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| 00:11.26 | cycokilr | Hey folks.. In case anyone's interested.. There's a small IT services provider in Utah county that's looking for someone to manage their customer's networks & workstations.. It's a lot of Windows Server 2003 and XP stuff.. A little linux every once in a while.. |
| 00:11.55 | cycokilr | They're probably talkin' about 15 - 20 hours a week.. They don't pay too bad either.. |
| 00:12.05 | cycokilr | If anyone is interested, let me know.. |
| 00:21.56 | cycokilr | Utah County.. |
| 00:22.15 | cycokilr | they have clients all over there.. mostly orem/provo.. but some in springville & spanish fork.. |
| 00:22.25 | cycokilr | one or two in slc.. (they pay mileage) |
| 00:22.43 | Utah_Dav1 | so it's travelling to clients' sites |
| 00:23.00 | cycokilr | if required.. some of the stuff can be done with rdp |
| 00:23.24 | cycokilr | or they have a remote support tool they use, kinda like vnc.. i think it's citrix based.. |
| 00:24.47 | Utah_Dav1 | my brother is looking for something like that. He's in school. what kind of schedule do they need/want? |
| 00:25.43 | cycokilr | they're pretty easy going with the schedule.. you can pretty much pick when you want to work.. they do it on a contractor type basis.. |
| 00:27.44 | Utah_Dav1 | do you know what the salary range is? |
| 00:28.18 | cycokilr | not really.. |
| 00:28.38 | cycokilr | they've paid me pretty well the times i've worked for them.. |
| 00:29.02 | cycokilr | but i wouldn't want to say without talking to them first.. |
| 00:29.12 | cycokilr | in fact, i can call him right now.. |
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| 00:43.38 | cycokilr | Utah_Dav1: hey, i got ahold of that guy.. |
| 00:43.59 | cycokilr | he's saying around 14 - 18 / hour depending on skills and such.. |
| 00:45.18 | cycokilr | it really ends up being a lot of spyware/virus cleanups.. program installs.. sharing files on the server.. adding new user accounts.. etc.. |
| 00:45.49 | cycokilr | nothing real serious.. he has a guy that sets up the servers when they get installed.. |
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| 01:10.30 | Utah_Dav1 | cycokilr: I think my brother would be interested in that. could you send me the contact info? |
| 01:11.14 | cycokilr | have him call me.. |
| 01:11.39 | Utah_Dav1 | ok |
| 01:13.06 | cycokilr | i can talk to him better about the work and stuff like that.. and Jared (the owner) wanted me to talk to anyone that was interested just to fill them in on what they do first.. |
| 01:13.32 | cycokilr | since they'd pretty much be replacing me.. |
| 01:13.32 | Utah_Dav1 | sounds good |
| 01:13.36 | cycokilr | cool.. |
| 01:13.43 | Utah_Dav1 | did you find a new job? |
| 01:14.14 | cycokilr | not really.. same company.. they picked up a big php job.. i'm moving over to that full time for them.. |
| 01:14.33 | cycokilr | some kinda online music site for indy artists.. should be pretty cool.. |
| 01:14.42 | cycokilr | or indie if you prefer.. |
| 01:16.10 | Utah_Dav1 | cool |
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| 02:54.29 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf-, you around? |
| 02:55.17 | dataw0lf- | unfortunately. |
| 02:55.42 | bigdog_ut | what you dont want to chat w/ the bigdog_ut ? |
| 02:56.36 | dataw0lf- | no, I just wish I had something better to do on a Wednesday night rather than program. |
| 02:56.48 | bigdog_ut | welcome to my work |
| 02:57.09 | bigdog_ut | you have any links on ubuntu upgrades? |
| 02:57.47 | dataw0lf- | 'ubuntu upgrades'? what do you mean? |
| 02:58.46 | bigdog_ut | i installed ubuntu 4.10 warty i guess...there is a newer version right? |
| 02:59.03 | dataw0lf- | Yes. |
| 02:59.39 | dataw0lf- | switch out the warty repos in your /etc/apt/sources.list with hoary repos |
| 02:59.48 | dataw0lf- | and do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:00.04 | bigdog_ut | where can i find the hoary repos listed? |
| 03:00.50 | dataw0lf- | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe main restricted multiverse |
| 03:01.18 | dataw0lf- | deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted universe |
| 03:01.35 | dataw0lf- | those should be the only ones you need for right now |
| 03:01.46 | bigdog_ut | cool |
| 03:01.49 | bigdog_ut | let me do that |
| 03:02.13 | bigdog_ut | i wanted to try out just the server, but it did not give me that option so i got the desktop i think |
| 03:04.18 | dataw0lf- | yeah, warty didn't have that option. |
| 03:04.27 | bigdog_ut | oh man! |
| 03:05.12 | dataw0lf- | oh, remember to do a sudo apt-get update |
| 03:05.26 | dataw0lf- | (before you dist-upgrade) |
| 03:07.03 | bigdog_ut | okay |
| 03:07.20 | bigdog_ut | is it cool to comment out the other ones in the sources file |
| 03:07.48 | dataw0lf- | Yeah. |
| 03:08.04 | bigdog_ut | man my pipe is fat tonight |
| 03:08.15 | bigdog_ut | lol...im tired...that does not sound to good |
| 03:08.31 | bigdog_ut | and here we go with the upgrade |
| 03:08.50 | dataw0lf- | you just installed Ubuntu so I imagine you won't have many problems |
| 03:08.53 | dataw0lf- | and it'll probably be quick |
| 03:08.59 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 03:09.00 | dataw0lf- | 20 to 30 minutes. |
| 03:09.02 | dataw0lf- | if that. |
| 03:09.04 | bigdog_ut | 704 upgraded, 154 newly installed, 15 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 03:09.18 | dataw0lf- | Yeah, that isn't too bad. |
| 03:09.43 | bigdog_ut | i did it last night...i have a spare box just sitting here...so i figured i would set up a server |
| 03:09.52 | dataw0lf- | word. |
| 03:10.13 | bigdog_ut | i thought about freebsd...then thought...no that suckz |
| 03:10.14 | bigdog_ut | ^5 macnewbold |
| 03:11.07 | bigdog_ut | i should have wps hook me up with a new splash for uphpu-eclipse with my pic on it |
| 03:11.18 | dataw0lf- | *shudder* |
| 03:11.28 | bigdog_ut | dude that would rock |
| 03:12.12 | bigdog_ut | dude did i ever show you my sons pic i did? |
| 03:12.37 | dataw0lf- | Nope. |
| 03:12.50 | bigdog_ut | check it out -> http://thebigdog.biz/pics/schuyler.jpg |
| 03:13.09 | bigdog_ut | my oldest -> http://thebigdog.biz/pics/courtney-ginger.jpg |
| 03:13.22 | dataw0lf- | that's pretty cool |
| 03:13.28 | bigdog_ut | oldest -> http://thebigdog.biz/pics/courtney-mcdonald.jpg |
| 03:13.45 | dataw0lf- | ahem |
| 03:14.00 | bigdog_ut | i was messing around with gimp |
| 03:14.06 | bigdog_ut | one night |
| 03:14.09 | dataw0lf- | cool |
| 03:14.09 | dataw0lf- | so |
| 03:14.15 | dataw0lf- | when does your daughter turn 18? |
| 03:14.21 | bigdog_ut | they actually turned out way cool...i took them and got them printed |
| 03:14.25 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 03:14.30 | bigdog_ut | you will never know |
| 03:14.33 | dataw0lf- | hehe |
| 03:14.38 | dataw0lf- | I'm just messing with you. |
| 03:14.43 | bigdog_ut | she will be in 40 yr old virgin 2 |
| 03:15.24 | bigdog_ut | 4 yrs |
| 03:15.37 | bigdog_ut | is scarses me to death |
| 03:16.10 | bigdog_ut | then i have 2 more girls after her |
| 03:16.16 | dataw0lf- | cool |
| 03:16.20 | bigdog_ut | so my life sucks for the next 20 yrs |
| 03:16.25 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 03:16.30 | dataw0lf- | ;) |
| 03:16.44 | bigdog_ut | my son cracks me up though |
| 03:16.59 | bigdog_ut | he is 8 month and i got him a crap load of hot wheels |
| 03:17.07 | bigdog_ut | he sits and makes the car noises already |
| 03:17.14 | bigdog_ut | 8mnths and already is a man |
| 03:17.18 | dataw0lf- | hehe |
| 03:17.54 | bigdog_ut | @ three he gets his first moto bike |
| 03:18.19 | bigdog_ut | i told my wife there is no debating that |
| 03:18.34 | dataw0lf- | ... |
| 03:18.39 | diskotec|w | does he say the word (or something close to it) linux....yet? heh...just kidding. |
| 03:18.47 | bigdog_ut | almost |
| 03:18.58 | bigdog_ut | he likes to band on the keyboard |
| 03:19.08 | bigdog_ut | but his first word was dada |
| 03:19.14 | diskotec|w | right on |
| 03:19.27 | bigdog_ut | so the kid is spoiled beyond repair |
| 03:20.00 | dataw0lf- | first boy, right? |
| 03:20.05 | bigdog_ut | yep |
| 03:20.07 | bigdog_ut | first and only |
| 03:20.08 | dataw0lf- | word. |
| 03:20.21 | dataw0lf- | no more kids for yah? |
| 03:20.27 | bigdog_ut | no |
| 03:20.31 | bigdog_ut | he is the last |
| 03:20.34 | bigdog_ut | 4 is too much |
| 03:20.51 | dataw0lf- | yeah, I don't understand nor empathize, but I have a feeling it could be a problem. |
| 03:21.14 | bigdog_ut | the girls are hard |
| 03:21.17 | bigdog_ut | too much drama |
| 03:21.23 | dataw0lf- | that's what girls are. |
| 03:21.26 | bigdog_ut | everyhting is drama...my son just plays |
| 03:21.28 | diskotec|w | oh man....drama queen on the scene |
| 03:21.52 | dataw0lf- | that's why they belong in the kitchen. |
| 03:21.55 | dataw0lf- | :) |
| 03:22.12 | dataw0lf- | http://www.3nglish.co.uk/profiles/data/media/3/Gaz_08.jpg |
| 03:22.36 | bigdog_ut | as much as i would love to disagree i cant |
| 03:22.38 | diskotec|w | isn't there anyway to steer them away from the drama? or is it in their DNA |
| 03:23.03 | bigdog_ut | i wish |
| 03:23.37 | dataw0lf- | it's definitely the DNA. |
| 03:23.45 | dataw0lf- | women aren't as loyal as men, either. |
| 03:23.47 | dataw0lf- | sad, but true. |
| 03:23.50 | diskotec|w | haha....dataw0f...did you make that jpg? |
| 03:24.04 | dataw0lf- | nah, cycokilr posted it earlier tonight in another channel. |
| 03:24.20 | diskotec|w | ah ok. how did it go over in the other channel? |
| 03:24.36 | bigdog_ut | that is one thing that i wanted in a wife...she wants to stay home and run the house |
| 03:24.39 | bigdog_ut | and i found her |
| 03:24.46 | bigdog_ut | and she can cook |
| 03:25.25 | dataw0lf- | diskotec|w: the other channel is probably the most offensive channel ever based from Utah. So very well. |
| 03:25.29 | bigdog_ut | almost done with the upgrade |
| 03:25.49 | dataw0lf- | bigdog_ut: Despite my irreverence, I actually want an independent type woman. |
| 03:26.00 | dataw0lf- | I gotta go with tierra and eco to see their possible new place |
| 03:26.03 | dataw0lf- | bbiab |
| 03:26.10 | bigdog_ut | l8trz |
| 03:26.57 | diskotec|w | oh man....my wife can be clingy but she's lightened up a little since we got married. |
| 03:27.08 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 03:27.15 | diskotec|w | her worst fear is becoming a widow |
| 03:27.28 | diskotec|w | ...like her mom was for a bit |
| 03:27.47 | bigdog_ut | my wife was one |
| 03:29.03 | diskotec|w | how long was she married before she became a widow? |
| 03:29.11 | bigdog_ut | like 3-4 years |
| 03:29.25 | bigdog_ut | she had my oldest |
| 03:29.38 | bigdog_ut | that is why i have little ones and an older one |
| 03:29.43 | diskotec|w | how old is the oldest? |
| 03:29.48 | bigdog_ut | 14 |
| 03:29.51 | diskotec|w | oh boy |
| 03:30.02 | bigdog_ut | and im like 15 yrs older than here |
| 03:30.03 | diskotec|w | I don't want my daughter to get that old |
| 03:30.11 | bigdog_ut | yeah tell me about it |
| 03:30.28 | bigdog_ut | its a real hassle |
| 03:31.45 | diskotec|w | I worked with a guy that was in that same situation...except none of the kids were his and he listened to the same music they did. This was like 6-7 years ago. |
| 03:32.05 | bigdog_ut | yeah...she takes all my music from me |
| 03:32.52 | diskotec|w | how is she around your son? |
| 03:33.16 | diskotec|w | like a "sister-mother"? or indifferent? |
| 03:37.20 | bigdog_ut | sister...she does really good with him...better than with my girls |
| 03:37.28 | bigdog_ut | cause they just fight like all girls |
| 03:37.50 | bigdog_ut | she has actually been a lot better than i was anticipating |
| 03:40.35 | diskotec|w | thats good |
| 03:40.49 | bigdog_ut | yeah it could be worse |
| 04:33.25 | cycokilr | ooh.. great movie.. |
| 04:35.01 | diskotec|w | oh man that movie is a classic |
| 04:35.10 | mindjuju | yup, i love it! |
| 04:35.13 | diskotec|w | my wife hates it |
| 04:35.47 | diskotec|w | the only women I know that like that movie are my mom and my aunt. |
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| 05:50.19 | bigdog_ut | is there a richard in the house? |
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| 16:52.13 | Utah_Dave | when's the next meeting? |
| 17:01.59 | macnewbold | Phlyte has one on the 22nd, UPHPU on the 29th (Jeff Barr from Amazon) |
| 17:03.22 | Utah_Dave | thanks, mac |
| 17:09.29 | Utah_Dave | we're getting setup here at Camp Williams to inprocess 1,200 refugees from New Orleans today and tomorrow |
| 17:09.55 | mindjuju | really? |
| 17:10.07 | mindjuju | that's cool |
| 17:10.34 | Utah_Dave | yeah, it's going kind of crazy. I have to set up several computers to issue them badges so they can get on and off Camp |
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| 17:14.23 | mindjuju | for those of you who admin windows networks and use Symantec AntiVirus Corporate Edition 9.0, 9.0.1, 9.0.2 |
| 17:14.27 | mindjuju | http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/bulletins/SB05-243.html#symantec |
| 17:22.09 | macnewbold | ~clamwin |
| 17:22.10 | macnewbold | ~clamav |
| 17:22.12 | jbot | rumour has it, clamav is http://clamav.elektrapro.com, an anti-virus toolkit written from scratch. It is licensed under GNU GPL2 and uses the virus database from OpenAntiVirus. It has support for on-demand email scanning, conventional directory scanning and in Linux, on-access file scan, good for Samba/Netatalk servers. |
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| 17:50.32 | mindjuju | diskotec, u around? |
| 18:19.15 | diskotec|w | mindjuju: Just got back from class and I'm here for a few minutes until I go to lunch. |
| 18:20.28 | mindjuju | hey, i just read this PDF on security and MySQL. It was really good, and even though you may not be using MySQL, the checklist at the end is good for all databases |
| 18:20.29 | mindjuju | http://www.ngssoftware.com/papers/HackproofingMySQL.pdf |
| 18:21.45 | diskotec|w | cool. the hospital uses mssql but I have mysql installed no my computer and plan on using it or postgresql for my project. For now I'm tinkering and getting a feel for mysql. |
| 18:22.17 | mindjuju | well, if you want a free mssql type program look for msde |
| 18:22.33 | mindjuju | it is the ms sql engine, with some limitation |
| 18:22.40 | mindjuju | it was released to compete with mysql |
| 18:23.05 | mindjuju | the lockdown checklist mentions things like Rename the 'root' MySQL user to something obscure |
| 18:23.14 | mindjuju | which is good in all database systems, etc |
| 18:23.15 | diskotec|w | naw...i want to steer clear of ms anything for this project. |
| 18:23.39 | diskotec|w | cool.....thanks for the link. |
| 18:23.43 | mindjuju | yup |
| 18:34.59 | RyanE | http://www.ngssoftware.com/papers/HackproofingMySQL.pdf |
| 18:35.15 | RyanE | duh. Curse you, IRSSI! |
| 18:35.33 | mindjuju | i was wonnerin' what you were doing |
| 18:35.41 | RyanE | I have to do that about once a day. :) |
| 18:36.09 | RyanE | I was re-posting it in case you missed it 10 lines earlier. :) |
| 18:36.10 | mindjuju | that site has some other good pdfs including breakdown from the backend of pharming |
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| 19:57.59 | mindjuju | man, read a couple different articles during lunch about what is happening in New Orleans... made me start to wonder what natural disasters we could have here? |
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| 20:25.06 | mindjuju | wps, you around? |
| 20:25.36 | wps | i am |
| 20:26.35 | mindjuju | i've turned over a new leaf and am now layout everything in CSS. I'm considering having a drop down menu for a nav bar, the only real example i found using CSS only is using position:absolute to cause a div to appear where it should |
| 20:26.51 | mindjuju | so the question is, do you use javascript for drop downs or CSS |
| 20:27.08 | mindjuju | and if CSS, are you using position absolute to help guide where the divs go |
| 20:27.43 | wps | they only time you would need javascript for a drop menu is if you need it to linger a bit after you mouse off |
| 20:29.10 | wps | this is what you need: |
| 20:29.10 | wps | http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ |
| 20:29.27 | wps | http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/example/ |
| 20:30.03 | mindjuju | wow, those are awesome examples |
| 20:30.16 | mindjuju | i'll study the CSS on this, thnx! |
| 20:35.26 | wps | yeah, that's how you want to do it… or at least where you want to start |
| 20:47.30 | mindjuju | oh yuck! you mean that if IE was css compliant, i could do drop downs with just this??? |
| 20:47.31 | mindjuju | #nav, #nav ul { padding: 0; margin: 0; list-style: none; } #nav a { display: block; width: 10em; } #nav li { float: left; width: 10em; } |
| 20:47.31 | mindjuju | #nav li ul { position: absolute; width: 10em; left: -999em; } #nav li:hover ul { left: auto; } |
| 20:47.31 | mindjuju | #nav li:hover ul, #nav li.sfhover ul { left: auto; } |
| 20:57.48 | wps | yes, because MSIE is retarded and only understand hover for anchors, you will need a teenie bit of JS for it |
| 20:58.18 | wps | but if you use the JS that they suggest, it is very minimal and a good implementation |
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| 22:53.09 | bigdog_ut | im back |
| 22:53.19 | mindjuju | yo |
| 22:53.31 | tierra | welcome back |
| 22:53.48 | bigdog_ut | its hard at work without ir |
| 22:53.50 | bigdog_ut | icr |
| 22:53.51 | bigdog_ut | irc |
| 22:53.56 | bigdog_ut | see..what i mean |
| 22:55.37 | bigdog_ut | hows everyone? |
| 22:55.38 | synic | cgi::irc and stuff won't work? |
| 22:56.03 | bigdog_ut | i woudl need it set up on someones server...mine are all blocked |
| 22:56.41 | mindjuju | oh i didn't know that, you should have said something. i'm running a couple of servers with public IPs |
| 22:56.59 | mindjuju | CGI IRC - is that the linux based one? |
| 22:57.44 | bigdog_ut | well i found out what servers are down as i go to them...for one all ssl is blocked for me |
| 22:57.45 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 22:58.00 | RyanE | bigdog_ut: aren't you laying low for a while? |
| 22:58.14 | bigdog_ut | yeah i am |
| 22:58.25 | bigdog_ut | im just working slowly |
| 22:58.31 | bigdog_ut | cause im on crappy winodws |
| 22:58.41 | mindjuju | yeah, i don't want you to get in trouble, but if you want me to try to get that up for you, let me konw |
| 22:58.47 | mindjuju | s/konw/know |
| 23:01.16 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 23:01.35 | bigdog_ut | i think i might wait until december to wreak havic |
| 23:06.46 | macnewbold | or maybe he'll just wreak |
| 23:07.58 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: if you need help getting out, let me know... I've got some IPs laying around that could run cgi-irc for you or something |
| 23:09.06 | bigdog_ut | ill see..they are still watchin my traffic |
| 23:09.08 | bigdog_ut | daily |
| 23:09.09 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 23:09.24 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: That sucks... |
| 23:10.06 | bigdog_ut | yeah...im just really waiting for my security clearance then i might bail |
| 23:10.13 | macnewbold | maybe if we patch you through enough servers, they'll never know what's up |
| 23:10.20 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 23:10.30 | jsmith | HTTP tunnel-o-rama? |
| 23:10.44 | bigdog_ut | did that jsmith, thats why im here |
| 23:10.53 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: That's what I figured. |
| 23:10.55 | bigdog_ut | took them like 3 weeks to figure out what i was doing |
| 23:11.10 | bigdog_ut | it was kinda funny |
| 23:11.23 | jsmith | I'll bet. |
| 23:11.26 | bigdog_ut | ssl http tunnel to my house over 443 then out to the world |
| 23:11.43 | jsmith | What's Ray doing sending all this SSL traffic to his house? |
| 23:11.54 | bigdog_ut | yep that was the issue |
| 23:12.09 | bigdog_ut | ssl persistent traffic and connects |
| 23:12.17 | bigdog_ut | right through the proxy server |
| 23:12.17 | jsmith | I know what my boss would think if he saw a big-ol SSL connection to my house. |
| 23:12.37 | bigdog_ut | writing another book are you ...lol |
| 23:12.56 | jsmith | Not yet... still waiting for the last one to finish getting printed |
| 23:13.13 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 23:13.15 | jsmith | No, they'd think I was stealing their precious source code. |
| 23:13.43 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 23:13.53 | jsmith | (Which if I was stupid enough to do, and I'm not, I wouldn't copy straight there anyway) |
| 23:14.32 | mindjuju | yeah, you know, i was thinking about that bigdog. On the IRC page, we could easily put a div that covers the Chat interface. That div could have a lot of RSS feeds about databases or security |
| 23:14.35 | jsmith | Probably be easier to steal with a little XSS and SQL injection magic :-) |
| 23:14.39 | mindjuju | and then have a trigger to remove the div and chat |
| 23:14.51 | mindjuju | where to others who don't know about the trigger, they just see the RSS |
| 23:15.07 | bigdog_ut | y |
| 23:15.12 | mindjuju | course, though, if they are watching the packets, then that's no good |
| 23:15.37 | bigdog_ut | i dont think they watch the actual packets |
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