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05:49.06dataw0lf-RyanE_: you still there?
05:49.11dataw0lf-anyone else on?
07:05.42RyanE_dataw0lf: yeah?
07:06.05RyanE_just not reading IRC, and now *you're* probably not on.  :)
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13:39.40dataw0lfRyanE: you should start reading IRC from now on.
13:39.45dataw0lf~lart RyanE
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14:37.27dataw0lfwps: gimme a hand with something?
14:37.37wpswhat's up?
14:38.11dataw0lfwps: http://dataw0lf.org what's that missing?
14:38.25dataw0lffrom the critical eye of a graphic designer ;)
14:39.31wpsnavigationally, I would recommend some sort of navigation system
14:39.38wpscurrently, when you are in a sub page, you are lost
14:39.49wpsthere is no way back and nothing to communicate where you are
14:39.51dataw0lfyeah, well, actually there is a way to navigate.
14:39.59dataw0lf(you click on the image)
14:40.08dataw0lfbut that's meant to be sekkret
14:40.57wpsalso, if the site is about you—as it appears—then I would recommend a little bio… at least a paragraph explaining who you are and what the purpose of the site is… perhaps how to contact you
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14:45.32dataw0lfwps: yeah, that's there too
14:45.32dataw0lfclick on the image from the entry point :)
14:45.53wpsah, yeah, I would recommend making that more obvious. A good UI must be simple and intuitive.
14:46.46dataw0lfoh, that's the whole point though, I kinda like it that way.
14:47.01wpsah
14:47.09wpsgraphically, the site is good… your images (the pic and the text) are clean. I would think of something to spice it up a little though, to give it a little draw on the the front page at least.
14:47.11dataw0lfI'm not really interested in the UI portion, I know it isn't 'good'.  I'm talking stylistically.
14:47.24dataw0lfyeah, see, that's what I'm looking for.
14:48.33wpsright now it's just an icon and some links
14:48.46wpsI would come with something else you can add of interest
14:48.57dataw0lfI know, I just can't think of anything.
14:49.05dataw0lfthat's why I was axing you.
14:49.13dataw0lfbecause you're a genius like that.
14:51.59wpswell, on thing that I would recommend against is putting a picture or graphic there just to put it there
14:52.11wpsit will actually be a detriment if it does not have a reason to be there
14:52.25dataw0lfright, but the existing image does have a reason to be there.
14:52.33dataw0lfunless you're talking about more images.
14:52.39wpsI was referring to more
14:52.43dataw0lfright.
14:53.12dataw0lfyeah, I wasn't interested in more images, I was just wondering if there was something I could do with the CSS to spice it up without cutting into the simplicity
14:53.19wpsso, you'll want to try and thing of something that either applies to you (since the site is kind of a visual resumé) or to the projects that you are highlighting
14:54.05dataw0lfhmmm.. I think I might have an idea
14:54.16wpsa hover state on the links may be nice
14:54.37wpsor perhaps change the background color of the entire page as you hover… something subtle, like 5% of the grey or something
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15:15.40macnewbold~morning
15:15.43jbotGood morning!
15:16.20macnewboldphlyte meeting tomorrow!
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16:32.24dataw0lfsomebody post to the mailing list and make work interesting.
16:33.25jsmithdataw0lf: I would, but it would probably start a flame war, and I'm too sick to care today.
16:33.38dataw0lfjsmith: flu?
16:33.45jsmithdataw0lf: Data center plague.
16:33.54dataw0lfjsmith: aahhh.
16:34.03dataw0lfjsmith: yeah, I have the backup blues.
16:34.20dataw0lfc'mon, start a flame war, I got your back.
16:35.02jsmithdataw0lf: Head cold, compounded by spending a week of long hours in a cold dry room, but frequently moving into hot, muggy air for meals, etc.
16:35.29jsmithdataw0lf: I could go off, about stupid code, stupid languages (JavaScript), and stupid database schemas...
16:35.50dataw0lfjsmith: yeah, the head cold is going around.
16:36.14jsmithdataw0lf: Well, it's in my lungs now... :-(  I cough and it sounds like the world is coming to an end.
16:36.27dataw0lfyech.  Gone to the doctor?
16:36.32jsmithNo.
16:36.35jsmithWhy?
16:36.45jsmithHe'll tell me to get plenty of rest and drink lots of water.
16:36.58dataw0lfon the off chance that he gives you a lollipop
16:37.25jsmithYeah, and then I'd miss a half-day of Monday meetings at work :-)
16:37.57dataw0lfthis sounds like a win win situation ;)
16:38.28jsmithIf I stay home though, my wife will find plenty of work for me to do, even in my weakened state.
16:38.34jsmithSo, its a no-win situation.
16:38.34dataw0lfhm, I was supposed to get my guys together for a meeting today. Oh well.
16:38.44dataw0lfjsmith: ah, yes, you're married, I forgot.
16:38.46jsmithBackup blues, eh?
16:38.53jsmithNo backups, or backups didn't work?
16:39.03dataw0lfNetVault is just acting funky.
16:39.16dataw0lfso I'm half heartedly screwing around with it.
16:39.33jsmithSounds like a scary proposition... at least you're not using Arkeia...
16:49.08dataw0lfoh yeah.  I've had to use Arkeia before, talk about the seventh level of Hell.
16:53.52mindjujusmart quotes and the like are in the 3rd level of hell - methinks
16:56.54dataw0lfactually, the 3rd level is reserved for users and supporters of Java. The SECOND level is smart quotes.
16:57.27mindjujunever really tried java - heard mixed reviews on it
16:57.44dataw0lfdon't bother.
17:15.04mindjujumac!  how was vacation?
17:15.08mindjujuor was it work related?
17:15.47macnewboldyes and no
17:16.05macnewboldfor tax purposes, it qualifies as a business trip, and I worked some while i was gone
17:16.13macnewboldbut the main purpose was a vacation
17:16.37macnewboldwe were in St. George, and spent a day in Cedar City at the Shakespearean Festival, where we saw Camelot
17:16.44mindjujuway cool, nothing like mixing a little business with pleasure
17:16.50macnewboldyep
17:17.14RyanEthose shakespearean geeks wandering the grounds creep me out, but the shows are good.  :)
17:18.33mindjujushakespearean geeks?  never heard of the breed -- sounds scarey
17:18.43mindjujus/scarey/scary
17:20.33dataw0lfI'm guessing he means the ones who dress up, speak in Ye Olde English, etc.
17:20.43dataw0lfYou know, the type of people that make you want to smack em.
17:24.04RyanEexactly
17:24.24RyanEthey get into it just a *bit* too much...
17:25.01mindjujuyour right, that guy needs to be hit
17:26.37dataw0lfI should go and bring a sword.
17:26.52dataw0lfand just charge one of them, screaming 'For King and Country!!!!'
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17:43.14mindjujuHow does it change many dyslexics to take a lightbulb?
17:43.36dataw0lfheh
17:50.05macnewboldmindjuju: how many?
17:50.39mindjujuon that one, that was it, --the whole joke
17:50.49mindjujugetting these from joke.com
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17:59.36mindjujurumor has it that dw really loves windows and has a windows 98 machine in his bedroom!  also heard he has a small shrine to gates in his closet!
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18:02.16dataw0lfWindows doesn't bother me _much_.
18:02.24dataw0lfIt's Apple that turns my stomach, remember.
18:18.21mindjujuwell about frickin' time!
18:18.22mindjujuhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/northamptonshire/4194098.stm
18:23.56mindjujuah, finally the first good news in a while
18:23.57mindjujuhttp://www.suntimes.com/output/news/oil29.html
18:24.05mindjujuOne analyst said pump prices nationwide would likely average more than $2.75 a gallon by week's end, up from about $2.60 a gallon Monday.
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19:58.10diskotec|wanyone have any suggestions or already have bookmarks of online sources handy that teach you how to use iptables effectively?  I'm googling that topic now but am interested in anything any of you may already have bookmarked because you thought it was an excellent source.  (online content or even books)
19:58.34mindjujudw gave a good talk on that a couple of meetings ago
19:58.44mindjujuthe slides should be on the uphpu site
19:59.11dataw0lfit was the only presentation that I could find on my hard drive this weekend, so it's sitting rather lonesome on my site right now.
19:59.14dataw0lfhttp://dataw0lf.org
19:59.17dataw0lfVery brief.
19:59.26dataw0lfAs far as books are concerned, I don't really know of any.
19:59.32dataw0lfthe LAH gives a very brief overview.
19:59.44dataw0lfbut, really, the best resource is the famouse iptables tutorial.
19:59.48dataw0lfs/famouse/famous
19:59.49mindjujudude, where'd the rest of your site go?
20:00.02dataw0lfI redid it
20:00.04dataw0lfhow you like?
20:01.12mindjujui like that your graphic is bigger. nav is simpler, easier to use
20:01.20mindjujuwhere'd your rants and stuff go?
20:01.30dataw0lfI'm not blogging anymore
20:01.39dataw0lfI'm just going to put up code, articles, and general rants.
20:01.52dataw0lfplus, as soon as I find where the rest of my presentations are hiding, those'll go up too.
20:03.34mindjujuit wasn't cause all the backlash you were getting about the story from DC was it?
20:04.08dataw0lfeh
20:04.10dataw0lfpart of it *shrug*
20:06.28mindjujubummer.  i was thinking about upgrading my site to include an online rant about oil as a political motivator for superpower/upcoming superpower countries and what I thought it meant for global society in the next 20 - 50 years
20:06.58dataw0lfwait, where's your site?
20:07.29mindjujuwell, i don't have the arguement up yet.  i'm still researching
20:09.00dataw0lfwuss.
20:09.38mindjujuwuss?  nah, i want it to be well thought out and have a bibliography
20:09.52mindjujuwith reputable sources
20:10.17mindjujubut I do need to hurry cause at the rate we are going, it will be a history report instead of a prognastication
20:10.30mindjuju$70 barrel for crude?  yuck
20:10.43mindjujuthat is a $30 increase from last year alone
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20:17.43diskotec|wfamous iptables tutorial = http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/   ???
20:17.57dataw0lfYeah.
20:18.02diskotec|wcool...thanks
20:34.35dataw0lfdiskotec|w: np
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21:45.04mindjujuTheo de Raadt made the forbes maverick list
21:45.08mindjujuhttp://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2005/0704/071.html
21:47.07dataw0lfmindjuju: *twitch*
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22:02.37diskotec|wthat guy is pretty ...uh...out there
22:03.10dataw0lfhe's an idiot
22:06.17diskotec|wso there is no rank and file to openbsd?  if this guy gets in a car accident and dies...will open bsd die?
22:06.32wpsdang
22:06.54wpsI wonder which decade enough browsers will support this CSS3 candy that we'll actually be able to use it
22:06.58wpshttp://webkit.opendarwin.org/blog/?p=22
22:07.58dataw0lfwps: 2310 <-- best guess
22:08.16wpsyou're probably dang close, dataw0lf
22:16.59jsmithI'll be optimistic and say 2020...
22:21.23wpsI wonder where PHP will be at then
22:21.43wpsI wonder if I'll be doing anything with PHP in 2020
22:21.58dataw0lfby that time we'll be designing applications with MIND BULLETS!1!
22:22.01dataw0lf;)
22:22.07wpsmind bullets?
22:22.23fungus~mind bullets
22:22.39mindjuju~jbot
22:22.40jbot[jbot] dumb
22:22.46fungus~google mind bullets
22:22.50wpsI wonder if jbot has remembered how to google yet
22:22.56wps~google jbot
22:24.07dataw0lfyes, mind bullets.
22:24.32jsmithdataw0lf: Pray tell, what are mind bullets?
22:24.47dataw0lfpssh
22:24.58dataw0lfbullets created with your MIND.
22:24.59dataw0lfduh.
22:34.45jsmithPHPBullets... there's a scary thought.
22:35.48Utah_Davehave any of you  used OpenBSD?
22:38.37mindjujumacnewbold is a big fan of OpenBSD
22:43.01fungusI use OpenBSD for my firewall/router at home.
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22:56.29fungusok, is that mess all done finally?
22:56.29mindjujuwhat mess?
22:56.55fungusnetsplits
22:57.08wpsI think they're funny
22:57.11mindjujueverybody leaving and joining?  that was wierd
22:57.18wps(mostly because my client makes funny noises)
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23:07.56jsmithTree just landed on my in-laws house in Mississippi.
23:08.05wpsyikes!
23:08.10jsmithPut several large holes in the roof, knocked the brick off of one outside wall.
23:08.39jsmithOh, and did I mention they're 150 miles inland?!?
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23:46.56macnewbold~slap mindjuju
23:46.57jbotACTION slaps mindjuju, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
23:47.06macnewboldI'm _NOT_ a fan (big or otherwise) of OpenBSD
23:47.11macnewboldFreeBSD rules the planet
23:49.12fungusOpenBSD used to rule, before FreeBSD got pf.

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