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| 00:31.42 | jmul|w | hi mindjuju |
| 00:31.48 | mindjuju | yo |
| 00:31.58 | mindjuju | sup? |
| 00:32.25 | jmul|w | not much....working a little late every day this week to get friday off |
| 00:33.31 | mindjuju | that sounds cool! I've had to shift my schedule this week. I'm doing 4p - 11 and Saturday to fill to 40 hrs - my mom-in-law is in ICU so i'm watching my son in the mornings so my wife can help and be with fam |
| 00:33.57 | mindjuju | bummer that they've canceled tomorrow's meeting |
| 00:34.03 | jmul|w | helping out with a pioneer day celebration on friday. get to learn about and run a sound board for a bunch of bands that are going to play |
| 00:34.22 | jmul|w | oh man...sorry to hear about the mother-in-law |
| 00:34.30 | jmul|w | do you get a long with her? |
| 00:35.01 | mindjuju | i'm jealous! Soundboard? i fancied myself a poor DJ when i was in high school, but never could afford the equipment - but I have tons of music |
| 00:35.21 | mindjuju | Mother in law is way cool as mother in laws go |
| 00:35.30 | jmul|w | yeah... same here |
| 00:35.36 | mindjuju | but, news from today is that she's doing a lot better |
| 00:36.06 | jmul|w | thats good |
| 00:36.21 | mindjuju | what type of music are the bands playing? |
| 00:37.36 | jmul|w | mostly local bands.... local = mariachi, hispanic, a couple of "wannabe" green day bands and a bluegrass band. |
| 00:37.49 | jmul|w | it's the churches soundboard.... I couldn't believe they owned something this fancy |
| 00:38.40 | mindjuju | mariachi bands are cool, but we are talking the full folk mariachi bands, right, with the somberos and matching outfits? |
| 00:38.49 | jmul|w | yes |
| 00:38.52 | mindjuju | not like the ranchera bands that play the accordian |
| 00:38.54 | mindjuju | k, cool |
| 00:38.59 | jmul|w | no... real mariachi |
| 00:39.07 | mindjuju | i'll be honest with you |
| 00:39.19 | mindjuju | i'm hispanic and Ranchera music is like kryptonite to me |
| 00:39.32 | jmul|w | hehe |
| 00:40.21 | jmul|w | yeah... I believe there will be one of those bands there too....maybe....they haven't confirmed yet |
| 00:40.30 | mindjuju | i consider myself fairly eclectic to music, but ranchera has no place in my collection. That's awesome about the mariachi bands. What up with the bluegrass band? |
| 00:40.46 | mindjuju | i heard some bluegrass in my Virginia days and that stuff is really good |
| 00:41.35 | jmul|w | oh... they redo other people's stuff but holy cow.... they sound like the real deal. I believe they will be playing some of the stuff off that movie "O, Brother, Where art thou" |
| 00:42.21 | mindjuju | hmm... this friday? got a promo or know of a web page with more info? |
| 00:42.25 | jmul|w | i loved that movie |
| 00:42.48 | jmul|w | no... bands really don't have to send a promo to play at this event. |
| 00:42.56 | jmul|w | I'll see if they have a website though |
| 00:43.18 | jmul|w | they just have to agree not to sing anything with profanity |
| 00:43.39 | mindjuju | o brother? that movie is classic, but the real question is where does it fit? Raising Arizona, Hudsucker Proxy and O brother? cause i'll be honest Cohen brother's finest has to be hudsucker, then i think o brother, then raising arizona |
| 00:44.04 | mindjuju | have you seen hudsucker proxy? |
| 00:44.06 | jmul|w | i've never heard of hudsucker |
| 00:44.15 | jmul|w | how old is that one? |
| 00:44.57 | mindjuju | -breathe- can't believe you haven't seen hudsucker. I promise, it is awesome! |
| 00:45.01 | mindjuju | '94 |
| 00:45.21 | jmul|w | I'll have to search around to see if that is in any of the local rental shops |
| 00:45.31 | mindjuju | how close are you to Draper? |
| 00:46.04 | jmul|w | draper, Ut? not close at all. I'm in south central colorado |
| 00:46.16 | jmul|w | Alamosa |
| 00:46.32 | mindjuju | really? I thought you were in Utah. bummer, i just happen to have the DVD here at work cause i watch it sometimes when I program |
| 00:46.37 | mindjuju | was going to loan it to ya |
| 00:46.50 | jmul|w | oh heh... thanks for the offer |
| 00:47.34 | mindjuju | Colorado, i've got a sis in Colorado |
| 00:47.47 | mindjuju | some community outside of Denver, though the name currently illudes me |
| 00:48.14 | jmul|w | yeah... denver area is about 4 hours away |
| 00:48.34 | jmul|w | well.. dinner time.... I'll be back in about 45 minutes |
| 00:48.44 | mindjuju | bon appeitite! |
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| 01:30.02 | jmul|w | pretty cool.... http://xplanet.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 03:00.20 | bigdog_ut | whatz up all |
| 03:09.08 | jmul|w | you been busy lately bigdog_ut? |
| 03:09.27 | jmul|w | haven't seen you here as much. |
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| 03:19.44 | bigdog_ut | no not really...work has been blocking all my traffic so i cant ssh out of the network |
| 03:19.57 | bigdog_ut | i can get out but big bro is watching me close |
| 03:20.03 | bigdog_ut | so i dont irc that much |
| 03:20.07 | bigdog_ut | until it cools down |
| 03:20.12 | jmul|w | that sucks |
| 03:20.18 | eco|w | I'm sick of The Man controlling IRC, man. |
| 03:20.55 | bigdog_ut | yeah it sucks...they said i was trying to break the firewall from the inside |
| 03:20.58 | bigdog_ut | which is total bs |
| 03:21.18 | bigdog_ut | funny cause i have like root access to that server and the room it is in |
| 03:21.39 | eco|w | Hehe |
| 03:23.53 | jmul|w | in general terms....what has to cool down? Did something bad happen in your office or the company? |
| 03:24.16 | bigdog_ut | no...they are just watchin my traffic closely |
| 03:24.34 | bigdog_ut | its all corp bs |
| 03:24.36 | bigdog_ut | really |
| 03:25.10 | bigdog_ut | i cant help it if i push hte t1 to the limit :) |
| 03:25.16 | jmul|w | yeah... i hate that crap |
| 03:25.18 | jmul|w | lol |
| 03:25.33 | bigdog_ut | i just like to compile on gentoo...right dataw0lf? |
| 03:26.55 | bigdog_ut | im like the only guy there that knows system...so i push sh*t all the time |
| 03:28.02 | bigdog_ut | so all in all jmul|w that is the delemma i am facing |
| 03:28.16 | jmul|w | is it a manger watching you or some punk ;) admin? |
| 03:29.27 | bigdog_ut | admin |
| 03:29.48 | bigdog_ut | funny cause i show him tons of stuff..now that will cease |
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| 03:32.13 | jmul|w | do you have access to a phone line? get some old computer with a modem and dial out to use irc....I guess you'd really have to love irc to do that though. |
| 03:32.55 | bigdog_ut | i can go out the proxy server...i just set up ssh on an outside box under port 443 and the i tunnel through the proxy server on port 443 |
| 03:33.03 | bigdog_ut | then i set up all my port forwarding |
| 03:33.23 | bigdog_ut | the only issue is that it persists and they see tons of my https (ssh) traffic running |
| 03:38.24 | jmul|w | yeah... well, I'm low-tech I guess. since I don't have access to that kind of equipment, i just use my dial up account when I want to visit sites like astalavist.box.sk. I got the "It'd probably be best if you didn't go to that site" speach when I used the hospital's connection. |
| 03:38.46 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 03:38.58 | bigdog_ut | thats when you tunnel it through ssh |
| 03:41.34 | jmul|w | well... I'm low-tech. the only time i've used ssh is for telnetting. how would i use ssh on my windows machine? wait, what site would be a good reference for that? I don't have access to any sort of linux box. |
| 03:43.18 | eco|w | PuTTY is the bestest. |
| 03:43.28 | bigdog_ut | cygwin is better |
| 03:43.38 | Utah_Dave | putty works great for me, too |
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| 03:43.49 | jmul|w | how would you browse the internet with putty? |
| 03:43.52 | eco|w | Meh...cygwin rocks but PuTTY is the better terminal in my opinion. |
| 03:44.00 | jmul|w | i use that for telnetting |
| 03:44.06 | eco|w | jmul|w: By running a browser :) |
| 03:44.11 | eco|w | lynx (or links2) |
| 03:44.29 | jmul|w | ok... so I'd need a linux box on the outside |
| 03:44.47 | bigdog_ut | or ssh into a box and do a dynamic port forward and then set your browser to proxy out |
| 03:45.20 | bigdog_ut | that is too messy |
| 03:45.33 | bigdog_ut | just use ssh as a sock4 proxy and you are good |
| 03:46.17 | eco|w | Well, I mean in general. Remote gVim over SSH is the bee's knees. |
| 03:46.27 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 03:46.30 | eco|w | (Or the cat's pajamas if you prefer) |
| 03:46.33 | bigdog_ut | why not just use vim |
| 03:46.43 | bigdog_ut | why the gui over ssh |
| 03:47.02 | eco|w | gVim has some extra nice-ities that I'm accustom to. |
| 03:47.18 | bigdog_ut | you mean the gui nicepities |
| 03:47.49 | eco|w | Really, just the dragging split windows and the far better appearance of syntax highlighted code. |
| 03:47.57 | eco|w | I normally disable the menus and toolbars. |
| 03:48.13 | bigdog_ut | yeah i do like that |
| 03:49.04 | bigdog_ut | ugh |
| 03:49.06 | eco|w | I guess I could just change my terminal to use it |
| 03:49.07 | bigdog_ut | terminal |
| 03:50.49 | bigdog_ut | terminal font is my favorite |
| 03:50.59 | bigdog_ut | kinda like monospace but better |
| 03:51.10 | bigdog_ut | and i use verdana for everything else |
| 03:51.15 | eco|w | I've never liked it. |
| 03:51.15 | bigdog_ut | the only font ms did right |
| 03:51.56 | eco|w | I use Verdana quite a bit. I use Georgia now a little bit for when Verdana just doesn't quite look how I want (usually that's a website though) |
| 03:52.58 | jmul|w | well... the box i just connected to using putty doesn't seem to have lynx |
| 03:53.19 | bigdog_ut | try links |
| 03:54.00 | jmul|w | hmm... links did something....it's thinking about it |
| 03:54.02 | eco|w | links2 -g was quite nice. I was pleasantly surprised that it was laying stuff out how you'd expect. |
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| 04:11.09 | jmul|w | i must have tried an older version of lynx a month or so back because it wouldn't let me get to the login screen for gmail |
| 04:11.19 | jmul|w | links does just fine |
| 04:15.00 | bigdog_ut | elinks is good too |
| 04:15.37 | jmul|w | hmm... not found on the machine I'm connected to |
| 04:16.05 | jmul|w | i'll keep that in mind when I do get my own linux box |
| 04:16.13 | bigdog_ut | not standard on most machines but a nice little app |
| 04:16.30 | bigdog_ut | let me grab the url |
| 04:16.42 | jmul|w | cool |
| 04:16.45 | bigdog_ut | http://elinks.or.cz |
| 04:17.12 | bigdog_ut | http://elinks.or.cz/screenshots/freshmeat--2004-09-29.png |
| 04:20.29 | jmul|w | thanks |
| 04:20.57 | jmul|w | that does look nice |
| 04:22.53 | jmul|w | is there any other comparable app to vnc in existence? or is vnc pretty much it? |
| 04:23.10 | bigdog_ut | what do you want to do |
| 04:23.52 | jmul|w | graphically take control of a linux box |
| 04:24.18 | jmul|w | wouldn't have to buy a switch box |
| 04:26.32 | bigdog_ut | jmul|w, or do you just want the gui window? |
| 04:27.19 | jmul|w | well... two computers connected to a network, one monitor. the linux box would be running gnome or kde |
| 04:28.55 | bigdog_ut | then you can use xdmcp |
| 04:28.57 | bigdog_ut | protocol |
| 04:29.14 | bigdog_ut | so one box is linux and the other? |
| 04:29.23 | jmul|w | xp |
| 04:29.42 | bigdog_ut | which one will you be on most |
| 04:29.49 | jmul|w | windows |
| 04:29.57 | bigdog_ut | okay here is what you can do: |
| 04:30.25 | bigdog_ut | 1. on windows connect to linux with xdmcp protocol using cygwin |
| 04:30.39 | bigdog_ut | 2. on linux connect to xp using remote desktop |
| 04:31.03 | jmul|w | do you have any references for that? |
| 04:31.12 | bigdog_ut | which one? |
| 04:31.37 | jmul|w | well.. i didn't know remote desktop had some sort of script or app for linux |
| 04:31.50 | jmul|w | i thought it was an M$ thing |
| 04:32.08 | bigdog_ut | it is...but linux guys have it now too |
| 04:32.24 | bigdog_ut | but from windows to linux it is nice to have the full window there |
| 04:32.38 | bigdog_ut | so you can install cygwin with x server and run it locally on windows |
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| 04:34.10 | jmul|w | xdmcp.... where could I find a good reference you have used on it? |
| 04:34.28 | bigdog_ut | google x server xdmcp |
| 04:34.43 | bigdog_ut | but i can walk you through it...it is kinda hard to use the first time around |
| 04:34.56 | jmul|w | ok... yeah I could do that...just wondering if there was a reference you had used and liked |
| 04:35.09 | jmul|w | cool |
| 04:35.10 | bigdog_ut | no there was not one |
| 04:35.26 | bigdog_ut | i actually have all the oreilly books on the x server which i tend to read alot |
| 04:36.03 | jmul|w | within the next 3 weeks I'll be putting together a second computer out of all the older computers we'll be getting rid of |
| 04:36.13 | jmul|w | I'll get a hold of you then |
| 04:36.34 | bigdog_ut | no problem |
| 04:37.01 | bigdog_ut | i might have to show you some cool images of how i do my remote stuff |
| 04:37.33 | jmul|w | yes... i like images...that would be helpful |
| 04:38.38 | bigdog_ut | yeah i do so funky stuff |
| 04:40.33 | bigdog_ut | also jmul|w, like eco said you can also use ssh to do x11 forwarding too |
| 04:40.56 | jmul|w | ok.... i'll have to learn about forwarding....not something I've ever done |
| 04:41.18 | bigdog_ut | good to read up on |
| 04:41.22 | jmul|w | not something I've had to do |
| 04:41.34 | bigdog_ut | but very good to know |
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| 04:44.43 | jmul|w | well.. I'm off work now. I'll catch ya later when I get a linux box put together. also, get back with me if you come across any newbie'ish books that I can read to do a review on. by the way, what kind of time frame am I given to get a review put together. |
| 04:45.12 | bigdog_ut | asap |
| 04:45.14 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 04:45.20 | bigdog_ut | 30 days is kinda standard |
| 04:45.24 | bigdog_ut | depending on the book |
| 04:46.35 | jmul|w | oh ok... well... maybe I better hold off then... school starts on the 22nd of August....I'll be swamped at that point |
| 04:47.23 | jmul|w | if it had to do with python or php I could justify reading it here at work |
| 04:47.40 | jmul|w | or mysql even |
| 04:48.38 | jmul|w | well...i'm off ... goodnight. |
| 04:49.39 | bigdog_ut | night |
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| 15:02.00 | Utah_Dave | anybody here up for a CSS question? |
| 15:02.30 | kryp71k|w | I'll try ... :D |
| 15:02.35 | Utah_Dave | thanks |
| 15:02.48 | Utah_Dave | I have a class in my CSS that looks like this: |
| 15:02.57 | Utah_Dave | .winecolor {background-color: #5D0D0C; color: #FFFFFF} |
| 15:03.20 | Utah_Dave | I want hyperlinks to be white also, but only within that class |
| 15:03.47 | trogdorr | .winecolor a {color:#FFFFFF} |
| 15:03.55 | Utah_Dave | that's it? |
| 15:03.55 | kryp71k|w | ture dis |
| 15:03.56 | wps | .winecolor a { color: #FFFFFF } |
| 15:04.00 | Utah_Dave | awesome |
| 15:04.10 | dataw0lf | yeah, just specify the class before the a attribute |
| 15:04.12 | Utah_Dave | so it's just a space between the items then |
| 15:04.25 | dataw0lf | correct |
| 15:04.43 | wps | the space cascades down the tree |
| 15:04.47 | Utah_Dave | thanks a lot, people. |
| 15:05.12 | wps | ie, an "a" inside an of an element with a class of "winecolor" |
| 15:05.17 | Utah_Dave | I remember that it worked like that somehow from your presentation, wade. But my notes weren't that good and I couldn't remember |
| 15:05.37 | kryp71k|w | I think you can specify it too ... like .winecolor a:active right? |
| 15:05.50 | dataw0lf | of course. |
| 15:05.51 | wps | yes, "active," "hover," etc |
| 15:06.43 | Utah_Dave | if I wanted to specify each of those (active, hover, etc) do they need to be on separate lines? |
| 15:07.06 | wps | lines are irrelevant in CSS |
| 15:07.10 | wps | (white space) |
| 15:07.15 | dataw0lf | whitespace is ignored |
| 15:07.22 | dataw0lf | what wps said |
| 15:07.30 | wps | if you want each to have the same declarations, then they can be grouped |
| 15:07.31 | wps | ie: |
| 15:07.47 | wps | a, a:active, a:hover { text-decoration: overline } |
| 15:08.03 | wps | but if you want them to have different, then they need their own |
| 15:08.12 | wps | a { weight: 900 } |
| 15:08.20 | wps | a:active { weight: 500 } |
| 15:08.28 | wps | a:hover { weight: 100 } |
| 15:09.12 | Utah_Dave | thanks to you guys, I already have this working just how I wanted it. |
| 15:09.23 | wps | you're welcome |
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| 16:47.45 | Utah_Dave | hey, thanks everyone for your help earlier: wade, dataw0lf, kryp71k. I've been flying along since then. |
| 16:48.24 | Utah_Dave | I'm trying to get away from tables for layout, etc. |
| 16:51.03 | Utah_Dave | I have another quick question. I've been googling for this, but I think I'm not using the correct terminology. I want a 4 or 5 pixel space all around a div. Do I use margin? or is there some kind of padding argument I should use? |
| 16:53.14 | trogdorr | margin is correct, but |
| 16:53.57 | trogdorr | beware of the margin-bottom, it "self collapses" |
| 16:54.21 | Utah_Dave | will margin work if I've set a width and height? |
| 16:55.21 | dataw0lf | yes |
| 16:56.56 | Utah_Dave | OK, thanks |
| 16:57.19 | trogdorr | here is a really good 5 page article explaining the box model, widths, and bottom margin collapsing http://www.brainjar.com/css/positioning/default.asp |
| 16:58.26 | Utah_Dave | sweet. Thanks |
| 17:01.48 | trogdorr | width can be confusing because IE defines width as content width + padding width while standards define width as content width |
| 17:17.37 | macnewbold | yeah, IE stinks when it comes to widths |
| 17:17.54 | macnewbold | Utah_Dave: the main choice is whether you want to use margin or padding |
| 17:18.01 | macnewbold | padding is inside border, margin is outside |
| 17:18.09 | macnewbold | padding of one element can't overlap with another |
| 17:18.13 | macnewbold | but margins can overlap |
| 17:18.16 | macnewbold | etc. |
| 17:18.38 | macnewbold | also, in IE, you can't put padding on things other than table cells and divs |
| 17:18.53 | macnewbold | in particular, you can't put padding on an image, just a margin |
| 19:27.31 | Utah_Dave | is there any real difference between a class and an id in CSS? |
| 19:29.13 | wps | absolutely |
| 19:29.17 | toxs | id has higher specificity |
| 19:29.18 | fungus | .classname vs. #idname |
| 19:29.23 | wps | IDs must be unique (can only be used once) |
| 19:29.42 | wps | classes are mean to be generic (used multiple times) |
| 19:29.53 | wps | correction: classes are meant to be generic |
| 19:29.58 | dataw0lf | right. |
| 19:30.03 | dataw0lf | but ids are meant for only one occurence |
| 19:30.08 | dataw0lf | (singular div, etc) |
| 19:31.06 | dataw0lf | http://www.tizag.com/cssT/cssid.php |
| 19:32.58 | Utah_Dave | Hmm, ok. |
| 19:33.14 | Utah_Dave | can an element have both an id and a class? |
| 19:33.21 | wps | yes, and often will |
| 19:34.56 | toxs | elements can have more than one class as well |
| 19:34.58 | Utah_Dave | so if I have <p class="style1" id="bottom"> text </p> then a font change in the id would over rule a font in style1? |
| 19:35.09 | Utah_Dave | because it's named last |
| 19:35.14 | toxs | no |
| 19:35.21 | toxs | id trumps class |
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| 19:35.44 | macnewbold | it also depends on the order things are specified in the css, too |
| 19:35.56 | macnewbold | the last thing in the css breaks a tie, when more than one thing applies |
| 19:35.58 | Utah_Dave | ok, but if that were multiple classes, then the last class name wins |
| 19:36.12 | toxs | but not the order in the <p> tag |
| 19:37.14 | dataw0lf | if you understand OO, you can think of it as basic inheritance. |
| 19:37.44 | macnewbold | Utah_Dave: not order of the class - <p class="style1 style2"> is the same as <p class="style2 style1"> |
| 19:37.55 | macnewbold | it's the order of the classes as they appear in your css declarations |
| 19:38.18 | macnewbold | if style1 appears first, and then style2 after it, style2 will dominate |
| 19:39.37 | Utah_Dave | oh, OK. |
| 19:39.40 | Utah_Dave | thanks, guys. |
| 20:04.16 | trogdorr | quick question: if you define a function outside of a class, is it accessible within the class? if not, how can you make it accessible within the class? |
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| 20:04.50 | macnewbold | trogdorr: yes, it's accessible |
| 20:04.55 | macnewbold | if it's not in any class, it's global |
| 20:04.57 | macnewbold | so it works everywhere |
| 20:05.16 | dataw0lf | trogdor was a man... I mean, he was a dragon man |
| 20:05.24 | trogdorr | cool thanks |
| 20:05.28 | dataw0lf | er, maybe he was just a dragon |
| 20:05.33 | trogdorr | ...burninating the country side |
| 20:05.34 | dataw0lf | but he was still |
| 20:05.34 | macnewbold | burninating |
| 20:05.35 | macnewbold | doh |
| 20:05.36 | dataw0lf | TROGDOORRRR |
| 20:05.37 | macnewbold | too slow |
| 20:05.47 | dataw0lf | TROGDOOORRRR |
| 20:05.56 | macnewbold | have to be careful typing and reading burninating... |
| 20:06.01 | trogdorr | now you've got that song stuck in my head :) |
| 20:06.06 | macnewbold | it looks way to much like urinating |
| 20:06.10 | dataw0lf | burninating the countryside |
| 20:06.13 | trogdorr | lmao |
| 20:06.15 | dataw0lf | burninating the peasants |
| 20:06.21 | dataw0lf | burninating all the peoples |
| 20:06.29 | dataw0lf | in their thatched roof COTTAGES!!! |
| 20:06.35 | dataw0lf | THATCHED ROOF COTTAGES!!!! |
| 20:06.39 | dataw0lf | :] |
| 20:07.01 | macnewbold | my buddy has that CD |
| 20:07.05 | macnewbold | pretty cool stuff |
| 20:07.43 | trogdorr | ugh, a cd. hearing it once is like hearing it 20 times :) |
| 20:08.36 | dataw0lf | that's all I'd listen to if I had that CD. Must... buy. |
| 20:09.00 | dataw0lf | Strong Mad. You just keep doing your thing, man. |
| 20:19.58 | mindjuju | man! i'm bummed that we aren't going to do a LAN party instead of the php meeting. was looking forward to getting DW with the energy sword when he wasn't lookin' |
| 20:21.22 | dataw0lf | *yawn* |
| 20:21.26 | dataw0lf | you, sir, are insane. |
| 20:21.50 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 20:27.33 | jmul|w | I'm reading about fopen() but I'm not understanding a few of the mode arguements. By the r+ they have "Open file for reading and writing. The file position indicator is placed at the beginning of the file." What is the "file position indicator"? |
| 20:28.22 | jmul|w | at first I thought it was appending and then I read that a and a+ does that |
| 20:28.37 | fungus | the position in the file where reading and/or writing will occur. |
| 20:29.10 | jmul|w | ok thanks |
| 20:38.27 | Utah_Dave | I have 2 divs, both with 1 image and some text. what's the best way to get them to line up horizontally. I'm using a " float: left " on the first one. that puts them next to eachother, but I'm not sure if that's the best way to do it. |
| 20:38.45 | wps | generally that is, yes |
| 20:39.14 | wps | it is not what float was designed for but until browsers can support columns, then that is the best method |
| 20:39.46 | Utah_Dave | thanks, wade |
| 20:40.43 | wps | meaning that although it is a misuse of a method, it is an industry accepted one |
| 20:42.30 | Utah_Dave | this abuse has just got to stop!!! |
| 20:42.32 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 20:46.14 | mindjuju | oops, well then what happens if i place two divs side by side using absolute? i've tested on several screens and it seems ok? |
| 20:54.31 | wps | you could position them absolutely, but I would recommend against it unless you specifically want them that way |
| 20:54.41 | wps | it's always better to lean towards fluid design instead of fixed |
| 20:56.56 | mindjuju | ugh, if you tell us to lay off the tables for layout, now you want my designs to be fluid?!? Next thing your going to say is to lay off the font tags in text. j/k bought the CSS Zen Garden book-- having to rethink how i code and layout |
| 20:57.12 | mindjuju | i'll see if the book mentions fluid design and float left to get a better understanding |
| 20:57.26 | mindjuju | thnx for your help wps! |
| 20:57.57 | wps | good XHTML/CSS design is fluid by default |
| 20:58.16 | wps | you should rarely have a need to position something absolutely |
| 20:59.09 | mindjuju | after seeing your comments to Utah_Dave, i know for sure i'm going to have to redo some of my css. seems like i have an id being called a couple of times. i'll have to check |
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| 21:29.56 | macnewbold | any javascript experts around today? |
| 21:30.11 | macnewbold | MSIE is retarded |
| 21:30.25 | macnewbold | we're trying to find the value of the selected option in a dropdown |
| 21:30.35 | macnewbold | but can't get MSIE to do it |
| 21:30.49 | macnewbold | we've found 3 other ways that all work in firefox and friends, but none work in MSIE |
| 21:31.18 | trogdorr | selectedIndex always seemed to work for me in IE |
| 21:31.52 | dataw0lf | [selectedIndex].value no? |
| 21:31.55 | toxs | form.select.options[form.select.selectedIndex].value |
| 21:32.53 | dataw0lf | you can just use selectedIndex, right? |
| 21:32.56 | dataw0lf | or am I stupid? |
| 21:32.57 | dataw0lf | e.g. |
| 21:33.07 | dataw0lf | myform.myselect.options[selectedIndex].value ? |
| 21:33.32 | trogdorr | no, selectedIndex is a property of the select object |
| 21:33.42 | toxs | you have to tell it which element you want the selectedIndex of |
| 21:33.50 | dataw0lf | Huh. |
| 21:34.00 | dataw0lf | Guess that's why I never do javascript. |
| 21:34.15 | toxs | it's a love hate thing |
| 21:34.16 | trogdorr | ha ha, yes, do as little javascript as possible!!! |
| 21:34.33 | dataw0lf | trogdorr: I don't do Javascript at all. |
| 21:34.38 | macnewbold | lemme check |
| 21:34.47 | toxs | javascript is getting better |
| 21:35.02 | dataw0lf | I wouldn't know. |
| 21:35.17 | dataw0lf | and 'better' is relative. |
| 21:35.31 | toxs | better than it was a few years ago |
| 21:35.33 | dataw0lf | I'm sure the Emperor in Star Wars could've gotten 'better', but he'd still be going to Hell. |
| 21:35.42 | dataw0lf | I didn't use JavaScript a few years ago either. |
| 21:35.53 | toxs | better ~ usable |
| 21:37.29 | dataw0lf | where's bigdog_ut at ? |
| 21:37.38 | dataw0lf | what a shammer. |
| 21:37.47 | toxs | fire walled in |
| 21:37.49 | wps | big brother got him |
| 21:37.56 | dataw0lf | hahaha. |
| 21:37.59 | dataw0lf | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 21:38.11 | wps | he was able to tunnel out but they were still monitoring his traffic |
| 21:38.24 | dataw0lf | hhahahaha that's great. |
| 21:38.43 | wps | they claim he was trying to hack their firewall from the inside out |
| 21:39.21 | dataw0lf | I've heard some of what goes on in them there network administration offices. |
| 21:39.29 | dataw0lf | sounds like a bunch of monkeys. |
| 21:43.49 | toxs | need a quick bit of code to send mime encoded emails, any recommendations, please don't say pear Mail_Mime |
| 21:46.16 | dataw0lf | http://www.zend.com/codex.php?id=103&single=1 |
| 21:47.38 | toxs | could work, thanks |
| 21:47.44 | dataw0lf | yar |
| 21:48.06 | dataw0lf | there's a newer version(s) at phpguru.org |
| 21:48.26 | toxs | bonus points for having a function named getRFC822 |
| 21:49.00 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 21:49.26 | Utah_Dave | later, guys. Thanks for all the help |
| 21:49.30 | Utah_Dave | I appreciate it |
| 21:49.34 | dataw0lf | cya |
| 21:50.59 | macnewbold | toxs: google for it, and there's some decent snippets that patch together a simple mime message |
| 21:51.16 | macnewbold | IIRC the one I liked was a 6-part article or something, from a couple-3 years ago probably |
| 21:52.46 | toxs | I was being lazy just looking for a quick dirty solution |
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| 22:13.07 | macnewbold | toxs: yeah, the one I used was pretty quick and dirty |
| 22:14.54 | toxs | is the plan for phlyte to be a mix of a frame work and a tool kit? |
| 22:15.47 | macnewbold | maybe :) depends on your definitions mostly. |
| 22:16.01 | macnewbold | but I can see how you can call it either one, probably |
| 22:17.29 | toxs | it would be nice to have a tool kit that is organized in a good frame work |
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