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| 01:01.56 | bigdog_ut | evenin all |
| 01:02.07 | mindjuju_ | yo |
| 01:02.27 | diskotec|w | Hi |
| 01:02.37 | bigdog_ut | hows it going gents |
| 01:03.27 | mindjuju_ | not to bad here, sorry to hear you got written up for IRC |
| 01:03.43 | bigdog_ut | oh no problem...give it a few months and i will be back |
| 01:03.50 | bigdog_ut | i just need to let things settle down |
| 01:03.59 | bigdog_ut | or i might just change jobs |
| 01:04.03 | Utah_Dav1 | bigdog, I thought your mad linux skills were getting you around that |
| 01:04.46 | bigdog_ut | i did |
| 01:04.55 | bigdog_ut | but they notice i keep connections open for a while |
| 01:05.02 | bigdog_ut | logger than http connections |
| 01:05.23 | diskotec|w | Bigdog: you said you would help me out with my setup....I have a box now that I'm going to have linux on and you told me that XDMCP was going to be part of it. What do I need to have installed on my windows box? |
| 01:05.49 | bigdog_ut | you want windows to connect ot linux right? |
| 01:06.08 | diskotec|w | yeah....linux isn't running just yet...I'm hoping I'll have that up in the morning |
| 01:06.15 | diskotec|w | just wanted to get my windows box ready |
| 01:06.34 | bigdog_ut | windows just needs cygwin-x installed really |
| 01:06.43 | bigdog_ut | cause you want remote desktop |
| 01:06.44 | bigdog_ut | right? |
| 01:06.50 | bigdog_ut | trying to remember it all |
| 01:06.58 | diskotec|w | yes....so I don't have to use any sort of switch box |
| 01:07.05 | bigdog_ut | no problem |
| 01:07.15 | bigdog_ut | just need to make sure each has a network connection is all |
| 01:07.27 | diskotec|w | ok |
| 01:07.32 | bigdog_ut | whatz up with the new nic? |
| 01:07.53 | diskotec|w | decided to use my old irc nic from years ago |
| 01:08.00 | bigdog_ut | cool |
| 01:08.32 | bigdog_ut | depending on you linux distro and your desktop you can turn on xdmcp |
| 01:09.00 | bigdog_ut | then you have cygwin connect to your box and run the xserver on your windows machine |
| 01:09.01 | diskotec|w | cygwin-x.... http://x.cygwin.com/ ????? |
| 01:09.03 | bigdog_ut | really nice |
| 01:09.06 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 01:09.16 | bigdog_ut | do you want to see what it looks like? |
| 01:09.35 | diskotec|w | yeah...I was just barely looking over this page I just posted |
| 01:10.50 | bigdog_ut | page you posted? |
| 01:11.22 | bigdog_ut | the only sucky thing about my whole work situation was that i was made to switch back to windows |
| 01:11.27 | bigdog_ut | but cygwin is there for me |
| 01:11.58 | diskotec|w | oh man. |
| 01:12.23 | diskotec|w | they took your linux box away or they gave you a windows cd and said "Install" |
| 01:12.49 | bigdog_ut | cd and installl |
| 01:13.02 | bigdog_ut | so i told them okay...i did not back up anything |
| 01:13.02 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 01:13.11 | diskotec|w | heh |
| 01:13.14 | bigdog_ut | so i told them i could not back up and that it is all gone |
| 01:13.51 | diskotec|w | nice |
| 01:13.53 | diskotec|w | heh |
| 01:14.01 | bigdog_ut | so we will see what happens |
| 01:14.47 | bigdog_ut | diskotec|w, you can also use xephr instead of xnest...however, i use xnest religiously |
| 01:14.55 | bigdog_ut | but that is another option too |
| 01:15.08 | bigdog_ut | however, you would have to have xephr compiled under cygwin |
| 01:16.22 | diskotec|w | xephr doesn't sound like an option then unless I have someone with me every step of the way |
| 01:16.56 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 01:17.50 | bigdog_ut | xnest -> http://lunar-linux.org/?q=node/view/113 |
| 01:18.06 | bigdog_ut | he has 3 screens nested |
| 01:19.36 | diskotec|w | man...that kinda looks slick |
| 01:20.42 | bigdog_ut | its nice |
| 01:21.00 | mindjuju_ | ...well... first report on vista install... not to bad, a couple of questions and your on your way... takes about 25 minutes on a P4. |
| 01:21.34 | mindjuju_ | web pages coming up frickin' slow - yahoo.com took just under a minute with windows update page a no show after about 5 minutes |
| 01:22.51 | diskotec|w | you said IT gave you an old box.... your companies "old boxes" are P4's? |
| 01:23.13 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 01:23.19 | bigdog_ut | i wish i had a p4 |
| 01:23.19 | mindjuju_ | :) |
| 01:23.25 | diskotec|w | man...IT gave me an old box and its a P2 333 |
| 01:23.34 | mindjuju_ | hmm... |
| 01:23.44 | mindjuju_ | you prolly don't want to know what i normally work on |
| 01:23.53 | bigdog_ut | what do you? |
| 01:24.19 | mindjuju_ | p3 3g, 2g ram 250g hdd, vid cap card, |
| 01:24.24 | mindjuju_ | the works |
| 01:24.36 | mindjuju_ | sorry, not p3, p4 |
| 01:24.37 | bigdog_ut | wow |
| 01:24.50 | diskotec|w | daaaaaaannnnggg |
| 01:24.51 | bigdog_ut | i have a p4, 1gram, 80g hd |
| 01:25.03 | bigdog_ut | that is my desktop though...my servers are really nice |
| 01:25.45 | mindjuju_ | how beefy are the servers? |
| 01:26.08 | bigdog_ut | let me show you |
| 01:26.37 | bigdog_ut | these are my babieshttp://www.sun.com/servers/entry/v240/ |
| 01:26.43 | bigdog_ut | these are my babies http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/v240/ |
| 01:26.47 | diskotec|w | awww ... heck no |
| 01:27.13 | Utah_Dav1 | get out of here! |
| 01:27.13 | bigdog_ut | and i got on these -> http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/v440/index.xml |
| 01:27.28 | bigdog_ut | the 440 is a couple years old though |
| 01:27.38 | mindjuju_ | Beefy! |
| 01:27.54 | mindjuju_ | still though 32 g of ram? |
| 01:28.02 | mindjuju_ | i've only got 2 on my server |
| 01:28.03 | bigdog_ut | this is what i deploy too though -> http://www.sun.com/servers/highend/sunfire_e25k/index.xml |
| 01:28.06 | mindjuju_ | your is way cool |
| 01:28.26 | diskotec|w | I haven't heard much about SGI machines lately...they still being used much? |
| 01:28.31 | bigdog_ut | that last one is not mine though...that is the airforces |
| 01:28.39 | bigdog_ut | oh yes |
| 01:28.52 | bigdog_ut | sgi are really big in high end computing with images |
| 01:29.26 | bigdog_ut | if i had it my way though i have those servers as my desktop |
| 01:29.34 | bigdog_ut | sun hardware is the best |
| 01:29.38 | mindjuju_ | a couple jobs back, the ceo had a flat panel from sgi when I think just they offered |
| 01:29.57 | mindjuju_ | he had a vid card that was hard to find and i think we paid 6 to replace it when it did go out |
| 01:30.16 | bigdog_ut | diskotec|w -> http://thebigdog.biz/desktop.jpg |
| 01:31.00 | diskotec|w | oh man...that looks cool too |
| 01:32.07 | bigdog_ut | http://thebigdog.biz/login.jpg |
| 01:33.11 | diskotec|w | heres the thing....cygwin won't mess anything up with my desktop environment will it? I don't want it to screw with my database application settings either. I'm just not at a point right now where I don't want to reinstall if things go bad. How much does it dig into windows as far as registry changes and all? |
| 01:33.29 | diskotec|w | I've had cygwin downloaded for the longest time now but was too chicken to install |
| 01:34.05 | bigdog_ut | it wont do stuff like that |
| 01:34.12 | bigdog_ut | it is just a small app that runs |
| 01:34.17 | diskotec|w | ok |
| 01:35.09 | diskotec|w | oh one other question I had was do I go through and choose not to install php/apache/mysql if I already have them installed? |
| 01:35.33 | bigdog_ut | with cygwin? |
| 01:35.38 | diskotec|w | I can't remember if they are to be installed by default |
| 01:35.43 | diskotec|w | yeah |
| 01:35.55 | bigdog_ut | no they are not install and you dont need to install them |
| 01:36.08 | diskotec|w | cool |
| 01:37.10 | diskotec|w | bigdog: what OS are you on now? |
| 01:37.31 | bigdog_ut | you just need to make sure that when you install cygwin you select xnest |
| 01:37.42 | bigdog_ut | diskotec|w, gentoo linux |
| 01:38.04 | diskotec|w | ok... I'll look for xnest. |
| 01:38.36 | bigdog_ut | Xnest is really how it will appear |
| 01:38.50 | bigdog_ut | wheres my bro dataw0lf hidden at? |
| 01:39.11 | diskotec|w | tomorrow I'm going to bring in my own 40 gig hard drive to install linux and will spend however long it takes to make it work on our network. |
| 01:39.26 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 01:39.28 | diskotec|w | internet connectivity anyway |
| 01:39.39 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 01:39.50 | diskotec|w | the box they gave me has a 3 gig hard drive |
| 01:40.18 | mindjuju_ | 3g? what are they-- sadists? |
| 01:40.27 | diskotec|w | well...these are old machines |
| 01:40.48 | bigdog_ut | i have old 2g hds laying around |
| 01:41.08 | diskotec|w | it might be a 233.... can't remember what he said |
| 01:41.12 | mindjuju_ | yeah, i have a 4g i run around with on a usb converter |
| 01:41.23 | diskotec|w | so needless to say I won't be compiling anything to big on it |
| 01:41.24 | diskotec|w | heh |
| 01:41.51 | diskotec|w | hehe... well this hospital doesn't have much money |
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| 01:42.18 | diskotec|w | or at least that was administration keeps saying |
| 01:42.36 | bigdog_ut | no one has money |
| 01:42.49 | mindjuju_ | tell 'em instead of upgrading defibrulators, they need to get you a computer upgrade |
| 01:42.55 | mindjuju_ | you first, then defribulators |
| 01:43.04 | mindjuju_ | :) |
| 01:43.08 | diskotec|w | hehe |
| 01:45.12 | diskotec|w | our ceo went and acquired a grant to build on a 3 story wing to the hospital which is under construction now but they can't seem to find the money to give me a decent second workstation |
| 01:47.00 | diskotec|w | mindjuju: if your company decides to throw out any of your OLD P4's....let me know |
| 01:47.41 | mindjuju_ | will do |
| 01:48.07 | mindjuju_ | i know they were thinking of sellng some boxes for cheap to clear out some space, but these boxes are old and cruites |
| 01:48.17 | mindjuju_ | s/cruties/crusties |
| 01:48.50 | mindjuju_ | p3 something with some hard drive, monitor and keyboard / mouse i think target price was somewhere between 100 - 200 |
| 01:48.51 | diskotec|w | probably p3's |
| 01:48.53 | diskotec|w | heh |
| 01:49.02 | diskotec|w | heh...better than my p2 |
| 01:49.11 | mindjuju_ | then we got loaded down with projects -- not sure where that project went |
| 01:49.20 | mindjuju_ | probably backburner until we get some stuff donw |
| 01:49.31 | diskotec|w | yeah |
| 01:49.46 | mindjuju_ | but i will keep you posted if they come up |
| 01:50.21 | diskotec|w | well if they are in a hurry or just don't want to take the time to deal with the equipment, i used to work for a company that took companies old equipment and made a temporary web site to accept bids |
| 01:50.35 | diskotec|w | or sales |
| 01:50.48 | diskotec|w | but they would want a commission |
| 01:51.12 | mindjuju_ | well, i'd think there is enough employees here that they'd get bought -- but i'd hook ya up if they actually do it |
| 01:51.23 | diskotec|w | cool |
| 01:51.48 | diskotec|w | thx |
| 01:52.10 | mindjuju_ | fo sho, though you shouldn't feel obliged to buy |
| 01:52.19 | mindjuju_ | heck, i'll ask IT manager where that project went tomorrow |
| 01:52.24 | diskotec|w | yeah.... right now I couldn't buy |
| 01:52.32 | diskotec|w | but after I got my student loan I could |
| 01:52.38 | diskotec|w | :) |
| 01:52.47 | diskotec|w | bigdog? you still here? |
| 01:52.52 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 01:52.55 | diskotec|w | http://geeksyndicate.net/gallery/dc13 |
| 01:52.58 | bigdog_ut | diskotec|w, get a laptop with linux |
| 01:53.01 | diskotec|w | look at dataw0lf |
| 01:53.07 | diskotec|w | armwrestling |
| 01:53.15 | bigdog_ut | he is probably drunk and faded |
| 01:53.27 | mindjuju_ | he says he won |
| 01:53.37 | diskotec|w | yeah....that chick is huge |
| 01:53.57 | mindjuju_ | i know, she looks like she could pack a world of hurt if she took a swing at ya |
| 01:54.03 | diskotec|w | hehe |
| 01:55.06 | bigdog_ut | is that even a chick...looks like a dude |
| 01:55.17 | diskotec|w | bigdog: can't afford a laptop now unless it's the same price as a used p3 desktop |
| 01:55.21 | diskotec|w | hehe |
| 01:55.28 | diskotec|w | yeah...I wasn't sure either |
| 02:04.21 | mindjuju_ | gentlemen, i've found what i've been looking for, and i'm broke and it is a tragedy |
| 02:04.26 | mindjuju_ | http://www.geeks.com/products.asp?cat=24 |
| 02:04.39 | mindjuju_ | oh wait, this takes you right to the screen |
| 02:04.40 | mindjuju_ | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=4A3000J0-R&cat=423 |
| 02:05.00 | mindjuju_ | computer geeks is an online chop shop that sometimes has really good prices |
| 02:05.47 | mindjuju_ | can you imagine 300 lovely Gs of mp3? |
| 02:05.59 | mindjuju_ | i'm gettting delirious just thinking about it |
| 02:06.01 | diskotec|w | heh... I don't like that much music |
| 02:06.21 | mindjuju_ | well, you could put other things on there |
| 02:06.21 | diskotec|w | all my mp3's take up maybe 14 gig |
| 02:06.42 | mindjuju_ | i'm going to rip all my DVDs and store them. call my movies from a SAN |
| 02:06.49 | diskotec|w | yeah... now movies... I could fill it up with movies |
| 02:07.00 | mindjuju_ | 3 of those babies, and you've practicly got a terabyte |
| 02:07.25 | diskotec|w | 5400rpm though .... wouldn't it be slow? |
| 02:07.31 | mindjuju_ | yeah, just noticed |
| 02:07.32 | mindjuju_ | bummer |
| 02:08.17 | mindjuju_ | haven't had a seagate in a while but they have a seagate 250g for 99 |
| 02:08.22 | diskotec|w | as long as the movie didn't stop....it'd still be cool |
| 02:08.46 | mindjuju_ | and its spinnin' at 7200 |
| 02:08.54 | mindjuju_ | nice ... 8mb buffer |
| 02:09.12 | diskotec|w | yeah... I have a maxtor 200gig 8mb buffer |
| 02:09.37 | mindjuju_ | you got me there. my personal home computer only has 120g and it's at 117g capacity |
| 02:09.59 | mindjuju_ | now if i was really bold, i'd buy this |
| 02:10.00 | mindjuju_ | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=4R120L0&cat=423 |
| 02:10.16 | mindjuju_ | considering mod-ing my xbox |
| 02:10.17 | diskotec|w | well... I have like 130 gig free |
| 02:10.18 | diskotec|w | heh |
| 02:10.22 | diskotec|w | lotta space left |
| 02:10.40 | mindjuju_ | you got an xbox? |
| 02:11.16 | diskotec|w | no...was talking about my 200 gig hard drive. I never got into xbox or any of those console game boxes.... I was too much into pc games |
| 02:11.31 | diskotec|w | :) |
| 02:11.46 | diskotec|w | now, I don't play hardly at all. |
| 02:11.58 | mindjuju_ | yeah, used to love pc games until i couldn't run them anymore decided i'd get an xbox which at least allows me to play games until the next xbox comes out |
| 02:12.04 | mindjuju_ | yeah, i only get to play on weekend |
| 02:12.20 | mindjuju_ | but since your working / college guy i bet it is even less |
| 02:12.48 | diskotec|w | boy I was real addicted to pc games....don't know if I want to do that again |
| 02:13.09 | mindjuju_ | which games? |
| 02:13.19 | mindjuju_ | my fav was red alert and half life |
| 02:13.29 | mindjuju_ | never played hl2 - don't have guns big enough at home |
| 02:13.54 | mindjuju_ | at home all i have is dual p3 with 512mb :( |
| 02:14.06 | diskotec|w | well... I got stuck on Quake 2...expert capture the flag mod but thats been 3-4 years ago |
| 02:14.08 | mindjuju_ | even Far Cry won't load |
| 02:14.37 | diskotec|w | ew... I was going to try that game....glad I didn't buy it cause my machine is about the same |
| 02:15.11 | mindjuju_ | yeah, it wants a beef vid card - i've got dual head vid card, not willing to go get beefy dual head - too costly |
| 02:15.14 | bigdog_ut | back...need some ice cream |
| 02:15.34 | diskotec|w | mmm... ice cream |
| 02:15.59 | mindjuju_ | what kind of ice cream? |
| 02:16.06 | diskotec|w | my brother gave me his video card and now I'm able to play desert combat |
| 02:16.11 | bigdog_ut | DQ blizzard |
| 02:16.45 | mindjuju_ | yum |
| 02:16.49 | mindjuju_ | i'm jealous |
| 02:16.52 | mindjuju_ | all i got was nachos |
| 02:16.54 | bigdog_ut | reeses peanut butter cup |
| 02:17.28 | diskotec|w | I play single player which I only play from time to time.....if I were to have a dsl/cable line then I think I'd get addicted |
| 02:18.17 | mindjuju_ | never heard of desert combat |
| 02:18.30 | diskotec|w | battlefield 1942 mod |
| 02:18.37 | mindjuju_ | ah |
| 02:19.14 | mindjuju_ | have a friend that plays battlefield all the time |
| 02:19.22 | mindjuju_ | he was showing me you can jump into tanks and planes |
| 02:19.25 | mindjuju_ | everythign |
| 02:19.28 | diskotec|w | yeah |
| 02:19.48 | diskotec|w | battle ships are awesome.... well their fire power is |
| 02:20.40 | diskotec|w | in desert combat you have bradley's, m1's, f-16's, blackhawks, apaches etc |
| 02:20.49 | mindjuju_ | nice! |
| 02:20.56 | diskotec|w | m1's are really nice |
| 02:21.28 | diskotec|w | it took me the longest time to figure out how to fly one of those helicopters without a joystick |
| 02:21.43 | diskotec|w | you ever play any simulator games? |
| 02:22.02 | diskotec|w | flight simulators? |
| 02:22.16 | mindjuju_ | love flight sim games - but only war ones |
| 02:22.25 | diskotec|w | yeah me too |
| 02:22.30 | mindjuju_ | not a big fan of straight up flight sim but loved comanche series |
| 02:23.05 | mindjuju_ | it's too bad they pulled the plug on the comanche for real... that helicopter really rocks, at least in the game it did |
| 02:26.53 | diskotec|w | the options for cygwin.... is the sleepy cat berkeley db something comparable to mysql or postgresql? |
| 02:29.38 | diskotec|w | bigdog must be at DQ |
| 02:29.57 | eco|w | bigdog_ut: Got the wxWidget's book today. |
| 02:31.08 | diskotec|w | eco: does it look any good? how much does it normally cost? |
| 02:48.56 | bigdog_ut | eco|w, that is cool |
| 02:48.59 | bigdog_ut | good to hear |
| 02:49.33 | bigdog_ut | diskotec|w, berkeley db is a key/value pair type file db |
| 02:49.35 | eco|w | diskotec|w: Looks pretty complete from the little I've glanced over it but I haven't perused it yet. |
| 02:50.56 | diskotec|w | bigdog: ok |
| 02:51.09 | diskotec|w | eco: cool...I'd like to know if you think it would be a good purchase after you can dig into it a bit more....or I guess I can wait for your review. :) |
| 02:55.12 | diskotec|w | bigdog: I'm not finding xnest anywhere for this cygwin install. |
| 02:55.47 | diskotec|w | oh wait... is it "xorg-x11-nest: Cygwin/x nested X server" ?????? |
| 02:57.01 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 02:57.33 | bigdog_ut | had to run out...weather is getting killer outside...we have a tornado warning now |
| 02:57.41 | diskotec|w | oh man |
| 02:57.53 | bigdog_ut | and my kid lost my ipaq |
| 02:58.09 | diskotec|w | ouch |
| 02:58.21 | bigdog_ut | i can see why some one would give up there 4yr old |
| 02:58.22 | mindjuju_ | what! tornado warning here? |
| 02:58.28 | bigdog_ut | yeha |
| 02:58.57 | mindjuju_ | well, that's what i get for living in the bat cave. |
| 02:58.57 | diskotec|w | hehe... I have a 10 month old.... not looking forward to a 2 year old |
| 02:59.15 | mindjuju_ | i have windows in my office, but they are all blackened so no sunlight |
| 02:59.49 | bigdog_ut | i m in the basement...but outside it is pouring down |
| 03:00.56 | diskotec|w | bigdog: last question (for now).... is it easy to uninstall if it does mess something up? (thought I'd ask before I continued with the install) |
| 03:02.33 | diskotec|w | mindjuju: how fast does that vista machine get to microsoft.com? |
| 03:03.35 | mindjuju_ | let me check if it ever made it |
| 03:03.40 | diskotec|w | haha |
| 03:04.31 | mindjuju_ | actually, never made it, i just closed the browser and am trying again |
| 03:04.39 | mindjuju_ | this OS is wayyyyyyy beta |
| 03:04.56 | bigdog_ut | yeah just delete it all |
| 03:05.14 | diskotec|w | bigdog: does it get spread around at all? dll files? |
| 03:05.22 | bigdog_ut | i dont think there is an unstall script cause it just installs the files and does not do anything with the registry |
| 03:05.34 | bigdog_ut | no they are all put in one directory |
| 03:05.41 | bigdog_ut | and subdirs of that main one |
| 03:05.41 | diskotec|w | that is awesome |
| 03:05.48 | diskotec|w | guess I was scared for nothing |
| 03:06.02 | bigdog_ut | it is really easy to use and remove |
| 03:06.52 | diskotec|w | cool....I was thinking it messed with the registry and put 238942345324 dll files into the c:\windows directories. |
| 03:07.28 | bigdog_ut | nope |
| 03:07.32 | mindjuju_ | it's really weird, some web pages come up after a while -- others freeze when loading |
| 03:07.34 | bigdog_ut | just a bunch of exe files |
| 03:07.37 | bigdog_ut | in the main dir |
| 03:07.43 | mindjuju_ | that's what happened with the windows update site |
| 03:07.43 | diskotec|w | ok |
| 03:07.47 | bigdog_ut | what browser mindjuju_ |
| 03:08.05 | mindjuju_ | i'm testing the new Windows OS - Vista |
| 03:08.11 | mindjuju_ | with IE 7.0 beta |
| 03:08.25 | bigdog_ut | oh that is just sick and wrong |
| 03:08.46 | diskotec|w | hehe |
| 03:08.47 | mindjuju_ | well, it is way beta |
| 03:08.52 | diskotec|w | sounds like it |
| 03:08.56 | bigdog_ut | whatz i hate about m$ is the fact that they continue ot move forward with the os and dont try and fix the one they have |
| 03:09.12 | bigdog_ut | like 2000 is great...they should continue to improve it |
| 03:09.45 | mindjuju_ | been waiting on the windows update site again - 5 minutes and still no show |
| 03:09.55 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 03:09.59 | mindjuju_ | but yahoo comes up so i know i have connectivity, though yahoo takes like a minute to show |
| 03:10.03 | bigdog_ut | see another reason to use linux |
| 03:13.18 | diskotec|w | bigdog...is it easy to go back and get other packages after you've done an install? |
| 03:13.43 | bigdog_ut | yep...just runt the setup.exe app again |
| 03:13.54 | bigdog_ut | you can use that to upgrade too |
| 03:16.08 | bigdog_ut | man i love curl |
| 03:20.25 | mindjuju_ | k, i sux can't figure this out |
| 03:20.41 | mindjuju_ | what up with GPG wanting me to sha to verify when there isn't a sha exe? |
| 03:21.42 | bigdog_ut | what? |
| 03:21.55 | mindjuju_ | trying to install gpg command line |
| 03:22.04 | mindjuju_ | i'm suppose to verify i didn't get a bad copy of gpg |
| 03:22.15 | diskotec|w | mindjuju: did you hax0r that guy's ftp site that was uploading data? how did you catch him anyway? |
| 03:22.17 | mindjuju_ | by either verifying with an old copy of gpg which i don't have or by running a command |
| 03:22.33 | mindjuju_ | sha1sum gnupg-x.y.z.tar.gz |
| 03:23.02 | mindjuju_ | jedi mind trick - got him to confess after he started to open his mouth |
| 03:23.04 | bigdog_ut | do you have that command: sha1sum? |
| 03:23.13 | mindjuju_ | nope, not in the install directory |
| 03:23.27 | bigdog_ut | are you one linux or windows? |
| 03:23.36 | mindjuju_ | win 2k3 |
| 03:24.10 | bigdog_ut | then you need the windows binary of sha1sum |
| 03:24.17 | bigdog_ut | or md5sum |
| 03:25.03 | bigdog_ut | mindjuju_ -> ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/binary/sha1sum.exe |
| 03:25.52 | bigdog_ut | mindjuju_ -> http://www.cryptosys.net/src/digsum.zip |
| 03:26.06 | bigdog_ut | last one has sha1sum, md5sum and crc-32 checksum |
| 03:26.38 | mindjuju_ | thnx, i was getting ready to do something drastic |
| 03:26.54 | bigdog_ut | mindjuju_, let me know when you get your keys generated and you can test them out with mine |
| 03:27.22 | mindjuju_ | ... like go around and flip off all the custodians or jump up and down outside... i was getting really peeved |
| 03:27.48 | mindjuju_ | got here at 7a, maybe i need a break? |
| 03:29.17 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 03:29.21 | bigdog_ut | just a little one |
| 03:32.16 | mindjuju_ | ugh! i sux! i get it. i was thinking that gpg provided sha1sum, they assumed i had it on my hard drive |
| 03:32.20 | mindjuju_ | it all becomes so clear now |
| 03:32.43 | mindjuju_ | and if i have it wrong, please nobody tell me |
| 03:32.47 | mindjuju_ | cause it seems clear now |
| 03:32.52 | bigdog_ut | yeah cause you are validating the file...dont you remember dataw0lf presentation |
| 03:32.55 | diskotec|w | wrong wrong wrong |
| 03:32.58 | diskotec|w | heh |
| 03:33.00 | diskotec|w | jk |
| 03:34.05 | mindjuju_ | don't remember that part, but there is a lot that i'm goign to have to go back and look over |
| 03:34.29 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 03:34.44 | bigdog_ut | make sure that you checksum all files that you down load from the internet |
| 03:36.08 | diskotec|w | going home....goodnight. |
| 03:36.26 | mindjuju_ | g'nite |
| 03:39.15 | bigdog_ut | night |
| 03:40.12 | mindjuju_ | holy frickin' cow!!!!! k, i did it right, my copy of gpg isn't set to frag me... i'm ok.... deep breaths |
| 03:40.27 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 03:51.28 | mindjuju_ | k, so bigdog, imagine that i've never imported a signature key, but i know where it is for gpg http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/signature_key.html |
| 03:51.33 | mindjuju_ | http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/signature_key.html |
| 03:51.43 | mindjuju_ | do i just copy that string and save it as a file? |
| 03:51.50 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 03:58.22 | mindjuju_ | k, MS Vista is so jacked up even www.microsoft.com doesn't come up |
| 04:05.54 | mindjuju_ | k, see you gents tomorrow |
| 04:06.07 | bigdog_ut | laterz |
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| 15:45.06 | beandog | macnewbold: you around |
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| 15:55.56 | mindjuju_ | ~bdhit macnewbold |
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| 16:06.07 | macnewbold | beandog: yeah, I'm here |
| 16:06.11 | macnewbold | ~dwhit mindjuju_ |
| 16:06.12 | jbot | ACTION slaps the diviner's tin avalanche on mindjuju_ |
| 16:06.17 | beandog | nm, I coded a workaround |
| 16:06.23 | beandog | macnewbold: do you still have access to a mssql db |
| 16:06.32 | macnewbold | yeah, unfortunately |
| 16:06.37 | beandog | can you test something for me |
| 16:06.38 | macnewbold | thanks for your dba thing |
| 16:06.41 | macnewbold | we've been using it lately |
| 16:06.43 | macnewbold | sure |
| 16:06.45 | macnewbold | sup? |
| 16:06.50 | beandog | oh, did you still need that class? |
| 16:06.52 | beandog | I forgot about that |
| 16:07.20 | beandog | Can you pull a query on any column, and select a column as a string length longer than 30 chars and see if it truncates it to 30? |
| 16:07.42 | beandog | select col as 123456789012345678901234567890123 |
| 16:07.52 | beandog | dump it in an arr, and print_r |
| 16:07.53 | macnewbold | sure |
| 16:07.55 | beandog | Thanks |
| 16:08.10 | macnewbold | so we're seeing if the alias name gets trunc'd to 30 chars? |
| 16:08.14 | beandog | right |
| 16:08.26 | beandog | I have two boxes that are doing it, and one isn't. |
| 16:08.30 | beandog | And for the life of me, I cant figure out why. |
| 16:08.37 | macnewbold | weird |
| 16:08.48 | beandog | Anytime you add mssql in the mix, weird is bound to pop up. |
| 16:09.29 | macnewbold | totally |
| 16:09.46 | macnewbold | not to mention the fact that many people designing mssql db's don't have a clue about good db design |
| 16:09.52 | macnewbold | heck, they can't even choose a good db |
| 16:09.56 | macnewbold | or a good OS for their db server |
| 16:10.07 | beandog | OH man |
| 16:10.11 | beandog | So I guess its NOT just me |
| 16:11.40 | mindjuju_ | dataw0lf - you around |
| 16:13.23 | macnewbold | beandog: SELECT TOP 30 description abcde12345123456789012345678901234567890abcdefghij1234567890,* FROM ACCOUNT |
| 16:13.35 | macnewbold | gives back a col named abcde12345123456789012345678901234567890abcdefghij1234567890 |
| 16:13.38 | macnewbold | on the box I'm using |
| 16:13.59 | macnewbold | (Windows 2k3 Server, IIRC, mssql 2k3 perhaps?) |
| 16:14.34 | beandog | could be 2k3 |
| 16:14.49 | beandog | Are you using php4 or 5 |
| 16:15.06 | macnewbold | yes |
| 16:15.16 | beandog | which one :) |
| 16:15.20 | macnewbold | :-D j/k - php4, using your dba thing |
| 16:15.36 | beandog | cool, hows that working |
| 16:15.50 | macnewbold | sorry, I know that boolean joke gets old, but it's still the first thing I think of |
| 16:15.51 | mindjuju_ | does anybody know if it is true that if you setup an ssh channel for FTP only the control channel is encrypted and not the data channel? |
| 16:15.54 | macnewbold | it's working pretty well |
| 16:16.13 | beandog | It was a quick hack |
| 16:16.13 | macnewbold | I had to make one change to it, since my server has magic_quotes (magic slashes, really) turned on |
| 16:16.16 | beandog | Did you get the export to CSV working |
| 16:16.29 | macnewbold | you had a thing in there to try and disable that, but it can't be done at run time |
| 16:16.46 | macnewbold | so instead, you have to check whether its on or not, and compensate |
| 16:17.01 | beandog | Well, I would work on it more, but heaven knows that the last thing I want to do is encourage use of mssql. :) |
| 16:17.10 | beandog | oh, okay |
| 16:17.20 | macnewbold | (i.e. if magic_quotes is off, and you wanted on, use addslashes, or if it's on, and you wanted off, use stripslashes, like I did in this case) |
| 16:17.24 | macnewbold | oh yeah, I agree |
| 16:17.46 | macnewbold | haven't tried the csv export |
| 16:18.22 | macnewbold | mindjuju_: there are two ports that matter, and if you tunnel them both, you should be able to get them both encrypted |
| 16:18.36 | beandog | macnewbold: im not sure it even works correctly. |
| 16:18.45 | mindjuju_ | so ssh port 20 and 21 should encrypt both? |
| 16:18.47 | beandog | I rewrote it, kind of, to have JUST an sql window |
| 16:18.53 | beandog | and CSV or TXT export |
| 16:19.03 | beandog | So, I actually havent used the DBA thing in a good while. |
| 16:19.07 | RyanE | the problem with tunneling the data connection is that it is created by the server, and it's NOT on a low port. It opens up a higher port number for the data connection. |
| 16:19.12 | beandog | except when I want to browse table structure, then its really good for that. |
| 16:19.46 | macnewbold | From /etc/services: |
| 16:19.47 | macnewbold | ftp-data 20/tcp #File Transfer [Default Data] |
| 16:19.47 | macnewbold | ftp 21/tcp #File Transfer [Control] |
| 16:19.47 | macnewbold | sftp 115/tcp #Simple File Transfer Protocol |
| 16:19.47 | macnewbold | ftps-data 989/tcp # ftp protocol, data, over TLS/SSL |
| 16:19.47 | macnewbold | ftps 990/tcp # ftp protocol, control, over TLS/SSL |
| 16:20.22 | macnewbold | RyanE: how does passive mode affect that? |
| 16:20.43 | macnewbold | i.e. I think passive mode makes the server sit there, while the client establishes the data cnxn |
| 16:20.46 | RyanE | cool. I thought the ftp-data was opened on a higher port... I don't know the difference. I just know that most firewalls require a plugin to support ftp, because of the way it works. |
| 16:20.48 | macnewbold | which would allow tunneling |
| 16:21.00 | RyanE | yeah, assuming you know it'll use that data port #. |
| 16:21.01 | macnewbold | right, which is why they have passive mode, I think |
| 16:21.11 | macnewbold | 20 is the data port |
| 16:21.31 | macnewbold | where it listens, anyway, it moves to a high port when it accepts the connection |
| 16:21.34 | macnewbold | iirc |
| 16:21.35 | mindjuju_ | so ssh both 20 and 21 and i should be fairly secure? |
| 16:21.42 | macnewbold | nevermind |
| 16:21.44 | macnewbold | that's wrong |
| 16:21.53 | macnewbold | mindjuju_: easiest way is to use sftp :) |
| 16:22.02 | macnewbold | you could try it though |
| 16:22.06 | macnewbold | and tcpdump your traffic |
| 16:22.16 | macnewbold | to see whether or not your stuff is properly encrypted |
| 16:22.31 | mindjuju_ | so when you say sftp your now saying ssh file transfer? |
| 16:22.44 | macnewbold | another more sure solution would be to vpn it and then use ftp through the encrypted vpn |
| 16:22.55 | macnewbold | sftp and scp are secure ways to send files |
| 16:23.08 | macnewbold | sftp is based on the ftp protocol, but happens over an ssh-like connectoin |
| 16:23.13 | macnewbold | that's encrypted and secure |
| 16:23.22 | macnewbold | and sftp can use all the same authentication methods that ssh can |
| 16:23.22 | mindjuju_ | k, here is the deal. imagine the biggest goofest person you know and take that to the Nth degree |
| 16:23.29 | macnewbold | and that's you, mindjuju_? |
| 16:23.31 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 16:23.32 | macnewbold | ;) |
| 16:23.34 | mindjuju_ | and 1 to that and that is the level of client we have |
| 16:23.34 | macnewbold | j/k |
| 16:23.36 | mindjuju_ | grrrrr |
| 16:23.43 | macnewbold | ~dwhit mindjuju_ |
| 16:23.43 | jbot | ACTION launches the Knee of the Crippled Roosters and smiles at mindjuju_'s pain |
| 16:23.52 | macnewbold | okay, so the guy is dumb |
| 16:23.53 | mindjuju_ | k, that guy needs to be able to send files to my server securely |
| 16:24.16 | macnewbold | for a really dumb user, about the best thing I can think of |
| 16:24.23 | macnewbold | is a https upload over SSL |
| 16:24.24 | macnewbold | :) |
| 16:24.30 | RyanE | I was going to suggest that as well. |
| 16:24.38 | RyanE | force https://, provide an upload page. |
| 16:24.54 | macnewbold | there's a thing called drall that does that kind of thing, and I bet there's others like it |
| 16:25.10 | mindjuju_ | i'll look for it |
| 16:25.33 | mindjuju_ | ~bdhit macnewbold |
| 16:25.33 | jbot | ACTION gives macnewbold the Priest Flip of the Blessed Foulness |
| 16:27.09 | macnewbold | or just make a simple form for upoloading |
| 16:27.26 | macnewbold | if you're going to do giant files (several MB) then you may have to tweak your php.ini |
| 16:27.40 | macnewbold | default file size limit is 2mb ,default post total limit is 8mb |
| 16:27.49 | macnewbold | if you want larger ones, you'll need to bump them |
| 16:28.02 | mindjuju_ | hmm... some file sizes maybe over 200mb |
| 16:28.04 | macnewbold | we allow up to 10mb files, 20mb total post for one of our clients |
| 16:28.19 | macnewbold | yeah, a 200mb post may be a bit on the large side... |
| 16:28.31 | macnewbold | I'd say sftp or scp then |
| 16:28.44 | macnewbold | there are some good GUI ftp/sftp clients that would work well |
| 16:28.53 | macnewbold | on any OS, and they're free |
| 16:29.58 | Utah_Dave | I got scp working a while back. It wasn't too much trouble. There's a good windows client I used. I'll poke around and find it |
| 16:30.18 | macnewbold | winscp perhaps? |
| 16:30.20 | macnewbold | ;) |
| 16:30.22 | macnewbold | I dunno |
| 16:30.32 | mindjuju_ | Utah_Dave, that would be greatly appreciated |
| 16:31.16 | mindjuju_ | yeah, i don't know about that guy that walks around saying can you hear me, cause he doesn't walk around where i live |
| 16:31.16 | dataw0lf | on phone waiting for them to fix this account problem |
| 16:33.48 | macnewbold | what's the problem? |
| 16:33.51 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: hey, just called into an impromptu meeting by my boss. I'll get back to you on the scp client right after |
| 16:34.07 | mindjuju_ | no worries, thanks for looking |
| 16:37.02 | diskotec|w | mindjuju: looking for a windows scp client? |
| 16:37.17 | mindjuju_ | i found the one that macnewbold mentioned, winscp |
| 16:37.28 | mindjuju_ | did you have a different one? |
| 16:37.29 | diskotec|w | I've been using http://winscp.net/eng/index.php for about a month now |
| 16:37.58 | macnewbold | on Mac OS X, cyberduck is good |
| 16:38.12 | mindjuju_ | what are you using for server side diskotec? |
| 16:38.40 | diskotec|w | actually, I'm connecting to someone elses server...I'd have to get back with you on that. |
| 16:39.03 | mindjuju_ | mac, know anything for serverside? |
| 16:45.54 | macnewbold | server side for scp/sftp? |
| 16:45.56 | macnewbold | sshd works great |
| 16:46.11 | macnewbold | you may need to edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config to turn on the sftp subsystem though |
| 16:46.16 | macnewbold | scp works anywhere that ssh works |
| 16:46.20 | macnewbold | no special config required |
| 16:46.44 | macnewbold | it basically just cat's your file over the net cnxn (encrypted), and saves it as a file on the other end |
| 16:49.04 | mindjuju_ | ugh, they just bumped the priority on this to high with a meeting in a 2 hours. i'm reading wikipedia on SCP and have the technical requirements for winscp |
| 16:49.08 | mindjuju_ | thnx for the advice |
| 16:50.01 | diskotec|w | mindjuju: is that vista machine still alive or did you put it out of its misery? |
| 16:50.14 | mindjuju_ | still alive |
| 16:50.19 | mindjuju_ | just rebooted it actually |
| 16:50.40 | mindjuju_ | the crazy thing is -- is that it is on an IBM thinkcentre so all major components |
| 16:50.51 | mindjuju_ | no obsure hardware it is is having troubles |
| 16:54.00 | macnewbold | hm |
| 16:54.07 | macnewbold | so mindjuju_: are you all set? |
| 16:54.14 | macnewbold | the server isn't windows, is it? |
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| 16:56.25 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Do it once for me, will you? |
| 17:15.01 | mindjuju_ | server is win2k3 box |
| 17:15.36 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Did they say uncle? |
| 17:16.28 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: I used winscp. It worked pretty well |
| 17:16.35 | mindjuju_ | coo |
| 17:19.45 | dataw0lf | jsmith: looking like it, the phone might finally be activated |
| 17:19.45 | dataw0lf | yup |
| 17:19.46 | dataw0lf | it is |
| 17:19.55 | dataw0lf | nice customer service lady though |
| 17:20.10 | jsmith | Their customer service is actually pretty good most of the time. |
| 17:20.30 | jsmith | Too bad their coverage area and corporate policies aren't better, though. |
| 17:23.34 | mindjuju_ | k, so i have a security question |
| 17:23.48 | mindjuju_ | yesterday night between 1 - 3a i plowed through most of the GPG manual |
| 17:24.11 | mindjuju_ | it talked about encryption and level of encryption |
| 17:25.42 | mindjuju_ | so it was saying that if i encrypted a doc using symetrical encrytion, 58 bit encrytion was that bad as it provided more than 72 trillion combinations, were as if i used asymetrical public key, i had to use 1028 bit encyption because asymetrical uses prime numbers and brute force hacking didn't have to try that hard to find the key |
| 17:26.10 | mindjuju_ | so, here, i'm understanding that just fine, but when we switch over to SSL encrytion and 256bit encrytion, where does that fit in? |
| 17:26.37 | mindjuju_ | and i know ssl is the channel vs gpg is the file or string |
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| 17:30.54 | jsmith | mindjuju_: As I understand it (and I don't -- trust me), with SSL the asymetrical key is only used to pass along a symetrical key, and then the symetrical key is used to encrypt all the data going back and forth. |
| 17:34.18 | dataw0lf | This is a good explanation: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ssl/ssl_intro.html |
| 17:46.02 | mindjuju_ | k, so first things first. The role that verisign or other certificate authorities play is just to confirm prior to issuing the certificate that the server is who I claim it is. IE, verisign doesn't provide any encryption. The server handles the encryption, verisign just vouches for public key i offer. |
| 17:57.01 | mindjuju_ | so, is there a significant penalty for uploading files using SSL? by that i mean if i have a big file and i am pushing through SSL, then every packet of that large file has to be encrypted sent, received decrypted |
| 17:57.41 | mindjuju_ | thanks for the SSL intro dataw0lf, it helped explain things |
| 17:58.11 | dataw0lf | np |
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| 17:58.22 | dataw0lf | there are numerous people trying to speed ssl up |
| 17:59.18 | jsmith | There are also SSL accelerators and hardware crypto cards. |
| 17:59.19 | dataw0lf | I've seen servers brought to their knees because the administrators didn't realize the processing power needed to encrypt a whole site |
| 17:59.43 | mindjuju_ | yeah, that's what i'm afraid of |
| 17:59.50 | dataw0lf | hardware crypto cards are pretty sweet |
| 18:00.03 | mindjuju_ | file size range from10mb (average 50mb) max 200mb |
| 18:00.31 | mindjuju_ | so about 40 uploads averaging 50mb coming in about a week's space of time |
| 18:00.53 | mindjuju_ | would you think that back breaking? |
| 18:01.12 | dataw0lf | no |
| 18:09.53 | macnewbold | well, give it a try, and watch your cpu load on the server :) |
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| 20:33.57 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
| 20:36.27 | mindjuju_ | ~nosepick macnewbold |
| 20:36.27 | jbot | ACTION plucks macnewbold out of the nose of humanity and wipes him on the couch! |
| 21:00.42 | macnewbold | ~frenchassault mindjuju_ |
| 21:00.43 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! mindjuju_, I unclog my nose in your direction, sons of a window-dresser! I wave my private parts at your aunties, you heaving lot of second hand electric donkey bottom biters! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a! |
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| 22:19.49 | mindjuju_ | jbot: mactattack $1 is <action> (uses jumper cables to stun $1|uses a paperclip to hotwire $1's car|uses flame, duct pipe and a cinch belt to launch a beer keg at $1|jumps on bell rope, causing bell to hit $1|mixes nitrate, cellulose and acide to make nitor manite and lobs it at $1... Boom )! |
| 22:19.49 | jbot | mindjuju_: okay |
| 22:20.02 | mindjuju_ | ~macattack macnewbold |
| 22:20.23 | mindjuju_ | jbot: macattack $1 is <action> (uses jumper cables to stun $1|uses a paperclip to hotwire $1's car|uses flame, duct pipe and a cinch belt to launch a beer keg at $1|jumps on bell rope, causing bell to hit $1|mixes nitrate, cellulose and acide to make nitor manite and lobs it at $1... Boom )! |
| 22:20.24 | jbot | mindjuju_: okay |
| 22:20.30 | mindjuju_ | ~macattack macnewbold |
| 22:20.30 | jbot | ACTION uses flame, duct pipe and a cinch belt to launch a beer keg at macnewbold! |
| 22:21.05 | dataw0lf | pssh |
| 22:21.21 | mindjuju_ | purl: forget cmd: mactattack (.*?) |
| 22:21.29 | mindjuju_ | jbot: forget cmd: shoot (.*?) |
| 22:21.29 | jbot | mindjuju_: i forgot cmd: shoot (.*?) |
| 22:21.39 | mindjuju_ | macattack contains real macgyverisms! |
| 22:22.03 | mindjuju_ | ~macattack dataw0lf |
| 22:22.03 | jbot | ACTION uses a paperclip to hotwire dataw0lf's car! |
| 22:22.15 | dataw0lf | ~dhit mindjuju_ |
| 22:22.15 | jbot | ACTION appears on mindjuju_'s left side and performs the Ricer Slayer Blow upon mindjuju_'s shoulder |
| 22:22.35 | mindjuju_ | ~wiseguy dataw0lf |
| 22:22.35 | jbot | ACTION runs up to dataw0lf and pokes dataw0lf in the eyes! |
| 22:31.29 | mindjuju_ | man, i'm lucky i was born when i was... when it was still legal to throw a water ballon and recipricate without fear of felony charges |
| 22:31.30 | mindjuju_ | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050803/ap_on_re_us/girl_charged |
| 22:35.50 | com4 | 3 cop cars and a helicopter is a little overkill |
| 22:36.01 | mindjuju_ | yeah |
| 22:37.23 | mindjuju_ | i think the whole thing just seems so blown out of control. like the fact that the girl's dad called it self defense? please! the boy was being a goofus and threw a balloon. she was being acting her age by throwing something back (ida done the same thing) but to call it self defense? |
| 22:37.52 | mindjuju_ | was she in fear of her life because of the water balloon? |
| 22:38.22 | mindjuju_ | crazy how everything seems to have gotten so complex, legally speaking, of late |
| 22:47.46 | diskotec|w | laziness and/or greed...plain and simple |
| 22:48.21 | mindjuju_ | yup |
| 23:21.17 | *** join/#uphpu spiral_shell (spiral_she@131.172.187.119) |
| 23:22.28 | spiral_shell | my defines are not working... is there a setting somewhere that enables define? or isnt that the problem? (i.e. this type of define: define(PATH,'includes/');) |
| 23:28.45 | macnewbold | how are you referencing them, spiral_shell? |
| 23:28.53 | macnewbold | I mean, using them? |
| 23:29.14 | macnewbold | there's not a setting that I know of that could turn them off. |
| 23:30.04 | macnewbold | you're using them after they are defined, or after the file that defines them is included, right? And they're not inside a conditional statement? (Just checking, to make sure) |
| 23:30.32 | mindjuju_ | ~macattack macnewbold |
| 23:30.33 | jbot | ACTION uses jumper cables to stun macnewbold! |
| 23:30.49 | macnewbold | (those kinds of questions are the software equivalent of "is the computer plugged into the wall?" "Is your surge protector turned on?", and must be asked, no matter how unlikely) |
| 23:30.58 | macnewbold | ~lart mindjuju_ |
| 23:31.02 | macnewbold | ~cluebat mindjuju_ |
| 23:31.02 | jbot | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps mindjuju_. |
| 23:31.21 | mindjuju_ | hey, like your macattack? they are based on real macgyverisms |
| 23:32.25 | macnewbold | ah |
| 23:32.31 | macnewbold | ~insult mindjuju_ |
| 23:32.54 | mindjuju_ | ~abuse macnewbold |
| 23:32.54 | jbot | ACTION smacks macnewbold across the face. "Take that, Bitch!" |
| 23:33.09 | spiral_shell | Hi, thanks macnewbold the defines, after an php upgrade needed the constants to be in '' (i.e. 'PATH') |
| 23:35.17 | macnewbold | spiral_shell: so how do you use them? can you paste a line of code? |
| 23:35.25 | macnewbold | or is it the define() calls that are giving you errors? |
| 23:44.33 | mindjuju_ | hey mac or d 'dub either of you around? |
| 23:46.08 | mindjuju_ | when i was making a key in gpg i set it to 4096 (cause bigdog said to), but when i made the key gpg asked if i really need it that big. do i? |
| 23:51.51 | macnewbold | mindjuju_: I'm here still |
| 23:51.53 | macnewbold | (barely :) ) |
| 23:52.08 | mindjuju_ | so is 4096 key size too big? |
| 23:52.56 | macnewbold | no, probably not |
| 23:53.02 | mindjuju_ | k |
| 23:53.03 | macnewbold | 1024 and 2048 are more common |
| 23:53.09 | macnewbold | but 4096 could work too |
| 23:53.26 | mindjuju_ | it's only for a string about 200 characters long |
| 23:53.34 | macnewbold | huh? |
| 23:53.41 | macnewbold | the passphrase is that big? |
| 23:53.46 | macnewbold | or the data you're encrypting? |
| 23:54.00 | mindjuju_ | right data encrypting is only about 200 characters long |
| 23:54.09 | macnewbold | hm |
| 23:54.19 | macnewbold | must be an important 200 chars :) |
| 23:54.41 | mindjuju_ | yup |
