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| 14:56.32 | macnewbold | ~lament Monday |
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| 15:30.55 | bigdog_ut | wow...not alot of peps in here |
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| 16:08.48 | mindjuju | mac, got a sec? |
| 16:10.37 | mindjuju | nevermind, i found it |
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| 16:32.08 | kryp71k|w | <fishmonger> Personally, I prefer to usr Perl, I only use PHP when my boss insists, PHP is 10yrs behind Perl in its development. |
| 16:32.12 | kryp71k|w | @_@ |
| 16:37.07 | macnewbold | sorry, mindjuju - my thing makes noise when you say my nick, but due to heavy overloading of the term/name "mac", it is silent :) |
| 16:37.52 | macnewbold | well if PHP in 10 years is going to look like perl, I'd better get ready to move on to Python or Ruby... ;) |
| 16:38.02 | macnewbold | I'm a big fan of code I can read |
| 16:38.34 | dataw0lf | well, it's kinda funny, because PHP evolved from Perl. |
| 16:38.44 | dataw0lf | I mean they both suck. PHP just slightly less so. |
| 16:39.03 | macnewbold | ~slap dataw0lf |
| 16:39.03 | jbot | ACTION slaps dataw0lf, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 16:39.15 | macnewbold | they don't both suck |
| 16:39.27 | macnewbold | they both have their domains where they're extremely useful |
| 16:39.40 | macnewbold | perl just happens to make it really easy to write unreadable code, |
| 16:39.40 | dataw0lf | stop being diplomatic. |
| 16:39.41 | dataw0lf | they suck. |
| 16:40.01 | macnewbold | where PHP happens to make it really easy for non-programmers to write really bad code |
| 16:40.22 | macnewbold | they both get their respective jobs done well |
| 16:40.27 | dataw0lf | no, no, no. |
| 16:40.34 | dataw0lf | they're the best solution at hand currently. |
| 16:40.39 | macnewbold | if a language sucks, in general, I don't use it |
| 16:40.40 | dataw0lf | it doesn't make them unsuck |
| 16:40.44 | macnewbold | case and point: Java |
| 16:41.02 | dataw0lf | well, Java sucks more than PHP and Perl, true, true. |
| 16:43.16 | kryp71k|w | motherfucker! ... I've got to ask this question cuz I can't find it anywhere ... how can I validate the existance of a URL? if I try to use something like if (!fopen($URL,"r") .. I still get errors on occasion, and we're not using php5, so it just sucks. :( |
| 16:43.55 | kryp71k|w | and file_exists is only for 5 too |
| 16:44.04 | dataw0lf | watch your language. |
| 16:44.08 | kryp71k|w | srry |
| 16:46.19 | dataw0lf | you've tried fsockopen() ? |
| 16:46.41 | kryp71k|w | negative ... I'll chex it out. |
| 16:46.55 | kryp71k|w | :D thnx |
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| 17:00.48 | kryp71k|w | hmmm .. that didn't work, but it's not the code, apparently PHP wasn't configured correctly, at least that's the error I'm getting |
| 17:01.23 | kryp71k|w | optikal : fix it! :D |
| 17:12.15 | macnewbold | if your php is in safe mode or something, you won't be able to open urls |
| 17:12.33 | macnewbold | I think there's also one other setting that affects opening urls specifically |
| 17:12.59 | kryp71k|w | well, they open ... like half the time |
| 17:13.13 | kryp71k|w | you have to enter the URL like 2-3 times before it works. |
| 17:17.10 | dataw0lf | what's fsockopen returning? |
| 17:18.52 | kryp71k|w | unable to connect to http://www.creationtribe.com:80 (Unable to find the socket transport "http" - did you forget to enable it when you configured PHP?) |
| 17:20.33 | kryp71k|w | fopen() works pretty well, but if I use it as a parameter in an if statement for error detection, I still get its default error output. can't I redirect the error output, or nullify it? |
| 17:24.29 | dataw0lf | sure |
| 17:24.30 | dataw0lf | @ |
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| 17:28.01 | optikal | kryp71k|w: We're running on 5, suckeh. |
| 17:28.16 | kryp71k|w | true dis? when did we upgrade? |
| 17:28.28 | optikal | o_O |
| 17:28.37 | optikal | Awhile ago. |
| 17:28.49 | dataw0lf | wow. |
| 17:29.01 | kryp71k|w | well dang, I thought we were 4.3-ish |
| 17:29.18 | optikal | Naah, run a phpinfo() |
| 17:29.19 | dataw0lf | you should be glad you never went to war kryp71k|w , you would've been one of the first ones' shot. |
| 17:29.32 | dataw0lf | 'but, wait, I thought we were in Australia??' |
| 17:30.00 | kryp71k|w | prolly |
| 17:30.03 | optikal | However, not sure why fsockopen isn't work.. from what I read, that error is due to no OpenSSL.. which I we have also, but that problem is likely you. |
| 17:30.10 | kryp71k|w | I'd get picked off the line real fast! |
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| 18:04.38 | toxs | anyone know the postgres equivalent of "\d table_name" via pg terminal that would work via php? |
| 18:05.56 | mindjuju | toxs, your best bet is gettin' hold of bigdog, he seems to know all things postgres |
| 18:06.50 | toxs | he must be in a meeting |
| 18:06.57 | toxs | or lunch |
| 18:59.28 | Utah_Dave | datawolf: can I ask you a linux question? |
| 19:00.46 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: g'head. |
| 19:02.27 | Utah_Dave | I have an old laptop that I want to use as a web/ftp server for personal use on my home network. |
| 19:02.50 | dataw0lf | k |
| 19:02.59 | Utah_Dave | run things like apache-php-mysql- maybe even subversion. |
| 19:03.06 | Utah_Dave | just for my own personal use |
| 19:03.08 | dataw0lf | k |
| 19:03.21 | Utah_Dave | is it possible to strip down ubuntu? |
| 19:03.25 | dataw0lf | yes. |
| 19:03.37 | Utah_Dave | or would it be easier to use puppy linux or something like that |
| 19:03.40 | dataw0lf | in the Hoary install, the first choice you get is : 'default install or server install' |
| 19:03.47 | dataw0lf | server install will be stripped down. |
| 19:03.53 | dataw0lf | (without GUI and related tools, etc) |
| 19:04.08 | Utah_Dave | do you think that will run with only 40 megs of ram? |
| 19:04.26 | dataw0lf | whew |
| 19:04.35 | dataw0lf | I guess you'll find out. |
| 19:05.15 | Utah_Dave | all right. I guess I'll give it a try. I'll let you know how it goes |
| 19:05.35 | Utah_Dave | if not, do you know of some other stripped down distro that might work? |
| 19:06.24 | dataw0lf | well, Debian sarge is purty small. |
| 19:07.32 | Utah_Dave | hmm, I'll try that too. |
| 19:07.35 | Utah_Dave | Thanks a lot |
| 19:07.58 | dataw0lf | yup. |
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| 19:51.43 | macnewbold | Utah_Dave: the "minimal" freebsd install would work well for you too, I bet |
| 20:19.53 | kryp71k|w | dataw0lf ... those aren't supposed to be turntable needles on your page are they?! They LOOK a lot like needles ... you deceiver you! |
| 20:20.28 | dataw0lf | I didn't drawer it, my boy did. |
| 20:20.45 | kryp71k|w | dope ... either way, it's some dope shit. |
| 20:20.51 | kryp71k|w | i mean stuff |
| 20:20.52 | kryp71k|w | :D |
| 20:21.09 | kryp71k|w | gah! .. I'm just not gonna talk in this channel |
| 20:28.08 | dataw0lf | now to get that in the other 2 channels. |
| 20:43.05 | jm_ul|w | bigdog_ut: you ever looked at Jython? someone from a mailing list suggested I look into it just because I had a couple of school classes in Java |
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| 21:53.32 | bigdog_ut | yeah i have |
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| 22:13.32 | bigdog_ut | jm_ul|w, did you have a question? |
| 22:14.39 | mindjuju | toxs did |
| 22:14.44 | mindjuju | here is the question |
| 22:14.44 | mindjuju | anyone know the postgres equivalent of "\d table_name" via pg terminal that would work via php? |
| 22:15.04 | mindjuju | oh, but he's not in irc anymore |
| 22:17.58 | bigdog_ut | there is not one command but many that you would need to run |
| 22:19.13 | bigdog_ut | the easiest way i do it is to use the dbx functions |
| 22:20.59 | bigdog_ut | jm_ul|w, did you have a question on jython? |
| 22:33.00 | jm_ul|w | jython => good? would the only reason to use it is for java programmers to transition into python quickly? |
| 22:33.12 | bigdog_ut | no not really |
| 22:33.20 | jm_ul|w | when would you use it? |
| 22:33.40 | bigdog_ut | jython just allows python users to run python on jvms where python interpreter is not installed or cannot run |
| 22:34.18 | bigdog_ut | if you can install a python interpreter and you can a jvm then i would use jython |
| 22:34.29 | bigdog_ut | if you can run python interpreter then i would run that |
| 22:34.59 | bigdog_ut | not if you are really familiar with java and netbeans and some other java specs and you want to learn python then it might be okay |
| 22:35.12 | bigdog_ut | but it would be easier to stay in the python interpreter and learn that way |
| 22:35.22 | bigdog_ut | plus some jvms dont support jython |
| 22:35.36 | bigdog_ut | like kaffe (technically not a jvm though) |
| 22:36.45 | bigdog_ut | also not that jython gives you access to the java api |
| 22:38.21 | jm_ul|w | ok...sounds like a better plan for me then...stick with python.....learn jython later....maybe. |
| 22:39.53 | bigdog_ut | unless you are familiar with java then dont do jython |
| 22:40.00 | bigdog_ut | jython is for java/python developers |
| 22:40.26 | bigdog_ut | when you know both then i would do jython |
| 22:41.04 | bigdog_ut | i would recommend python and/or java |
| 22:41.12 | bigdog_ut | do them separate |
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| 22:48.57 | design5279 | Anyone here versed in mpeg conversions? What program(s) can I use to convert an mpg file I have to something well-suited for a powerpoint presentation for one of my execs? Anything open source possibly? The only progam I know of for converting stuff is sorenson sqeeze (I've just heard that's what other people have used), but the trial version leaves an icky watermark and it costs $200 and I just have this one little 4:28 clip... |
| 22:50.58 | bigdog_ut | design5279, what type of mpg...video & audio? |
| 22:52.22 | design5279 | video, news clips converted from VHS (by someone else, so I don't know much about the details) |
| 22:52.40 | bigdog_ut | and you want to put that into a presentation file? |
| 22:53.01 | bigdog_ut | what type of format do you want to convert too? |
| 22:54.06 | bigdog_ut | mplayer is really good for doing conversions |
| 22:54.49 | design5279 | to whatever format will work in powerpoint (office xp) and playback with windows media player 9 (something most of our execs are likely to have) |
| 22:54.55 | design5279 | mplayer... let me check it out |
| 22:55.16 | bigdog_ut | design5279, most mpg will work if it is not a different codec |
| 22:55.21 | bigdog_ut | like divx |
| 22:55.46 | bigdog_ut | which is mpeg4 or 5 cant remember...but if you are mpeg2 or mpeg3 then you should be okay with wmp |
| 22:56.45 | bigdog_ut | u can use mplayer to do the conversion to windows types however, i think you might be safe with mpg |
| 22:59.00 | zardinuk | its probably divx encoded, I'd just install the necessary codec |
| 22:59.27 | bigdog_ut | what is divx encoded? |
| 23:00.05 | zardinuk | www.divx.com ? |
| 23:00.35 | zardinuk | install the decoder |
| 23:00.38 | bigdog_ut | divx is an mpeg4 variation |
| 23:00.54 | zardinuk | it's very popular |
| 23:00.55 | bigdog_ut | yeah...but not many wmp will go out and grab it for ya |
| 23:01.13 | bigdog_ut | not sure if that is the best thing for a presentation |
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| 23:03.05 | zardinuk | .mpg and .avi don't accurately describe what type of file it is... they're both open standards |
| 23:03.44 | zardinuk | I think most players don't even pay any attention to the file extension anyways |
| 23:04.48 | bigdog_ut | not really they find out what codec to use from the file contents |
| 23:06.57 | design5279 | how can I tell what it's encoded with? |
| 23:07.11 | bigdog_ut | run it with mplayer and it will tell you |
| 23:08.00 | bigdog_ut | cool thing with mplayer is that you can force it to use a certain codec which is nice |
| 23:08.21 | bigdog_ut | design5279, the program to do the conversion is mencoder from the mplayer guys |
| 23:08.59 | mindjuju | what version powerpoint you using? 2k3 or 2k? |
| 23:10.04 | design5279 | office xp at work... which I think is 2002 (?) |
| 23:11.10 | bigdog_ut | y xp is 2002 |
| 23:13.36 | mindjuju | the reason i ask is because I'm 80% positive that if video is used on the slide, then it has to be played through windows media player, if he wants to use mplayer, he'll prolly have to place an object on the powerpoint slide that activates the mplayer app |
| 23:13.42 | mindjuju | something you'll have to weigh |
| 23:13.50 | design5279 | ... downloading the windows version of mplayer (I know I know, I need to install linux!, but I'm slow at it) |
| 23:14.28 | design5279 | yeah, I think bigdog is saying to use mplayer to convert the codec thought, right bigdog_ut? |
| 23:14.59 | bigdog_ut | mencoder to convert the codec |
| 23:15.29 | design5279 | mencoder, got it |
| 23:15.46 | bigdog_ut | you could convert it to wmv9 if you want |
| 23:18.28 | bigdog_ut | for example, here is what you could do: mencoder -ovc lavc <filename>.mpg -oac mp3lame -o <filename>.avi |
| 23:19.02 | design5279 | unfortunately, I have windows at work. I can see an mplayer windows release, but can I get mencoder on windows? |
| 23:19.16 | bigdog_ut | this would take the file "filename.mpg" and video encode it with libav and do the audio with mp3lame |
| 23:19.18 | design5279 | avi is wmv9? |
| 23:19.40 | bigdog_ut | no avi is a mpeg4 variation |
| 23:21.01 | bigdog_ut | actually that is not all that true |
| 23:21.15 | bigdog_ut | avi is a format of itself and there is an mpeg extension to it |
| 23:22.49 | mindjuju | here is a quick article on codecs, video formats and powerpoint. pretty good run through. http://www.indezine.com/products/powerpoint/ppvideo.html |
| 23:23.19 | mindjuju | sounds like your in good hands with bigdog, just remember though , no matter what format you put the video into, make sure the player has the codec or it won't work |
| 23:23.33 | bigdog_ut | true so true |
| 23:23.38 | mindjuju | s/player/the computer running the show |
| 23:23.45 | design5279 | thanks guys! you are super helpful |
| 23:24.02 | bigdog_ut | and dont let mencoder scare you |
| 23:24.11 | bigdog_ut | it is a powerful tool |
| 23:24.36 | mindjuju | i'm going to have to check out that mencoder, i need something from time to time and wind up having to push video to pinnacle studio 9 to convert |
| 23:25.01 | design5279 | what about compression? (kind of an aside) but I heard sorensen squeeze is the best program for compressing video for web, have you guys used it? |
| 23:25.13 | bigdog_ut | no |
| 23:25.27 | mindjuju | truth told, i'm going to say compression no, for powerpoint |
| 23:25.29 | bigdog_ut | but mencoder can get almost all formats so you can do some cool stuff |
| 23:25.35 | mindjuju | why compress? it's on a CD, right? |
| 23:25.37 | bigdog_ut | like video with ogg audio |
| 23:26.08 | mindjuju | if video going through internet, then yeah, compress, but if you have the video clip local, and it ain't going anywhere, that's another variable you have to worry about |
| 23:26.14 | design5279 | this particular presentation will be on CD or laptop... I was just curious about compression |
| 23:26.42 | bigdog_ut | really depends on what you want and what you have access too |
| 23:27.00 | bigdog_ut | you can do ogg with high compression and do some video with high |
| 23:27.12 | bigdog_ut | the problem is that you need a player that can support the combination |
| 23:27.45 | design5279 | seems like there are too d*%$ many codecs! |
| 23:27.53 | bigdog_ut | oh yeah |
| 23:28.06 | bigdog_ut | i do alot of divx5 with ogg from dvds |
| 23:28.16 | bigdog_ut | oh wait..did i say that...for educational purposes |
| 23:28.17 | mindjuju | that article mentioned that there are over 100 codecs for AVI alone |
| 23:28.33 | design5279 | wow |
| 23:29.10 | bigdog_ut | on mine i have 200 different codecs installed with all there own stuff |
| 23:29.16 | mindjuju | actually, bigdog, you and I need to talk. I have a huge dvd library and was thinking of ripping the dvds to a SAN, and then piping the DVDs to my TV through a computer right at the TV |
| 23:29.27 | mindjuju | are you ripping manually or with some prog? |
| 23:29.35 | bigdog_ut | manually |
| 23:29.43 | bigdog_ut | cause i want to know how it is done |
| 23:29.52 | bigdog_ut | the are progs that can do it for me |
| 23:29.58 | bigdog_ut | but i want to know how to do it |
| 23:30.15 | bigdog_ut | for example...doing video first audio second and merging the 2 |
| 23:30.20 | bigdog_ut | that is hard..but cool to know |
| 23:30.27 | mindjuju | yeah, i've read a couple of FAQs and it was saying like 3 passes, yeah |
| 23:30.34 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 23:31.08 | mindjuju | Is there a particular FAQ that you think is the best? |
| 23:31.11 | bigdog_ut | also note that there is a different between divx4 on linux and on windows |
| 23:31.20 | bigdog_ut | i just read the mplayer docs |
| 23:31.28 | bigdog_ut | it has tons of stuff and links to others |
| 23:31.53 | bigdog_ut | i did the divx on linux and tried to play on windows and no worky...go figure |
| 23:32.07 | bigdog_ut | but mplayer will play the windows one |
| 23:32.51 | bigdog_ut | i also want to start using theora |
| 23:32.53 | mindjuju | well, the box next to the TV can be linux, i just have to figure out how to send remote commands to the computer, so if i'm being lazy on the couch, i can surf through the video collection |
| 23:32.55 | bigdog_ut | for video |
| 23:33.11 | bigdog_ut | you need a infrared device |
| 23:33.25 | bigdog_ut | some video cards have them built in |
| 23:33.37 | bigdog_ut | not sure how they work on linux though |
| 23:33.48 | bigdog_ut | actually there are other devices too |
| 23:34.09 | jm_ul|w | mindjuju....seems like mythtv could do something like that.....maybe |
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| 23:34.39 | bigdog_ut | actually that is one of the best solution out there |
| 23:34.45 | mindjuju | see, wouldn't that be cool? having a computer box sitting next to your tv, grabbing your dvds from your SAN? no scratched DVDs, no huge collection to sort through |
| 23:35.06 | bigdog_ut | i have actually talked to some people about it |
| 23:35.11 | bigdog_ut | doing a server in the basement |
| 23:35.27 | bigdog_ut | hooked to a dvd player that you integrate into your linux box |
| 23:35.32 | mindjuju | exactly. I have a dual proc p3 in my basesment just getting dusty |
| 23:35.46 | bigdog_ut | then you have thin clients in the room that have wifi and video cards that go out to the tv |
| 23:35.56 | mindjuju | put in a raid card and tie in several hard drives... POW instant SAN |
| 23:36.02 | bigdog_ut | then you can use touchscreen minis to access the thin client |
| 23:36.11 | bigdog_ut | or a remote device |
| 23:36.42 | bigdog_ut | actaully they have dvd players that can house like 500-1000 dvds so you just need to access them via the server |
| 23:37.08 | mindjuju | that's what i want |
| 23:37.10 | bigdog_ut | yet if you had them all on hd then you can support many streams |
| 23:37.13 | jm_ul|w | house actual dvd's? |
| 23:37.18 | jm_ul|w | or a copy of them? |
| 23:37.19 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 23:37.35 | bigdog_ut | its a dvd carosel |
| 23:37.54 | bigdog_ut | but you are locked into 1 dvd playing at a time |
| 23:38.09 | bigdog_ut | if you copied to hd then you can have as many as the system could handle |
| 23:38.23 | bigdog_ut | but mythtv could support it |
| 23:38.46 | bigdog_ut | the idea is to have the thin clients receive the streams and send them to the tv/monitor |
| 23:39.16 | bigdog_ut | using a nice wifi connection in house you can get some nice bandwidth going |
| 23:39.25 | mindjuju | oops, mythtv.org |
| 23:39.40 | jm_ul|w | my neighbor had mythtv working and it was pretty dang cool |
| 23:40.56 | jm_ul|w | since it was connected to his linux box, seemed like the possibilities would include what you guys are talking about. |
| 23:41.09 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 23:42.02 | bigdog_ut | its actaully really cool |
| 23:42.28 | bigdog_ut | in your server you could ahve your tv card all set up and myth would record off it |
| 23:42.37 | bigdog_ut | then you can broadcast to the thin clients in your house |
| 23:42.57 | jm_ul|w | it was kinda funny though....he had nice equipment but his tv had about a 15 inch screen....his computer monitor was bigger. |
| 23:43.39 | jm_ul|w | he was married. she ended up using it more than him. |
| 23:44.23 | bigdog_ut | the cool thing is that you can do audio, video, pics and other stuff too |
| 23:44.43 | bigdog_ut | so you can sit with the family and look at pictures |
| 23:45.12 | jm_ul|w | yeah, he did say there was a lot more to it.....he didn't really go into detail though |
| 23:46.01 | bigdog_ut | u can add dishtv and directtv too |
| 23:46.11 | bigdog_ut | games too |
| 23:46.44 | bigdog_ut | the cool thing would to use an lvm with it all |
| 23:47.29 | mindjuju | what's lvm? |
| 23:48.03 | bigdog_ut | logical volume management |
| 23:48.14 | bigdog_ut | allows you to add disks to partitions |
| 23:48.24 | bigdog_ut | http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.2 |
| 23:48.50 | bigdog_ut | so as you fill up drives you just add more drives and add them to the lvm |
| 23:55.50 | design5279 | first try with mencoder didn't work, seems to have only captured the audio (output avi is much smaller than the mpg original) |
| 23:56.16 | bigdog_ut | what was the command you used? |
| 23:56.45 | design5279 | the one you gave: mencoder -ovc lavc Flurizan.mpg -oac mp3lame -o Flurizan.avi |
| 23:57.19 | design5279 | I'm still figuring out the codec thing, is "-ovc lavc" setting the codec? |
| 23:57.21 | bigdog_ut | and you played Flurizan.avi with mplayer to see what it did |
| 23:57.49 | design5279 | ... no, double clicked and it found wmp... just a min |
| 23:59.17 | design5279 | mplayer works... now I will try to figure out how to convert it to a wmp9-happy file |
| 23:59.31 | jm_ul|w | ok... if i want google to include a dollar sign as part of the search, what do I need to type? I'm doing a search but it's not including the $ and it's within double quotes. |