| 00:00.26 | macnewbold | no, just old |
| 00:00.28 | macnewbold | it's still x86 |
| 00:00.53 | macnewbold | how'd you end up with that much ram and such a slow CPU? |
| 00:01.07 | macnewbold | most mobos that old didn't even dream of supporting 256MB, I thought |
| 00:01.37 | diskotec|w | I don't know...I believe the motherboard can't handle anymore. I got the machine from a bunch our I.S. people were going to trash |
| 00:02.05 | diskotec|w | This is one of the better machines. |
| 00:04.12 | diskotec|w | man....mindjuju's old machines are like 1.5 gightz. I think I'm on a 1.7 myself and besides our servers, thats one of the better computers we have. |
| 00:05.09 | macnewbold | my home box is a 500Mhz AMD K6-2-3D CPU |
| 00:05.31 | macnewbold | the other box at home that got stuck running win98 (don't ask) is an old P3-800 |
| 00:05.43 | macnewbold | and my laptop is a P3-800 too |
| 00:05.58 | tierra | heh |
| 00:06.07 | macnewbold | I've had the oldest one (500Mhz) for over 5.5 yrs now, and it wasn't close to top of the line when I got it, even |
| 00:06.38 | tierra | I've got a 1.6Ghz latop with 1gb ram, but it's currently out of commision while I wait on RMA on the 80gb drive |
| 00:07.00 | tierra | and I got that a year and a half ago |
| 00:07.27 | tierra | not very fond of working with older machines anymore |
| 00:08.19 | tierra | I did end up working on a P2 300Mhz, 64MB SDRAM (2 32MB sticks), 6gb drive the other day |
| 00:08.26 | tierra | horrid |
| 00:13.17 | macnewbold | yeah, I had a sweet mini-ITX from shuttle, 2.5ghz AMD Athlon XP, with 80GB hd, |
| 00:13.35 | macnewbold | but in a power outage, it got fried somehow, despite the surge protector |
| 00:13.48 | macnewbold | it went off for 10 sec, then the fans started up, but nothing :( |
| 00:14.04 | macnewbold | it's still sitting around at home, waiting for me to do a post-mortem and see if the HD is fried or okay |
| 00:14.14 | macnewbold | it's been like a year, maybe more |
| 00:15.06 | tierra | I'm fond of the micro-ATX Aria cases |
| 00:16.10 | tierra | mostly for the fact that's it's the first micro-ATX case to fit 3 3.5" internal bays along with a 300W power supply |
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| 00:16.47 | tierra | and it still manages less space than a good portion of micro-ATX cases |
| 00:23.42 | macnewbold | mine was good while it lasted... 1 CD-RW drive, a floppy drive, and an 80GB hard drive |
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| 04:37.51 | el_gaucho | whatz up all |
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| 17:08.12 | macnewbold | someone wake dataw0lf / o[-]o |
| 17:08.19 | macnewbold | we need to get the phlyte server installed... |
| 17:10.30 | mindjuju | mac says that dw loves George Bush and would vote for him another time if he could |
| 17:11.51 | mindjuju | hm... he must have stepped away from his box cause there is no way he could resist not responding to a statement like that |
| 17:12.00 | fungus | http://www.iamapirate.com/images/pictures/111343959.jpg |
| 17:26.04 | RyanE | Speaking of Pirates, next Monday is Talk Like a Pirate Day... http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html |
| 17:27.22 | mindjuju | that's amazing... i've got to find the ole' peg leg and go to work dressed up |
| 17:27.55 | RyanE | avast, ye mateys! |
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| 17:40.46 | drewbono | bigdog_ut: knock knock |
| 17:41.16 | mindjuju | i think he's still on IRC blackout |
| 17:41.21 | drewbono | Really? |
| 17:41.24 | drewbono | How long has he been out? |
| 17:41.37 | mindjuju | well, he comes on afterhours on the weekdays |
| 17:41.56 | mindjuju | like from 4:45p - 12a, on weekends, he's here during the day |
| 17:44.17 | mindjuju | i guess they did publish my picture in the article |
| 17:44.18 | mindjuju | http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,7369,1568664,00.html |
| 17:44.28 | mindjuju | that's me with my fist out having a cane snapped over it |
| 17:46.19 | drewbono | Nice. |
| 17:46.22 | drewbono | You're famous. :-) |
| 17:59.06 | mindjuju | for those of you who like to look at pictures while you eat lunch, read this article about cool places to view on google's earth |
| 17:59.06 | mindjuju | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/13/google_earth_threatens_democracy/ |
| 18:03.47 | mindjuju | the funniest thing eVAR... |
| 18:03.55 | mindjuju | Microsoft's Earth deletes Apple HQ |
| 18:03.59 | mindjuju | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/25/msn_earth_deletes_aple/ |
| 18:04.36 | mindjuju | on the MSN maps, they seem to be using a super old sat photo of where Apple computers HQ should be |
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| 18:18.55 | beandog | Ok |
| 18:19.02 | beandog | I either found a bug in PHP or .. |
| 18:19.07 | beandog | I'm coding this wrong. |
| 18:19.11 | beandog | Can someone test something for me? |
| 18:20.37 | mindjuju | sure, shoot (i'm running php on IIS 5.1) |
| 18:20.43 | beandog | Try this |
| 18:20.45 | beandog | create a blank array. |
| 18:20.49 | beandog | $arr = array(); |
| 18:20.56 | beandog | then unset $arr[0]; |
| 18:21.01 | beandog | and var_dump the array |
| 18:21.38 | beandog | On my box its CREATING $arr[0]; |
| 18:22.35 | beandog | Wait. |
| 18:22.36 | macnewbold | beandog: why are you _unsetting_ something that doesn't exist? |
| 18:22.37 | beandog | Now its not. |
| 18:22.38 | beandog | dangit. |
| 18:22.44 | beandog | Technically, its bad coding. |
| 18:22.50 | beandog | I'm unsetting it whether it exists or not. |
| 18:22.52 | macnewbold | I think it gives undefined results |
| 18:22.55 | beandog | Im not checking to see if its an array. |
| 18:22.56 | macnewbold | hm |
| 18:23.08 | macnewbold | may need to wrap it in isset() if the problem doesn't go away |
| 18:24.12 | beandog | Well, I know, Im not trying to work around my bad code. |
| 18:24.12 | beandog | I'm thinking theres a bug if I unset something in a non-existant part of the array, and it creates it. |
| 18:24.28 | beandog | man |
| 18:24.33 | beandog | Now I cant reproduce it. |
| 18:25.02 | beandog | Oh, my bad. |
| 18:25.03 | beandog | I was setting it. |
| 18:25.06 | beandog | typo. |
| 18:25.11 | beandog | if( = 0), not == |
| 18:26.05 | beandog | well, not a bug. |
| 18:26.09 | beandog | PHP is bug-free. :) |
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| 18:44.59 | macnewbold | whew |
| 18:45.01 | macnewbold | hey, jsmith |
| 18:45.05 | macnewbold | I ordered your book yesterday |
| 18:45.21 | macnewbold | you make the same royalties no matter how much they sell the book for on retail, right? |
| 18:45.44 | macnewbold | buy.com has it for $25 instead of $40 |
| 18:46.23 | macnewbold | actually, $23.73, plus about $2.40 to ship it |
| 18:54.56 | jsmith | Yeah, I make my fifty cents no matter where you buy it. |
| 18:55.48 | jsmith | Has Amazon update their website to say when it'll actually ship? |
| 18:55.53 | jsmith | s/update/updated/ |
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| 19:50.02 | beandog | aaagh |
| 19:50.03 | beandog | macnewbold: |
| 19:50.09 | beandog | how do you pull two fields into one with mssql? |
| 19:50.14 | mindjuju | ack! |
| 19:50.15 | beandog | concat, basically. |
| 19:51.40 | mindjuju | USE pubs |
| 19:51.40 | mindjuju | SELECT (au_lname + ', ' + au_fname) AS Name |
| 19:51.40 | mindjuju | FROM authors |
| 19:51.40 | mindjuju | ORDER BY au_lname ASC, au_fname ASC |
| 19:51.46 | mindjuju | Here is the result set: |
| 19:51.46 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.46 | mindjuju | Name |
| 19:51.46 | mindjuju | -------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 19:51.47 | mindjuju | Bennet, Abraham |
| 19:51.49 | mindjuju | Blotchet-Halls, Reginald |
| 19:51.51 | mindjuju | Carson, Cheryl |
| 19:51.53 | mindjuju | DeFrance, Michel |
| 19:52.18 | jsmith | Yuck... can't MSSQL use the one true SQL operator for concatenation? |
| 19:52.30 | beandog | mssql uses t-sql |
| 19:52.33 | beandog | isntead of ansi sql. |
| 19:52.38 | jsmith | Why even pretend to follow standands? |
| 19:52.51 | beandog | thanks mindjuju |
| 19:53.00 | beandog | I keep forgetting the syntax. |
| 19:53.01 | mindjuju | yup |
| 19:53.38 | beandog | bah |
| 19:53.41 | beandog | Its trying to convert it to int! |
| 19:53.57 | beandog | (customer.dealership + '-' + customer.dealershipcustomernumber) AS 'dlr-dcn' |
| 19:53.59 | macnewbold | beandog: mindjuju's the guy for MSSQL, I avoid it like the plague |
| 19:54.36 | beandog | Good for you :) |
| 19:55.22 | beandog | I tried a comma instead of a dash, and now it wants to convert that to an int. |
| 19:56.02 | beandog | Syntax error converting the varchar value ', ' to a column of data type int. |
| 19:56.05 | jsmith | mindjuju: OK, here's the killer MSSQL question, before I run to my 2:00 meeting... easiest way to get results 10 through 20 of result set, without cursors or UDFs... |
| 19:56.21 | fungus | SELECT CONCAT(customer.dealership, '-', customer.dealershipcustomernumber) |
| 19:56.45 | beandog | you select the top 10, ordering the 20 by something descending. |
| 19:56.56 | beandog | a subselect in your select. |
| 19:57.08 | fungus | eww |
| 19:57.19 | beandog | 'concat' is not a recognized function |
| 19:57.43 | beandog | fungus: seriously. thats the only way I know how. Or I use php's mssql_offset |
| 19:57.45 | fungus | doh, sorry, that MySQL |
| 19:57.52 | beandog | Oh |
| 19:57.53 | beandog | offset 10 |
| 19:58.05 | beandog | select * from table offset 10 |
| 19:58.16 | beandog | Oh, from the result set. |
| 19:58.23 | beandog | Im sure theres a mysql_something command for that. |
| 19:58.26 | beandog | mysql_seek? |
| 19:58.39 | macnewbold | sure |
| 19:58.48 | macnewbold | or you can do even better, and use limit |
| 19:58.50 | beandog | http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-data-seek.php |
| 19:58.56 | macnewbold | limit 10 will send you up to 10 results |
| 19:59.01 | macnewbold | or limit 10,20 |
| 19:59.04 | macnewbold | will send results 10-20 |
| 19:59.04 | beandog | right |
| 19:59.18 | beandog | mindjuju: any other ideas? :( |
| 19:59.27 | macnewbold | that's a more efficient and faster way |
| 20:00.04 | beandog | Oh wait. |
| 20:00.05 | beandog | I have it. |
| 20:00.12 | jsmith | macnewbold: limit doesn't work in MSSQL. |
| 20:00.17 | macnewbold | yeah, I know |
| 20:00.18 | beandog | (cast(customer.dealership as varchar) + ', ' + cast(customer.dealershipcustomernumber as varchar)) AS 'dlr-dcn' |
| 20:00.24 | macnewbold | he was talking about mysql_seek though, |
| 20:00.31 | macnewbold | so I thought he might have seen the light... |
| 20:00.34 | mindjuju | sorry, just entered conference call, uno momento por favor |
| 20:00.35 | beandog | mysql_data_seek |
| 20:00.40 | beandog | mindjuju: I got it, thx |
| 20:00.42 | jsmith | The only way I know to do it is to do two subselects using top, one of which is sorted opposite of the other. |
| 20:00.59 | jsmith | beandog: I meant with straight SQL -- nice to know PHP has a function for it though. |
| 20:01.03 | beandog | Oh |
| 20:01.04 | beandog | Offset then. |
| 20:01.07 | beandog | or limit |
| 20:01.10 | beandog | like mac said. |
| 20:16.43 | mindjuju | k, i'm back for a few minutes before i'm off to a meeting ... reading to find the question |
| 20:20.38 | mindjuju | hmmm pagniation, hmm... i've never personally had to deal with that as my people are more interested in aggregates, but i'm going to be writing a report that is going to list hundreds of clients that I could use a good pagination script for |
| 20:21.04 | mindjuju | if i write something clever, i'll post it |
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| 20:55.57 | fungus | heh, the original Google. |
| 20:55.58 | fungus | http://web.archive.org/web/19980502040909/google.stanford.edu/mvc-043f.jpg |
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| 21:57.51 | beandog | How many days are in May? 31? |
| 21:58.12 | macnewbold | yep |
| 21:58.22 | wps | count your knuckles |
| 21:58.26 | macnewbold | doh |
| 21:58.48 | macnewbold | it's long-short-long-short up to august |
| 21:59.01 | macnewbold | 1,3,5,7 are long, 2,4,6 short |
| 21:59.01 | wps | mountains and valleys… down and back… start with January and work your way across |
| 21:59.04 | beandog | Thats what I thought. |
| 21:59.10 | beandog | mssql is DYING if I select 2005-04-31 |
| 21:59.14 | macnewbold | then 8,10,12 are long, and 9 and 11 short |
| 21:59.14 | beandog | but not 2005-04-30. |
| 21:59.24 | beandog | oh wait |
| 21:59.25 | beandog | thats april. |
| 21:59.25 | macnewbold | right, april has 30 days |
| 21:59.26 | beandog | Man. |
| 21:59.26 | macnewbold | :) |
| 21:59.27 | beandog | Im hopeless. |
| 21:59.28 | macnewbold | :-D |
| 21:59.32 | beandog | heh |
| 21:59.34 | wps | :) |
| 21:59.39 | macnewbold | ~beandog++ |
| 21:59.46 | macnewbold | for being such great entertainment today |
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| 22:07.08 | beandog | thats what happens when you get 4 hours of sleep |
| 22:22.08 | macnewbold | it's not you, it's MSSQL |
| 22:22.14 | macnewbold | it's enough to drive anyone insane |
| 22:22.21 | macnewbold | just look at what happened to mindjuju |
| 22:22.30 | mindjuju | ~macnewbold |
| 22:22.32 | jbot | hmm... macnewbold is a self employeed code guru that is also known as the Big Daddy Mac |
| 22:22.56 | mindjuju | yeah, i'm insane and i put that in, so you can tell it's not true |
| 22:23.03 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:23.06 | macnewbold | ~mindjuju |
| 22:23.07 | jbot | i guess mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open |
| 22:24.53 | mindjuju | ~wps |
| 22:24.54 | jbot | hmm... wps is Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 22:25.30 | wps | ~wps' kid |
| 22:25.41 | wps | ~wade's kid |
| 22:25.43 | jbot | well, wade's kid is Junior Sexy Pants |
| 22:25.48 | macnewbold | nice |
| 22:25.50 | wps | ~wade's wife |
| 22:25.54 | jbot | [wade's wife] Mrs. Sexy Pants |
| 22:26.00 | macnewbold | ~who's your daddy |
| 22:26.02 | jbot | YOU are, Mr Sexy Pants! |
| 22:26.10 | wps | wait, I am Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 22:26.52 | wps | ~pants |
| 22:26.53 | jbot | Allows an individual to connect an internal LAN to the Internet.. URL: http://www.vu.union.edu/~pants/ |
| 22:27.01 | wps | ~sexy |
| 22:27.03 | jbot | great |
| 22:27.17 | macnewbold | hm |
| 22:32.30 | mindjuju | ~corban |
| 22:32.43 | mindjuju | jbot, corban is Spawn of Mindjuju |
| 22:32.44 | jbot | okay, mindjuju |
| 22:32.48 | mindjuju | ~corban |
| 22:32.49 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, corban is Spawn of Mindjuju |
| 22:33.07 | wps | ~[-] |
| 22:34.05 | mindjuju | jbot, corban is also has his own keyboard and mouse to play with |
| 22:34.06 | jbot | mindjuju: okay |
| 22:34.11 | mindjuju | ~corban |
| 22:34.13 | jbot | hmm... corban is Spawn of Mindjuju, or has his own keyboard and mouse to play with |
| 22:37.01 | macnewbold | oh, noes! he's spawning! |
| 22:38.35 | wps | wps doesn't actually have any posterity |
| 22:38.56 | mindjuju | what's wade's kid? |
| 22:39.07 | wps | just something that jbot knows |
| 22:39.33 | macnewbold | will have 3 by about December |
| 22:39.41 | mindjuju | congrats! |
| 22:39.54 | mindjuju | boy or girl? |
| 22:40.02 | macnewbold | another boy... 3 for 3 |
| 22:43.04 | com4 | you would make a pretty good chinese person |
| 22:44.26 | mindjuju | not sure i follow ? |
| 22:45.34 | wps | ~com4 |
| 22:45.56 | macnewbold | I think com4 means that in china, boys are highly desirable |
| 22:46.07 | wps | macnewbold, isn't Véreté a little southern for GUBUG? |
| 22:46.32 | macnewbold | it was the only place we could get :) |
| 22:46.36 | macnewbold | it's better than nothing |
| 22:46.42 | macnewbold | but yeah, it's a drive for most of us |
| 22:46.48 | wps | true, true |
| 22:47.12 | wps | they are a good support of OS |
| 22:47.23 | wps | s/support/supporter |
| 22:47.33 | wps | s/OS/OSS |
| 22:47.52 | macnewbold | s/s\//?/ |
| 22:47.56 | wps | (probably should have just started that sentence over) |
| 22:48.00 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 22:48.09 | macnewbold | yeah, I think there's a limit of 3 s// |
| 22:49.43 | mindjuju | 10 minutes to 5p, think i'll start pink floyd early today |
| 22:52.16 | beandog | whose having a kid? |
| 22:52.38 | mindjuju | macnewbold is |
| 22:52.41 | mindjuju | in december |
| 22:52.49 | beandog | oh cool |
| 22:52.50 | beandog | congrats |
| 22:52.50 | macnewbold | my wife is |
| 22:52.59 | mindjuju | rumor has it, they are going to call the boy mindjuju, i think it is a fine name |
| 22:53.00 | mindjuju | ! |
| 22:54.52 | mindjuju | ~rumor |
| 22:54.54 | jbot | it has been said that rumor is you're a homobot |
| 22:55.16 | mindjuju | ~rumor |
| 22:55.18 | jbot | methinks rumor is you're a homobot |
| 22:55.32 | wps | ~jbot's girlfriend |
| 22:55.33 | jbot | hmm... jbot's girlfriend is macnewbold |
| 22:55.37 | beandog | heh |
| 22:55.41 | macnewbold | ~slap jbot |
| 22:55.43 | jbot | ACTION slaps jbot, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:55.43 | macnewbold | ~slap wps |
| 22:55.45 | jbot | ACTION slaps wps, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:55.45 | wps | I forgot about that |
| 22:55.57 | macnewbold | ~no, jbot's girlfriend is <reply> see wade's wife |
| 22:56.08 | mindjuju | scandalous! |
| 22:56.10 | macnewbold | ~jbot's girlfriend |
| 22:56.11 | jbot | [jbot's girlfriend] macnewbold |
| 22:56.14 | macnewbold | doh |
| 22:56.19 | wps | HA HA HA |
| 22:56.24 | macnewbold | jbot, no, jbot's girlfriend is <reply> see wade's wife |
| 22:56.25 | jbot | macnewbold: okay |
| 22:56.30 | macnewbold | ~jbot's girlfriend |
| 22:56.31 | jbot | i guess wade's wife is Mrs. Sexy Pants |
| 22:56.41 | macnewbold | ha |
| 22:56.57 | beandog | ~beandog |
| 22:56.58 | jbot | you are, like, cool |
| 22:57.13 | macnewbold | ~beandog |
| 22:57.14 | jbot | rumour has it, beandog is cool |
| 22:57.18 | macnewbold | hm |
| 22:57.21 | macnewbold | ~macnewbold |
| 22:57.22 | jbot | you are probably a self employeed code guru that is also known as the Big Daddy Mac |
| 22:57.51 | wps | jbot, no jbot's girlfriend is a snowblower |
| 22:57.52 | jbot | wps: okay |
| 22:58.18 | macnewbold | ~netbsd toaster |
| 22:58.45 | macnewbold | jbot, netbsd toaster is http://www.embeddedarm.com/news/netbsd_toaster.htm |
| 22:58.47 | jbot | macnewbold: okay |
| 22:59.12 | mindjuju | jbot, jbot's girlfriend is also jbot often two times with the fembots of austin powers |
| 22:59.13 | jbot | okay, mindjuju |
| 22:59.18 | macnewbold | jbot, no, jbot's girlfriend is a toaster: http://www.embeddedarm.com/news/netbsd_toaster.htm |
| 22:59.20 | jbot | macnewbold: okay |
| 22:59.20 | mindjuju | ~jbot's girlfriend |
| 22:59.22 | jbot | well, jbot's girlfriend is a toaster: http://www.embeddedarm.com/news/netbsd_toaster.htm |
| 22:59.38 | mindjuju | ? |
| 23:00.03 | mindjuju | jbot, jbot's girlfriend is also jbot often two times with the fembots of austin powers |
| 23:00.04 | jbot | okay, mindjuju |
| 23:00.10 | mindjuju | ~jbot's girlfriend |
| 23:00.12 | jbot | i guess jbot's girlfriend is a toaster: http://www.embeddedarm.com/news/netbsd_toaster.htm, or jbot often two times with the fembots of austin powers |
| 23:01.05 | macnewbold | ~ibot's girlfriend |
| 23:01.16 | macnewbold | ~jbot |
| 23:01.17 | jbot | methinks jbot is dumb |
| 23:01.17 | macnewbold | ~ibot |
| 23:01.19 | jbot | [ibot] a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 23:01.29 | macnewbold | ~no, jbot is ibot's stupid cousin |
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| 23:18.36 | diskotec|w | ~yow |
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