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| 15:27.24 | wps | UPHPU server uptime: 09:21:41 up 213 days, 19:58, 2 users, load average: 2.12, 1.37, 1.09 |
| 15:27.28 | wps | wahoo |
| 15:27.29 | wps | go linux |
| 15:27.51 | jsmith | wps: Has it been up that long? Man... time sure flies... |
| 15:27.59 | wps | for sure! |
| 15:28.26 | wps | yeah, it's been seven months |
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| 15:30.04 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 15:30.06 | wps | UPHPU server uptime: 09:29:41 up 0 days, 00:01, 2 users, load average: 2.12, 1.37, 1.09 |
| 15:30.16 | dataw0lf | hawt |
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| 15:30.28 | dataw0lf | hehe |
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| 15:30.34 | wps | stop it |
| 15:31.13 | wps | seriously though, it make me proud to know think about sweet linux servers that just sit there chugging along day after day doing their job |
| 15:31.28 | dataw0lf | 'know think' |
| 15:31.55 | wps | yes, it's contemplation on a higher plain |
| 15:32.03 | dataw0lf | I know-think all day long |
| 15:42.02 | RyanE | I just think-I-know all day long. Much easier. |
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| 22:39.09 | jsmith | blah |
| 22:40.36 | macnewbold | howdy, jsmith |
| 22:41.06 | jsmith | macnewbold! |
| 22:41.43 | macnewbold | quick question for you: about how much would it cost to get a quick/cheap/easy asterisk setup running? say 2-4 phone lines, and 3-8 extensions? |
| 22:41.48 | macnewbold | (ballpark) |
| 22:42.01 | jsmith | Just the server, or phones too? |
| 22:42.21 | macnewbold | server, and phones separately. and are there monthly fees involved with running an asterisk setup, other than internet access? |
| 22:42.44 | jsmith | Nope. |
| 22:42.47 | macnewbold | (I may be mis-thinking... asterisk can do voip, right?) |
| 22:42.47 | jsmith | It's open-source, man. |
| 22:43.08 | macnewbold | how much does it cost to get phone numbers? |
| 22:43.10 | jsmith | Now if you want your calls to come in over VoIP, then you'll need to pay some VoIP phone company. |
| 22:43.10 | fungus | macnewbold, depends on your method of connection to the outside world. |
| 22:43.20 | macnewbold | ah, okay, like vonage or something? |
| 22:43.20 | jsmith | macnewbold: It all depends on what you want and/or need. |
| 22:43.32 | jsmith | macnewbold: Yeah. (They're not my favorite, but everyone has heard of them) |
| 22:43.34 | macnewbold | say we wanted to completely replace our landline system |
| 22:43.38 | macnewbold | who do you like best? |
| 22:44.25 | fungus | I heard that Vonage doesn't support SIP (Asterisk), it only works with their hardware. |
| 22:44.50 | macnewbold | ah |
| 22:45.16 | fungus | but there are plenty other providers that *do* work with Asterisk |
| 22:45.31 | macnewbold | someone was telling my partner that voip was prohibitively expensive unless you were going with a really big setup... and it sounded like BS to me, but wanted some facts to throw back |
| 22:49.59 | fungus | I doubt that, but I am no expert. |
| 22:50.12 | jsmith | macnewbold: It all depends on what you're trying to do. |
| 22:50.34 | macnewbold | what do you need to know? |
| 22:50.43 | jsmith | macnewbold: Number of lines (or concurrent calls), mostly inbound or mostly outbound, toll-free, etc. |
| 22:50.43 | fungus | Our setup currently uses Voip on the inside, and a few voice T-1's for outside stuff. |
| 22:51.08 | macnewbold | we've got about 4 desks that each need a phone, right now max 2 concurrent calls/lines, but we'd probably move to three someday, maybe 4 tops |
| 22:51.19 | macnewbold | about half in and half out, no tollfree |
| 22:54.12 | jsmith | macnewbold: About $200 in hardware costs for the telephony card if you're going to use regular phone lines, or approximately 2 to 3 cents per minute if using VoIP. |
| 22:54.46 | jsmith | macnewbold: Then add a server, a little programming, a copy of my book (shameless plug), and a few IP phones, and you're set. |
| 22:54.57 | macnewbold | price range on the IP phones? |
| 22:56.05 | jsmith | Free (software phone that runs on your PC) to around $300 (for a nice Cisco IP phone) |
| 22:56.35 | macnewbold | what's the low end on the hardware phones? |
| 22:56.40 | macnewbold | (decent, but not pricey) |
| 22:56.57 | fungus | You can get some slightly used cisco IP phones on ebay for about 100-150. |
| 22:57.13 | jsmith | Or some Polycoms for around $100 or so. |
| 22:57.26 | jsmith | Don't go cheap and buy the BudgeTones... they're too cheap. |
| 22:57.41 | macnewbold | cool |
| 22:57.57 | jsmith | The Polycom IP600s are nice... |
| 22:58.33 | macnewbold | any requirements on the server? Assume we're going voip if it matters |
| 22:58.56 | macnewbold | can it be any *nix server on our network? |
| 22:59.07 | jsmith | At least 2GHz, 2.6 kernel, and not doing a lot of I/O. |
| 22:59.26 | jsmith | You could share it with other services (apache, db, etc.) but it's not recommended. |
| 22:59.28 | fungus | It will run on FreeBSD too. |
| 22:59.38 | macnewbold | fungus: my plans exactly :-D |
| 22:59.39 | jsmith | fungus: Well, sort of... |
| 22:59.54 | jsmith | The hardware drivers don't work on FreeBSD yet (afaik) |
| 23:00.01 | fungus | Just don't get the latest version of the T-1 card from digium, no freebsd drivers yet. :( |
| 23:00.28 | macnewbold | if we're VOIP, the digium hw doesn't matter though, right? |
| 23:00.30 | jsmith | fungus: So have the T1 cards in a linux box, and then have it send the calls over IAX to your FreeBSD box. |
| 23:00.35 | jsmith | macnewbold: Nope. |
| 23:00.56 | macnewbold | what voip provider(s) do you recommend? |
| 23:00.58 | fungus | jsmith, good idea, but I was trying to avoid linux at all. |
| 23:01.04 | macnewbold | and is all of this in your book? ;) |
| 23:01.58 | jsmith | macnewbold: I've used a bunch... NuFone knows what they're up to, but they're swamped with service requests, so their customer service is slow. |
| 23:02.24 | jsmith | macnewbold: I've heard good reports on BroadVoice and SixTel, but haven't personally made a whole lot of calls with either. |
| 23:02.37 | jsmith | macnewbold: Go buy a copy and find out :-) |
| 23:02.39 | jsmith | ~book |
| 23:02.40 | jbot | methinks book is on the table |
| 23:02.48 | jsmith | ~the book |
| 23:03.01 | macnewbold | ~thebook |
| 23:03.02 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, thebook is Asterisk: The Future of Telephony by Jim Van Meggelen, Jared Smith & Leif Madsen, published by O'Reilly Media. It can be found at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/asterisk |
| 23:03.07 | jsmith | There we go. |
| 23:03.10 | macnewbold | ~thebook++ |
| 23:03.16 | macnewbold | ~jsmith++ |
| 23:03.37 | macnewbold | oy, it must stink to have jvm for your initials... |
| 23:03.43 | macnewbold | at least in our profession... |
| 23:04.07 | jsmith | Yeah, but Jim takes it well... |
| 23:07.44 | fungus | gotta brag. I got Gnome 2.12 running on FreeBSD 6.0B4 right now. :) |
| 23:08.41 | macnewbold | darn early adopters.... |
| 23:08.48 | macnewbold | It's -STABLE for me |
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| 23:09.44 | fungus | I am almost thinking of jumping head first into -CURRENT for my desktop. |
| 23:51.55 | diskotec|w | what is everyone's bsd of choice here? |
| 23:52.39 | diskotec|w | I'm considering net or free on an older machine. |
| 23:53.32 | tierra | NoBSD |
| 23:55.23 | fungus | depends on what it will be used for. |
| 23:55.50 | fungus | Net for strange hardware, Open for high security obsession, Free for everything else. |
| 23:56.44 | macnewbold | diskotec|w: freeBSD all the way, except for odd hardware that it doesn't support |
| 23:56.54 | macnewbold | I can't think of a single good reason to use Open over FreeBSD |
| 23:57.09 | macnewbold | I have heard good things about pcbsd, if you're into that |
| 23:57.34 | macnewbold | BTW, anyone looking for jsmith's asterisk book can find it for under $25 (list is $40!) at buy.com |
| 23:58.18 | diskotec|w | well...this is a Gateway slimline pentium 366 with 256 meg of RAM. I'm thinking that might be odd hardware? |