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| 02:01.39 | mindjuju | anybody know if in CSS - you know how you can specifiy what symbol you want for LI like disc, or bullets, etc. can you set the LI to use a specific ASCII symbol like » ? |
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| 02:37.41 | eco|w | I don't beleive so. |
| 02:38.01 | eco|w | You can use an arbitrary image though (by faking it with a background and some padding) |
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| 03:11.08 | mindjuju | yo, anybody here do CSS with proficiency? |
| 03:12.51 | bigdog_ut | no |
| 03:13.17 | mindjuju | hmmm |
| 03:13.29 | mindjuju | so were you really el_gaucho? |
| 03:14.54 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 03:14.59 | bigdog_ut | do this |
| 03:15.17 | bigdog_ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:15.53 | mindjuju | hmm.. it says my nick isn't registered |
| 03:17.21 | mindjuju | i hate that CSS is taking longer than 2 weeks to becomes partially proficent at. And when i bust my head against the code and feel like breaking down and just putting in a table, it reminds me of people trying to get off cigarettes |
| 03:17.30 | mindjuju | i think, just a quick little table won't hurt, just 1 |
| 03:18.12 | mindjuju | and then i remember i haven't used a table for layout for 2 whole weeks, been hard to lay off the tables |
| 03:33.07 | eco|w | Just don't fall into the trap of thinking you aren't supposed to use tables at all like some CSS zealots would have you think. Use tables for tabular data as it was designed. |
| 03:33.48 | mindjuju | yeah, i'm not. i'm using it for layout cause i sux and can't figure this thing out and running on a deadline and just want to get this frickin' thing done |
| 03:34.13 | mindjuju | but i will go back and fix it after i finish reading the CSS Zen Garden book |
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| 06:13.53 | mindjuju | anybody know a good source for icons or other web elements? |
| 06:14.29 | mindjuju | specifically looking for an icon of a movie projector, icon size 16x16 |
| 06:15.34 | bigdog_ut | kde-look.org and gnome.org |
| 06:15.58 | mindjuju | thnx |
| 06:16.21 | bigdog_ut | np |
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| 16:05.46 | dataw0lf | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050722/ap_on_fe_st/naked_tickler |
| 16:06.11 | jsmith | Just from the URL, it doesn't look work safe :-) |
| 16:06.23 | dataw0lf | it's work safe. |
| 16:08.53 | dataw0lf | might as well post it here too |
| 16:08.57 | dataw0lf | dataw0lf.org/airplane.jpg |
| 16:09.04 | dataw0lf | I'm looking at our tifs of Las Vegas |
| 16:09.11 | dataw0lf | and, there's these apartments east of the airport |
| 16:09.18 | dataw0lf | outside the airport |
| 16:09.19 | dataw0lf | and that's there |
| 16:14.02 | macnewbold | whoa |
| 16:29.11 | fungus | Anyone have experience w/ Oracle installations? |
| 16:29.23 | el_gaucho | y |
| 16:29.31 | fungus | Can I run it on FreeBSD? |
| 16:29.42 | el_gaucho | what product? db? |
| 16:29.48 | fungus | yeah. |
| 16:30.14 | el_gaucho | you can try and see...the new ones now do checks first and they will tell you if it is not supported |
| 16:31.02 | el_gaucho | let me check something |
| 16:31.08 | fungus | I just inherited 9i. I don't want to run it on linux, but will if I have to. |
| 16:33.01 | el_gaucho | i think you use the oracle9i linux version and see if that will work...if not then you might need linux |
| 16:34.17 | fungus | does oracle9i run well on debian or gentoo? |
| 16:34.28 | el_gaucho | no not really |
| 16:34.36 | el_gaucho | we run it all on redhat here |
| 16:34.50 | el_gaucho | that is their partner in crime |
| 16:34.59 | el_gaucho | i run it on fc1 too |
| 16:35.07 | fungus | erg. I dislike rpm distros. |
| 16:35.19 | el_gaucho | yeah |
| 16:35.39 | el_gaucho | i have only done the oracle client on gentoo and that sucks |
| 16:35.47 | el_gaucho | cause oracle likes older gcc version |
| 16:36.42 | fungus | crap. |
| 16:36.50 | el_gaucho | but to be honest i have not tried it on any other system |
| 16:37.04 | el_gaucho | debian might be a good choice |
| 16:37.09 | dataw0lf | true dat. |
| 16:37.24 | dataw0lf | debian is always a good choice |
| 16:37.47 | el_gaucho | but i think you will have issues to overcome |
| 16:38.24 | el_gaucho | http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Oracle_Database.shtml |
| 16:38.43 | fungus | It really sucks cause I just got this dumped in my lap, and I have never installed oracle or even really used oracle. |
| 16:38.49 | el_gaucho | thats 10gr2 version...might be okay for older version 9i |
| 16:39.16 | optikal | Whats the deal with trying to create a database in php with mysql_query, and it won't create one with a - ion the db name, even though mysql/phpmyadmin will? |
| 16:39.22 | optikal | Do I need to escape it or something? |
| 16:40.18 | el_gaucho | fungus, try it out on debian and see how it works...let me know if you need help |
| 16:40.40 | fungus | I think that is what I will do. Thank you much. |
| 16:44.48 | dataw0lf | optikal: CREATE DATABASE `blah-blah` |
| 16:45.13 | optikal | dataw0lf: tried that |
| 16:45.25 | optikal | err wait |
| 16:45.28 | optikal | Those are backtics. |
| 16:45.33 | dataw0lf | correct. |
| 16:46.22 | optikal | That did it -- thanks |
| 16:46.33 | el_gaucho | fungus, i was thinking do you have to have it on oracle? can you migrate to pgsql |
| 16:46.35 | optikal | What specifically, does backticks say that single quote doesnt? |
| 16:46.42 | optikal | in the mysql query, that is. |
| 16:47.08 | dataw0lf | it's the identifier quote |
| 16:47.33 | dataw0lf | iirc, ANSI_QUOTES can be turned on to use them |
| 16:47.56 | el_gaucho | fungus -> http://www.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/01-may/o31linux.html |
| 16:48.10 | dataw0lf | optikal: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/legal-names.html |
| 16:51.55 | mindjuju | hey wps |
| 16:53.09 | dataw0lf | ~dhit bigdog_ut |
| 16:53.09 | jbot | ACTION manages to land Gentoo Install Time on bigdog_ut, freezing him for days |
| 16:53.26 | mindjuju | or anybody, have ya'll heard of a web page written in CSS not completely displaying if the window isn't all the way maximized? |
| 16:53.31 | mindjuju | an IE only error |
| 16:53.43 | mindjuju | seems to be working just fine in firefox and netscape |
| 16:53.53 | dataw0lf | absolute values? .. *shrug* I dunno |
| 16:54.05 | jsmith | mindjuju: Never heard of it. |
| 16:59.48 | dataw0lf | anyone been paying attention to the default hz conversation on the lkml ? |
| 17:01.40 | jsmith | dataw0lf: A little bit, but not that much. |
| 17:02.14 | macnewbold | optikal: in general, it's not too good to make mysql tables/databases with dashes in them. it likes underscores much better. you'll likely run into similar problems other places if you keep the dash. |
| 17:03.07 | dataw0lf | jsmith: was it ever explained why Linus jumped from 100 to 1000 in the first place? I'm just curious. |
| 17:03.21 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Yes. |
| 17:03.39 | jsmith | dataw0lf: So that it would make enough of an impact that people would *know for sure* if they'd hard-coded it somewhere. |
| 17:03.58 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Check out the synopsis at kerneltrap.org |
| 17:04.05 | dataw0lf | word |
| 17:04.18 | dataw0lf | just went there right after I asked. |
| 17:07.28 | macnewbold | anyone here like flyspray? there's now a #flyspray |
| 17:07.31 | macnewbold | ~flyspray |
| 17:07.31 | jbot | somebody said flyspray was a bug tracking system: http://flyspray.rocks.cc/ |
| 17:08.54 | macnewbold | jbot, no, flyspray is an excellent lightweight bug tracking system: see http://flyspray.rocks.cc/ or #flyspray or see it in action: http://flyspray.rocks.cc/bts/ |
| 17:08.54 | jbot | okay, macnewbold |
| 17:08.58 | macnewbold | ~flyspray |
| 17:08.58 | jbot | flyspray is, like, an excellent lightweight bug tracking system: see http://flyspray.rocks.cc/ or #flyspray or see it in action: http://flyspray.rocks.cc/bts/ |
| 17:09.55 | dataw0lf | ah jea, flyspray+++ |
| 17:10.42 | optikal | macnewbold: good to know -- thanks. :) |
| 17:16.10 | mindjuju | macnewbold = flyspray propagandist - maybe he's on the take? |
| 17:19.55 | el_gaucho | dataw0lf, you got any good links to some security sites..im looking to add some more stuff to my list |
| 17:20.40 | dataw0lf | what type of security sites? |
| 17:20.42 | dataw0lf | reference? |
| 17:20.44 | dataw0lf | news? |
| 17:21.02 | el_gaucho | news |
| 17:21.03 | dataw0lf | **RED ALERT** sites ? ;) |
| 17:21.10 | el_gaucho | y |
| 17:21.43 | mindjuju | and how bout some 0 day exploit sites! |
| 17:22.19 | jsmith | el_gaucho: incidents.org is sparse on details, but fairly informative |
| 17:22.34 | jsmith | el_gaucho: Check the NANOG archives too |
| 17:23.05 | dataw0lf | net-security.org, securityfocus.com, incidents.org, vulnwatch.org |
| 17:23.07 | mindjuju | you prolly already have neophasis archieves |
| 17:23.23 | mindjuju | but their full disclosure is cool |
| 17:23.42 | el_gaucho | yeah and sans is really good for reading |
| 17:23.46 | dataw0lf | and then every seclist.org mailing list |
| 17:23.57 | dataw0lf | seclists.org rather |
| 17:29.33 | dataw0lf | I don't usually visit security sites, though, I just archive a crapload of mailing lists. |
| 17:31.03 | el_gaucho | im just really looking for feeds that i can have |
| 17:31.31 | el_gaucho | i need stuff to scan fast and glean what i think is important |
| 17:31.41 | jsmith | Exactly. |
| 17:32.04 | mindjuju | like a daily digest of exploits |
| 17:32.11 | dataw0lf | Huh. |
| 17:32.17 | mindjuju | cert does that |
| 17:32.32 | dataw0lf | I am able to scan and glean quickly over about 60 security mailing lists. You're just lazy. |
| 17:32.43 | dataw0lf | cert sucks. |
| 17:33.11 | mindjuju | yeah, so is the energy blade when I sneak up behind ya! |
| 17:33.17 | fungus | el_gaucho, thanks for the link. That will probably help. |
| 17:33.29 | el_gaucho | fungus, no problem |
| 17:33.53 | fungus | I just had an argument with my boss over his delusions of grandeur. |
| 17:34.25 | dataw0lf | two or three mailing lists will give you all the security advisories you'll be able to find on any public mailing list, so an RSS for those is cool. |
| 17:34.43 | el_gaucho | that is what i need |
| 17:34.54 | el_gaucho | so i got a couple from those sites |
| 17:35.21 | el_gaucho | securityfocus, netsecurity, linuxsecurity...they got some nice feeds |
| 17:35.32 | dataw0lf | yeah. |
| 17:37.39 | el_gaucho | http://images.insecure.org/nmap/images/matrix/DVD_Rip1.jpg |
| 17:37.59 | dataw0lf | yeah. |
| 17:38.07 | el_gaucho | i love trinity |
| 17:38.12 | dataw0lf | I was pretty shocked when Matrix Reloaded came out and I saw them using an actual exploit |
| 17:42.19 | macnewbold | so fungus, is your boss still deluded, or did you set him straight? ;) |
| 17:44.14 | fungus | I think I am slowly bringing him back to the real world a little at a time. |
| 17:44.45 | fungus | But he still thinks and wants to turn ArosNet into the next Ikano on much bigger scale. |
| 17:45.41 | macnewbold | yeah, a major overhaul of stuff would just alienate the customers you have already, and is much more likely to make things worse than better |
| 17:45.50 | macnewbold | ArosNet doesn't need a revolution, they need evolution |
| 17:46.43 | macnewbold | he's not going to be doing _anything_ on a "big scale" unless he can become more of a competitor to XMission, and maybe some other dominant Utah ISPs |
| 17:46.46 | fungus | Exactly my point. |
| 17:46.52 | macnewbold | though none dominate like XM |
| 17:47.16 | macnewbold | he's got to be "Big with a Capital B" in Utah before he can take over the world |
| 17:47.25 | macnewbold | and you can tell him I said so |
| 17:47.33 | fungus | He thinks he will just buy out XM in the next year or 2 |
| 17:47.39 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 17:47.41 | macnewbold | rotlfl |
| 17:47.43 | macnewbold | lol |
| 17:47.46 | macnewbold | haha |
| 17:47.52 | macnewbold | laughing so hard I'm crying |
| 17:48.01 | fungus | yeah. now you see what I mean. |
| 17:48.23 | macnewbold | I highly highly doubt that Senator Pashdown, I mean, Ashdown will let that happen |
| 17:48.51 | macnewbold | he's gotten many great offers to sell, |
| 17:48.52 | macnewbold | and he won't |
| 17:48.55 | macnewbold | and he's smart not to |
| 17:49.00 | macnewbold | cause they're going nowhere but up |
| 17:49.03 | fungus | agreed. |
| 17:49.10 | macnewbold | someone else would probably just break things |
| 17:50.18 | dataw0lf | Ashdown puts value on technological freedom, he isn't just a businessman. |
| 17:50.23 | macnewbold | and your boss and ArosNet would have a very hard time getting together the funds to buy XM, even if it were for sale |
| 17:50.28 | macnewbold | ~praise Ashdown |
| 17:50.28 | jbot | All hail Ashdown! |
| 17:50.58 | macnewbold | he's a good businessman too, but bases his business on firm technological and ideological ground |
| 17:51.10 | dataw0lf | that's why he won't sell. You could offer him a boatload of money, and I doubt if he'd take it. He truly cares about his company, the only way, imo, that he'd sell would be if someone proved they could do a better job than him. |
| 17:51.25 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: yah, that's why he's awesome. |
| 17:51.40 | macnewbold | it sounds like fungus' boss is a businessman ("good" is in doubt), but tech-wise is clueless |
| 17:52.00 | fungus | macnewbold, you are 100% correct. |
| 17:52.23 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: I think you're totally right... and it would be _very_ hard to do a better job than him, much less show in advance that you could |
| 17:52.49 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: yeah, agreed. |
| 17:52.58 | fungus | This is the ISP that my boss created before he came here. http://www.familysafeweb.net/ |
| 17:53.09 | dataw0lf | and I live above one of his system administrators, and, well, I'm comparing what he says about his boss to what fungus says about his own ;) |
| 17:53.43 | fungus | The old owner of ArosNet was a great guy, but too cheap to let us evolve properly. |
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| 17:54.33 | dataw0lf | hrm |
| 17:56.02 | dataw0lf | mah lip hurtz |
| 17:56.45 | macnewbold | too much kissing with the chix0rs? |
| 17:57.05 | dataw0lf | repierced my labret |
| 18:09.39 | macnewbold | ah |
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| 18:28.22 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: are you planning on getting your Ph.D? |
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| 18:58.11 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: I thought about it, but currently I'm not planning on doing it anytime soon |
| 18:58.52 | macnewbold | originally I was going going to spend 2yrs doing a MS and then 4-5 more doing a PhD, but the MS ended up being about 4yrs, and work was going well, and school was getting really annoying |
| 18:59.04 | dataw0lf | word |
| 18:59.09 | macnewbold | one day I might go back, but right now, I'm not too interested in doing that |
| 19:23.03 | macnewbold | why do you ask? :) |
| 19:31.34 | dataw0lf | *shrug* just curious :] |
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| 21:19.39 | bradym | so... random off-topic question.. anyone good with postfix? |
| 21:20.03 | fungus | fairly so. |
| 21:20.05 | jsmith | bradym: Ask on the SLLUG mailing list -- there are a bunch of Postfix people on there |
| 21:20.14 | fungus | or in #utah |
| 21:21.30 | bradym | k - i'll try asking in #utah where it's more on topic.. thanks |
| 21:22.38 | fungus | it's not a matter of topic. it is a matter of there are more experts in #utah, than here. |
| 21:23.43 | bradym | true... i like to stay on topic as much as possible.. i know it annoys some people when going that far off topic :) |
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| 22:18.56 | macnewbold | really, we don't mind the topic. UPHPU is a pretty open group, and accepts anything related to PHP web development, especially LAMP issues. Postfix is often a part of a LAMP server, so it counts. but #utah has more experts present. |
| 22:18.58 | macnewbold | ~lamp |
| 22:18.58 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, lamp is the Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/, or an acronym for \"Linux, Apache, MySQL, (Perl,Python,PHP)\". Lesbian Asian Midget Pr0n |
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| 23:36.43 | macnewbold | happy weekend, all |
