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| 19:04.01 | mindjuju | yo d dub |
| 19:05.06 | dataw0lf- | sup |
| 19:05.22 | mindjuju | not much, just coding some stuff, u? |
| 19:05.43 | dataw0lf- | grimacing in pain because I put my labret piercing back in and it hurt hard core. |
| 20:01.05 | mindjuju | watch out for infection |
| 20:01.11 | mindjuju | had the hole closed? |
| 20:01.38 | dataw0lf- | just a little bit. |
| 20:01.41 | dataw0lf- | no worries, I keep it clean. |
| 20:01.50 | dataw0lf- | and put bactine on it before I inserted it again. |
| 20:01.53 | dataw0lf- | and then afterwards |
| 20:01.58 | dataw0lf- | then put some salt water on it. |
| 20:02.34 | mindjuju | nothing like home surgery to keep everything going |
| 20:02.38 | dataw0lf- | I'm quite experienced with the artistic self mutilation re: cleanliness. |
| 20:02.44 | dataw0lf- | true, true. |
| 20:03.12 | dataw0lf- | I used to hook IVs to myself while drunk in Germany because I was CLS and had them in my CLS bag. Sober up around 2 am and go back out. |
| 20:04.01 | mindjuju | what's CLS? |
| 20:06.24 | mindjuju | Combat Lifesaver? |
| 20:06.30 | dataw0lf- | correct |
| 20:09.03 | mindjuju | we'll that's a much higher level than what I go (with the IVs), but it is amazing what you can do with a few simple things like an exacto knife, alchol, hyrdogen peroxide, etc |
| 20:10.37 | dataw0lf- | and chlorophorm |
| 20:10.39 | dataw0lf- | at the club |
| 20:10.41 | dataw0lf- | with a girl |
| 20:10.45 | dataw0lf- | muhahahaha! |
| 20:10.58 | mindjuju | man, combat lifesaving. that's pretty cool, as far as training i got, i have first aid merit badge, and american red cross basic water resue / life saving, CPR -- just the bare basics |
| 20:11.23 | dataw0lf- | yeah, CLS was pretty cool. |
| 20:11.33 | dataw0lf- | especially when you gotta stick your battle buddy with an IV with nvgs on |
| 20:11.40 | dataw0lf- | that's some scary stuff. |
| 20:11.50 | dataw0lf- | you basically have to do it all by feel. |
| 20:11.56 | dataw0lf- | since you can't see any veins. |
| 20:13.23 | mindjuju | that speaks volumes about you, though -- keeping cool under stressful situations, advanced knowledge of human anatomy... |
| 20:14.51 | mindjuju | i've heard EMTs make really good money, ever thought about that? |
| 20:16.06 | dataw0lf- | actually I did, and have a couple of books for the certification test. |
| 20:16.15 | dataw0lf- | when I was going through SFAS I was thinking of becoming an SF medic. |
| 20:16.37 | dataw0lf- | but, I've decided to become a helicopter pilot. |
| 20:16.42 | dataw0lf- | flight school in October. |
| 20:17.03 | mindjuju | your kidding! |
| 20:19.17 | dataw0lf- | Nope. |
| 20:19.35 | dataw0lf- | I know alot about choppers already, and I think it'd be awesome to be a helicopter pilot while I do consulting on the side. |
| 20:22.45 | mindjuju | ugh, some days I hate politics. like this blockhead who just uses buzzwords to get attention but doesn't provide any solutions |
| 20:22.45 | mindjuju | http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050821/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq |
| 20:23.54 | dataw0lf- | yeah, but he's basically right. |
| 20:24.06 | dataw0lf- | we're further entrenching ourselves in a nowin situation. |
| 20:24.16 | mindjuju | k, true, but the question here is why is he saying it? |
| 20:24.30 | mindjuju | presidential candidate 08? |
| 20:24.33 | mindjuju | yup |
| 20:25.03 | dataw0lf- | I've, unfortunately, learned that why a politician is saying something isn't a good reason anymore to judge them. |
| 20:25.14 | dataw0lf- | since they all have their own murkey, greedy, private agendas. |
| 20:25.21 | dataw0lf- | besides McCain |
| 20:27.16 | mindjuju | can't say i've really studied McCain's stances on policy. But can I just tell you the creepiest thing I saw? |
| 20:27.36 | dataw0lf- | what's that? |
| 20:28.08 | mindjuju | When i was in China in 1999, I saw what the state run media did to the people, and it was crazy, the TV would say something and you'd hear all the people repeat it like zombies. When I came back to the states, i saw the same thing and I had never noticed it before |
| 20:28.37 | mindjuju | albiet, different types of zombies, some repubs, some dems, but all doing the same thing, hearing rhetoric, never studying, always repeating |
| 20:28.40 | dataw0lf- | yeah, it's getting worse and worse. |
| 20:28.53 | dataw0lf- | partisan politics are just a smokescreen, they're all run by the same people. |
| 20:29.17 | dataw0lf- | they dwell on stupid topics like abortion to lead the sheep astray, while they screw us on real, government issues. |
| 20:32.20 | mindjuju | just out of curiosity, which topics do you think they should focus on? |
| 20:32.48 | dataw0lf- | foreign relations, the economy, violent crime, education. |
| 20:35.26 | dataw0lf- | scientific / medicinal research too |
| 20:35.51 | dataw0lf- | I wonder how much money the pharmaceutical companies would lose if stem cell research was allowed to advance with no restrictions. Don't you? |
| 20:36.39 | mindjuju | sorry, was reading this, |
| 20:36.39 | mindjuju | http://mccain.senate.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Newscenter.ViewArticle&Content_id=703 |
| 20:37.23 | mindjuju | i've never considered a link between stem cell research and loss of profits for pharmacuetcals. is there one? |
| 20:38.16 | mindjuju | when you say foreign relations, do you mean on the personal level, or do you mean like in the UN? do you support the UN? |
| 20:40.09 | dataw0lf- | mindjuju: yeah, there's a link. |
| 20:40.21 | dataw0lf- | I'd support the UN if it wasn't just a puppet of the United States. |
| 20:42.08 | mindjuju | i'm not a big fan of the UN, but because I think they crater to the will of the US, but rather, the countries that play a member are there for their own personal reasons. for example, it is my thought that the countries against action in Iraq weren't against it for causes of peace, but rather, it harmed their own personal interest, but it was portrayed (at least i interrepted it as such) that they were arguing for peace |
| 20:44.04 | mindjuju | so with McCain's thought that we should go into Iraq with guns-ablazing, how does that fit with your thought when you left Afghanistan and were being moved to Iraq (cause i remember that you said you didn't think it was a good idea) |
| 20:44.35 | mindjuju | were you fearful that it was the wrong policy, or were you afraid it there weren't going to be enough forces to do it right? |
| 20:45.47 | mindjuju | curious about the link to pharmacetical companies. seems like they'd be the first ones to profit by it. insta-liver pill, etc |
| 20:51.00 | dataw0lf- | wrong policy AND a bad decision re: going to Iraq. |
| 20:51.22 | dataw0lf- | my unit was on the front lines in Afghan making contact with the enemy regularly enough to know we were on the right track. |
| 20:51.26 | dataw0lf- | and we're pulled out to prep for Iraq. |
| 20:51.47 | dataw0lf- | the pharaceutical company link I don't even understand very well myself, my Mom explained it to me one time. |
| 20:53.10 | mindjuju | you know, this is going to sound weird, maybe i've seen too many xFiles ( i freely admit, i love that show), but what if we already have Osama? if we had an alterior motive for Iraq, wouldn't we have to keep Osama tucked away until the motive achieved? isn't it curious how Osama always seems to pop up when support hits a low? just the xfiles in me, i guess |
| 20:56.51 | mindjuju | on the pharm stuff, i could see them losing monies on various drugs that may not have as much relavence, but I think they'd bank on the ability to produce organs. course though, the capitialist in me thinks that if i were a pharm company, i'd merge the two roads as an offering. kidney failure and broke? We've got a pill for you! kidney failure and rich? We've got a kidney for you |
| 20:58.29 | mindjuju | wow, mccain and I agree on this point |
| 20:58.29 | mindjuju | While Hagel attributes much of the tension with traditional allies to American actions, McCain pins most of the blame on the "calculated self-interest" of France and Germany and "Arab tyrants" who fear the example of a democratic, post-Hussein Iraq. |
| 21:00.40 | mindjuju | well, i'd better finish my project |
| 21:05.47 | dataw0lf- | mindjuju: what you working on? |
| 21:06.03 | mindjuju | an app to build / monitor surveys |
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