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| 04:17.06 | bigdog_ut | top of the evenin to ya all |
| 04:18.39 | RyanE_ | howdy |
| 04:19.18 | bigdog_ut | whatz up RyanE man? |
| 04:19.30 | dataw0lf- | how you guys doing? |
| 04:19.37 | dataw0lf- | sup my brotha. |
| 04:20.24 | RyanE | good, good. |
| 04:20.45 | bigdog_ut | not too bad..just another night of work |
| 04:21.06 | dataw0lf- | o_O |
| 04:21.32 | RyanE | bigdog_ut: doing contract work? PHP? |
| 04:21.33 | dataw0lf- | dude, I'm on my way to being a cyborg, don't hate. |
| 04:21.41 | RyanE | hehe |
| 04:21.41 | bigdog_ut | watch out RyanE dataw0lf- might like that |
| 04:21.51 | bigdog_ut | RyanE, yeah that is all i do right now |
| 04:21.54 | RyanE | fridge magnets are probably pretty dang handy. |
| 04:22.04 | bigdog_ut | but hoping to get into some app stuff here in a little |
| 04:22.04 | RyanE | I did a ton of it last year, kind of burned out. |
| 04:22.19 | RyanE | the FT job is enough for now. |
| 04:22.48 | RyanE | I had an awesome T&M contract last year through a friend, but it finally ended before he found a different job. |
| 04:22.53 | bigdog_ut | yeah...im just trying to pay some bills and get some cash for a new car |
| 04:23.13 | dataw0lf- | man, I'm trying to get some Python contracts, if you guys hear anything, lemme know. |
| 04:23.42 | diskotec|w | bigdog: i thought you were looking to buy a new computer. weren't you trying to start a bigdog needs a new computer fund? |
| 04:23.59 | dataw0lf- | he's lying, the guy makes more money than probably any two of us combined. |
| 04:24.19 | bigdog_ut | yeah...datawolf- did not support the fund and thus it fell apart |
| 04:24.19 | RyanE | don't rich guys need cars and new computers? :) |
| 04:24.53 | dataw0lf- | Hey, I'm relatively rich for my age, and I don't even own a car. |
| 04:24.54 | diskotec|w | oooh... a computer built into a car.... I see |
| 04:24.54 | dataw0lf- | well. |
| 04:24.56 | dataw0lf- | I do. |
| 04:24.58 | bigdog_ut | yes RyanE they do...but dataw0lf- is correct i make probably what 2-3 of you make together |
| 04:25.04 | dataw0lf- | but my ex fiancee used the power of attorney I gave her to grab it from me. |
| 04:25.22 | bigdog_ut | and drive it all over germany |
| 04:25.33 | RyanE | I make what 2-3 of you make together also, as long as you pick the right 2-3. :) |
| 04:25.43 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 04:25.44 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
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| 04:26.42 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: hehe. |
| 04:26.53 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: how much do you make? You don't have to answer that. |
| 04:27.00 | RyanE | enough |
| 04:27.05 | dataw0lf- | I'm just curious how I compare to people. |
| 04:27.14 | dataw0lf- | and whether I'm making enough. |
| 04:27.26 | RyanE | me too, but I might not be the right person to compare. I've been a FT programmer for 13 years. |
| 04:27.37 | diskotec|w | well....all you are like a Forbes in money making compared to my salary |
| 04:27.40 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf-, i think you should make about 55-65k |
| 04:27.47 | dataw0lf- | bigdog_ut: sweet. |
| 04:27.56 | dataw0lf- | I'm making 58k + contracts. |
| 04:28.00 | RyanE | besides, I don't push my salary on IRC... against my policy. |
| 04:28.01 | dataw0lf- | so I'm right there. |
| 04:28.22 | bigdog_ut | yeah...education might get u in the higher end |
| 04:28.29 | dataw0lf- | pssh. |
| 04:28.34 | bigdog_ut | but also take into account the co that you are at |
| 04:28.36 | RyanE | oh yea, plus BS in CS, '93'. |
| 04:28.37 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: I totally respect that. |
| 04:28.49 | RyanE | I don't make double your base, quite. |
| 04:29.18 | RyanE | and I don't do contracts right now. |
| 04:29.20 | dataw0lf- | word, well I'm not a FT programmer either. |
| 04:29.22 | RyanE | good enough answer? |
| 04:29.23 | dataw0lf- | only contracts. |
| 04:29.29 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: yup, sounds bout right too. |
| 04:29.40 | bigdog_ut | programmers in utah usually make more than most sys admins |
| 04:29.53 | bigdog_ut | not sure why..but it seems that way |
| 04:29.56 | dataw0lf- | yeah, that's what I hear. |
| 04:30.01 | dataw0lf- | opposite in Chicago. |
| 04:30.07 | dataw0lf- | well, it really depends on the position. |
| 04:30.18 | bigdog_ut | however, there is one sys admin around the corner from you dataw0lf- that makes bank |
| 04:30.29 | dataw0lf- | who's that? |
| 04:30.43 | dataw0lf- | hey, I'm only 23, I'm content with my situation currently. |
| 04:30.44 | bigdog_ut | he works at comp health and is like a debian guru |
| 04:30.50 | dataw0lf- | pssh, and I'm not?? |
| 04:31.07 | bigdog_ut | dude...he use to be a core debian dev |
| 04:31.08 | dataw0lf- | I don't work at a very large company. |
| 04:31.09 | RyanE | but my contract over the past year was about $14k, which was a nice bonus. |
| 04:31.29 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: Last year I averaged about 11k from contracts, not too shabby. |
| 04:31.35 | dataw0lf- | well |
| 04:31.37 | dataw0lf- | maybe less than that. |
| 04:31.41 | dataw0lf- | I can't recall. |
| 04:31.55 | bigdog_ut | mine are 3-5k month |
| 04:31.58 | dataw0lf- | bigdog_ut: well, I certainly was never a _core_ debian developer, that's for sure. |
| 04:32.20 | dataw0lf- | and it wouldn't necessarily call some of the core developers 'Debian gurus', as weird as it sounds. |
| 04:32.27 | bigdog_ut | yeah, he did was a senior admin at nasa...got burned out left and now in utah |
| 04:32.38 | bigdog_ut | i asked him about it...he never did tell me though |
| 04:32.58 | diskotec|w | they probably kicked him out for doing irc at work |
| 04:33.07 | diskotec|w | :) |
| 04:33.11 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 04:33.28 | diskotec|w | punks ;) |
| 04:33.46 | bigdog_ut | he is really good though...talented with voip |
| 04:33.48 | RyanE | hehe dang IRCers... |
| 04:33.57 | bigdog_ut | man do i know |
| 04:35.02 | diskotec|w | well...i was refering to "the man" watching network traffic and blowing the horn on irc'ers |
| 04:35.14 | diskotec|w | heh |
| 04:35.27 | dataw0lf- | >_> |
| 04:35.30 | dataw0lf- | <_< |
| 04:35.50 | dataw0lf- | hey, I might have a solution for you in a couple days to IRC. |
| 04:36.04 | diskotec|w | well...i'm done for the night. catch you guys tomorrow. |
| 04:36.09 | bigdog_ut | night |
| 04:36.15 | bigdog_ut | slacker |
| 04:36.32 | bigdog_ut | diskotec|w, is such a slacker...get that man a contract to work on |
| 04:36.35 | dataw0lf- | g'night diskotec|w |
| 04:36.59 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: so have you tackled Python yet? |
| 04:37.32 | RyanE | dataw0lf: not yet. No time. |
| 04:37.39 | dataw0lf- | cool. |
| 04:37.47 | bigdog_ut | im thinking of doing my next gui app in python |
| 04:37.48 | dataw0lf- | I think you'd like it. Alot. |
| 04:37.53 | dataw0lf- | bigdog_ut: wxPython? |
| 04:38.05 | dataw0lf- | eco gave an excellent presentation on it at the last URAPUG meeting. |
| 04:38.10 | bigdog_ut | not sure yet on the windows part |
| 04:38.24 | dataw0lf- | whaddya mean 'windows' part? |
| 04:38.27 | bigdog_ut | but i was thinking of python for the backend |
| 04:38.28 | dataw0lf- | Windows as a platform? |
| 04:38.34 | bigdog_ut | wx or gnome |
| 04:38.36 | dataw0lf- | or do you widget set / library? |
| 04:38.37 | bigdog_ut | gtk |
| 04:38.40 | dataw0lf- | +mean |
| 04:38.46 | dataw0lf- | use wxPython. |
| 04:38.54 | dataw0lf- | it uses the native library. |
| 04:38.56 | dataw0lf- | eco: correct? |
| 04:39.07 | bigdog_ut | native libs for windows? |
| 04:39.16 | bigdog_ut | so i dont need to install anything but python? |
| 04:39.32 | eco | No |
| 04:40.00 | eco | You still have to install wxPython but it will use the native GUI (real windows controls rather than the fake ones GTK+ uses). |
| 04:40.20 | bigdog_ut | oh then i will do that then |
| 04:40.34 | dataw0lf- | eco: got slides / example code for him from the presentation? |
| 04:40.41 | bigdog_ut | that also make me laugh eco |
| 04:40.50 | bigdog_ut | i told the contact at the pub about your review |
| 04:40.55 | bigdog_ut | gave her the url and all |
| 04:40.57 | eco | Let me see... |
| 04:41.11 | bigdog_ut | so then she emails me back saying she is sending me out another copy of the book |
| 04:41.21 | bigdog_ut | so i email back and say...here is my address |
| 04:41.25 | dataw0lf- | bigdog_ut: OMG PLZ LET ME HAVE IT |
| 04:41.32 | bigdog_ut | not sure man |
| 04:41.44 | bigdog_ut | maybe i can get 2 |
| 04:41.46 | bigdog_ut | copies |
| 04:41.48 | eco | Why are you getting another copy? |
| 04:41.50 | dataw0lf- | PLZ SIR PLZ |
| 04:41.52 | dataw0lf- | if you don't |
| 04:41.55 | dataw0lf- | see #urapug |
| 04:42.34 | dataw0lf- | bigdog_ut: did you see my new site design? |
| 04:42.46 | bigdog_ut | yes |
| 04:42.57 | dataw0lf- | k |
| 04:43.20 | dataw0lf- | I'm wondering how useful it'd be to put up a Tru64 4.0f OSF/1 ported Python up on my site. |
| 04:43.27 | dataw0lf- | Wonder how many people would download that. |
| 04:43.29 | dataw0lf- | -1 |
| 04:43.32 | dataw0lf- | mebbe |
| 04:43.59 | bigdog_ut | not sure |
| 04:44.10 | bigdog_ut | tru64 is not too popular for the desktop |
| 04:44.13 | dataw0lf- | hehe |
| 04:44.19 | dataw0lf- | it's not too popular period. |
| 04:44.32 | eco | Slides and small program I wrote during the talk (text editor): http://gnuk.net/~eco/wxpython-talk/ |
| 04:44.37 | eco | Not sure how useful the slides are though. |
| 04:44.43 | dataw0lf- | anytime I mention Tru64, even amongst nixheads, they have no idea what I'm talking about, usually. |
| 04:45.42 | dataw0lf- | and I was pretty excited about getting that very, very expensive Tru64 Systems Engineer certificate so quickly, but now I'm thinking somebody will look at it and think I design missiles or something. |
| 04:45.51 | bigdog_ut | lol..i have no idea what you talk about 3/4 the time |
| 04:46.09 | dataw0lf- | that's cuz you're only here |
| 04:46.17 | dataw0lf- | ;) |
| 04:46.28 | dataw0lf- | Just joking, I <3 you, bigdog |
| 04:46.39 | bigdog_ut | oh i konw |
| 04:48.46 | bigdog_ut | eco, can you use glade to create wx windows? |
| 04:49.41 | bigdog_ut | eco, what is py2exe? |
| 04:49.57 | bigdog_ut | nic pic dataw0lf- |
| 04:50.09 | bigdog_ut | choo choo!!!! |
| 04:50.48 | dataw0lf- | that bastard. |
| 04:50.49 | dataw0lf- | err. |
| 04:50.52 | dataw0lf- | sorry for the language. |
| 04:51.07 | eco | Hehe, that was a pretty unexpected departure. |
| 04:51.20 | RyanE | you'd think he'd get all the time in he could, while not at work. |
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| 04:51.39 | eco | Wrong button? |
| 04:51.40 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: hehe, and there heis. |
| 04:51.46 | dataw0lf- | he is* |
| 04:51.48 | dataw0lf- | http://dataw0lf.phonese.cx/comments.php?669 |
| 04:51.58 | bigdog_ut | man that sucked |
| 04:52.08 | dataw0lf- | bigdog_ut: moral: don't explain to a girl what 'moblog' on your phone means. |
| 04:52.25 | bigdog_ut | what did i miss? |
| 04:52.36 | dataw0lf- | and then pass out next to her because it's 2 in the morning and you have to go to work in 4 hours. |
| 04:52.37 | bigdog_ut | eco...i did not get any answers |
| 04:52.44 | dataw0lf- | and leave your phone unguarded |
| 04:52.57 | eco | bigdog_ut: No, but you can use wxglade or any of the other wx window designers out there. |
| 04:53.15 | eco | py2exe turns a python script into a standalone executable. |
| 04:53.16 | bigdog_ut | and i can use that with wxpython? |
| 04:53.18 | eco | I've never used it though. |
| 04:53.27 | bigdog_ut | oh, i might have to check it out then |
| 04:53.44 | bigdog_ut | i have a customer that i need to do some gui stuff and i want to use python and wx |
| 04:53.45 | eco | wxglade outputs XRC files which pretty close in idea to what glade does. |
| 04:54.00 | eco | Some designers will even output python code directly (wxDesigner for instance). |
| 04:54.30 | bigdog_ut | sounds cool |
| 04:54.43 | bigdog_ut | ill need to check it out |
| 04:54.43 | eco | I use Dialog Blocks myself but that isn't quite as useful for python programs. It does XRC but the C/C++ code generation it does is better. |
| 04:54.46 | eco | Also, it costs money. |
| 04:54.59 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: you attended BYU, yeah? |
| 04:55.07 | RyanE | yep |
| 04:55.11 | dataw0lf- | word. |
| 04:55.21 | dataw0lf- | so did my ... 'girlfriend' ? I dunno what to call her. |
| 04:55.33 | RyanE | gee, howd' you know? 5 kids? Suburban? :) |
| 04:56.00 | dataw0lf- | nah, I just remembered you mentioning something about it in #utah. |
| 04:56.00 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 04:56.03 | dataw0lf- | she's a bright girl, though. |
| 04:56.05 | eco | Any C++ programmers out there know of a unicode library that doesn't suck as much as ICU (which is amazingly full featured with unicode but its text formatting sucks). |
| 04:56.08 | eco | ? |
| 04:57.00 | dataw0lf- | eco: http://www.basistech.com/unicode/ |
| 04:57.30 | dataw0lf- | never used it. |
| 04:57.35 | dataw0lf- | I've used ICU with C before. |
| 04:57.51 | dataw0lf- | and I thought it was pretty good *shrug* |
| 04:57.59 | eco | With C it probably rocks. |
| 04:58.45 | dataw0lf- | yeah, I thought it was nice. |
| 04:58.49 | dataw0lf- | I didn't use it extensively though. |
| 04:59.06 | eco | But the C++ interface feels like a horrible mutant of the Java, with C-isms thrown in, in an attempt to completely confuse the user. |
| 04:59.57 | dataw0lf- | but, yeah, so Becky knows Java. |
| 05:00.03 | dataw0lf- | and tried to convince me that it's a decent language. |
| 05:00.08 | dataw0lf- | almost ended the relationship right there. |
| 05:00.25 | RyanE | hehe |
| 05:00.42 | eco | Like, you have to create an object for format strings which takes a format string similar to printf but you have to also create an array of arguments to stuff into the formatting. |
| 05:00.45 | RyanE | fortunately, the wife doesn't program, and doesn't know Java... |
| 05:01.02 | eco | Their example of using the string formatter takes like 12 lines just to format one string. |
| 05:02.16 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 05:02.30 | eco | Oh well, back to std::string for me. It's not like my app actually needs unicode support anytime soon. |
| 05:02.39 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: hehe |
| 05:04.27 | RyanE | dataw0lf: does she have long brown hair? |
| 05:04.30 | dataw0lf- | she's a Communications B.S., so it isn't like she really knows anything. ;) |
| 05:04.36 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: nope, short brown hair |
| 05:04.46 | dataw0lf- | she graduated 2 or so years ago. |
| 05:06.17 | RyanE | dataw0lf: had to ask. My first major crush was on a girl named Becky with long, brown hair... Would've been '81. :) |
| 05:11.15 | dataw0lf- | oh, hehe. |
| 05:11.22 | dataw0lf- | nah, she's only 25 ;) |
| 05:11.26 | dataw0lf- | you old fart. |
| 05:11.42 | RyanE | I didn't figure she was the 37 YO I knew. :) |
| 05:11.47 | dataw0lf- | hehe |
| 05:12.07 | dataw0lf- | my Becky lived in Florida for most of her life. |
| 05:12.19 | dataw0lf- | But her parents are both Utah born, very strict LDS. |
| 05:12.29 | dataw0lf- | Although they seem to like me despite my... well, you know. |
| 05:12.33 | dataw0lf- | non-LDS looks |
| 05:12.34 | dataw0lf- | ;) |
| 05:13.03 | RyanE | hehe... yeah, you're just slightly non-mainstream. |
| 05:13.08 | dataw0lf- | hehe |
| 05:13.53 | dataw0lf- | well, I'm getting a haircut tomorrow, that's one step in the right direction I guess. |
| 05:13.54 | dataw0lf- | ;) |
| 05:13.59 | dataw0lf- | This long hair is driving me crazy. |
| 05:14.34 | RyanE | I can't let my hair grow too long... I start looking like Bozo the clown, but not so much orange. |
| 05:14.47 | dataw0lf- | haha. |
| 05:14.56 | dataw0lf- | Well, I'm pretty hawt no matter what my hair length. |
| 05:15.00 | dataw0lf- | o_O |
| 05:15.09 | dataw0lf- | eco: oh, no, tierra wants me to show him how to setup LVM |
| 05:15.20 | dataw0lf- | smack some sense into this kid. |
| 05:16.34 | RyanE | sense? not using LVM, or not having you teach him? |
| 05:17.22 | RyanE | I dig LVM. Quite handy on the MythTV box. |
| 05:17.23 | dataw0lf- | he has no need for LVM. |
| 05:17.44 | eco | Why not? |
| 05:17.58 | bigdog_ut | i got 2 drives waiting for it when set it up |
| 05:18.07 | eco | I'm using it and I'm loving it. |
| 05:18.09 | bigdog_ut | 2 250g |
| 05:18.29 | dataw0lf- | it complicates various tasks. |
| 05:18.36 | dataw0lf- | especially recovery. |
| 05:18.37 | RyanE | mine are 2 120s. I want to get a couple of 250-300's but I don't have a good enough excuse yet. :) |
| 05:18.41 | dataw0lf- | which he seems to be doing quite a bit of. |
| 05:18.56 | RyanE | yeah, my MythTV box I don't really care if it gets wiped (not that it has yet). |
| 05:19.25 | dataw0lf- | I'm throwing two 250 gig Seagate Barracudas on my new box |
| 05:19.45 | dataw0lf- | I mean, don't get me wrong, LVMs are cool in basically any setup. |
| 05:19.59 | dataw0lf- | personally, I think they can unnecessarily complicate most setups. |
| 05:20.08 | dataw0lf- | I just don't like how people just use stuff for the cool/wow factor. |
| 05:20.14 | dataw0lf- | I'm a sys admin. |
| 05:20.16 | dataw0lf- | simple == better |
| 05:20.27 | RyanE | yep. I can see that point. |
| 05:20.33 | RyanE | simple == less cool |
| 05:20.38 | dataw0lf- | I use LVM on all my servers at work, for the most part, but I NEED it. |
| 05:20.41 | RyanE | less geek factor |
| 05:20.48 | dataw0lf- | yeah, I guess. |
| 05:20.52 | eco | Well, a mission critical setup would have real backups as well. |
| 05:21.01 | dataw0lf- | I've gone beyond the 'playing with linux to get more cool stuff' |
| 05:21.01 | eco | It does complicate stuff but I thing the benefit can be worth it. |
| 05:21.09 | dataw0lf- | _can_ |
| 05:21.11 | dataw0lf- | keyword there. |
| 05:21.45 | eco | s/can/is usually |
| 05:22.06 | dataw0lf- | you ricers. |
| 05:22.20 | RyanE | hehe |
| 05:22.39 | eco | Hooray for ad hominem! |
| 05:22.40 | RyanE | I'm not a ricer. |
| 05:22.48 | dataw0lf- | eco: you ARE talking to dataw0lf here. |
| 05:22.51 | dataw0lf- | jeez. |
| 05:22.53 | eco | Hehe, true. |
| 05:23.10 | dataw0lf- | ad hominem is my first, last and only resort. |
| 05:23.16 | dataw0lf- | I only make real points when I have a real point to make. |
| 05:23.28 | dataw0lf- | (not very often) |
| 05:23.37 | RyanE | I do like setting up geeky stuff, but my LVM on the MythTV was pretty *necessary* |
| 05:23.55 | dataw0lf- | I'll tell you what I need. |
| 05:23.59 | dataw0lf- | a bigger hard drive in my brain. |
| 05:24.04 | dataw0lf- | I'm starting to overwrite stuff. |
| 05:24.20 | dataw0lf- | I'm confusing more and more things seems like. |
| 05:24.28 | eco | I want to write a MythTV replacement. I've been playing with Edje and family to see if it is up to the challenge. |
| 05:24.40 | dataw0lf- | eco: In Python I hope. |
| 05:24.49 | dataw0lf- | eco: we should finish IF first ;) |
| 05:25.18 | eco | I want to but it lacks python bindings. I've considered SWIGing them myself. It'd be nice to know SWIG as well. |
| 05:25.28 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: you need to do alot of online resizing on your MythTV box or what? |
| 05:25.40 | dataw0lf- | eco: I know SWIG. |
| 05:25.59 | RyanE | no, but the data directory for the TV captures is one directory, and the LVM makes it pretty easy to have a single volume mounted on that mount point. |
| 05:26.09 | eco | I know basic SWIG but I'm not at the "bind a massive library" level. |
| 05:26.10 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: gotcha. |
| 05:26.11 | RyanE | and I could only afford some 120's |
| 05:26.21 | dataw0lf- | word. |
| 05:26.25 | RyanE | If I could afford a 1T disk, I wouldn't need LVM |
| 05:26.38 | dataw0lf- | who's producing 1T disks? |
| 05:26.54 | RyanE | (theoretical) |
| 05:27.06 | dataw0lf- | Maybe Lacie or somebody. |
| 05:27.18 | dataw0lf- | but I h8 Lacie. |
| 05:27.49 | dataw0lf- | I'll tell you what. |
| 05:27.57 | RyanE | I've also wanted to setup a largish RAID storage Fileserver and just putting the Myth / Fileserver / Webserver stuff all onit |
| 05:28.00 | dataw0lf- | I never knew I'd know so much about storage before I started working at Aero-Graphics. |
| 05:28.06 | RyanE | but then it's the eggs in 1 basket. |
| 05:28.13 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: yeah |
| 05:28.15 | eco | Also, IF needs some focus. Right now, this project sounds more fun to work on since I know exactly what I want. With IF, I don't know what you or com4 are wanting. I'm going to work on it IF, of course, but my attention is going to be on whatever interests me more. |
| 05:28.26 | eco | I've just been toying with the idea anyway. |
| 05:28.36 | eco | No real work or time has been invested in it. |
| 05:28.40 | dataw0lf- | eco: We really do need to get some focus. |
| 05:28.56 | dataw0lf- | But com4 is stupid and never comes down to SLC. |
| 05:29.09 | dataw0lf- | You know. |
| 05:29.12 | RyanE | com4? |
| 05:29.30 | dataw0lf- | I bet if we all sat down and came up with a CSS layout/design for IF, the ideas would start flowing programming wise. |
| 05:29.34 | eco | Honestly, IRC works well enough. We just need to set some time aside to brainstorm and hammer out some ideas. |
| 05:29.46 | eco | Well, design wouldn't work well over IRC. |
| 05:29.50 | dataw0lf- | com4 is part of the 2600 / DC801 invasion crew here in #uphpu |
| 05:29.50 | eco | (Visual design) |
| 05:29.54 | dataw0lf- | eco: that's the whole point. |
| 05:30.30 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: friend of ours who is helping on the development of IF and is, unfortunately, a Slackware lover. |
| 05:30.31 | dataw0lf- | ;) |
| 05:30.33 | eco | I think you are right though. Having an interface to right the backend for sounds a lot easier than trying to predicte what IF needs. |
| 05:30.40 | RyanE | aha |
| 05:30.43 | dataw0lf- | Very bright guy regarding Linux and programming. |
| 05:30.56 | dataw0lf- | eco: yeah, I've been thinking about it. |
| 05:31.13 | dataw0lf- | eco: and now that I got tech support again to help me at work I'm going to have more time to devote to personal projects. |
| 05:31.25 | dataw0lf- | and I've basically cut down my Ubuntu involvement to a minimum. |
| 05:31.30 | eco | Sadly, I probably won't do any more programming outside of work until I move. |
| 05:31.32 | dataw0lf- | so that's out of the way now. |
| 05:31.43 | dataw0lf- | eco: you need to get a laptop. |
| 05:31.50 | eco | I need money first. |
| 05:31.59 | dataw0lf- | sell your body on State Street. |
| 05:32.02 | eco | I probably shouldn't have done a $7,000 down payment on that car... |
| 05:32.04 | dataw0lf- | You could make at least 50 cents a day. |
| 05:32.16 | dataw0lf- | eco: yeah, well, it's going to help you in the long run. |
| 05:32.21 | eco | Pff, I'd make at least 75 cents. |
| 05:32.22 | dataw0lf- | in regards to being able to save up the money for a laptop. |
| 05:33.01 | eco | I'd just buy one on credit if my job was more secure. |
| 05:33.06 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: we basically have our own 'project crew', currently a bit stagnant. But we got some bright guys in our crew. |
| 05:33.13 | dataw0lf- | Yeah... |
| 05:33.24 | dataw0lf- | I've been telling tierra he needs to write up a resume and start interviewing for other positions. |
| 05:33.33 | dataw0lf- | I think you guys are going to be kinda screwed for a while, the way it sounds. |
| 05:33.35 | eco | It's only stagant because we don't want to step on each others toes implementing stuff that hasn't been discussed. |
| 05:33.41 | dataw0lf- | Yeah. |
| 05:33.47 | dataw0lf- | It's not like we are lazy or anything. |
| 05:34.01 | dataw0lf- | It's just we're all trying to go through the door at the same time, and then stopped. |
| 05:35.13 | eco | We definately need to design something soon though. |
| 05:35.19 | RyanE | tchau. Bedtime... I've got to get some actual work done tomorrow. |
| 05:35.31 | bigdog_ut | night |
| 05:38.10 | eco | One of us should probably just make a preliminary design which will spark some brainstorming. |
| 05:39.08 | dataw0lf- | RyanE_away: g'night. |
| 05:39.32 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: well, it's looking like I have to do a design for Never Never (Scott and Dave's band) |
| 05:39.39 | dataw0lf- | err s/RyanE/eco |
| 05:39.49 | dataw0lf- | plus the URAPUG site design |
| 05:39.58 | dataw0lf- | PLUS an internal web site design for work |
| 05:40.06 | dataw0lf- | PLUS hone my own personal site |
| 05:40.27 | dataw0lf- | so it's like, damn, I still have alot of personal projects. |
| 05:40.30 | dataw0lf- | And I can do them. |
| 05:40.42 | dataw0lf- | but com4 is going to help me with URAPUG and Never Never |
| 05:40.58 | dataw0lf- | and I should probably teach Harm some HTML/CSS design at work. |
| 05:41.02 | dataw0lf- | just because. |
| 05:41.08 | dataw0lf- | I dunno. |
| 05:41.17 | dataw0lf- | I'd much rather have all three of us together coming up with a design. |
| 05:41.27 | dataw0lf- | Sketched out on a whiteboard or paper first. |
| 05:41.39 | dataw0lf- | then dig into the actual CSS/HTML |
| 05:41.44 | dataw0lf- | but, anyways, I gotta get some sleep. |
| 05:41.49 | dataw0lf- | g'night eco |
| 05:41.53 | dataw0lf- | g'night bigdog_ut |
| 05:41.54 | eco | 'night. |
| 05:42.07 | bigdog_ut | night |
| 06:46.33 | wps | doesn't exit() in a javascript script mean that it should cease execution right there? |
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| 13:35.36 | dataw0lf | g'morning everyone |
| 13:37.02 | RyanE | morning, dw |
| 13:38.03 | dataw0lf | what's up RyanE, my agreeable brother. |
| 13:38.31 | RyanE | nada, just arrived at work. |
| 13:38.39 | RyanE | still considering *working* |
| 13:39.23 | dataw0lf | same here hehe |
| 13:40.34 | RyanE | the problem is, I have some documentation to update, and I just *hate* doing that, but it needs to be done today. |
| 13:40.43 | RyanE | I'd much rather just go ahead and code some more |
| 13:41.15 | dataw0lf | ahh. |
| 13:41.32 | dataw0lf | yeah, I'm writing up some server scripts. |
| 13:41.43 | dataw0lf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.46 | dataw0lf | so |
| 13:41.57 | dataw0lf | apparently Mike Brown doesn't have a TV, radio, the internet, or any friends. |
| 13:42.12 | dataw0lf | I mean who DOESN'T know that people have been crowded in the convention center. |
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| 15:01.05 | beandog | wps you around |
| 15:01.22 | wps | i am |
| 15:01.27 | beandog | pm? |
| 15:01.35 | wps | huh? |
| 15:09.32 | dataw0lf | priv msg |
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| 16:39.06 | beandog | Is anyone here really good at regular expressions |
| 16:39.16 | beandog | meh, I should just mail the list. |
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| 16:41.50 | macnewbold | beandog: we're here |
| 16:43.03 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
| 16:46.03 | beandog | heh |
| 16:46.09 | beandog | macnewbold: are you a regexp expert :) |
| 16:46.14 | macnewbold | sure, why not |
| 16:48.15 | macnewbold | you got regexp issues, beandog? |
| 16:51.01 | beandog | yah, sorry, I keep coming and going |
| 16:51.12 | beandog | Ive written a pattern to standardize addresses |
| 16:51.23 | beandog | and they are all working great, except for n, s, e ,w. |
| 16:51.29 | beandog | For example |
| 16:51.38 | beandog | wheres the pattern.. |
| 16:51.39 | beandog | brb |
| 16:52.01 | beandog | '/\bs(o(uth)?)?\b\.?/i' |
| 16:52.10 | beandog | Changes everything to just S. |
| 16:52.13 | beandog | or whatever. |
| 16:52.24 | beandog | The problem Im having is the word boundary (\b) is also including stuff like ' |
| 16:52.29 | beandog | So if you have Ann's Street |
| 16:52.33 | beandog | Its becoming Ann'S St. |
| 16:54.14 | fungus | I'm curious, what are you doing to need to parse the Address line? |
| 16:54.31 | beandog | huh? |
| 16:54.35 | beandog | Oh, sending out mailers. |
| 16:54.36 | macnewbold | beandog: yeah, ' is part of the word boundary thing |
| 16:54.57 | beandog | Standardizing helps us de-dupe addresses. |
| 16:55.03 | macnewbold | right |
| 16:55.04 | beandog | So if we have "123 Main Street" and "123 Main St." |
| 16:55.14 | beandog | they both become "123 Main St." and I have 1 unique address. |
| 16:55.29 | macnewbold | you can probably use a "negative lookahead assertion" |
| 16:55.30 | fungus | oh, do you have a lot of duplicates? |
| 16:55.34 | beandog | Yes |
| 16:55.39 | macnewbold | you'll have to find it in perldoc or the man page |
| 16:55.41 | beandog | we do data warehousing for car dealerships |
| 16:55.50 | beandog | And what they do is instead of looking up the old customer, they create a new one many times. |
| 16:55.54 | macnewbold | ah, so you're the ones that spam me about buying new cars... |
| 16:55.55 | beandog | And so there are a LOT of duplicates. |
| 16:55.58 | beandog | And we get to clean them out. |
| 16:56.00 | macnewbold | can you delete me from your list? |
| 16:56.04 | beandog | Heh. |
| 16:56.24 | beandog | We track an internal do not mail and do not call for dealerships |
| 16:56.31 | beandog | So if you dont want to receive anything, just tell the dealership. |
| 16:56.56 | beandog | And we only send out mailers to current customers |
| 16:56.57 | macnewbold | oh, it's from all sorts of dealerships |
| 16:57.02 | macnewbold | like the credit is preapproved offers |
| 16:57.14 | beandog | Actually, we send out very few SALES mailers. |
| 16:57.22 | beandog | Theyre mostly, "your care is due for its 6000 mile checkup" |
| 16:57.29 | macnewbold | oh, nevermind then |
| 16:57.32 | macnewbold | :( |
| 16:57.57 | beandog | Yah, thats what I was afraid of, doing the negative lookahead whatever thing. |
| 16:58.01 | beandog | I tried doing my own |
| 16:58.09 | beandog | Where I would put in all the possibilities, which isn't hard. |
| 16:58.18 | beandog | But the problem I ran into is if there was a space, I was always trimming it. |
| 16:58.19 | macnewbold | yeah, the negative lookahead isn't that bad |
| 16:58.31 | beandog | so 123 So. Main St. would becom 123S Main St. |
| 16:58.39 | macnewbold | actually, how about this: |
| 16:58.51 | macnewbold | before your \b, check for [^'] |
| 16:59.00 | beandog | Hmm |
| 16:59.01 | macnewbold | since \b is a zero-width assertion |
| 16:59.09 | beandog | before the \b |
| 16:59.18 | beandog | sec |
| 17:01.33 | mindjuju | man, i'm having regex nightmares too and i haven't done regex in months |
| 17:01.47 | mindjuju | trying to return all the junk in between <tr></tr> |
| 17:02.08 | mindjuju | which could include any character or further HTML script |
| 17:02.27 | beandog | its still dropping the space in front of it. |
| 17:02.41 | beandog | But it did fix the Name's |
| 17:02.41 | RyanE | beandog: doesnt USPS have a canonicalizer on their website? |
| 17:02.50 | beandog | I dunno. |
| 17:02.54 | beandog | I found the abbreviations |
| 17:03.15 | beandog | But I need an expression of my own to parse hundreds of thousands of addresses. |
| 17:04.37 | beandog | It wasnt that hard to write, either. |
| 17:04.39 | RyanE | beandog: what language are you using? |
| 17:04.43 | beandog | Its just this last one thats giving me problems. |
| 17:04.44 | beandog | php |
| 17:07.32 | beandog | preg_replace is great when you use arrays |
| 17:10.34 | beandog | isnt there some website with all these regexp examples? I cant find it |
| 17:20.13 | macnewbold | mindjuju: the matching <tr> and </tr>, or from one <tr> to the next </tr> (i.e. even if there's anothe <tr> in between) |
| 17:20.47 | macnewbold | beandog: can you give me an example of dropping the space in front of it? |
| 17:20.49 | macnewbold | I think I know why |
| 17:21.19 | macnewbold | try putting ([^']) in the front and in the replacement, add $1 at the beginning |
| 17:21.31 | macnewbold | it would drop whatever the [^'] matched |
| 17:21.37 | macnewbold | unless you reinsert it in the replacement text, beandog |
| 17:21.47 | beandog | Im gonna try the negative lookbehind. |
| 17:21.52 | beandog | gimme a second. |
| 17:21.56 | macnewbold | okay |
| 17:22.07 | beandog | Im swamped here today. |
| 17:22.10 | mindjuju | k, i'm feeling a little bit better about, just wrote a quick php app to allow me to put in a regex string and test some text to see if it is found. |
| 17:22.46 | macnewbold | nice |
| 17:23.14 | mindjuju | yeah, i'm actually searching for <tr><td><b>Bob and some other html </b></td></tr> but not <tr><td>Steve and some other html</td></tr> |
| 17:23.22 | macnewbold | be careful about escaping and such, and that someone could really bog down your server with a weird regexp |
| 17:23.43 | macnewbold | does the td have to be the only cell in the row? |
| 17:24.34 | mindjuju | nope, it could have multiple cells |
| 17:24.39 | macnewbold | ah |
| 17:24.47 | macnewbold | sounds like you want an html parser... :) |
| 17:25.08 | mindjuju | so should be quiet easy but i've been writting sql queries all week and can't get it out of my brain!!! |
| 17:25.32 | macnewbold | hehe |
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| 17:33.45 | beandog | That did it. |
| 17:33.49 | macnewbold | sweet |
| 17:33.49 | beandog | Thanks guys |
| 17:33.51 | macnewbold | good work |
| 17:33.55 | macnewbold | what's your final regexp? |
| 17:33.59 | beandog | /(?=\')\bs(o(uth)?)?\b\.?/i |
| 17:34.09 | beandog | $str = "123 So Main's South S So. Street"; |
| 17:34.16 | beandog | 123 So Main's South S So. St. |
| 17:34.30 | macnewbold | nice |
| 17:34.35 | beandog | Im not catching So ... for some reason I cant remember now. |
| 17:34.51 | beandog | er wait. |
| 17:34.54 | beandog | now its not working. |
| 17:34.54 | beandog | dangit. |
| 17:35.00 | macnewbold | if you have So without a period after it, then it won't catch it |
| 17:35.11 | beandog | Those strings are identical. |
| 17:35.12 | beandog | bleh. |
| 17:35.16 | macnewbold | cause it requires \. to be there |
| 17:36.56 | beandog | (?!<\')\bs(o(uth)?)?\b\.? |
| 17:36.59 | beandog | That *should* work. |
| 17:37.21 | beandog | its returning 123 S Main'S S S S St. |
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| 17:42.50 | beandog | What would the actual pattern of \b be |
| 17:45.07 | macnewbold | it's a zero-width assertion that matches if one side of the \b is a word char (\w) and the other side is a non-word char(\W) |
| 17:46.14 | beandog | this is confusing. |
| 17:46.58 | dataw0lf | Welcome to life. |
| 17:47.01 | dataw0lf | Morning everyone. |
| 17:47.27 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: hey, dude, I waited at your work for 15 minutes, I wasn't going to be able to come to the Phlyte meeting so I was just going to throw the server in real quick. |
| 17:48.12 | beandog | I think the problem here is the \b is seeing the ' |
| 17:48.22 | beandog | So the negative lookahead/behind wouldnt really help |
| 18:02.50 | diskotec|w | did anyone hear/read about Al Sharpton claiming racism because if the people in the Superdome area were white, everyone would have been taken care of by now. That is what I heard from a friend, I'm still trying to find a source. |
| 18:09.33 | beandog | Good grief. |
| 18:09.39 | beandog | I dont know WHY I didnt think of this before. |
| 18:09.42 | beandog | macnewbold: look at this |
| 18:09.51 | macnewbold | k |
| 18:10.00 | beandog | I just added this to the end of the array to match |
| 18:10.03 | beandog | '/\'S/', |
| 18:10.08 | beandog | and replace it with 's |
| 18:10.10 | beandog | :B |
| 18:10.15 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: sorry I missed you... I was there until 6:10pm, and back at 6:45pm, but didn't see you |
| 18:10.21 | macnewbold | I'm way sorry |
| 18:10.55 | macnewbold | beandog: the boundary between ' and s _should_ match \b - that's correct |
| 18:11.23 | macnewbold | you're doing case-insensitive search, though, right? |
| 18:11.28 | beandog | Yah |
| 18:11.33 | beandog | Let me show you the whole pattern |
| 18:11.33 | beandog | hold on |
| 18:12.09 | macnewbold | then what's it gong to do to change 'S to 's |
| 18:12.09 | macnewbold | ? |
| 18:12.19 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: you still there? |
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| 18:22.09 | beandog | Well |
| 18:22.13 | beandog | the pattern is an array |
| 18:22.20 | beandog | so is the replacement |
| 18:22.33 | beandog | So its going to run the first replace |
| 18:22.42 | beandog | then if the 2nd one is after that one, it will run that on the FIXED string. |
| 18:22.56 | beandog | So it goes: Main's => Main'S => Main's |
| 18:23.21 | beandog | Plus thats how you run 25 different patterns or whatever on one string at once. |
| 18:23.29 | beandog | is by using arrays in preg_replace |
| 18:23.43 | beandog | though the input can be a string or an array, and returns the same. |
| 18:24.42 | beandog | http://wonkabar.org/reg.address.phps |
| 18:24.59 | beandog | PO Box is the fun one to standardize, heh. :) |
| 18:26.58 | beandog | there you go macnewbold |
| 18:36.59 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: Yeah. |
| 18:37.09 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: gotta leave in a few for physical / PT test for IRR. |
| 18:37.10 | macnewbold | cool |
| 18:37.14 | macnewbold | what'd I do? |
| 18:37.18 | dataw0lf | sorry I missed your call. |
| 18:37.22 | macnewbold | no prob |
| 18:37.42 | macnewbold | beandog: I've got one for doing pobox if you want |
| 18:37.44 | dataw0lf | I found out that there way too many fires to be aputting out to stay for the meeting so I thought I'd just throw the server in real quick. |
| 18:37.47 | dataw0lf | and I didn't have your number. |
| 18:37.48 | macnewbold | it's not bad |
| 18:37.53 | macnewbold | doh |
| 18:47.43 | beandog | I already have one, but sure, Ill take a look |
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| 19:22.49 | wps | I have never understood why websites need to be closed or under construction |
| 19:22.52 | wps | such as this: http://www.gap-underconstruction.com/closure.asp |
| 19:22.55 | wps | that is so tacky |
| 19:23.24 | wps | why not dev on a dev server and let the users continue to browse the old site until you are ready to launch the new? |
| 19:24.00 | wps | it only takes a few seconds to then load up the new when it is done being developed or being tested |
| 19:38.26 | fungus | Perhaps they had to upgrade their backend immediately, which broke the current store. Now they are reprogramming the new site. |
| 19:52.51 | Utah_Dave | yeah, under construction pages are stupid. |
| 19:53.47 | fungus | I agree, but I am trying to reach for a decent reason. |
| 19:58.36 | Utah_Dave | I think people have seen other's do it and don't think for themselves how dumb it looks |
| 20:08.20 | beandog | Im sure we can blame it on them running IIS |
| 20:08.23 | beandog | Which is always mistake #1 |
| 20:08.52 | beandog | Which usually leads to mistake #2, running ASP |
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| 22:55.15 | diskotec|w | in a <table> is it possible to make a data cell <td> a certain percentage in width that won't affect any cells above it or below it? |
| 22:55.45 | diskotec|w | (I'm having problems lining things up) |
| 22:55.53 | diskotec|w | (...the way I want) |
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| 23:54.50 | mindjuju | dw, you around? |