| 00:00.17 | bigdog_ut | \$ perhaps |
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| 00:03.08 | jm_ul|w | tried that.... when I did that, the results were such that I didn't use any quotes. |
| 00:03.25 | jm_ul|w | hm... oh well |
| 00:05.23 | bigdog_ut | jm_ul|w, try this: mencoder -ovc lavc Flurizan.mpg -oac lavc -o Flurizan.avi |
| 00:05.43 | design5279 | are you searching for a price range of something? |
| 00:05.49 | jm_ul|w | heh... you mean design |
| 00:06.03 | bigdog_ut | sorry jm_ul|w |
| 00:06.07 | jm_ul|w | no... I was looking up a php reserved variable |
| 00:06.11 | bigdog_ut | design5279, try that command i gave to jm_ul|w |
| 00:06.15 | jm_ul|w | no prob |
| 00:07.14 | mindjuju | jm, what was the string you were searching for? |
| 00:07.32 | jm_ul|w | $GLOBALS |
| 00:07.42 | jm_ul|w | google seems to like to strip off the $ |
| 00:08.10 | bigdog_ut | design5279, did you get that? |
| 00:08.30 | design5279 | trying... |
| 00:10.37 | mindjuju | jm, know what's weird? when i use google desktop, it finds some files with $GLOBALS, but when i ask it to search the web, it doesn't have it, like you mentioned |
| 00:10.52 | mindjuju | i wonder if the googlebot does some sort of ascii conversion ? |
| 00:14.33 | jm_ul|w | mindjuju: I'm trying to get some older code to work that uses the $GLOBALS variable. When doing a search on "$GLOBALS", the first page of results is worthless...well except the last option. When I added +php to the search I got more hits but a bunch of trash as well. I only wanted pages that had $GLOBALS in it. |
| 00:14.54 | jm_ul|w | so...I'm not sure |
| 00:16.15 | mindjuju | i can totally understand how effective that search would be, to be able to zone in on just results with $GLOBALS. |
| 00:16.25 | mindjuju | hey, i just ran on a tangent and found something interesting |
| 00:16.29 | mindjuju | breakthrough even |
| 00:16.30 | mindjuju | http://www.koders.com/?s=%24GLOBALS&_%3Abtn=Search&_%3Ala=*&_%3Ali=* |
| 00:16.38 | mindjuju | your global search pulls up there |
| 00:17.58 | mindjuju | jm, is that providing more of what you need or is it just junk? |
| 00:18.18 | jm_ul|w | cool... didn't know about that site. sorry i got you away from helping design |
| 00:18.25 | jm_ul|w | no... looks like good info |
| 00:18.30 | jm_ul|w | thx |
| 00:18.32 | mindjuju | awesome! |
| 00:19.41 | jm_ul|w | ah... dinner time. bbl. |
| 00:22.38 | bigdog_ut | design5279, also look at using -lavcopts too with the options |
| 00:22.59 | design5279 | thanks bigdog_ut |
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| 18:22.53 | mindjuju | so datawolf, i just read over that email where you mentioned that you joined the 19d when you were sure that Gore was going to win. But that was a year before 9/11. Had Gore won, do you think Gore would have deployed to Aghanistan? What about Iraq? |
| 18:52.43 | jm_ul|w | mindjuju: what would be your guess about Gore? Do you think we'd be in Iraq if he were president? I think he would have received the same intel Bush did....I'm just not sure what he would have done though. |
| 18:53.40 | mindjuju | see, that's what I wonder. If Gore was in line with Clinton politics, I think we would have gone. Case in point, send albright to Ohio state to drum up support for going into Iraq |
| 18:54.04 | mindjuju | back in '98 |
| 18:54.20 | dataw0lf | we wouldn't have gone into Iraq with Gore. |
| 18:54.24 | dataw0lf | Afghanistan? probably. |
| 18:54.34 | dataw0lf | maybe we could've stayed in Afghanistan to finish the job. |
| 18:54.39 | mindjuju | see, that's what I thought you'd say, but wasn't sure |
| 18:55.00 | dataw0lf | My unit, one of three active attack pathfinder units, was pulled out of Afghanistan to prep for Iraq. |
| 18:55.43 | dataw0lf | one of the units that probably had the best chances of catching Bin Laden. Pulled. Out. |
| 18:56.14 | mindjuju | hang on super quick, just got called into a impromptu meeting, but here is an article i was just reading to refresh my memory on Albright and Ohio State |
| 18:56.14 | dataw0lf | Saddamn, evil? Yeah. But he kept a tight lid on the religious fanatics. |
| 18:56.15 | mindjuju | http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9802/18/town.meeting.folo/ |
| 18:56.47 | mindjuju | Clinton, I feel, wanted to go into Iraq on the same grounds as Bush did |
| 18:56.54 | dataw0lf | heh. |
| 18:57.00 | dataw0lf | You don't understand politics, me thinks. |
| 18:57.03 | dataw0lf | Clinton did that alot. |
| 18:57.10 | dataw0lf | (threw around war sentiments) |
| 18:57.42 | dataw0lf | there's a huge difference between 'drumming up support' (a 3,000 person audience?), and actually going to war. |
| 18:58.00 | dataw0lf | And going to war when your mission is to kick some Bin Laden ass (which I was, and still am, down with) |
| 18:58.38 | dataw0lf | in fact, going to war with a country which had no citizens whatsoever involved in the 9/11 attacks. |
| 18:59.05 | dataw0lf | ties between Saddam and Bin Laden? there always was more intel about ties between the Bush family and Bin Laden (indirectly, which is more than we could get between Saddam and Bin Laden) |
| 19:11.49 | mindjuju | k, i'm back, sorry |
| 19:13.24 | mindjuju | k, so up until now i've been talking the clinton strategy of going to universities to win popular support for action in Iraq at face value (ie receive approval to go into Iraq and attack) your saying there was an alterior motive. what would that motive be? |
| 19:14.06 | dataw0lf | not an alterior motive, it was what it looked like, a pandering to the hawks 'Yeah, yeah, we want to go over and kick some ass' |
| 19:14.10 | dataw0lf | but they don't. |
| 19:14.16 | dataw0lf | Politicians have to play both sides of the fence. |
| 19:14.24 | dataw0lf | and look like they're giving support to both as well. |
| 19:14.47 | dataw0lf | Regardless of what Clinton might've said and wanted, we didn't go into a full scale ground invasion during his tenure. |
| 19:14.57 | dataw0lf | that is called 'keeping a balance' |
| 19:16.01 | dataw0lf | then we get good ole Bush to come in with his questionable military background to take us to war. yippee. |
| 19:16.24 | dataw0lf | and american soldiers die while chickenhawks sit over here and say it's worth the cost. |
| 19:16.26 | dataw0lf | yeah right. |
| 19:16.58 | mindjuju | see, but that is where you start to cross back into albright's comments about the costs of war in Iraq |
| 19:17.17 | mindjuju | Albright responded, "No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators." |
| 19:17.33 | mindjuju | "As a former university professor," Albright said, "I suggest, sir, that you study carefully what American foreign policy is. Every one of the violations has been pointed out on what is not right, and I would be happy to spend 50 minutes with you after the forum to explain it." |
| 19:18.03 | dataw0lf | you're talking speeches here. |
| 19:18.12 | dataw0lf | did we go into Iraq because of that? |
| 19:18.28 | dataw0lf | No, we went into Iraq because the Bush administration found a good way to sucker people into it (Afghanistan) and took it. |
| 19:18.29 | mindjuju | was it a lack of desire that prevented us or some other thing |
| 19:18.46 | dataw0lf | not a lack of desire, a lack of stupidity. |
| 19:19.09 | dataw0lf | ground invasion and occupancy?? |
| 19:19.12 | dataw0lf | in the middle east? |
| 19:19.15 | dataw0lf | are you out of your mind? |
| 19:19.32 | mindjuju | the alternative being...? |
| 19:19.57 | dataw0lf | either 1) stay on track and find Bin Laden 2) or if you have to go into Iraq, bomb them. bomb them some more. bomb them again. and again. |
| 19:20.00 | dataw0lf | do not occupy. |
| 19:20.06 | dataw0lf | do not invade on the ground. |
| 19:20.46 | mindjuju | in my limited non military understanding, i was always told that it is impossible to win a war without ground troops |
| 19:21.18 | dataw0lf | no? we won the war against Japan specifically without a ground invasion. |
| 19:21.23 | dataw0lf | (the whole reasoning behind the nuclear bomb) |
| 19:21.51 | mindjuju | we had actually been punishing the japanese before the bombs were dropped |
| 19:21.58 | mindjuju | we pushed them to okinawa, if you recall |
| 19:22.04 | dataw0lf | but we didn't invade. |
| 19:22.08 | dataw0lf | Japan. |
| 19:22.18 | mindjuju | we kicked them off the islands they had and had them surrounded to Japan |
| 19:22.28 | dataw0lf | do you know the definition of invade? |
| 19:22.32 | dataw0lf | you have to kick at their borders. |
| 19:22.42 | dataw0lf | clear out the way for battleships and stuff. |
| 19:22.48 | dataw0lf | you don't INVADE though. |
| 19:22.48 | mindjuju | right, we didn't invade the Japanese island, but we had fought their troops |
| 19:22.54 | dataw0lf | sure we fought their troops. |
| 19:23.11 | dataw0lf | it's completely different in an invasion, and extended occupancy. |
| 19:23.17 | dataw0lf | especially in the middle east. |
| 19:23.20 | dataw0lf | insurgents. |
| 19:23.24 | dataw0lf | more soldiers dying. |
| 19:23.33 | dataw0lf | we had no need to go into Iraq. |
| 19:23.37 | dataw0lf | we provoked a fight with Saddam. |
| 19:23.50 | dataw0lf | now, after we get tired of the insurgents whittling away at us? we'll leave. |
| 19:24.02 | dataw0lf | maybe with some crap democracy setup that won't last a couple years, maybe in chaos. |
| 19:25.13 | mindjuju | k, so just that i understand your point better, you feel it would have been better to level saddam's palaces, etc, and leave the gov in ruins and then leave, then to bomb and then invade |
| 19:25.22 | mindjuju | invade/occupy |
| 19:25.22 | dataw0lf | then, of course, we'll do the good ole American Way of Setting Up a Dictator We Approve Of (covertly) |
| 19:25.36 | dataw0lf | and then, you know, Fight The Dictator We Supported |
| 19:25.39 | dataw0lf | (tm) |
| 19:25.47 | dataw0lf | yes, I do. |
| 19:25.49 | dataw0lf | leave em in ruins. |
| 19:25.58 | dataw0lf | bomb the whole damn country. |
| 19:26.04 | mindjuju | k, so gov in chaos, anarchy, hmmm... that doesn't seem like a good idea |
| 19:26.21 | mindjuju | what's to stop the hussien's party from regrouping |
| 19:26.40 | dataw0lf | so you believe that we're going to create a great, democratic country out of Iraq? |
| 19:27.10 | mindjuju | The only way this will fly is if we set up an enviroment for the Iraqis to develop self government |
| 19:27.16 | dataw0lf | it doesn't seem like a good idea to throw down a large number of our troops in the middle of the Middle East, and basically light fires under every islamic extremist's ass within 1,000 miles to come and sneak in to get a crack at us. |
| 19:27.21 | dataw0lf | that's a better idea, you're right. |
| 19:27.29 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: oh, yeah, 'self government' |
| 19:27.34 | dataw0lf | what country do you think we live in? |
| 19:27.37 | dataw0lf | I'm a patriot. |
| 19:27.39 | dataw0lf | I love the USA. |
| 19:27.47 | dataw0lf | but we don't let governments support themselves if they have anything for us. |
| 19:27.51 | dataw0lf | we don't let go very easily. |
| 19:28.05 | mindjuju | we seemed to let go just fine in Japan |
| 19:28.06 | dataw0lf | and we won't let go unless we give the Ok and have leaders firmly in our grasp. |
| 19:28.16 | mindjuju | we took over, we rebuilt them, they seem ok to me |
| 19:28.36 | mindjuju | in fact, they seem to be kicking our butts on production and industrialization |
| 19:28.44 | mindjuju | what am i missing here? |
| 19:29.02 | dataw0lf | 1) Japan is not a middle eastern country surrounded by other middle eastern countries 2) Japan is basically an extension of America nowadays 3) Japan still hasn't gotten any sort of military from us (under our control, hint hint) |
| 19:29.34 | dataw0lf | and we have kept Japan under our thumb. Extensively. |
| 19:29.56 | dataw0lf | besides, for every 'successful' country you can name that's been dealt with like that, I can name ten. |
| 19:30.07 | mindjuju | k, so while I offered specifics of how they our kicking our butts, i'd like you to specific how we keep them under our thumb? |
| 19:30.11 | mindjuju | by not following kyoto? |
| 19:30.44 | mindjuju | what leverage are we muscling on Japan? |
| 19:30.56 | dataw0lf | no, no, by integrating their culture with ours; by insuring that they have no military clout; by using them to spur our economy on several times in the past 2 or 3 decades. |
| 19:31.20 | dataw0lf | it isn't muscling with Japan. There are certainly more subtle ways to keep someone under your thumb. |
| 19:31.23 | mindjuju | no military is what the allies stipulated from the surrender in WWII |
| 19:31.29 | dataw0lf | Allies meaning us. |
| 19:31.42 | mindjuju | yeah, Allies vs Axis |
| 19:31.46 | dataw0lf | And Britian, which is the 51st state. |
| 19:31.52 | dataw0lf | no, I meant Allies meaning USA |
| 19:32.36 | dataw0lf | anyways, I don't know how this got started on WW2, but if you want to support the war in Iraq, you can borrow my flack jacket and kevlar. Have fun pal. |
| 19:33.37 | mindjuju | truth told, your jacket is prolly a little to small for me. i'd have to find one a little bigger. |
| 19:34.41 | dataw0lf | I'm sure you could find one on the corpse of a slain soldier that'd fit. |
| 19:35.20 | dataw0lf | I mean, why stop at sending soldiers to a incredibly inane and dangerous war? steal their equipment too. |
| 19:35.37 | dataw0lf | besides, he won't be using it anymore. |
| 19:37.08 | mindjuju | you know, we don't stand on even ground in this point of the discussion. you've been there and I haven't. And anything i see from here is going to sound trite compared to your experience. |
| 19:37.18 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 19:37.23 | dataw0lf | I know, that's why I love arguing it. |
| 19:37.26 | mindjuju | On the other hand, I think I'll let albright argue my case further |
| 19:37.44 | dataw0lf | Albright didn't go to war either. |
| 19:37.53 | mindjuju | "What we are doing," replied Albright, "is so that you all can sleep at night. I am very proud of what we are doing. We are the greatest nation in the world ..." |
| 19:37.53 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.53 | mindjuju | She stopped as the audience rose and applauded. |
| 19:37.53 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.53 | mindjuju | "... and what we are doing," she resumed, "is being the indispensable nation, willing to make the world safe for our children and grandchildren, and for nations who follow the rules." |
| 19:38.27 | dataw0lf | oh yeah! occupancy of a country filled with insurgents! that's safe++ |
| 19:39.00 | dataw0lf | I'd change that to: |
| 19:39.47 | dataw0lf | " ... and what we're doing," she snarled, "is being the bully on the playground of the world, repeating history in an endless cycle until someone finally realizes why we're so f*cking stupid." |
| 19:44.26 | dataw0lf | but we will. |
| 19:44.28 | dataw0lf | repeat history that is. |
| 19:44.30 | dataw0lf | Oh well. |
| 19:47.05 | mindjuju | k, so you've got me on the historical. every single western country from Charlemaine down has failed in taking over the Middle East. The real problem being shifting from a Theocracy to a Democracy. Which is why I argue that we have to build an enviroment where they can build self government. |
| 19:47.20 | dataw0lf | which I agree, to an extent. |
| 19:47.33 | dataw0lf | I don't think that anybody is going to be able to force the Iraqi people to Democracy. |
| 19:47.45 | mindjuju | course though when you have several countries operating in a particular government fashion, and then have 1 key country in the middle change, all the other countries become scared, ie France in 1780s |
| 19:48.07 | mindjuju | all countries had kings in europe then france shifted and made the kingdoms really edgey. |
| 19:48.10 | dataw0lf | and, besides, Iraq wasn't a theocracy. |
| 19:48.16 | dataw0lf | Saddam had tight rein on religion. |
| 19:48.37 | dataw0lf | that's why, during the early 70s and on, Iraq was considered the most 'Western' of the middle east countries. |
| 19:49.15 | mindjuju | While I can't speak to that point strongly, I'd still argue generally, that 90+% of the middle east is Muslim and that since their culture is so intertwined with their religion, it is a theocracy |
| 19:50.22 | mindjuju | i thought we were sitting nicer with Iran until whatshisface took power during Carter's administration |
| 19:50.51 | dataw0lf | Saddam gave more power to women, removed Islamic law from the government, etc. |
| 19:51.00 | dataw0lf | that's what tipped off the whole Iranian - Iraqi thing. |
| 19:51.35 | dataw0lf | because the leader of the coup (Iran) hated Saddam because of Saddam's policies. |
| 19:51.47 | dataw0lf | and then we gave Iraq weapons to fight the Iranians. |
| 19:51.56 | dataw0lf | which they used against us when the annexed Kuwait. |
| 19:52.31 | dataw0lf | (which the only reason we stepped in for THAT is because Kuwait was sitting on 10% of the world's oil; Kuwait was the staunchest ally of the Soviet's, and one of the most fundamentalist of the middle eastern countries) |
| 19:53.47 | dataw0lf | huh. that's weird. didn't we give weapons to Afghanistan too? |
| 19:53.50 | dataw0lf | *boggle* |
| 19:54.07 | dataw0lf | so you're saying... we give weapons to dictatorships and various guerilla/insurgent groups. |
| 19:54.09 | dataw0lf | then. |
| 19:54.11 | dataw0lf | we have to fight them. |
| 19:54.21 | dataw0lf | because we're retarded and like to step into everybody's business |
| 19:54.48 | mindjuju | so you'd argue that we should return to isolationists like before WWII? |
| 19:55.03 | dataw0lf | not necessarily, but we shouldn't police up things. |
| 19:55.17 | dataw0lf | or take the moral high ground when we're supporting certain (evil) dictators against other (evil) dictators |
| 19:55.44 | mindjuju | which would be? |
| 19:55.53 | dataw0lf | which would be what? |
| 19:56.02 | dataw0lf | the dictators? |
| 19:56.08 | dataw0lf | or the moral high ground? |
| 19:56.17 | mindjuju | yup, in the case of the dictators, what is the moral high ground |
| 19:56.20 | mindjuju | in your senario |
| 19:56.46 | dataw0lf | the moral high ground we take is 'oh, we invaded Iraq, they're going to be doing so much better. Let's set them up with a western style government! Yay!' |
| 19:56.51 | dataw0lf | (two years later) |
| 19:57.55 | mindjuju | no, actually, when you were speaking rhetorically and you said "or take the moral high ground when we're supporting certain (evil) dictators against other (evil) dictators" what would that moral high ground be in that instance? |
| 19:57.59 | dataw0lf | "Iraq has always been evil, we can't explain how Dictator X got those US marked weapons. It's a mystery!' |
| 19:58.08 | mindjuju | do you side with one dictator to fight the other, if both are bad? |
| 19:58.34 | jm_ul|w | this might be a sick way of looking at it but wouldn't giving weapons to a smaller country to fend off another wacko country's dictator be better than letting that wacko take control of more land and resources? keeping potential enemies in smaller groups so that they'd be easier (not easy) to handle if it came down to some conflict with the USA directly. |
| 19:58.38 | dataw0lf | you don't side with either, because dictators are, by nature, greedy men, and if you help them out, and they succeed, you're going to end up dealing with the one you supported in the first place. |
| 19:59.06 | dataw0lf | jm_ul|w: Yeah, it'd be a great idea, if we didn't constantly have the weapons we gave turned against us. |
| 20:04.22 | dataw0lf | I just don't see how a responsible American with a conscience can vote 'for' war, without any prior knowledge of war, never killed anyone etc, and be able to sleep at night. |
| 20:05.08 | dataw0lf | I honestly believed that my first combat situation would magically turn me Republican or something. |
| 20:05.17 | mindjuju | so shift into a more Roman style of Government where only Citizens vote, and only those who were/are in the army are Citizens? |
| 20:05.37 | dataw0lf | I say required military service. |
| 20:05.48 | dataw0lf | otherwise, vote like a hippy, cuz you are one. |
| 20:06.11 | mindjuju | datawolf, somehow I think that is asking a bit much of combat. is there anything that could turn you conservative? |
| 20:06.18 | mindjuju | prolly not |
| 20:06.51 | dataw0lf | yeah, true. |
| 20:06.53 | dataw0lf | I'm a hawkchicken |
| 20:06.54 | mindjuju | 'cept a wife, a couple of kids and paying into a social security system you know won't be around when you get around to use it |
| 20:07.12 | mindjuju | that, if anything, might make you conservative |
| 20:07.17 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 20:07.21 | dataw0lf | I think social security is terrible. |
| 20:07.22 | dataw0lf | and taxes. |
| 20:07.23 | dataw0lf | I hate em. |
| 20:07.34 | jm_ul|w | now this is just a question....I only ask this because the media was my only source.... did you see any american made weapons, being used against our troops? the media, like I said was my only source, showed russian and chinese weapons. |
| 20:07.35 | dataw0lf | but I'm not willing to sell my soul to get a couple extra bucks back on my check. |
| 20:07.37 | mindjuju | we'll hey! we agree on that! |
| 20:07.46 | dataw0lf | jm_ul|w: In afghanistan I did. |
| 20:08.38 | dataw0lf | I never got body detail in Iraq though, so I never got a good look, but I never saw any m16s or anything similar in the Iraqi regime. |
| 20:09.08 | dataw0lf | that's the good thing making rank in the army, once you make e4 you don't have to clean up bodies. |
| 20:09.12 | mindjuju | a lot of countries have military service as part of the normal course of things. China, for one. Israel, if not mistaken. |
| 20:09.19 | dataw0lf | Germany. |
| 20:09.31 | dataw0lf | (for males anyway) |
| 20:10.03 | mindjuju | i wonder how that would change things? Foreign Policy? Domestic Policy? |
| 20:10.58 | dataw0lf | alot of 'hawks' would be pissing their pants, that's for sure. |
| 20:11.40 | dataw0lf | the general argument nowadays is 'oh, they're volunteers, so I feel justified and not guilty for sending them to X combat situation' |
| 20:11.41 | mindjuju | i'd agree with that. |
| 20:12.04 | dataw0lf | yeah, sure, we're volunteers, but we trust in the American people to send us on the right path. |
| 20:12.14 | dataw0lf | and the American people, sad to say, failed us. |
| 20:12.31 | mindjuju | see, that's what i meant with how would foreign policy change if we had mandatory military service? |
| 20:12.50 | dataw0lf | I'd say for the better, certainly. |
| 20:13.05 | dataw0lf | better being 'stop invading countries' |
| 20:13.20 | dataw0lf | I wish I could've been in Afghanistan for like 4 more months. |
| 20:14.59 | jm_ul|w | where did they put you after they pulled you out...Kuwait? |
| 20:15.10 | dataw0lf | heh. |
| 20:15.14 | dataw0lf | nope. |
| 20:15.14 | jm_ul|w | can't say |
| 20:15.17 | jm_ul|w | ? |
| 20:15.17 | dataw0lf | Germany for a month. |
| 20:15.19 | dataw0lf | Then Turkey. |
| 20:15.22 | jm_ul|w | oh |
| 20:15.22 | dataw0lf | then... somewhere. |
| 20:15.27 | dataw0lf | then participated in main invasion. |
| 20:16.09 | jm_ul|w | how many media types did you see during the main invasion? |
| 20:16.24 | jm_ul|w | lots? |
| 20:16.48 | dataw0lf | not many, we were attack pathfinders. e.g., drop us somewhere in front of the front lines, we secure x, setup LZ, then frogjump the lines again |
| 20:17.04 | dataw0lf | since most of our ops are 'black' when they go out, we didn't have much media. |
| 20:18.06 | jm_ul|w | so you weren't part of that main convoy into baghdad that they kept showing on CNN? |
| 20:18.34 | jm_ul|w | ...and other channels. |
| 20:18.38 | dataw0lf | heh, no, we were ahead of them, securing LZs for our choppers. |
| 20:23.39 | jm_ul|w | excuse my ignorance but do attack pathfinders have to have airborne training? not that is the training of all training...just wondering if you have to be trained to jump out of a perfectly good plane to do your job? |
| 20:25.01 | dataw0lf | Only 11B attack pathfinders. |
| 20:25.23 | dataw0lf | 19D attack pathfinders (like I was) only have to be Air Assault (as opposed to Air Assault and Airborne) |
| 20:25.54 | jm_ul|w | is there a website that explains all this? I like reading about stuff like that. |
| 20:26.19 | jm_ul|w | official site preferred. |
| 20:28.05 | jm_ul|w | i found this but don't know if I should trust a .com site http://www.combatreform.com/attackpathfinders.htm |
| 20:29.22 | dataw0lf | http://www.calguard.ca.gov/128qm/pathfinder.htm |
| 20:29.44 | dataw0lf | that .com site isn't too bad. |
| 20:29.48 | jm_ul|w | cool... was looking for .gov or .mil |
| 20:29.49 | dataw0lf | despite the crap design. |
| 20:29.51 | jm_ul|w | heh |
| 20:30.23 | dataw0lf | but, yeah, 11Bs are usually the airborne soldiers, 19ds (since we're cav scouts, duh) are air assault. |
| 20:30.43 | dataw0lf | although if I'd stayed in I definitely would've gone to jump school. But jump school is supposed to be like vacation. |
| 20:30.49 | dataw0lf | compared to other schools, anyways. |
| 20:30.58 | jm_ul|w | i dislike animated gifs too. |
| 20:31.28 | jm_ul|w | vacation? not as hard or you don't really have to work up that much sweat? |
| 20:32.22 | dataw0lf | hehe, nah it's just an Air Assault thing, we like to make fun of Airborne because their training is supposedly easier. |
| 20:32.48 | jm_ul|w | oh ok |
| 20:33.42 | com4 | ANGELINA JOLIE HAS BIG LIPS! |
| 20:36.40 | eco|w | I H8 U AND i H8 THE BANDS U LIK! |
| 20:37.37 | tierra | Politics makes me soooo horny... |
| 20:37.44 | dataw0lf | ^5 |
| 20:37.47 | dataw0lf | all around |
| 20:43.02 | com4 | haha |
| 20:43.04 | com4 | that worked out rather well |
| 20:51.17 | com4 | http://qdb.zzq.org/?597 |
| 21:04.47 | jm_ul|w | dataw0lf: is there any particular python repository that would have a good selection that you could suggest? I'm browsing but not finding anything all that great. Not trying to find anything in specific...just a good repository....or two. |
| 21:09.23 | dataw0lf | Vaults of Parnassus: http://www.vex.net/parnassus/ |
| 21:09.25 | dataw0lf | and PyPi |
| 21:09.30 | dataw0lf | python.org/PyPi |
| 21:09.40 | dataw0lf | maybe it's lowercase, I'm unsure. |
| 21:14.24 | jm_ul|w | thx |
| 21:20.11 | dataw0lf | np |
| 22:23.03 | *** join/#uphpu Utah_Dave (~boucha@c-24-10-150-48.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:53.08 | Utah_Dave | hey, weren't they going to make the nameserver updates faster? So you don't have to wait 2 days? |
| 23:45.24 | macnewbold | my nameserver updates have never taken more than 24 hrs |
| 23:53.18 | macnewbold | usually before 6am the next day, the change has taken effect |
| 23:57.14 | com4 | they did on com and net i think |
| 23:57.17 | com4 | org is diffrent |
| 23:57.29 | com4 | but my .org updates don't take that long either |