ut | but i guess everyone knows that |
| 19:17.40 | bigdog_ut | man the new phpeclipse plugin is nice |
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| 20:14.04 | synic | too bad eclipse is t3h slow |
| 20:23.26 | dataw0lf | Java-- |
| 20:24.57 | mindjuju | ~philosophize |
| 20:25.01 | jbot | well, philosophize is this... Should vegetarians eat animal crackers? |
| 20:25.15 | mindjuju | ~philosophize |
| 20:25.17 | jbot | [philosophize] this... I wonder what hair color they put on the driver's licenses of bald men? |
| 20:25.35 | mindjuju | ~philosophize |
| 20:25.36 | jbot | somebody said philosophize was this... i'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal labotomy |
| 20:26.08 | dataw0lf | 1) No |
| 20:26.11 | dataw0lf | 2) Clear |
| 20:26.14 | dataw0lf | 3) I disagree |
| 20:29.21 | mindjuju | man, i'm feeling restless and don't feel like writing code anymore |
| 20:29.40 | mindjuju | for today, that is |
| 20:35.47 | fungus | me too. I'm gonna go for a walk. |
| 20:37.32 | mindjuju | that's a good idea... i was going to try to pick a fight with somebody in here like macnewbold, but your right, a walk sounds incredibly more productive |
| 20:37.58 | mindjuju | still though... |
| 20:38.05 | mindjuju | ~wiseguy macnewbold |
| 20:38.08 | jbot | ACTION runs up to macnewbold and pokes macnewbold in the eyes! |
| 20:39.15 | macnewbold | ~nyuk mindjuju |
| 20:39.16 | jbot | ACTION grabs mindjuju nose and hammers it with his other hand! |
| 20:39.38 | mindjuju | ~frenchassault macnewbold |
| 20:39.39 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! macnewbold is an English bedwetting type! macnewbold, I burst my pimples at you... You tiny-brained wipers of other people's bottoms! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a! |
| 20:39.44 | macnewbold | ~curse mindjuju |
| 20:39.45 | jbot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, mindjuju ! |
| 20:39.52 | macnewbold | ~lart mindjuju |
| 20:39.54 | mindjuju | ~zombify macnewbold |
| 20:39.55 | jbot | ACTION summons Bill Gates who materializes in front of macnewbold and using a Windows 3.11 diskette zombifiez macnewbold! macnewbold wonders off in a daze slobering |
| 20:39.55 | macnewbold | ~clue mindjuju |
| 20:39.57 | jbot | ACTION fans out Vegas-style a stack of clues for mindjuju "Pick one, any one! ...and don't show it to me." |
| 20:40.04 | mindjuju | ~macarena macnewbold |
| 20:40.07 | jbot | ACTION pulls out 100 megawatt PA speakers and starts to play that wonderful Macarena song on eternal repeat. macnewbold is hypnotized and starts to dance uncontrollably! |
| 20:40.10 | macnewbold | ~lart macarena |
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| 20:40.43 | mindjuju | ah, not feeling so restless anymore |
| 20:42.02 | macnewbold | ~shakespeare mindjuju |
| 20:42.03 | jbot | ACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: mindjuju - Would thou wert clean enough to spit upon! |
| 20:42.39 | mindjuju | hey now |
| 21:01.19 | mindjuju | man, what kind of world is this where a carjacker can't safely steal a car anymore? |
| 21:01.20 | mindjuju | http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46352 |
| 21:04.33 | mindjuju | with pic |
| 21:48.58 | com4 | look at his fingers |
| 21:49.02 | com4 | they're turning purple |
| 21:49.12 | com4 | coach has a kung fu grip |
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| 23:01.22 | bigdog_ut | man i have been scoping my new box |
| 23:01.33 | bigdog_ut | 2 xeon 2.8ghz, 2 gig ram |
| 23:01.37 | bigdog_ut | oh so nice |
| 23:09.38 | wps | what does "passed by reference" mean? |
| 23:12.45 | macnewbold | pass by reference means you're passing in a variable itself, not just the value that the variable holds |
| 23:12.50 | bigdog_ut | http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.references.php |
| 23:13.16 | macnewbold | if I pass in $str to function shorten(&$str), and change $str inside, it changes it outside too |
| 23:13.38 | macnewbold | if I don't use &, it passes by value, and changes happen only inside |
| 23:13.46 | macnewbold | and what bigdog_ut said |
| 23:14.04 | bigdog_ut | read that and it will make all the sense in the world |
| 23:14.06 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 23:15.01 | bigdog_ut | http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.references.pass.php |
| 23:15.21 | bigdog_ut | you can also return refs from functions |
| 23:15.35 | macnewbold | a reference is a particular memory location, basically, but normally it copies the value somewhere else instead of operating on the same location |
| 23:15.41 | macnewbold | it can be really handy |
| 23:15.59 | macnewbold | watch out though, because objects and some other things get passed as references all the time, and never by value. |
| 23:16.56 | wps | I guess I am confused as to where any passing is going on in that bit of code of mine |
| 23:18.16 | wps | nevermind |
| 23:19.07 | wps | saint chaos's code example on the mailing list made me understand |
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| 23:37.27 | macnewbold | jsmith: I'm still waiting for my copy of ~thebook to arrive |
| 23:37.48 | jsmith | I'm waiting for mine as well... |
| 23:38.37 | macnewbold | buy.com just says "sent to warehouse", like it did they day I ordered it |
| 23:39.18 | jsmith | All I know is that they're shipping from O'Reilly's warehouse, but they say most of the booksellers are really slow to get them in and then shipped out to customers. |
| 23:40.33 | macnewbold | slackers |
| 23:40.52 | macnewbold | they should know better with o'reilly - the geeks all want their stuff |
| 23:41.10 | jsmith | No kidding... |
| 23:41.20 | macnewbold | so how did you like the author thing? how was it working for o'reilly? |
| 23:41.32 | macnewbold | would you do it again or recommend others do it? |
| 23:41.44 | macnewbold | how did you get the contract to get your book published? |
| 23:42.42 | jsmith | (brb... on a phone call) |
| 23:50.41 | macnewbold | (brb... going home for the weekend. but this will stay open, and I'll read the log) |