| 00:06.20 | bigdog_ut | they all suck |
| 00:06.31 | bigdog_ut | linux sucks...its all about m$ now |
| 00:08.04 | dataw0lf- | aw, man, fungus brought up pf and I wasn't around. |
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| 00:43.59 | bigdog_ut | anyone here today? |
| 00:44.11 | bigdog_ut | man after work, everyone is gone |
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| 00:46.51 | tierra | still at work... |
| 00:52.29 | dataw0lf- | I'm here! |
| 00:54.50 | bigdog_ut | i like to dance oto |
| 00:55.43 | bigdog_ut | man i need a new box so bad |
| 00:59.06 | bigdog_ut | i need a box with like 2 gig of ram |
| 01:02.15 | dataw0lf- | :) |
| 01:07.34 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf-, you should be the first to donate |
| 01:07.41 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: howdy! |
| 01:07.51 | bigdog_ut | whatz up macnewbold |
| 01:07.53 | bigdog_ut | how you been |
| 01:07.56 | macnewbold | not too much |
| 01:07.56 | dataw0lf- | bigdog_ut: that sounds festive. |
| 01:08.02 | dataw0lf- | I'm getting a 2 gig box myself. |
| 01:08.03 | dataw0lf- | for free. |
| 01:08.04 | bigdog_ut | yes it is |
| 01:08.08 | dataw0lf- | how are you getting yours again? |
| 01:08.09 | dataw0lf- | :) |
| 01:08.10 | macnewbold | 2GB HD? |
| 01:08.14 | bigdog_ut | donations |
| 01:08.18 | dataw0lf- | 2 gig corsair ram |
| 01:08.25 | macnewbold | ah, 2GB ram ... |
| 01:08.42 | macnewbold | 2 gig could also have been 2Ghz, but that sounded too nice for a free box |
| 01:09.39 | macnewbold | so dataw0lf-, when you gonna come install the server? |
| 01:09.41 | dataw0lf- | yeah, it's only a 2.2 ghz amd 64 |
| 01:09.47 | macnewbold | how about before tomorrow's meeting? |
| 01:09.55 | dataw0lf- | ack |
| 01:09.57 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 01:09.58 | dataw0lf- | yeah. |
| 01:10.00 | macnewbold | gotcha again |
| 01:10.02 | dataw0lf- | I can probably do that. |
| 01:10.06 | dataw0lf- | or during the meeting if I have to |
| 01:10.07 | macnewbold | that would be sweet |
| 01:10.10 | macnewbold | sure |
| 01:10.24 | macnewbold | meeting's at 7pm, I'll be here 8am until 9:30pm |
| 01:10.38 | dataw0lf- | hm |
| 01:10.41 | macnewbold | gimme a call or an email or a msg tomorrow |
| 01:10.43 | dataw0lf- | I can probably come by around at 5 pm |
| 01:10.44 | macnewbold | I've got to run tonight |
| 01:10.46 | dataw0lf- | ok |
| 01:10.49 | macnewbold | that would be perfect, dataw0lf |
| 01:10.54 | macnewbold | nice seeing you, bigdog_ut |
| 01:11.03 | dataw0lf- | macnewbold: word |
| 01:11.11 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, you running off |
| 01:11.53 | macnewbold | yeah, I gotta get home |
| 01:12.01 | macnewbold | I was supposed to go over an hour ago, but it's been a crazy day |
| 01:12.37 | macnewbold | been busy launching new features for a client: |
| 01:12.39 | macnewbold | http://www.3-form.com/materials-reclaim.php |
| 01:12.44 | macnewbold | http://www.3-form.com/materials-reclaim-browse_all.php |
| 01:13.04 | dataw0lf- | very cool |
| 01:14.29 | bigdog_ut | nice, who does the ui stuff? |
| 01:14.45 | dataw0lf- | wps is their graphic designer, if I recall correctly :) |
| 01:15.01 | bigdog_ut | oh |
| 01:15.10 | bigdog_ut | he does a very good job |
| 01:15.28 | dataw0lf- | yeah, it looks pretty awesome. |
| 01:28.30 | macnewbold | yeah, that's right |
| 01:28.37 | macnewbold | there was another guy before him, but wps is the guy now |
| 01:29.08 | bigdog_ut | u should have hired me...im good at ui...lol |
| 01:30.30 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf-, i got a gig for ya |
| 01:30.40 | dataw0lf- | bigdog_ut: wassat? |
| 01:30.50 | bigdog_ut | dice: 10112448 |
| 01:31.03 | bigdog_ut | ids security engineer (telecommuting) |
| 01:31.44 | dataw0lf- | Ahh. |
| 01:31.53 | bigdog_ut | it looks way cool |
| 01:31.57 | dataw0lf- | actually, I got an offer to do some ids definition writing. |
| 01:32.09 | dataw0lf- | but I don't think I really want to do any large projects right now outside of work. |
| 01:33.45 | bigdog_ut | i like these tele positions...you can tele from the city we are in |
| 01:40.34 | bigdog_ut | anyone have any steve vai mucic? |
| 01:40.37 | bigdog_ut | music? |
| 04:15.07 | wps | question |
| 04:15.28 | dataw0lf- | shoot |
| 04:15.48 | wps | Well, just as school is under my belt, my Tuesday nights will now be taken with scouts. Yes, that's right, I am now the local Scout Master. So, in order to continue running our monthly meetings, I will need to move them to Thursday nights. According to polls we held previously, Thursdays were actually quite popular, so I don't see any problems, but I was wondering if I should still run a poll on the site so that people can give input. |
| 04:15.54 | wps | what do you think? run a poll or just make the change? |
| 04:16.37 | dataw0lf- | bah, just change it. |
| 04:17.00 | wps | that's what I am thinking |
| 04:17.33 | wps | we've run several polls over the years and they don't really seem to provide any really useful information |
| 04:17.51 | dataw0lf- | yeah. |
| 04:17.58 | dataw0lf- | you're always going to have SOMEONE complaining. |
| 04:18.01 | dataw0lf- | *shrug* |
| 04:19.12 | wps | http://uphpu.org/pollbooth.php?qid=training_day&aid=-1 |
| 04:22.07 | RyanE | just change it. As long as it's not Wednesday, you're possibly good by me (depending on the rest of the family's schedule) :) |
| 04:50.28 | dataw0lf- | RyanE / wps: alright, whaddya think with the finished product? http://dataw0lf.org |
| 04:51.37 | RyanE | dataw0lf: don't really go for the nav font, but that's a personal thing. |
| 04:52.10 | wps | dataw0lf, I like the addition of the footer line |
| 04:52.16 | wps | gives it a little more structure |
| 04:52.21 | RyanE | you also have no ALT tags on the nav images, so in a text browser, you're SOL |
| 04:52.22 | wps | frames the page |
| 04:53.05 | RyanE | text browsers (links, et al.) see "[IMG] [IMG] [IMG] [IMG]" for your nav link images. |
| 04:53.09 | bigdog_ut | i wouldnt mind some blue in the logo image |
| 04:53.15 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: doh |
| 04:53.21 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: yeah, I'll add those. |
| 04:53.27 | dataw0lf- | I need to find my content too. |
| 04:53.50 | dataw0lf- | bigdog_ut: you got a copy of that intro to python presentation? have I asked you already. |
| 04:54.02 | bigdog_ut | yes i have a copy |
| 04:54.13 | bigdog_ut | somewhere |
| 04:54.21 | dataw0lf- | if you find it mail it to me. |
| 04:54.23 | bigdog_ut | u mean your stuff? |
| 04:54.24 | dataw0lf- | no hurry. |
| 04:54.25 | RyanE | I also complain about the 'hidden' home link that wps was complaining about the other day. No indication that the 'head' icon is a 'home' icon. |
| 04:54.43 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: yeah, I don't really care about UI intuitiveness, though. |
| 04:54.47 | dataw0lf- | they can look at the source. |
| 04:54.47 | wps | dataw0lf, this? |
| 04:54.48 | wps | http://uphpu.org/presentations/2005-06-21_linux_security/linuxsec.pdf |
| 04:54.53 | dataw0lf- | wps: nah. |
| 04:55.08 | dataw0lf- | wps: that's the only presentation I was able to recover. |
| 04:55.22 | RyanE | other than that, I find it stylish. |
| 04:55.27 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf-, i found it |
| 04:55.42 | dataw0lf- | bigdog_ut: email it, please. |
| 04:57.01 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf-, sent |
| 04:57.06 | dataw0lf- | bigdog_ut: danke, sir. |
| 04:57.13 | bigdog_ut | np |
| 05:00.30 | wps | anyone have any idea how to change our repeating calendar event on php.net? |
| 05:05.12 | dataw0lf- | None. |
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| 05:17.48 | *** topic/#uphpu by wps -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org | meetings now third Thursday |
| 05:29.46 | wps | what's the opposite of normal? |
| 05:30.57 | wps | (serious question) |
| 05:33.31 | wps | nevermind |
| 05:33.35 | wps | just remembered: abnormal |
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| 14:43.41 | jsmith | Blah... |
| 14:53.01 | dataw0lf | anyone have any better ideas then checking if uid >= 1000 to see if a user is an 'actual' user? |
| 14:53.07 | dataw0lf | lastlog maybe? |
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| 15:07.24 | mindjuju | let it never be said that DW has a problem with expressing himself. see http://dataw0lf.org/ with an IE browser |
| 15:20.38 | dataw0lf | that's because some guy was telling me last night that I didn't know what I was doing because PNG transparency doesn't work with IE. |
| 15:21.38 | mindjuju | i just thought it was funny |
| 15:21.53 | mindjuju | plus that guy should know that PNG support is coming in IE 7 |
| 15:22.31 | wps | I'll believe it when I see it |
| 15:22.38 | RyanE | dataw0lf: another suggestion: you can tell IE users to go bleep themselves, but you should also at least put a link to Firefox or your favorite Linux distro. :) |
| 15:22.58 | dataw0lf | RyanE: I used to just redirect to getfirefox.com |
| 15:23.07 | dataw0lf | but, yeah. |
| 15:24.51 | RyanE | btw, your transparent .png's don't work in IE. :) |
| 15:25.13 | RyanE | sometimes I crack myself up, and in the end, it's all about *me*, so that's good. :) |
| 15:25.45 | wps | strange |
| 15:25.48 | dataw0lf | try it now |
| 15:25.49 | dataw0lf | in IE |
| 15:25.55 | wps | my http traffic is dead, but I am still getting IRC |
| 15:26.03 | dataw0lf | DNS |
| 15:26.09 | RyanE | your link is broken |
| 15:26.13 | RyanE | but other than that, great. |
| 15:26.15 | dataw0lf | your DNS servers are dead. |
| 15:26.17 | mindjuju | On your hyperlink you didn't put http:// |
| 15:26.18 | RyanE | it's relative, instead of http:// |
| 15:26.20 | mindjuju | so it is putting this |
| 15:26.25 | mindjuju | http://dataw0lf.org/www.getfirefox.com |
| 15:26.30 | dataw0lf | oh, meh. |
| 15:26.44 | dataw0lf | there |
| 15:26.55 | RyanE | lovely |
| 15:26.59 | mindjuju | yup |
| 15:27.31 | mindjuju | by the way, Digitally Imported in playing Morlack in the GoaPsy channel and it is way good |
| 15:28.12 | RyanE | s/in/is |
| 15:28.40 | mindjuju | oh yeah, thx for the grammer check! |
| 15:28.43 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: the day I start listening to that crap is the day I rip out my eardrums and sell them to a medicine man to promote voodoo. |
| 15:29.52 | dataw0lf | day seems like a good day |
| 15:29.55 | dataw0lf | burn a bridge or two |
| 15:30.04 | dataw0lf | blah blah |
| 15:30.07 | dataw0lf | some people really suck |
| 15:30.11 | dataw0lf | blah blah |
| 15:30.14 | dataw0lf | beautiful disaster |
| 15:30.28 | dataw0lf | I know a drugstore cowgirl, so afraid of getting bored |
| 15:30.35 | dataw0lf | ok, I'm done |
| 15:31.18 | mindjuju | yeah, that sounds like a way good song... boy i sure most have been confused to listen to my way cool techno instead of those lyrics |
| 15:31.20 | mindjuju | yup |
| 15:31.24 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 15:31.54 | dataw0lf | oonf oonf oonf oonf oonf (drum break) oonf oonf oonf oonf |
| 15:32.00 | dataw0lf | see |
| 15:32.02 | RyanE | you either like techno or you don't. I'm also in that second camp. |
| 15:32.07 | dataw0lf | I know every techno song ever |
| 15:32.29 | RyanE | dataw0lf: agreed. Heard one, heard 'em all. |
| 15:32.30 | mindjuju | hey, Morlack just mixed in some speedy gonzales sound bytes! |
| 15:32.36 | dataw0lf | RyanE: ain't that the truth |
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| 15:32.49 | dataw0lf | butterfly in the wind without heeer... |
| 15:32.55 | dataw0lf | beautiful disaster |
| 15:32.57 | dataw0lf | I do, I don't, whatever |
| 15:33.07 | dataw0lf | P-Nut can break it down on that bass |
| 15:33.15 | dataw0lf | (311 bassist) |
| 15:34.19 | dataw0lf | so you guys got an ideas on how to figure out who the 'real' users on a nix server are from a script? |
| 15:34.26 | dataw0lf | uid is a little... meh |
| 15:34.28 | dataw0lf | same with lastlog |
| 15:35.52 | RyanE | dataw0lf: you mean users that don't include things like print spoolers, etc.? |
| 15:36.41 | dataw0lf | RyanE: Exactly. |
| 15:36.43 | RyanE | I don't think there's necessarily a way if that's the case, because some software creates users with valid uid's. Is your script run as root? |
| 15:36.56 | dataw0lf | RyanE: it can be. |
| 15:36.57 | RyanE | you could take the users, and verify home directories. |
| 15:37.24 | dataw0lf | RyanE: ah, but, ahem, alot of 'users' installed via packages, software, etc, have home directories or some existing directory |
| 15:37.44 | RyanE | dataw0lf: yeah, that's why I think it may not be possible... |
| 15:37.53 | dataw0lf | gdm:x:42:42:GDM:/var/state/gdm:/bin/bash <-- example |
| 15:37.59 | RyanE | because you'll also have users who never *use* their home directory... |
| 15:38.04 | dataw0lf | right. |
| 15:38.13 | dataw0lf | damn. |
| 15:38.16 | RyanE | you could check their login history and / or their .bash* dates |
| 15:38.22 | RyanE | assuming you want users who have logged in. |
| 15:38.29 | RyanE | but mail only users will never ssh / telnet in. |
| 15:38.34 | dataw0lf | probably going to have to do it by uid. |
| 15:38.45 | dataw0lf | and hope for the best |
| 15:38.47 | RyanE | if you checked their login history and their Maildir, you might be able to figure out 'real' users. |
| 15:38.51 | RyanE | probably |
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| 15:41.22 | mindjuju | yo diskotec |
| 15:41.39 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Another thing to look at is their shell. Anthing set to /bin/false probably isn't a real user |
| 15:42.00 | dataw0lf | jsmith: yeah, but there's numerous non real users with shells, is the problem. |
| 15:42.16 | dataw0lf | and, that's not necessarily the case with, say, a mail only user |
| 15:43.11 | dataw0lf | ^-- best Tool song ever |
| 15:45.02 | dataw0lf | "I know, the pieces fit, cuz I watched, them tumble down. No fault, none to blame, it doesn't mean I, don't desire, to point the finger, blame the other, watch the, temple, topple over. To bring the, pieces back together, rediscover communication." |
| 15:45.34 | dataw0lf | the beat that Maynard sings those lyrics to is awesome. |
| 15:45.38 | dataw0lf | I don't know why I like it so much |
| 15:49.47 | diskotec|w | hi mindjuju |
| 15:50.13 | mindjuju | sup -- how's the hospital these days? |
| 15:51.40 | diskotec|w | oh...it's school that's taking up most of my time now. As far as the php project I'm trying to get together, I'm finally trying to get a layout of the ui and thinking about the database layout. |
| 15:53.14 | diskotec|w | is there a definition or personal guidlines you go by on when you would create another table to store information when trying to plan out a database? |
| 15:53.43 | mindjuju | there are guidelines |
| 15:53.44 | jsmith | diskotec|w: Yes, learn "third normal form" and stick to it as much as possible. |
| 15:53.50 | mindjuju | yup |
| 15:53.56 | jsmith | diskotec|w: Also, learn to use JOINs. |
| 15:54.08 | jsmith | JOINs are your friend. |
| 15:54.41 | diskotec|w | is "third normal form" an official document somewhere? Or is it a generic term? Haven't heard of that before. |
| 15:54.45 | mindjuju | this is a good basic overview |
| 15:54.46 | mindjuju | http://databases.about.com/od/specificproducts/a/normalization.htm |
| 15:54.48 | diskotec|w | cool |
| 15:55.11 | diskotec|w | hmm...that looks familiar |
| 15:55.16 | mindjuju | this explains the sql syntax well |
| 15:55.17 | mindjuju | http://www.w3schools.com/sql/default.asp |
| 15:55.23 | mindjuju | has a good segment on Joins |
| 15:55.31 | mindjuju | like the difference on left join or right join |
| 15:55.38 | mindjuju | with good examples that explain |
| 15:55.56 | diskotec|w | oh yeah...I think I read that awhile back but forgot about it |
| 15:55.59 | jsmith | What? A good explanation of a left join? On the web? This I gotta see... |
| 15:58.15 | mindjuju | not too shabby, huh? |
| 16:00.52 | diskotec|w | before I dig into these documents....are there any explanations on when to use or start another table for performance reasons? I don't think what I'm making will require that many tables and will probably be quite small compared to the databases you guys create but the information in the fields will hold different types of information. |
| 16:01.15 | mindjuju | so diskotec, that overview is really very basic, but a good start point. like jsmith said, 3rd form is what most people shoot for. Well organized data, that isn't time intensive to create or maintain, efficent. |
| 16:01.55 | mindjuju | hmmm... |
| 16:02.24 | jsmith | mindjuju: That tutorial isn't very in-depth, and doesn't really explain the right join well. In its example, it looks just like the INNER JOIN. |
| 16:04.02 | mindjuju | it is true that this article is an overview article on the functions |
| 16:04.18 | mindjuju | as to the explainations, immediately under the query it explains the purpose |
| 16:04.30 | mindjuju | Example RIGHT JOIN |
| 16:04.31 | mindjuju | List all orders, and who has ordered - if any. |
| 16:04.51 | mindjuju | then in the results, see how it shows all the products and you see that svendson ordered twice |
| 16:05.05 | mindjuju | good overview, but definantly not definative |
| 16:05.24 | jsmith | Yes, but the point is to show any orders that don't have an orderer... |
| 16:05.50 | jsmith | (any records in the RIGHT table that don't have a corresponding entry in the LEFT table) |
| 16:06.13 | jsmith | It says that in the explanation, but the example was poor. |
| 16:07.07 | mindjuju | point taken. do you have a site to recommend on joins with syntax and examples? |
| 16:10.01 | mindjuju | while everybody has their favorite sql book, i've found the book database design for mere mortals to be effective in teaching the foundations of database design, though i think the resident sql expert bigdog_ut may have some that he'll recommend |
| 16:11.03 | jsmith | I've never read an SQL book I liked. |
| 16:11.15 | jsmith | Everything I know I've learned from the school of hard knocks |
| 16:12.00 | dataw0lf | Beginning Databases with PostgreSQL is pretty cool. bigdog_ut got me it, and I was mightily impressed. |
| 16:12.30 | jsmith | Wow... that's cool, because I've never found a PostgreSQL book I liked either... |
| 16:13.08 | dataw0lf | yeah, it's pretty good. |
| 16:13.30 | dataw0lf | Matthews and Stone are some of my favorite technical authors, though, so I may be a bit biased. |
| 16:13.56 | jsmith | Do they write a "PostgreSQL for the Uber-geek" book? |
| 16:14.14 | dataw0lf | that's with Beginning Databases with PostgreSQL is, basically. |
| 16:14.39 | dataw0lf | don't be fooled by the 'Beginning' part. They have a book called 'Beginning Linux Programming' too that is my desk reference. |
| 16:14.48 | jsmith | I don't know... |
| 16:15.29 | dataw0lf | well, I'm not going to try to sell you on it, you can go take a flying hump at a stealth jet, for all I care. Just an fyi. |
| 16:16.16 | mindjuju | do diskotec, what i'd recommend is for you to get ya a box and load up something free like MySQL or PostgreSQL. (don't recommend using Access as a beginner database as this is really a dead end for SQL learning path) and start kicking some data around |
| 16:17.37 | dataw0lf | alternatively, say screw databases and become a kung fu master. |
| 16:19.02 | wps | now you're talking |
| 16:19.14 | RyanE | I hear the salaries for Kung Fu Masters are a bit lower, but the benefits *rock*! |
| 16:19.50 | wps | WHO IS CARL DOUGLAS?!!?!?!?! |
| 16:19.55 | dataw0lf | I mean, c'mon, DBA versus kung fu master. There's really no choice at all. |
| 16:20.06 | mindjuju | come on google, who is car doublas |
| 16:20.17 | dataw0lf | he's a kung fu master. |
| 16:20.19 | dataw0lf | DUH |
| 16:20.25 | dataw0lf | a jamaican one at that. |
| 16:20.44 | wps | _the_ disco king! |
| 16:20.46 | dataw0lf | ;) |
| 16:21.20 | dataw0lf | You and mindjuju should have a Music That Makes Your Ears Bleed party. |
| 16:21.30 | wps | uh… uh… oh yeah… oh yeah |
| 16:22.10 | wps | jbot, dance |
| 16:22.11 | jbot | ACTION becomes steve ballmer |
| 16:22.19 | wps | no, no, no, not like that |
| 16:22.21 | wps | jbot, dance |
| 16:22.22 | jbot | ACTION does a disco dance. |
| 16:22.25 | wps | exactly |
| 16:22.30 | wps | work it |
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| 16:22.57 | RyanE | @wps: you're scaring small children and farm animals. |
| 16:22.58 | macnewbold | ~wps |
| 16:23.01 | jbot | well, wps is Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 16:24.41 | macnewbold | "Choke on a big ole' piece o' this!" |
| 16:25.19 | dataw0lf | I got nothing wrong with 'classics' |
| 16:25.24 | macnewbold | j/k, dw - you can listen to all the bad music you want... |
| 16:25.30 | dataw0lf | But there's a different between 'ssics' and 'p' |
| 16:25.31 | macnewbold | so 5pm today, dw? |
| 16:25.37 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: should be |
| 16:25.42 | macnewbold | k |
| 16:25.44 | dataw0lf | and Rage Against the Machine is NOT bad music. |
| 16:25.46 | macnewbold | sounds good |
| 16:25.47 | wps | the meeting is at 5? |
| 16:25.56 | macnewbold | no, Rage probably isn't... but who's this 311 junk? |
| 16:26.08 | macnewbold | wps: no, he's installing the phlyte server here at 5pm |
| 16:26.12 | wps | ah |
| 16:26.14 | macnewbold | meeting at 7pm :) |
| 16:26.14 | dataw0lf | 311 is like rock/reggae |
| 16:26.19 | macnewbold | ~311 |
| 16:26.22 | jbot | 311 is, like, a kickass rock band that supports the open source community and who's homepage can be found at http://www.idir.net/~scoryell/311/311HomePage.html, or on the warped tour.. warpedtour.com |
| 16:26.22 | wps | 15 more members and we'll reach the 400 mark |
| 16:26.30 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 16:26.37 | dataw0lf | with one of the better bassists out there. |
| 16:26.38 | wps | a rock band that supports OSS? |
| 16:26.41 | dataw0lf | Yes. |
| 16:26.44 | wps | how? |
| 16:26.58 | dataw0lf | donations and they all use Linux. |
| 16:27.07 | wps | wow |
| 16:27.12 | wps | that's cool |
| 16:27.16 | dataw0lf | Yeah. |
| 16:27.38 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: got anything else to say, smartarse? |
| 16:27.48 | macnewbold | ~lart dataw0lf |
| 16:27.48 | macnewbold | ~shakespeare |
| 16:27.50 | jbot | it has been said that shakespeare is "To be or not to be" |
| 16:27.52 | macnewbold | ~shakespeare mindjuju |
| 16:27.53 | jbot | ACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: mindjuju - Thou impertinent elf-skinned scullian! |
| 16:27.57 | wps | I got the calendar syndication fixed BTW, in case anyone was subscribed |
| 16:28.05 | macnewbold | ~literal shakespeare |
| 16:28.06 | jbot | "shakespeare" is ""To be or not to be"" |
| 16:28.17 | macnewbold | ~literal shakespeare $1 |
| 16:28.18 | jbot | ACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: $1 - Thou reeky earth-vexing dewberry! |
| 16:28.37 | dataw0lf | if you've heard the songs from 50 First Dates, Amber, I'll Be Here Awhile, etc, that's 311. |
| 16:28.38 | macnewbold | ~literal shakespeare <who> |
| 16:28.39 | jbot | ACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: <who> - Thou pribbling bat-fowling devil-mon! |
| 16:28.42 | macnewbold | hm |
| 16:28.52 | dataw0lf | They've been around for a long, long time. |
| 16:29.01 | mindjuju | shakespeare is already something |
| 16:29.08 | mindjuju | ~shakespeare macnewbold |
| 16:29.09 | jbot | ACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: macnewbold - Thou pribbling bat-fowling devil-mon! |
| 16:29.19 | mindjuju | yup, that sounds about right |
| 16:29.28 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 16:29.32 | macnewbold | mindjuju: I was down in Cedar City last week at the Festival, and picked up a great little book of shakespeare's greatest insults |
| 16:29.46 | mindjuju | we should add more |
| 16:29.48 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 16:29.52 | macnewbold | that's what I'm thinkin |
| 16:30.05 | mindjuju | ~shakespeare dataw0lf |
| 16:30.06 | jbot | ACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: dataw0lf - Thou tottering pottle-deep moldwarp! |
| 16:30.15 | dataw0lf | hmph |
| 16:30.17 | mindjuju | right again, boy that is really on target |
| 16:32.06 | diskotec|w | i'm still chuckling at the macnewbold comment of 2GIG HD and dataw0lf kicking him in the head....not making fun....just thought it was funny. :) |
| 16:32.31 | dataw0lf | HOW DARE YOU BRING THAT UP! |
| 16:32.33 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 16:32.38 | diskotec|w | hehe |
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| 16:37.19 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 16:40.39 | dataw0lf | greeted with the 40 and I start drinking, from the 8ball my breath starts stinking |
| 16:44.01 | macnewbold | if I were mindjuju's guitar, I'd weep too |
| 16:44.53 | RyanE | of course, mindjuju's guitar wouldn't be gently weeping, it'd be wailing loudly for silence. |
| 16:45.22 | macnewbold | exactly |
| 16:45.34 | macnewbold | "Please, stop the insanity!" |
| 16:45.46 | fungus | eek, Susan Powter is back! |
| 16:47.31 | macnewbold | ~Susan Powter |
| 16:47.53 | mindjuju | jbot still doesn't have google functionality restored |
| 16:48.59 | macnewbold | :( |
| 16:49.04 | macnewbold | ~mourn google |
| 16:49.08 | jbot | ACTION lights some candles for google |
| 16:49.10 | dataw0lf | she's one of them diet freaks. |
| 16:49.30 | macnewbold | are there any good programmers in here who are looking for a part-time to full-time opportunity? small company, lots of fun, doing php/mysql web database applications. Good pay and no PHP experience required. |
| 16:50.17 | RyanE | the one who shaved her head. |
| 16:50.21 | fungus | ...perhaps. |
| 16:50.28 | RyanE | mac: you're scaring me... 'no PHP experience required'... |
| 16:50.41 | RyanE | I guess you're covered by 'good programmers'. |
| 16:51.19 | dataw0lf | what's 'good pay' ? |
| 16:51.33 | fungus | are the hours flexible? |
| 16:52.30 | RyanE | do you allow telecommute? |
| 16:52.46 | RyanE | is the boss a jerk? Oh wait, we know the answer to that one... :) |
| 16:54.28 | macnewbold | it's sad to say, but many people who have PHP experience have not much other programming education/experience, |
| 16:54.33 | macnewbold | and I'd much rather have a good programmer who doesn't know php than a mediocre one who does know php |
| 16:54.49 | macnewbold | pay is probably $15-20/hr for the right person |
| 16:55.16 | macnewbold | RyanE: telecommute is a possibility for the right person, |
| 16:55.30 | macnewbold | though some in-person time at our SLC office may be required at first |
| 16:55.54 | macnewbold | fungus: hours are pretty flexible - we're here from 8am-6pm typically, so those are the most productive times, |
| 16:56.03 | macnewbold | but working in off-hours wouldn't be unheard of |
| 16:56.29 | macnewbold | it is a big plus if you're at least available in an urgent situation that may arise during work hours |
| 17:00.07 | fungus | of course all seems understandable. |
| 17:00.53 | jsmith | macnewbold: I thought you said it was good pay... |
| 17:03.05 | macnewbold | ~dwhit jsmith |
| 17:03.12 | jbot | ACTION and macnewbold demonstrates the Iron Two Killers Hand on jsmith's forehead |
| 17:03.22 | macnewbold | that would just be the starting pay |
| 17:03.27 | macnewbold | of course it goes up from there |
| 17:04.43 | jsmith | I repeat my earlier statement... I thought you said it was good pay... |
| 17:05.04 | macnewbold | what's "good pay" to you? |
| 17:05.11 | macnewbold | (for this kind of work and position) |
| 17:05.27 | macnewbold | this is entry-level part-time work |
| 17:05.32 | macnewbold | if you're not an entry-level person, |
| 17:05.34 | jsmith | For an experienced programmer, who doesn't have to be babysat and can get stuff done? |
| 17:05.37 | macnewbold | it might be significantly more |
| 17:05.41 | jsmith | You said "good programmer" |
| 17:05.47 | jsmith | I assumed that didn't mean entry level |
| 17:05.52 | macnewbold | "good programmer" is relative too |
| 17:06.05 | macnewbold | the last "good programmer" we hired was finishing up a BS in CS at the U |
| 17:06.23 | jsmith | And I'll bet you didn't qualify him as entry level, either. |
| 17:06.24 | macnewbold | but if there's a "good programmer" that's got another 5 years of experience, |
| 17:06.27 | macnewbold | it could easily be $30 |
| 17:06.48 | macnewbold | our current plan is to try someone out part-time, and if it's a good fit, make them a full-time offer |
| 17:07.51 | jsmith | Don't take me too seriously, I'm mostly just giving you a bad time... |
| 17:08.17 | mindjuju | ~bdhit jsmith |
| 17:08.18 | jbot | ACTION and mindjuju demonstrates the Iron Two Killers Hand on jsmith's forehead |
| 17:29.57 | macnewbold | RyanE, fungus: were you guys seriously interested, or just leading me on? |
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| 17:32.06 | fungus | I am actually interested, because I doubt my boss can pay me more than he already is. |
| 17:34.58 | macnewbold | drop me an email with some info and stuff (portfolio/resume/whatever) and your interests/requirements, and we'll take a look - info@codegreene.com, subject "part-time position" |
| 17:47.00 | RyanE | macnewbold: c'mon... you KNOW I'm not serious... I'm not really into the side work right now, and you probably wouldn't want to pay my rates... :) |
| 17:47.45 | RyanE | I'm just always interested in what positions are available, b'cause you never know when you might need one. |
| 17:47.56 | macnewbold | sure |
| 17:51.51 | macnewbold | hours are pretty flexible - we're here from 8am-6pm typically, so those are the most productive times, |
| 17:51.55 | macnewbold | but working in off-hours wouldn't be unheard of |
| 17:51.58 | macnewbold | it is a big plus if you're at least available in an urgent situation that may arise during work hours |
| 17:52.03 | macnewbold | doh, wrong window |
| 19:39.50 | com4 | macnewbold: is it in salt lake? |
| 19:40.43 | macnewbold | yep |
| 19:40.47 | macnewbold | foothill village |
| 19:41.02 | macnewbold | (the location of the phlyte meetings, like tonight's meeting) |
| 19:41.59 | com4 | i donno where that is, haven't been to a meeting |
| 19:42.08 | com4 | i'm in Ogden and have a crummy campus job |
| 19:42.13 | com4 | costs too much money to drive to salt lake |
| 19:42.23 | macnewbold | ah... it's at about 1400 South and 2300 East in SLC |
| 19:42.23 | com4 | and i noted that a telecommute is possible |
| 19:42.30 | com4 | that's not bad i guess |
| 19:42.37 | macnewbold | you take I-15 to I-80, then up a couple of exits to Foothill Drive |
| 19:42.37 | dataw0lf | com4: I'm looking for a roommate you know |
| 19:42.43 | com4 | nope |
| 19:42.55 | com4 | what hapepned to krypt? |
| 19:43.03 | dataw0lf | he's dropping out because he's an idiot. |
| 19:43.13 | com4 | ah |
| 19:43.39 | com4 | telecommute 2 or 3 of the 5 days would be nice |
| 19:43.49 | com4 | at least until i move to SLC |
| 19:43.51 | macnewbold | com4: there'd probably be some in-person stuff at first, with very flexible times, but in general, telecommute would probably work fine |
| 19:43.56 | com4 | word |
| 19:44.01 | com4 | i'd need flexable times |
| 19:44.08 | com4 | as i'm a student :( |
| 19:44.15 | com4 | makes it hard to get a decent job |
| 19:44.21 | com4 | everyone wants 8-5 |
| 19:44.33 | macnewbold | did you see what I said above to fungus? same goes for you, if you're interested |
| 19:44.48 | com4 | ya |
| 19:44.55 | com4 | my resume is at home |
| 19:45.08 | com4 | i'll send it your way |
| 19:46.02 | macnewbold | sweet |
| 20:11.35 | macnewbold | Phlyte meeting tonight, y'all, 7pm if you're interested |
| 20:12.07 | RyanE | and, even if you're not! |
| 20:21.10 | jsmith | macnewbold: Interested, but once again, the scheduling sucks. |
| 20:22.13 | fungus | Actually I don't think it is the scheduling that sucks. I think it is just you that sucks. :) |
| 20:22.49 | dataw0lf | oooh burn |
| 20:22.53 | jsmith | That's entirely possible |
| 20:22.58 | dataw0lf | now go back to your salad, fungus |
| 20:23.30 | jsmith | I'm not so bold as to think I'm the only one that matters here... |
| 20:26.32 | fungus | mmm, salad! |
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| 22:41.20 | bigdog_ut | i guess i missed the 311 chat |
| 22:41.23 | bigdog_ut | oh well |
| 22:41.57 | mindjuju | hey, your here early |
| 22:42.09 | bigdog_ut | yeah i got to head out though |
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