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| 01:36.01 | diskotec|w | this java script is sort of interesting.... http://javascript.internet.com/navigation/links-with-a-twist.html# |
| 01:38.57 | cycokilr | that's pretty cool.. but i gotta tell ya.. i really don't like anything that makes the page shift around like that after it's loaded.. |
| 01:39.14 | cycokilr | if the pics were out to the side it might be a bit cooler.. |
| 02:07.27 | diskotec|w | yeah...the only place I saw a use for it is on a left or right navigation menu where there wouldn't be anything else under it. |
| 02:08.22 | diskotec|w | I like the idea of it coming out on the side as well. |
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| 03:02.22 | *** topic/#uphpu by bigdog_ut -> Meeting tonight @ 7 PM | Utah PHP User Group |
| 03:02.33 | *** topic/#uphpu by bigdog_ut -> Meeting tonight @ 7 PM | Utah PHP User Group | http://www.uphpu.org |
| 03:03.00 | jsmith | How was the meeting? |
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| 03:07.14 | Utah_Dave | me too |
| 03:07.46 | jsmith | I swear -- *every* time I try to go to the meeting, something comes up. |
| 03:08.05 | *** topic/#uphpu by wps -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 03:08.19 | wps | dang, were you two among those that went? |
| 03:16.45 | wps | jsmith |
| 03:16.50 | wps | Utah_Dave |
| 03:16.56 | wps | I am sorry that the meeting didn't happen |
| 03:17.14 | wps | I feel really bad that there were people that drove out there and then it didn't happen |
| 03:18.14 | jsmith | No, I didn't make it... |
| 03:18.25 | jsmith | I had stuff come up, as usual. |
| 03:18.33 | wps | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.50 | Utah_Dave | sorry, no I wasn't able to go. I'm in the Young Men's presidency and we have Young Men's every Tuesday night |
| 03:25.25 | bigdog_ut | so the presenter did not show up? |
| 03:26.12 | wps | yeah |
| 03:26.20 | wps | and the linux networx guys weren't there either |
| 03:26.24 | wps | the place was all locked up |
| 03:26.30 | bigdog_ut | oh that is nice |
| 03:26.52 | wps | I have left messages but haven't heard back yet |
| 03:27.05 | bigdog_ut | messages with? |
| 03:27.49 | wps | our contact at Linux Networx |
| 03:27.56 | Utah_Dave | wow |
| 03:28.00 | bigdog_ut | oh...that is tough |
| 03:28.19 | Utah_Dave | I wonder if the presenter went to Code Greene where we have the Phlyte meetings. |
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| 03:28.45 | eco | How do I post a book review? |
| 03:28.51 | wps | no, I just heard from him |
| 03:28.55 | bigdog_ut | go to the review section |
| 03:29.01 | bigdog_ut | and then you can submit it there |
| 03:29.27 | wps | eco, the Publish an Article link in the top nav bar |
| 03:29.37 | bigdog_ut | and you need to be logged in |
| 03:29.39 | eco | Ah, there we go. |
| 03:29.41 | wps | he couldn't do tonight, but never let me know until a few minutes ago |
| 03:30.07 | bigdog_ut | the presenter did not let you know? |
| 03:30.23 | Utah_Dave | If Linux Networx isn't going to work, I got permission from my boss to have the meetings where I work. It's farther away though at the National Guard base at Camp Williams, so I don't know if everyone is going to want to go out there |
| 03:30.52 | wps | thanks Utah_Dave, we have a standing invitation at a place at 106th that is good |
| 03:31.11 | wps | bigdog_ut, he says that he didn't get my email asking if we were on until just a few moments ago |
| 03:31.22 | bigdog_ut | wow |
| 03:31.28 | wps | i sent it a week ago |
| 03:31.37 | bigdog_ut | i guess dataw0lf needs to present again |
| 03:31.43 | wps | he said that he didn't think that it was confirmed |
| 03:32.16 | wps | he must not be subscribed to the UPHPU mailing lists, our RSS feeds, or visit our website then because it's been up there that he was presenting |
| 03:32.46 | wps | I'm not upset, but I am frustrated for those that did arrive because they will be less interested in coming out again next time |
| 03:33.15 | bigdog_ut | how many showed up? |
| 03:33.27 | wps | 8 |
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| 03:33.49 | bigdog_ut | only 8?. |
| 03:35.49 | jsmith | I'd present, if I had the time... |
| 03:36.09 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 03:36.17 | bigdog_ut | what are you doing...you aint that busy |
| 03:36.21 | wps | well, we could have just taught each other about just about anything except that we couldn't get inside |
| 03:36.29 | bigdog_ut | wps i think i might want to present on postgresq |
| 03:36.39 | wps | that'd be great |
| 03:36.55 | wps | i want someone to present on AJAD |
| 03:36.56 | wps | AJAX |
| 03:37.09 | bigdog_ut | that is crap |
| 03:37.11 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 03:37.17 | jsmith | Let's see -- I'm working like 60 hours a week (and that's the weeks I'm in town -- the other weeks it's more like 80), I'm proofreading my book (almost ready to hit the presses), doing Asterisk consulting, and working on my wife's websites. |
| 03:37.35 | jsmith | wps: Speaking of AJAX, have you seen openrico.org yet? |
| 03:37.43 | wps | i haven't |
| 03:38.44 | bigdog_ut | nice website |
| 03:39.07 | jsmith | wps: So go look... |
| 03:39.18 | wps | am |
| 03:39.25 | jsmith | I need to write a PHP wrapper around rico... |
| 03:40.11 | bigdog_ut | you could do some killer stuff with php and ajax |
| 03:41.18 | Utah_Dave | well, night everyone. |
| 03:41.35 | bigdog_ut | its only 9:41pm |
| 03:41.49 | bigdog_ut | wish i could go to sleep |
| 03:43.27 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: I could, if I had the time... |
| 03:43.42 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 03:43.49 | bigdog_ut | i work until i pass out |
| 03:44.07 | jsmith | I would too, but I did that last night... |
| 03:44.18 | jsmith | (and it was my anniversary.... doh!) |
| 03:44.47 | bigdog_ut | that is how i work...i work until i fall asleep on my keyboard |
| 03:44.55 | bigdog_ut | which is around 2am |
| 04:10.18 | bigdog_ut | ~wake all |
| 04:10.18 | jbot | all: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 04:11.04 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: I'm still awake... |
| 04:11.13 | diskotec|w | anyone know how to find out what login is being used on a server without using ctrl-alt-del ? |
| 04:11.25 | diskotec|w | win2k server |
| 04:12.06 | bigdog_ut | the default one in the settings |
| 04:12.09 | jsmith | diskotec|w: Should be a one-liner in vbscript... unfortunately, I wouldn't know what that line is... |
| 04:13.06 | diskotec|w | hmm |
| 04:13.52 | jsmith | diskotec|w: echo %USERPROFILE% (from within a DOS box) |
| 04:14.08 | jsmith | diskotec|w: That'll give you the directory name, which is most likely the username |
| 04:14.17 | jsmith | It's a hack, but it just might work. |
| 04:14.58 | diskotec|w | cool |
| 04:15.09 | diskotec|w | I'll give it a try |
| 04:16.03 | diskotec|w | ah...that was easy. thx |
| 05:31.05 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Wake up ... you're drooling on your keyboard |
| 05:31.37 | bigdog_ut | im awake |
| 05:33.53 | jsmith | Just checking... |
| 05:34.02 | jsmith | Later all... |
| 05:37.06 | bigdog_ut | night |
| 06:06.20 | dataw0lf- | evening bigdog_ut |
| 06:06.29 | dataw0lf- | sup everyone else |
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| 06:28.39 | bigdog_ut | evenin dataw0lf- |
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| 06:30.10 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf-, you still around? |
| 06:30.17 | dataw0lf- | bigdog_ut: been a while, the man (tm) keeping you down? |
| 06:30.19 | dataw0lf- | yeah I'm here |
| 06:31.10 | bigdog_ut | yeah he is keepin me down |
| 06:31.15 | bigdog_ut | now work really sucks |
| 06:31.41 | bigdog_ut | i thought about leavin but im waiting for my top secret clearance still |
| 06:31.43 | dataw0lf- | word |
| 06:31.49 | dataw0lf- | gotta get that, it's worth so much |
| 06:32.01 | bigdog_ut | yeah, and nothing out of my pocket |
| 06:32.13 | dataw0lf- | wish I had a TS |
| 06:32.17 | bigdog_ut | so it might be another year or so...they told me 18 months |
| 06:32.35 | bigdog_ut | but who knows |
| 06:32.58 | bigdog_ut | i thought they said it could be faster when you have family that already has it |
| 06:33.42 | bigdog_ut | hows workin going for ya? |
| 06:33.46 | dataw0lf- | really good. |
| 06:33.49 | dataw0lf- | had to fire a guy. |
| 06:33.59 | bigdog_ut | really...what for? |
| 06:34.06 | dataw0lf- | being a complete and utter idiot. |
| 06:34.15 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 06:34.18 | dataw0lf- | a year from a B.S. in CS too |
| 06:34.22 | bigdog_ut | we have some of them |
| 06:34.26 | RyanE | ouch |
| 06:34.27 | bigdog_ut | really |
| 06:34.30 | dataw0lf- | Yeah. |
| 06:34.31 | bigdog_ut | what school? |
| 06:34.37 | dataw0lf- | U of U |
| 06:34.43 | bigdog_ut | wow |
| 06:34.47 | dataw0lf- | he's an idiot. |
| 06:34.52 | dataw0lf- | and people tell me to finish my degree. |
| 06:34.53 | bigdog_ut | does not suprise me though |
| 06:34.55 | dataw0lf- | mrawh |
| 06:34.59 | bigdog_ut | tons of theory and no experience |
| 06:35.04 | dataw0lf- | that's why I'm getting a zoology degree when I go back. |
| 06:35.12 | dataw0lf- | well, school doesn't help sys admin whatsoever. |
| 06:35.15 | dataw0lf- | programming, sure. |
| 06:35.22 | bigdog_ut | programming to an extent |
| 06:35.23 | dataw0lf- | not administration. |
| 06:35.34 | bigdog_ut | we have a phd guy that sucks at programming tooo |
| 06:35.39 | RyanE | appears that idiots come in all types, though... We had to fire a co-worker because he couldn't actually produce code fast enough. |
| 06:35.49 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 06:35.58 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: what? |
| 06:36.02 | dataw0lf- | keeping line counts or something? |
| 06:36.03 | RyanE | he wanted to refactor working code to make it more C++ class-oriented... |
| 06:36.06 | dataw0lf- | or he was just completely lazy. |
| 06:36.08 | dataw0lf- | oh |
| 06:36.10 | dataw0lf- | one of them. |
| 06:36.14 | RyanE | no, I produced 3 drivers, he produced 0 in the same time. |
| 06:36.23 | RyanE | he wasn't lazy, I think he was just out of his element a bit |
| 06:36.25 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 06:36.48 | RyanE | so instead of plowing into it, he'd focus on parts that you could generalize, and then use that as an excuse for not producing results |
| 06:36.53 | dataw0lf- | what platform / device you writing drivers for again? |
| 06:37.11 | RyanE | C++ / targets both WinXP and embedded Linux on ARM |
| 06:37.17 | RyanE | UI in C# |
| 06:37.30 | dataw0lf- | never done any driver code in C++ |
| 06:37.33 | dataw0lf- | how you liking it? |
| 06:37.46 | RyanE | I like it fine. I was a bit tired of the LAMP programming |
| 06:38.00 | dataw0lf- | yeah, LAMP can be ... meh |
| 06:38.02 | RyanE | not the 'L' part, mind you, or even the 'A'... just the 'MP' part... :) |
| 06:38.03 | dataw0lf- | professionally anyways |
| 06:38.08 | dataw0lf- | hehe |
| 06:38.22 | dataw0lf- | yeah, I like to switch that to PP |
| 06:38.25 | dataw0lf- | Postgres/Python |
| 06:38.27 | RyanE | even though I like PHP, and I can think in it, it's not that much fun. |
| 06:38.50 | dataw0lf- | see, I'm the opposite. I have fun programming in PHP, but I don't like it's design much. at all. |
| 06:38.59 | dataw0lf- | I feel dirty when I use it, I dunno. |
| 06:39.08 | RyanE | I hear you, bro, but no time...no time to learn Python / Ruby on Rails / etc. |
| 06:39.19 | dataw0lf- | oh, yeah, I understand. |
| 06:39.32 | RyanE | I come from a straight C background, and PHP felt like C with strings to me. |
| 06:39.42 | dataw0lf- | Yeah, same background I come from. |
| 06:40.07 | dataw0lf- | PHP felt more like a Perl library that had split off and simplified... oh.. wait..... |
| 06:40.12 | RyanE | my first job out of BYU was programming 30 or so operator screens, in Curses and C for Geneva Steel... |
| 06:40.15 | RyanE | yeah, valid point |
| 06:40.18 | RyanE | HAHAHA |
| 06:40.27 | dataw0lf- | <3 curses |
| 06:40.32 | RyanE | like... simplified... then unsimplified to the point of becoming the thing it hates... |
| 06:40.38 | dataw0lf- | exactly. |
| 06:40.46 | dataw0lf- | the whole OOP thing is bugging me. |
| 06:40.54 | dataw0lf- | I don't believe in just, like, throwing OOP over something. |
| 06:40.56 | RyanE | never had the patience to learn Perl, either, though I can hobble along if I must. |
| 06:41.18 | dataw0lf- | I used Perl alot as my first scripting language, but then I found Python and never turned back. |
| 06:41.22 | RyanE | yeah, every time someone OOPifies something, they end up having to go redesign it again, then alienate the world with the update (read Perl / PHP / etc.) |
| 06:41.26 | dataw0lf- | that was 3 or 4 years ago or something |
| 06:41.32 | dataw0lf- | yeah. |
| 06:41.40 | dataw0lf- | that's why I like Python. It's OOP makes sense. |
| 06:41.48 | dataw0lf- | and it isn't trying to adhere to one particular methodology. |
| 06:41.49 | RyanE | I've only really read RH's installer which is in Python, but it's not a great OOP example |
| 06:41.55 | RyanE | kickstart |
| 06:41.59 | dataw0lf- | yeah, meh. |
| 06:42.06 | dataw0lf- | RH's work in Python, imho, is terrible. |
| 06:42.14 | RyanE | and I didn't know Python or *anything* about it at the time, so that helped. :) |
| 06:42.28 | RyanE | incl. indentation mattering, although I quickly figured that out. |
| 06:42.39 | dataw0lf- | hehe |
| 06:43.02 | RyanE | you admin largish iron, no? |
| 06:43.09 | RyanE | don't you do some Sun stuff as well as Linux? |
| 06:43.12 | dataw0lf- | mmm, medium business. |
| 06:43.21 | RyanE | or am I confusing you with another sysadmin-type. |
| 06:43.23 | dataw0lf- | me? Nah, I've played with SPARC arch a bit. |
| 06:43.33 | dataw0lf- | Unix wise at work it's Tru64. |
| 06:43.39 | RyanE | aha. |
| 06:44.16 | RyanE | the stuff for Geneva was all HPUX 8 and 9. Not bad at the time (92'ish) |
| 06:44.34 | dataw0lf- | yeah, HP-UX was my first foray into the *nix world when I was 13-14 or so. |
| 06:44.42 | dataw0lf- | I don't mind it. |
| 06:44.58 | RyanE | I was not admining it, though. Once I raised the ire of the sysadmins there, though... |
| 06:45.17 | dataw0lf- | oh, yeah, I wasn't adminning either. I was using my parents account at Northwestern. |
| 06:45.40 | dataw0lf- | only way to access a compiler for me :) |
| 06:45.44 | RyanE | I ran 'xballs' or something like that, which was an X app that every time you clicked, it would add another ball to your screen, which would bounce around... I clicked a LOT, and the X traffic was bringing their server load up quite a bit... |
| 06:45.51 | dataw0lf- | haha |
| 06:45.54 | RyanE | but it was really fun. |
| 06:46.19 | RyanE | I figured a way I could UUCP out to a modem and dial the university to download X source apps, and then compile them as tricks against the slow-witted employees. |
| 06:46.23 | RyanE | like Xflip and Xmelt |
| 06:46.34 | dataw0lf- | hehe, that's awesome. |
| 06:46.38 | RyanE | of course, on their slow X servers, xmelt took like 45 seconds to run. |
| 06:47.15 | dataw0lf- | http://dataw0lf.phonese.cx/comments.php?607 <-- there's one of our arrays, hooked up to our ES40. |
| 06:47.26 | dataw0lf- | a bit older, but still jawesome |
| 06:48.01 | RyanE | yeah, you mentioned a link to that a few days ago. fun stuff. |
| 06:48.12 | dataw0lf- | I love it. |
| 06:48.20 | RyanE | love those telecom-style backplanes and blade servers. |
| 06:48.34 | RyanE | I wish I had some at home, although I obviously couldn't use that kind of horsepower |
| 06:48.39 | dataw0lf- | mmmm oh yeah |
| 06:48.59 | dataw0lf- | I still want to hook up a 10 node or so SPARC cluster. |
| 06:49.08 | dataw0lf- | I got screwed about half a year ago when I tried to order a pallet of em. |
| 06:49.12 | dataw0lf- | (from ebay) |
| 06:49.19 | RyanE | ouch. |
| 06:49.43 | dataw0lf- | course, I don't have a garage anymore, either, and I'm not putting that in my apartment. |
| 06:50.16 | RyanE | hehe. I could use one in my cubicle at work... A/C vent right above my desk. I put on a mr. Rogers sweater every afternoon. |
| 06:50.26 | dataw0lf- | haha. |
| 06:51.02 | dataw0lf- | my office is the perfect place in our building tempature wise. |
| 06:51.13 | dataw0lf- | the marketing guy's office to my right is always too hot. |
| 06:51.20 | dataw0lf- | and my boss's office to the left is too cold. |
| 06:51.23 | dataw0lf- | I'm juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust right |
| 06:51.25 | dataw0lf- | ;) |
| 06:51.59 | RyanE | hehe |
| 06:52.13 | RyanE | I used to work at home, and my office was always 5 degrees warmer than the rest of the house |
| 06:52.17 | RyanE | which is how I liked it. |
| 06:54.11 | dataw0lf- | yeah. |
| 06:54.25 | dataw0lf- | I really can't work at home for more than 4 months at any one time. |
| 06:54.37 | dataw0lf- | without a 9-5 job to keep me steady, anyways. |
| 06:54.55 | RyanE | I liked it, but the company was pretty laid-back. Basically, work the hours you need, but get your stuff done on time. |
| 06:55.02 | dataw0lf- | Yeah. |
| 06:55.07 | dataw0lf- | that's how my 9-5 job is right now. |
| 06:55.19 | dataw0lf- | minimum hours is 40 |
| 06:55.25 | RyanE | it was nice, esp. because I have 5 kids, so 'twas nice to have lunch with them, etc. |
| 06:55.32 | dataw0lf- | 5 kids? wow. |
| 06:55.38 | dataw0lf- | I had 5 brothers and sisters, I know how that goes. |
| 06:55.44 | RyanE | yeah, all those blonde ones at the BBQ |
| 06:55.58 | dataw0lf- | hehe |
| 06:56.00 | RyanE | the blonde ones with the red faces because of the heat of the playground |
| 06:56.10 | dataw0lf- | Nice. |
| 06:56.40 | dataw0lf- | yeah, I was the babysitter for my brothers and sisters alot because of my parents both having to finish post grad educations. |
| 06:56.45 | dataw0lf- | whew. |
| 06:56.47 | RyanE | yeah, they had fun, but my wife isn't interested in any more UPHPU BBQs... |
| 06:56.49 | dataw0lf- | can't imagine being a parent to that many. |
| 06:56.57 | RyanE | well, they didnt' arrive all at once. |
| 06:56.58 | RyanE | :) |
| 06:57.02 | dataw0lf- | I didn't scare her off with my tattoos did I? :( |
| 06:57.04 | dataw0lf- | ;) |
| 06:57.10 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: that'd be insane. |
| 06:57.23 | RyanE | yep |
| 06:57.23 | dataw0lf- | 5 2 year olds. |
| 06:57.43 | dataw0lf- | I scared her off? |
| 06:57.45 | dataw0lf- | hehe |
| 06:57.55 | dataw0lf- | but I'm so much nicer in real life! |
| 06:58.28 | RyanE | naw. she wasn't fond of the heat and geekiness |
| 06:58.41 | dataw0lf- | hehe, they usually aren't. |
| 06:58.54 | RyanE | the last one was held closer to the house, so that helped. |
| 06:59.02 | dataw0lf- | where do you live? |
| 07:00.17 | RyanE | Highland. |
| 07:00.40 | dataw0lf- | ah, cool. |
| 07:00.49 | RyanE | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=11381+Sampson+Dr,+American+Fork,+UT+84003&spn=0.027617,0.066617&hl=en |
| 07:00.50 | dataw0lf- | I live like 6 blocks away from the park, so it worked for me. |
| 07:00.56 | RyanE | yep |
| 07:01.32 | dataw0lf- | man, I need to start my own business in a couple years. |
| 07:01.37 | dataw0lf- | bigdog_ut: hurry up and get your TS. |
| 07:01.45 | RyanE | we've also had kind of a busy summer, so I think we're all getting tired of 'extra' activities. |
| 07:02.02 | dataw0lf- | Yeah, I, unfortunately, haven't done much this summer. |
| 07:02.06 | dataw0lf- | Except attend Def-Con. |
| 07:02.31 | dataw0lf- | I stopped doing contracts for Canonical, then got sucked back in and a load of work was thrust upon me. |
| 07:02.34 | bigdog_ut | im workin on it |
| 07:02.37 | RyanE | and arm-wrestled a large-armed woman, as I recall. |
| 07:02.52 | dataw0lf- | Snow... *shudder* |
| 07:04.43 | dataw0lf- | mhraw. I'm going to go to sleep, gdb is no help when you're dog tired. |
| 07:04.46 | dataw0lf- | g'night everyone. |
| 07:04.57 | bigdog_ut | night |
| 07:06.08 | RyanE | night |
| 07:07.12 | dataw0lf- | oh, before I forget |
| 07:07.26 | dataw0lf- | bigdog_ut: I'll have the review for that postgres book to you by Friday. |
| 07:07.34 | bigdog_ut | cool |
| 07:07.34 | dataw0lf- | It was very good. |
| 07:07.40 | bigdog_ut | good to hear |
| 07:07.45 | dataw0lf- | but I don't expect any less from Matthews and Stone |
| 07:07.51 | bigdog_ut | i was thinking of doing a pres on pgsql in october |
| 07:07.58 | dataw0lf- | that'd be nice. |
| 07:08.08 | bigdog_ut | do some advanced stuff though |
| 07:08.18 | bigdog_ut | no wussiey stuff |
| 07:08.20 | dataw0lf- | mmm PL |
| 07:08.22 | RyanE | amen |
| 07:08.34 | RyanE | you can show us MySQL wussies what we've been missing |
| 07:08.41 | bigdog_ut | show the real power of pgsql |
| 07:08.44 | dataw0lf- | ummm... a database? |
| 07:08.45 | dataw0lf- | :) |
| 07:08.47 | RyanE | HAHAHA |
| 07:08.57 | bigdog_ut | relations |
| 07:09.04 | bigdog_ut | plpgsql |
| 07:09.07 | RyanE | PK/FK and MORE! |
| 07:09.15 | bigdog_ut | yeah that is one thing |
| 07:09.18 | bigdog_ut | realms |
| 07:09.27 | RyanE | of course, we don't need a DB hoover every 5 minutes, either. |
| 07:09.29 | bigdog_ut | relations between tables |
| 07:09.30 | bigdog_ut | domains |
| 07:09.48 | bigdog_ut | parent-child tables |
| 07:09.59 | bigdog_ut | i dont even think mysql supports that |
| 07:10.20 | dataw0lf- | RyanE: pshaw |
| 07:10.31 | cycokilr | i think i looked for that once and couldn't find anything on it.. |
| 07:10.47 | bigdog_ut | cycokilr, on what/ |
| 07:10.58 | dataw0lf- | alright, me sleeps |
| 07:10.59 | dataw0lf- | for real |
| 07:11.02 | RyanE | I'll be the first to admit I've never run pgsql, and for my dorky website, Mysql is fine, but I'd love to run a *real* relational DB |
| 07:11.05 | RyanE | later. |
| 07:11.05 | cycokilr | tried to do something like that with mysql.. |
| 07:11.20 | bigdog_ut | parent-child tables |
| 07:11.38 | cycokilr | maybe.. if it means what i think it means.. |
| 07:11.50 | cycokilr | what do you do with em? |
| 07:11.51 | bigdog_ut | what do you think it means? |
| 07:11.57 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 07:12.16 | bigdog_ut | basically it is inheritance from tables |
| 07:13.09 | RyanE | so animal(id, fur, eyecolor) -> dog((animal), dog food), cat((animal), cat food)? |
| 07:13.14 | cycokilr | sorry, i thought you said parent-child databases earlier on.. i was trying something with multiple databases.. not tables in the same db.. |
| 07:17.51 | bigdog_ut | http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.0/static/ddl-inherit.html |
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| 14:24.41 | macnewbold | ~yow |
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| 15:06.22 | macnewbold | ~seen wps |
| 15:06.24 | jbot | wps <n=wade@65.73.113.199> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 11h 27m 6s ago, saying: 'am'. |
| 15:08.37 | jsmith | He's probably so upset about the meeting last night that he can't manage to log into IRC |
| 15:10.48 | macnewbold | yeah, maybe |
| 15:11.07 | macnewbold | now I'm glad I went to the other thing I had going on, instead of skipping it to go to UPHPU |
| 15:11.15 | jsmith | When I talked to him last night, he was pretty bummed... |
| 15:11.23 | macnewbold | we've had a hard time this summer getting meetings together |
| 15:11.40 | macnewbold | I feel bad for those 8 people |
| 15:11.46 | macnewbold | that went only to get sent away |
| 15:12.02 | jsmith | Yeah, but stuff happens, you know? |
| 15:12.09 | macnewbold | hopefully they all went out for ice cream or something... :) |
| 15:12.22 | macnewbold | it's extra sad that the linux networx guys didn't show, and neither did the presenter |
| 15:20.22 | dataw0lf | whew, same here |
| 15:20.31 | dataw0lf | I would've been one mad dw if I had |
| 15:21.20 | diskotec|w | especially if zardinuk showed up. |
| 15:21.32 | diskotec|w | heh |
| 15:38.27 | macnewbold | that's right... we still need to have that "presentation" |
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| 18:07.13 | mindjuju | sure is quiet |
| 18:09.07 | wps | Zzzzzz… |
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| 18:17.42 | macnewbold | ~pinhead |
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| 18:17.51 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
| 18:18.10 | mindjuju | heya mac |
| 18:20.42 | fungus | ~cookie mac |
| 18:20.44 | macnewbold | morning, mindjuju |
| 18:20.48 | macnewbold | ~brownie |
| 18:20.55 | macnewbold | ~cake |
| 18:20.56 | jbot | somebody said cake was all gone :( |
| 18:20.58 | macnewbold | ~EMACS |
| 18:20.59 | jbot | it has been said that emacs is Editor MACroS. Emacs is the extensible, customizable, self-documenting real-time display editor. |
| 18:24.09 | kryp71k|w | sup macnewbold :D |
| 18:24.27 | mindjuju | sup! |
| 18:24.40 | kryp71k|w | ()_o |
| 18:24.45 | kryp71k|w | sup mindjuju |
| 18:24.46 | kryp71k|w | :D |
| 18:29.26 | macnewbold | ~clue jbot |
| 18:29.26 | jbot | ACTION fans out Vegas-style a stack of clues for jbot "Pick one, any one! ...and don't show it to me." |
| 18:29.34 | macnewbold | ~frenchassault mindjuju |
| 18:29.34 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! mindjuju, I unclog my nose in your direction, sons of a window-dresser! I wave my private parts at your aunties, you heaving lot of second hand electric donkey bottom biters! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a! |
| 18:29.50 | macnewbold | ~lart today for being too crazy |
| 18:34.54 | wps | ~lart headaches |
| 18:35.00 | wps | that was weak |
| 18:35.05 | wps | ~lart headaches |
| 18:35.14 | wps | come on, jbot |
| 18:35.15 | macnewbold | that's a little better, but not much |
| 18:35.16 | wps | do what you do best |
| 18:35.19 | wps | ~lart headaches |
| 18:35.35 | wps | ug… lawyers is why I have a headache |
| 18:35.38 | wps | ~lart headaches |
| 18:35.53 | jsmith | wps: What are you doing dealing with lawyers? |
| 18:36.29 | macnewbold | please tell me your on the offensive end, not the defensive |
| 18:36.59 | macnewbold | (personally, I find either end of a lawyer (or law suit) offensive, but that's another story) |
| 18:37.00 | wps | yes |
| 18:37.13 | wps | defending myself |
| 18:37.24 | macnewbold | civil or otherwise? |
| 18:37.39 | macnewbold | ~IANAL |
| 18:37.39 | jbot | IANAL means \"I am not a lawyer\" |
| 18:37.50 | macnewbold | ~IANALBIPOOTV |
| 18:38.13 | macnewbold | ~IANALBIPOOTV is "I am not a lawyer, but I play one on TV" |
| 18:38.13 | jbot | macnewbold: okay |
| 19:00.56 | macnewbold | jbot, no, IANAL is "I am not a lawyer". See also IANALBIPOOTV. |
| 19:00.56 | jbot | macnewbold: okay |
| 19:03.43 | RyanE | someone who continually plays with IRC bots likely *has* sustained head trauma. |
| 19:12.17 | jsmith | red meat! |
| 19:13.46 | mindjuju | two critical discoveries were made on the same day a long time ago, the discovery of fire, and the discovery of BBQ -- who am I to go against nature or technology? |
| 19:14.52 | fungus | Then don't go against it. Soy provides even more protein than meat. |
| 19:15.12 | fungus | technology has made meat unnecessary. |
| 19:15.21 | mindjuju | yeah but roasted soy != spare ribs |
| 19:15.44 | fungus | Tofu > dead bodies |
| 19:16.07 | mindjuju | Tofu is yummy, tis true, expecially spicy tofu |
| 19:16.43 | jsmith | fungus: Don't get me wrong -- I'm not against soybeans. They taste great, right along side my plate of sushi |
| 19:17.14 | mindjuju | but until the day they make memphis style dry rub spare tofu ribs... |
| 19:18.01 | fungus | Who says it hasn't been done. some veggie burgers are almost indistinguishable from real meat. |
| 19:18.22 | mindjuju | i mean think about the scientific culmanation that is A1 steak sauce?!? |
| 19:18.29 | jsmith | fungus: Yeah, but I haven't seen any garden-porterhouse steaks lately... |
| 19:18.43 | mindjuju | ah, now we're talking, a good porterhouse |
| 19:18.45 | mindjuju | hmmm |
| 19:18.51 | wps | new york |
| 19:18.54 | wps | mmm |
| 19:19.13 | wps | and don't forget pork |
| 19:19.13 | mindjuju | ruby river anybody? |
| 19:19.20 | fungus | spinach salad, mmm |
| 19:19.46 | mindjuju | spinach salad with lemon pepper chicken is better |
| 19:23.09 | jsmith | fungus: I'd go for a spinach salad... |
| 19:23.45 | mindjuju | that reminds me of a joke I heard |
| 19:23.55 | mindjuju | what do you call a vegaterian with stomach flu? |
| 19:24.01 | mindjuju | SALAD SHOOTER! |
| 19:25.27 | fungus | eww, lol |
| 19:25.42 | mindjuju | yeah, i know, another poop joke |
| 19:39.39 | jsmith | wps: You didn't happen to download the openrico code when you looked at it yesterday, did you? Their site is down today :-( |
| 19:42.06 | wps | I didn't. Sorry. Just bookmarked it |
| 19:44.18 | jsmith | :-( |
| 19:44.27 | jsmith | Anybody else happen to have downloaded the code for OpenRico? |
| 19:44.37 | fungus | OpenRico? |
| 19:47.56 | jsmith | fungus: A snazzy little AJAX engine... |
| 19:48.33 | fungus | nice |
| 19:52.56 | wps | interestingly, it has a bunch of DHTML in it too |
| 20:29.12 | mindjuju | wps, did you see the info on the security vulen for Mac OS? |
| 20:29.30 | mindjuju | specifically |
| 20:29.31 | mindjuju | Systems Affected |
| 20:29.31 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.31 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.31 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.31 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.15 | wps | where? |
| 20:32.10 | mindjuju | i have it as a PGP signed email from CERT, trying to see if there is a URL on CERT or I can send to the mailing list |
| 20:32.25 | mindjuju | found it |
| 20:32.26 | mindjuju | http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/techalerts/TA05-229A.html |
| 20:35.51 | dataw0lf | hawt! |
| 20:36.08 | dataw0lf | mrawr |
| 20:37.19 | wps | oh, they released an update a few days ago for that |
| 20:37.45 | mindjuju | yeah, just sending out FYI in case you hadn't patched |
| 20:38.00 | wps | oh, thanks |
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| 22:53.57 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 22:54.13 | wps | over 250,000 Microsoft 2000 users now infected with the latest virus |
| 22:54.17 | wps | why do people put up with that? |
| 22:56.09 | dataw0lf | because of market share? |
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| 22:59.32 | mindjuju | hmm... p diddy dropped the p and now he is just diddy |
| 22:59.46 | dataw0lf | Yeah. |
| 22:59.55 | dataw0lf | makes you wonder how much more ridiculous he can get. |
| 23:00.01 | dataw0lf | to paraphrase from a comment I made about it yesterday. |
| 23:00.04 | dataw0lf | but family safe. |
| 23:04.55 | macnewbold | ~yow |
| 23:12.55 | mindjuju | ~macnewbold |
| 23:12.55 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, macnewbold is in da house! |
| 23:13.09 | mindjuju | ~mindjuju |
| 23:13.10 | jbot | rumour has it, mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open |
| 23:13.49 | mindjuju | ~fungus |
| 23:13.49 | jbot | it has been said that fungus is Kinda smelly, but grows on you, or a ASCII guru |
| 23:14.18 | jsmith | ~jsmith |
| 23:14.19 | jbot | well, jsmith is perpetually hungry, or insane |
| 23:14.48 | jsmith | jbot: No, jsmith is perpetually hungry, or the author of Asterisk: The Future of Telephony |
| 23:14.48 | jbot | okay, jsmith |
| 23:14.51 | jsmith | ~jsmith |
| 23:14.51 | jbot | well, jsmith is perpetually hungry, or the author of Asterisk: The Future of Telephony |
| 23:15.40 | mindjuju | ~scott |
| 23:15.40 | jbot | from memory, scott is phonable at 206.783.5177 or, better yet, on his cell at 206.714.1680. |
| 23:16.38 | mindjuju | ~com4 |
| 23:16.39 | diskotec|w | ~wps |
| 23:16.39 | jbot | rumour has it, wps is Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 23:17.05 | diskotec|w | ~bigdog_ut |
| 23:17.05 | jbot | it has been said that bigdog_ut is Mullet Man, a.k.a. El Perro Loco, or "the gimp", or known as the schwagmeister, or a big meany, or laden, or full of Schmack at times, or the nagios king, or a resident loser, or a mind reader |
| 23:17.39 | mindjuju | ~cycokilr |
| 23:18.21 | diskotec|w | ~tierra |
| 23:18.21 | jbot | tierra is, like, dirt |
| 23:18.39 | mindjuju | ~synic |
| 23:18.53 | mindjuju | ~optikal |
| 23:21.19 | diskotec|w | mindjuju: I'm in a small office with 3 women and none of them have seen Princess Bride. I'm the youngest one in here and I'm 33. I'm baffled. =| hehe |
| 23:21.48 | dataw0lf | diskotec|w: WHAT? |
| 23:22.05 | dataw0lf | you need to call an emergency meeting to watch The Princess Bride. Immediately. |
| 23:22.13 | mindjuju | true dat |
| 23:22.18 | diskotec|w | heh...something needs to happen |
| 23:22.32 | dataw0lf | a revolution! |
| 23:22.35 | jsmith | diskotec|w: Inconceivable! |
| 23:22.40 | diskotec|w | heh |
| 23:22.56 | dataw0lf | you spelt it correct, sir. |
| 23:23.19 | diskotec|w | it looked right |
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