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| 01:05.13 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf |
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| 01:20.26 | bigdog_ut | servers going to restart again |
| 01:20.30 | bigdog_ut | freenode server |
| 01:21.43 | Lone_Wanderer | okay |
| 01:22.13 | bigdog_ut | i think everyone is at the meeting |
| 01:22.15 | bigdog_ut | here we go |
| 01:22.20 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
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| 01:24.02 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, we're all at the meeting. well, five of us. |
| 01:24.10 | bigdog_ut | wow |
| 01:24.14 | bigdog_ut | only 5? |
| 01:24.15 | bigdog_ut | that sucks |
| 01:24.35 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah it does. where are *you*? |
| 01:24.57 | bigdog_ut | home know..i had to go to back to school with my youngest |
| 01:26.00 | bigdog_ut | who is all at the meeting? |
| 01:35.58 | bigdog_ut | it must be a good meeting |
| 01:41.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Mac, me, Alvaro, and a girl and a guy I don't know |
| 01:41.27 | bigdog_ut | oh |
| 01:41.37 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf is there? |
| 01:42.00 | Lone_Wanderer | no, we're looking for him |
| 01:44.35 | bigdog_ut | i htought he was there setting a server up? |
| 01:45.00 | Lone_Wanderer | that was the plan, apparently |
| 01:45.12 | bigdog_ut | and he never showed up? lol |
| 01:47.33 | bigdog_ut | have a good discussion |
| 01:48.26 | Lone_Wanderer | we just talked about you a minute ago |
| 01:48.34 | Lone_Wanderer | and your ssh/tunneling/whatever fiasco |
| 01:48.44 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 01:49.01 | bigdog_ut | i also got banned from all servers i dont directly manage too |
| 01:49.15 | bigdog_ut | afraid i will continue my rein of terror |
| 01:49.25 | bigdog_ut | its funny though |
| 01:49.35 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah as long as you can manage not to get fired ;) |
| 01:49.38 | bigdog_ut | i get half the stuff i use to cause windows sucks |
| 01:49.52 | bigdog_ut | i wont get fired for it...im to valuable |
| 01:50.06 | bigdog_ut | unless i really do something stupid |
| 01:50.08 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 01:51.04 | bigdog_ut | yeah they blocked all my home boxes too |
| 01:51.10 | bigdog_ut | so i cant get to them either |
| 01:51.23 | Lone_Wanderer | heh |
| 01:51.25 | Lone_Wanderer | that sucks |
| 01:51.42 | bigdog_ut | yeah...they wanted to make an example out of me...which is funny |
| 01:52.16 | bigdog_ut | the really funny thing is that i can vpn into our corp network and have access to everything else...i just dont do it cause i dont want a reason to fire me |
| 01:52.25 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 01:52.56 | bigdog_ut | so i do check email and stuff from our corp network, however, i dont do irc just yet...i will give it a couple months |
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| 02:38.50 | bigdog_ut | tell macnewbold to get online i have a freebsd question for him |
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| 03:07.58 | diskotec|w | bigdog: dataw0lf said you would have a recommendation on a good database book. |
| 03:08.33 | diskotec|w | he mentioned one about beginning postgresql |
| 03:18.17 | diskotec|w | ah...here is his post.... |
| 03:18.19 | diskotec|w | <dataw0lf> Beginning Databases with PostgreSQL is pretty cool. bigdog_ut got me it, and I was mightily impressed. |
| 03:18.26 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: I'm here for a sec |
| 03:18.31 | macnewbold | ask away |
| 03:19.28 | diskotec|w | macnewbold: my first message to bigdog was about 11 minutes ago and he hasn't responded yet. |
| 03:19.35 | diskotec|w | maybe he's ignoring me |
| 03:19.37 | diskotec|w | heh |
| 03:38.18 | macnewbold | sorry, no I'm here |
| 03:38.27 | macnewbold | just doing 12 things at once, it feels like |
| 03:38.34 | macnewbold | and trying to get ready to go home from work finally |
| 03:40.03 | bigdog_ut | sorry im here |
| 03:40.07 | bigdog_ut | you there mac? |
| 03:42.50 | macnewbold | yeah bigdog_ut |
| 03:42.52 | macnewbold | go ahead |
| 03:43.22 | bigdog_ut | have you ever done intermediate ssl certs with freebsd, apache1.3.33, and apache_ssl? |
| 03:44.41 | macnewbold | intermediate certs? |
| 03:44.47 | macnewbold | not sure what you mean |
| 03:45.07 | bigdog_ut | certs that a levels done from main CA's |
| 03:46.19 | macnewbold | so it needs a cert chain? |
| 03:46.23 | macnewbold | yeah, I've done those before |
| 03:46.54 | bigdog_ut | kinda...not some much a cert chain...the are certs but intermediate certs from main ones |
| 03:47.09 | bigdog_ut | like godaddy uses them alot? |
| 03:47.15 | macnewbold | so the main one signs an intermediate cert, |
| 03:47.23 | macnewbold | and the intermediate cert signs your cert for your domain name? |
| 03:47.45 | bigdog_ut | yeah...so it is not a top level one...which = cheaper |
| 03:47.49 | macnewbold | right |
| 03:47.58 | macnewbold | in apache, they call that a cert chain |
| 03:48.11 | macnewbold | the magic is you put the CA certs both in the same file |
| 03:48.54 | macnewbold | the way I've got them to work is like this: |
| 03:48.56 | macnewbold | SSLCACertificateFile /usr/local/etc/apache2/ssl.crt/ca-bundle2.crt |
| 03:49.09 | macnewbold | don't know why for sure, but the cert chain line is commented out in all of mine |
| 03:49.14 | bigdog_ut | correct however, they are not bundled though |
| 03:49.23 | bigdog_ut | they are only one cert in there |
| 03:49.26 | macnewbold | we get ours from instantssl which is probably a lot like godaddy |
| 03:49.47 | macnewbold | so your cert for your domain requires two CA certs, but they're not both in the same file? |
| 03:50.13 | macnewbold | that's easy to fix: just cat them both into the same file, one after the other |
| 03:50.21 | macnewbold | browsers and apache both like it just fine |
| 03:50.36 | macnewbold | you just need to make sure you get two certs and that they're both the right ones |
| 03:50.41 | macnewbold | for the cert they sold you |
| 03:50.51 | bigdog_ut | okay, i will check that out |
| 03:50.59 | bigdog_ut | thanks man |
| 03:53.32 | bigdog_ut | get home now macnewbold, you have been working hard |
| 03:53.39 | macnewbold | sorry |
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| 03:53.41 | macnewbold | okay |
| 03:53.44 | macnewbold | hope it works for you |
| 03:53.50 | bigdog_ut | well see |
| 03:53.57 | macnewbold | was here late for the phlyte meeting - not a great turnout |
| 03:54.03 | macnewbold | and dataw0lf is a slacker today |
| 03:54.08 | bigdog_ut | yeah like 5 tonight |
| 03:54.10 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 03:54.11 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 03:54.18 | macnewbold | how'd you hear already? |
| 03:54.35 | macnewbold | doh |
| 03:54.40 | bigdog_ut | Lone_Wanderer told me |
| 03:54.43 | macnewbold | hehe - I didn't even know dan was in here |
| 03:54.46 | macnewbold | during the meeting |
| 03:54.56 | bigdog_ut | he said he was |
| 03:55.51 | diskotec|w | is the /list command not a good thing to do on this network? |
| 03:56.03 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 03:56.10 | macnewbold | try it and see :-D |
| 03:56.19 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 03:56.33 | macnewbold | I think there's a list on the web somewhere |
| 03:56.34 | bigdog_ut | diskotec|w, make sure to use a filter |
| 03:56.48 | diskotec|w | already tried it...thats why i left...my app closed down |
| 03:57.02 | bigdog_ut | which app are u using? |
| 03:57.05 | diskotec|w | virc |
| 03:57.15 | bigdog_ut | oh |
| 03:57.25 | bigdog_ut | xchat works good too |
| 03:58.23 | diskotec|w | hmm...i'll give it a shot |
| 03:58.43 | bigdog_ut | ive never had problems with it before |
| 03:58.55 | diskotec|w | on a windows platform? |
| 03:59.06 | bigdog_ut | it does run...but costs money |
| 03:59.10 | bigdog_ut | mirc is good too |
| 03:59.12 | diskotec|w | oh |
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| 06:10.03 | cycokilr | hey, there is a company down in Orem that is looking for someone to do windows server (2003) work with some networking and stuff like that.. they're looking for part time (~18-26 hours per week).. let me know if your're interested.. |
| 06:10.27 | cycokilr | if you know your stuff, they'll pay you pretty good... |
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| 18:12.24 | macnewbold | ~yow |
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| 20:33.39 | mindjuju | ~bdhit jbot |
| 20:33.41 | jbot | ACTION and mindjuju demonstrates the Iron Two Killers Hand on jbot's forehead |
| 20:34.03 | fungus | ~yow |
| 20:34.27 | mindjuju | ~yow |
| 20:34.41 | mindjuju | curious |
| 20:42.54 | diskotec|w | who was it that said that they went to the Shakesperean festival in Cedar City? I'd like to know the name of that Shakespearean insult book. |
| 20:43.20 | Lone_Wanderer | me |
| 20:43.29 | Lone_Wanderer | well, I'm going this weekend |
| 20:43.41 | mindjuju | mac went last weekend |
| 20:43.43 | Lone_Wanderer | and I don't know the name of it, but I do have one on how to insult in classical latin. |
| 20:44.11 | mindjuju | though you can find one online if your looking for one |
| 20:44.56 | diskotec|w | ahh... I think it was mac. well, I'd like to find out if it was any good or not before blindly purchasing one so I'd like to know the name of it. |
| 20:45.36 | mindjuju | how could you go wrong with a shakespeare insult book? |
| 20:45.40 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:48.03 | diskotec|w | My dad bought a mother goose book that was bound and everything for all his grand kids to look at. I don't know but he missed the information some where that it should have been called "The Perverted Mother Goose Book" It was pretty gross and not something you'd want kids reading. He didn't realize it until my brother showed him some passages. |
| 20:49.07 | mindjuju | hmmm... i wonder if it was like the original old mother goose |
| 20:49.38 | mindjuju | like the one with the stories where hanzel and gretel don't make it |
| 20:49.46 | mindjuju | my understanding was that they were "softened" to make child friendly |
| 20:49.56 | diskotec|w | heh....possibly. I got a chance to pick it up. |
| 20:50.03 | diskotec|w | oh |
| 20:50.15 | diskotec|w | heh...I never got a chance to pick it up |
| 20:51.12 | mindjuju | so yesterday, did you get enough info on database ? |
| 20:51.55 | diskotec|w | enough information for now. I'm sure I'll need more later on. :) |
| 20:52.51 | diskotec|w | I got dataw0lf's suggestion on a good book but could never get a suggestion from bigdog....I think he was busy with some bsd project he was working on. |
| 20:53.05 | mindjuju | nah, that's perfect. Just wanted to provide enough to get your feet wet and to help you to find your way. for some, it's the school of hard knocks like jsmith said, for others, it's books and reading code examples |
| 20:53.38 | mindjuju | always though, lots of practice required, and then you can do the magically kick butt stuff |
| 20:53.49 | mindjuju | very well worth it though |
| 20:54.42 | diskotec|w | well....I don't want to learn through the school of hard knocks by losing any information. I absolutely cannot lose any of the information that would be put inside. |
| 20:55.32 | macnewbold | diskotec|w: it was me that had the book - it's just a little one, but I don't know the name off hand |
| 20:55.37 | diskotec|w | ...so I'm thinking I'd need to be polished in backups and restores on databases |
| 20:55.53 | macnewbold | they were selling it in the little shop in the lobby of the Randall theatre |
| 20:56.03 | mindjuju | see, there's that too, which is why i like books and code examples. i've learned plenty through the school of hard knocks to learn that when you do it that way, you always miss foundation pieces. things you never knew you had to know |
| 20:56.06 | macnewbold | you can't miss it, the book is about 2 inches square |
| 20:56.19 | diskotec|w | mac: ah ok. thanks |
| 20:56.44 | mindjuju | hey mac, did you like the book? |
| 20:56.47 | mindjuju | was it pricey? |
| 20:58.20 | macnewbold | $5 I think? |
| 20:58.20 | macnewbold | yeah it was good |
| 20:58.20 | macnewbold | had about 100 insults I'd guess, one per page, in 4 sections |
| 20:58.20 | diskotec|w | mindjuju: yeah, I'm always afraid of that part of it.....not knowing something that was basic and something I should have known....basic foundation stuff |
| 20:58.21 | diskotec|w | ..thats why I like books too. |
| 20:58.26 | macnewbold | the longest of them were just short paragraphs |
| 21:00.23 | Lone_Wanderer | what play(s) did you see Mac? |
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| 21:37.24 | macnewbold | Lone_Wanderer: camelot was the only one we saw this year, other than the green show and a backstage tour |
| 21:38.38 | Lone_Wanderer | what's the green show? |
| 21:41.07 | diskotec|w | not to side track you from the plays but I do have to say that The Red Green Show is the coolest. :) |
| 21:41.31 | RyanE | esp. that guy who blows crap up, from Dances with Wolves. |
| 21:41.42 | RyanE | no... Maverick. Maybe he was in both. |
| 21:41.46 | diskotec|w | haha....I love that guy |
| 21:42.03 | mindjuju | who graham greene? The Indian guy? |
| 21:42.15 | diskotec|w | I have no idea what his name is. |
| 21:43.03 | mindjuju | wow, he is on that show |
| 21:43.04 | mindjuju | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101177/ |
| 21:43.11 | mindjuju | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001295/ |
| 21:43.30 | mindjuju | never seen red green show, but father in law watches it all the time |
| 21:43.58 | diskotec|w | oh man...thats one pbs show that I wish they'd release on dvd sets |
| 21:44.19 | diskotec|w | to me....its sooo stupid it's funny |
| 22:06.17 | macnewbold | Lone_Wanderer: green show is the little show they put on before the play, out on the lawn |
| 22:06.46 | Lone_Wanderer | oh cool |
| 22:06.55 | macnewbold | a mix of Olde English Stand-up Comedy, physical humor, music, singing, and dancing, all in Shakespearean attire |
| 22:07.07 | Lone_Wanderer | fun :) |
| 22:07.17 | macnewbold | yeah it's good |
| 22:07.20 | RyanE | and annoying, scary people who enjoy it too much. |
| 22:07.29 | macnewbold | there are some like that |
| 22:07.44 | macnewbold | most of them are just good actors _pretending_ to enjoy it too much |
| 22:07.55 | RyanE | either way, they creep me out. |
| 22:07.59 | Lone_Wanderer | He may have been talking about the audience... |
| 22:08.01 | RyanE | at least some of them do. |
| 22:08.03 | macnewbold | but there are some (especially ones that do it free for years and years) that are way crazy |
| 22:08.06 | RyanE | nope, the actors. |
| 22:08.19 | RyanE | some are funny and / or entertaining, some are downright spooky. |
| 22:08.24 | RyanE | but it's part of the deal. |
| 22:08.32 | RyanE | and I'm not complaining. |
| 22:08.35 | macnewbold | yeah, right, mindjuju |
| 22:08.39 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:08.40 | macnewbold | ~clue mindjuju |
| 22:08.41 | jbot | ACTION fans out Vegas-style a stack of clues for mindjuju "Pick one, any one! ...and don't show it to me." |
| 22:08.43 | macnewbold | ~shakespeare mindjuju |
| 22:08.44 | jbot | ACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: mindjuju - Thou impertinent elf-skinned scullian! |
| 22:08.57 | mindjuju | no need get all defensive (must have really hit a nerve!) |
| 22:09.14 | mindjuju | just kiddin' |
| 22:11.30 | mindjuju | wow, the devisation at new orleans just seems unfathomable |
| 22:11.44 | mindjuju | There will be a "total evacuation of the city. We have to. The city will not be functional for two or three months," Nagin said |
| 22:12.37 | RyanE | I'm sure they'll have it fixed up in time for Mardi Gras, though. |
| 22:12.40 | macnewbold | yeah, and all the crazy looting... |
| 22:12.52 | macnewbold | without being able to drive away, how do they expect not to get caught? |
| 22:13.02 | macnewbold | you can only carry a giant TV so far from the walmart store... |
| 22:13.20 | mindjuju | i heard the police were told not to go after looters, but to focus on search and rescue |
| 22:13.34 | diskotec|w | what idiot said lets build a city on the coast of huricane alley 20 feet below sea level? |
| 22:13.48 | jsmith | diskotec|w: The Spanish, in the 1600s. |
| 22:14.00 | macnewbold | yeah, and they declared martial law too |
| 22:14.07 | macnewbold | better than marital law, at least |
| 22:14.08 | jsmith | diskotec|w: And before that, the Frenchies... |
| 22:14.09 | macnewbold | ~rimshot |
| 22:14.10 | jbot | ch-ch-chhh |
| 22:14.11 | mindjuju | prolly the same guy who designed to put homes on the slopes of mountains |
| 22:14.35 | diskotec|w | aha! We should sue France for this. heh... just kiddin |
| 22:15.01 | fungus | ~rimjob |
| 22:15.25 | macnewbold | ~slap fungus |
| 22:15.26 | jbot | ACTION slaps fungus, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:15.32 | macnewbold | eww |
| 22:15.59 | macnewbold | jbot, tell fungus to keep his grubby fingers away from himself |
| 22:16.22 | fungus | lol, I had to check. |
| 22:16.23 | macnewbold | ~feed fungus a salad |
| 22:16.24 | jbot | offers fungus a salad some |
| 22:17.15 | Lone_Wanderer | It wasn't below sea level when they built it. |
| 22:17.54 | macnewbold | what, did it sink? |
| 22:17.57 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 22:18.00 | macnewbold | is that what happened to atlantis too? |
| 22:18.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know :p |
| 22:18.36 | Utah_Dave | they built all these big buildings on swampy land that they filled in and it's still sinking. |
| 22:19.00 | Lone_Wanderer | The guy on NPR the other day didn't mention Atlantis. He just said that, by controlling the annual flooding of the Mississippi, they also eliminated the annual buildup of silt that replenished the landscape |
| 22:19.25 | Lone_Wanderer | apparently the land there is pretty much sinking all the time, and the flooding every year is what kept it above sea level. that's what I got out of what he said anyway. |
| 22:19.32 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm sure the big, heavy buildings all over don't help |
| 22:19.37 | diskotec|w | doesn't the mississippi river naturally want to head out into the ocean rather than taking that eastward turn after Baton Rouge? |
| 22:20.55 | RyanE | I built a castle, and it sunk into the swamp, so I built another castle, that too sunk into the swamp, so I built a third castle. That burnt down, then sunk into the swamp. But the fourth one..... |
| 22:21.31 | Lone_Wanderer | it's doing alright on top of all the old ones? |
| 22:22.21 | Lone_Wanderer | man, it's amazing how fast the line count on a program can grow |
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| 22:53.14 | bigdog_ut | im back |
| 22:53.22 | mindjuju | yo |
| 22:53.29 | drewbono | I just installed a new version of mysql, and not geeklog doesn't work anymore. |
| 22:53.37 | drewbono | something about authentication not compatible. |
| 22:53.44 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 22:53.51 | mindjuju | oh, likely the mysqli extension |
| 22:53.58 | drewbono | I remember reading something about that changing in mysql version, but byu's internet (www) is down |
| 22:54.02 | drewbono | anyone lend a hand? |
| 22:54.03 | bigdog_ut | drewbono...too bad you dont have postgresql |
| 22:54.10 | drewbono | bigdog_ut: :-) |
| 22:54.17 | mindjuju | did you jump from 4.0 to like 4.2 or above including 5? |
| 22:54.19 | drewbono | I heard it's the BOM. |
| 22:55.08 | drewbono | I'm not sure what I was, but I'm now Warning: 4.1.1something |
| 22:55.12 | drewbono | This is the error: |
| 22:56.10 | drewbono | Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL clienet in <path> |
| 22:56.14 | mindjuju | here is the deal from what i remember, MySQL upped ther security from 40bit to 128bit. the new version your using is set for the 128bit, but the app your using to interface wants to use the 40bit version. |
| 22:56.16 | mindjuju | yup |
| 22:56.31 | mindjuju | so, if the app is a php page, you have to change your scripts |
| 22:56.41 | mindjuju | if it is an app like phpmyadmin, there is a setting |
| 22:56.47 | drewbono | it's geeklog |
| 22:57.00 | drewbono | but there's a way to force mysql to go back to 40bit, right? |
| 22:57.03 | drewbono | I forgot what it is though. |
| 22:57.10 | mindjuju | yeah, it is in the ini somewhere |
| 22:57.17 | mindjuju | let me see if i have that handy somewhere |
| 22:57.25 | drewbono | mindjuju: thanks. |
| 22:57.27 | bigdog_ut | drewbono, check with geeklog and see what they have on it |
| 22:57.38 | bigdog_ut | i dont think u are the only one..but i could be wrong |
| 23:00.48 | drewbono | found an answer |
| 23:00.54 | drewbono | I'm sure it's not the best one, but... |
| 23:01.07 | mindjuju | is it the line in the ini file? |
| 23:01.16 | drewbono | SET PASSWORD FOR 'some_user'@'some_host' = OLD_PASSWORD('mypass'); |
| 23:01.32 | mindjuju | yup, that sounds right, couldn't find it on my box |
| 23:01.33 | drewbono | mindjuju: nope, didn't mess with the ini file |
| 23:01.40 | drewbono | Thanks for the help though you guys. |
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| 23:04.13 | mindjuju | oh yeah! i remember the whole thing now. you run that line in sql and it changes the password field bytes |
| 23:04.47 | mindjuju | k, now here was my issue. i opted for the better password structure so i wound up losing the apps and writing my own on the ground of increased security |
| 23:05.23 | mindjuju | course though, it really depends on what your running, not familiar with geeklog |
| 23:07.12 | bigdog_ut | mac..i got the certs too work |
| 23:11.50 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: sweet! |
| 23:14.29 | macnewbold | they're kind of a pain, |
| 23:14.37 | macnewbold | but once you get them going they "just work" |
| 23:15.00 | macnewbold | did you guys know that verisign charges like $1000/year for SSL certs? |
| 23:15.04 | macnewbold | it's crazy |
| 23:15.17 | macnewbold | when you can get them for $50/year elsewhere... |
| 23:15.19 | mindjuju | yeah, i saw |
| 23:15.47 | mindjuju | talk about buying for the brand name |
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| 23:50.20 | mindjuju | finally! after hours enough for me to put on a movie... think i'll put on matrix reloaded |