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| 16:12.58 | bigdog_ut | God bless the pancreas |
| 16:15.43 | mindjuju | i'm partial to my spleen myself |
| 16:16.03 | dataw0lf | hey you windows peoples. |
| 16:16.20 | dataw0lf | I got this laptop here with XP Pro on it, and I was screwing around with it with a projector. |
| 16:16.35 | dataw0lf | and all of a sudden the backlight went out and I have to look really hard to see anything on the screen. |
| 16:16.45 | dataw0lf | I rebooted the machine (the backlight isn't bad; the bios screen looks fine) |
| 16:16.52 | dataw0lf | but once it gets to Windows the backlight goes out again. |
| 16:17.00 | dataw0lf | any settings you know to fix0r this? |
| 16:19.09 | mindjuju | i'd almost say it is the toggle on the laptop for monitor to project. I think i'm my laptop it's function f8 |
| 16:19.15 | mindjuju | but you've probably already tried that |
| 16:20.05 | mindjuju | there isn't anything really in display to allow the modification of the backlight that I know of, and if it was, it would be in the display properties, advanced prioperties and part of the driver advanced functionality |
| 16:22.03 | dataw0lf | yeah, I checked all those (my eyes really hurt) |
| 16:22.46 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: I have a laptop that used to do that whenever it would get a little warmed up |
| 16:22.51 | macnewbold | (a toshiba satellite) |
| 16:23.06 | macnewbold | and it was caused by the inverter that powers the LCD getting goofy |
| 16:23.13 | macnewbold | they said it isn't uncommon |
| 16:23.22 | macnewbold | mine was still under extended warranty, |
| 16:23.25 | macnewbold | but YMMV |
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| 19:01.30 | mindjuju | ... in light of recent events in London, I've decided to post things slightly humorus ... (video clips) |
| 19:01.37 | mindjuju | the greatest video clip of all time / the motorcycle and the reporter |
| 19:01.37 | mindjuju | http://ka5cvh.com/downloads/reporter.mpa |
| 19:02.06 | mindjuju | Why you shouldn't stand near a race track |
| 19:02.07 | mindjuju | http://www.mike-w.clara.net/cl0ps/www.video-clips.co.uk_rally.mpg |
| 19:02.07 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.07 | mindjuju | why you shouldn't jump near a pool |
| 19:02.07 | mindjuju | http://www.mike-w.clara.net/cl0ps/www.video-clips.co.uk_pooljump.mpg |
| 19:02.19 | mindjuju | why you should stop planning to be a kickboxer - not for the sqimish |
| 19:02.19 | mindjuju | http://www.mike-w.clara.net/cl0ps/www.video-clips.co.uk_kickbreak.mpg |
| 19:02.19 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.19 | mindjuju | the All your base are belong to us Video |
| 19:02.19 | mindjuju | http://www.planettribes.com/allyourbase/AYB2.swf |
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| 19:34.09 | mindjuju | jm, you did miss the news already, but i'll repost the most important thing |
| 19:34.25 | mindjuju | 1st, get some friends around ya |
| 19:34.33 | toxs | http://www.mike-w.clara.net/cl0ps/www.video-clips.co.uk_kickbreak.mpg |
| 19:34.33 | mindjuju | 2nd, have the speakers some what low |
| 19:34.38 | mindjuju | http://ka5cvh.com/downloads/reporter.mpa |
| 19:34.43 | mindjuju | nope, has to the motorcycle |
| 19:34.48 | mindjuju | that is the absolute best |
| 19:34.56 | mindjuju | but that kick boxing - yow |
| 19:35.11 | toxs | what format is mpa? |
| 19:35.31 | mindjuju | quicktime viewer will play it |
| 19:35.57 | mindjuju | have you seen it yet, toxs? |
| 19:36.06 | toxs | nope |
| 19:36.17 | mindjuju | i promise, it is so worth seening |
| 19:36.33 | toxs | trying |
| 19:36.35 | mindjuju | you will rewatch at least 20x. not one of those stupid videos where somebody jumps out at ya |
| 19:37.45 | toxs | very nice |
| 19:38.03 | toxs | LOL |
| 19:38.12 | mindjuju | did you get it load? you can't help to think " What the H!!!" |
| 19:38.50 | toxs | got it |
| 19:38.54 | toxs | that is messed up |
| 19:39.40 | mindjuju | i saw it once like 4 years ago, been searching for the same clip since, the only thing i remember was that she is a local reporter doing a spot on a motorcycle supercross in town |
| 19:40.18 | toxs | now she is a deaf reporter |
| 19:40.26 | toxs | and bald |
| 19:40.55 | mindjuju | this is really bad, but if you watch it in slow mo, she's entirely engulfed in flames and her mic is literally on fire |
| 19:44.44 | toxs | oh man |
| 19:44.50 | toxs | that is brutal |
| 19:45.12 | toxs | guess blonds to have more fun |
| 19:45.25 | toxs | s/to/do |
| 19:46.56 | mindjuju | hey if ya have a few more minutes to spare, watch this one |
| 19:46.56 | mindjuju | http://ka5cvh.com/downloads/extreme_crop_dusting.mpeg |
| 19:47.38 | mindjuju | here is the main link for the site if you have a bunch of time to watch vids |
| 19:47.39 | mindjuju | http://ka5cvh.com/downloads/ |
| 19:48.20 | toxs | very impressive |
| 19:49.00 | bigdog_ut | obviously some people do...mindjuju |
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| 19:50.07 | mindjuju | yeah yeah |
| 19:50.12 | mindjuju | i work hard for the money! |
| 19:52.25 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 19:52.32 | bigdog_ut | so you are like in poverty right? |
| 19:52.52 | mindjuju | yeah, compared to your donald trump wages |
| 19:53.10 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 19:53.17 | bigdog_ut | i wish i was making is bank role |
| 19:54.14 | mindjuju | mr gravy train, bmw drivin', robin leech yabberin', 5000sq foot house livin', gucci wearing, computer programmer |
| 19:54.20 | mindjuju | i bet you have armani suits |
| 19:54.27 | bigdog_ut | no not yet |
| 19:54.29 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 19:54.34 | macnewbold | and armani pajamas that he hacks away in all night |
| 19:54.49 | bigdog_ut | i hack naked |
| 19:55.03 | toxs | TMI |
| 19:55.07 | mindjuju | i bet! i bet he has silk slippers too! |
| 19:55.11 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 19:55.13 | macnewbold | ~clue bigdog_ut |
| 19:55.13 | jbot | ACTION fans out Vegas-style a stack of clues for bigdog_ut "Pick one, any one! ...and don't show it to me." |
| 19:55.16 | bigdog_ut | silk sucks |
| 19:55.19 | macnewbold | ~cluebat bigdog_ut |
| 19:55.19 | jbot | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps bigdog_ut. |
| 19:55.28 | macnewbold | ~clue bigdog_ut |
| 19:55.28 | jbot | ACTION fans out Vegas-style a stack of clues for bigdog_ut "Pick one, any one! ...and don't show it to me." |
| 19:55.30 | macnewbold | hm |
| 19:55.32 | macnewbold | ~lart bigdog_ut |
| 19:55.52 | macnewbold | ~lart bigdog_ut again |
| 19:55.58 | macnewbold | ~lart bigdog_ut |
| 19:56.10 | bigdog_ut | while programming...bigdog_ut gives macnewbold |
| 19:56.14 | bigdog_ut | ~fart macnewbold |
| 19:56.14 | jbot | ACTION farts in macnewbold's general direction |
| 19:56.39 | bigdog_ut | that is gucchi style |
| 19:56.44 | bigdog_ut | or wait...gaucho style |
| 19:56.46 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 19:57.00 | mindjuju | i bet your sippin' on courvoisier while you program... man! I wish i was like bigdog! |
| 19:57.12 | bigdog_ut | courvoisier |
| 19:57.13 | bigdog_ut | ? |
| 19:57.17 | bigdog_ut | no...crystal |
| 19:57.40 | bigdog_ut | splashed with some "ice" cubes |
| 19:58.01 | bigdog_ut | urban dictionary ice = diamonds |
| 19:58.29 | bigdog_ut | well when you make 300k a year you can do that stuff |
| 19:58.46 | bigdog_ut | right dataw0lf? |
| 19:59.06 | dataw0lf | I hate you. |
| 19:59.11 | mindjuju | he's still prolly working on that slaptop |
| 19:59.16 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 19:59.30 | bigdog_ut | got my new ubuntu cd here |
| 19:59.40 | dataw0lf | nah, fixing /etc/printcap files in Tru64 now. |
| 20:00.02 | bigdog_ut | keeping my coke from touching the desk |
| 20:00.40 | bigdog_ut | i was reading that there is like 1.5 million ubuntu cds in circ now...that is kinda cool |
| 20:00.47 | bigdog_ut | i got some for a bunch of guys here at work |
| 20:00.48 | dataw0lf | my boss keeps walking by and looking at my dr pepper and mountain dew pyramid in amazement. |
| 20:01.40 | dataw0lf | yup Ubuntu is better than *, if * != Debian |
| 20:01.54 | fungus | I have a coke can tower stacked 3 high, 8 deep, and 7 wide. |
| 20:01.56 | jm_ul|w | volunteer to build one for him as long as he can provide you with full cans/bottles |
| 20:02.32 | bigdog_ut | ive got one in my garage that has like 300+ cans now |
| 20:02.40 | bigdog_ut | it has taken some time though |
| 20:02.55 | dataw0lf | aw, this one only consists of 10 cans. |
| 20:03.03 | dataw0lf | but I started from scratch at 7:30 this morning. |
| 20:03.08 | bigdog_ut | oh damn |
| 20:03.18 | dataw0lf | and my heart feels like it's about to rip itself out of my chest. |
| 20:03.19 | bigdog_ut | in college i was doin a 24pack a day |
| 20:03.20 | dataw0lf | or something. |
| 20:03.43 | bigdog_ut | that was wild times |
| 20:03.51 | bigdog_ut | dp was good stuff |
| 20:03.55 | dataw0lf | *is |
| 20:04.16 | bigdog_ut | it is if you are not doing a 24pack a day |
| 20:04.20 | dataw0lf | so I caved and am just using some good ole blogging software : dataw0lf.org |
| 20:04.24 | dataw0lf | I'm done with CSS. |
| 20:04.45 | dataw0lf | I go into this design phase for a handful of months every two or three years. |
| 20:05.13 | dataw0lf | then I realize how much I suck at it and go back to programming and hax0ring the gibson |
| 20:15.05 | mindjuju | dw, you see that video? |
| 20:15.13 | mindjuju | of the reporter and the motorcycle? |
| 20:16.30 | dataw0lf | negative. |
| 20:16.39 | mindjuju | dude, you have to check it out |
| 20:16.45 | mindjuju | it's like 1 minute log |
| 20:16.51 | mindjuju | s/log/long |
| 20:17.00 | mindjuju | if you don't like it, i'll change my name to mud |
| 20:17.04 | mindjuju | it's that good |
| 20:17.08 | mindjuju | ask toxs |
| 20:17.43 | mindjuju | here is the link, make sure sound is on but low |
| 20:17.44 | mindjuju | http://ka5cvh.com/downloads/reporter.mpa |
| 20:18.09 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, you are using nucleus cms?...oh crap |
| 20:24.12 | dataw0lf | I like it. |
| 20:24.44 | mindjuju | the vid or the cms? |
| 20:25.08 | dataw0lf | nucleus. |
| 20:25.15 | dataw0lf | don't watch video at work. |
| 20:26.45 | scott | where does the fire come from? |
| 20:27.23 | mindjuju | i think they were going for the "cool shot", she's sittin there and a motorcycle jumps by her out of nowhere |
| 20:27.36 | mindjuju | she's doing a segment about a supercross that is going on |
| 20:30.13 | scott | but when the motorcycle comes out of the truck there's an explotion with smoke and fire |
| 20:30.43 | mindjuju | yeah, that's a pyrotechnic |
| 20:32.15 | scott | motocross dudes normally carry pyrotechnics on them and blast out of trucks? |
| 20:32.34 | scott | I guess I just don't understand it if it's supposed to be an accident. |
| 20:45.08 | jm_ul|w | I don't think the guy holding the camera liked her because he kept the camera going on the motorcyclist....rather than dropping it to help her. |
| 21:07.46 | bigdog_ut | look at me...my mic is on fire |
| 21:12.12 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, you around? |
| 21:12.24 | dataw0lf | yes. |
| 21:12.37 | bigdog_ut | u know any good py websites for xchat plugins |
| 21:12.47 | bigdog_ut | like how to write them |
| 21:12.59 | bigdog_ut | just off the top of your head |
| 21:13.03 | bigdog_ut | i can google |
| 21:13.51 | dataw0lf | um, got it bookmarked, eine moment |
| 21:13.56 | dataw0lf | https://moin.conectiva.com.br/XchatPython |
| 21:13.58 | dataw0lf | API reference |
| 21:14.35 | bigdog_ut | graciuos |
| 21:14.47 | dataw0lf | if all else fails: |
| 21:14.49 | dataw0lf | import xchat |
| 21:14.51 | dataw0lf | help(xchat) |
| 21:14.53 | dataw0lf | dir(xchat) |
| 21:14.53 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 21:15.24 | bigdog_ut | yeah...im kinda looking for something else...but i think this can help me for some stuff |
| 21:16.23 | bigdog_ut | but man i do love ipython |
| 21:16.37 | dataw0lf | told yah, it's the bestest ever. |
| 21:16.58 | bigdog_ut | i mean it is killer with the magic functions and introspection |
| 21:23.28 | bigdog_ut | what a great thing -> reencoded = word[i].decode('utf8').encode('iso-8859-1') |
| 21:23.36 | bigdog_ut | now how simple is that |
| 21:24.12 | dataw0lf | yeah, Python is pretty much the bestest language ever. |
| 21:24.24 | dataw0lf | http://dataw0lf.org/index.php?itemid=4 |
| 21:24.34 | dataw0lf | that's some hawt iterator/generator action right there. |
| 21:35.20 | bigdog_ut | kinda cool that xchat has a python shell in it |
| 21:36.53 | dataw0lf | jea |
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| 22:16.15 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 22:16.21 | bigdog_ut | got my python script working |
| 22:16.42 | dataw0lf | easy, ain't it? |
| 22:16.47 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 22:17.01 | bigdog_ut | i like the bonobo bindings |
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| 23:11.46 | lukfugl | ok, question |
| 23:11.59 | lukfugl | I have class A and class B extends A |
| 23:12.11 | lukfugl | A has two methods: foo() and bar() |
| 23:12.29 | lukfugl | two *static* methods, that is (static being the key to the question) |
| 23:12.51 | lukfugl | foo calls bar as part of its execution |
| 23:13.09 | lukfugl | B inherits foo as is, but overrides bar |
| 23:13.47 | lukfugl | if I call B::foo(), A's version of bar gets called from inside foo, rather than B's version (which is what I want) |
| 23:13.53 | lukfugl | how do I work around this? |
| 23:14.05 | lukfugl | I'm using the self::bar() calling syntax |
| 23:15.03 | lukfugl | I figured self would be bound to the calling class (B) but it appears to be bound to the class the method using it is defined in |
| 23:15.35 | lukfugl | is there some other keyword I should use instead of self that will be bound to the calling class? |
| 23:18.28 | macnewbold | hm |
| 23:19.40 | macnewbold | I think if you call it as if it were non-static, it would work |
| 23:19.53 | macnewbold | i.e. $self->bar() instead of self::bar() |
| 23:19.59 | lukfugl | $self? |
| 23:20.00 | macnewbold | because $self is what knows if it's an A or a B |
| 23:20.03 | lukfugl | haven't seen that |
| 23:20.04 | macnewbold | or $this |
| 23:20.07 | macnewbold | or whatever it is |
| 23:20.10 | macnewbold | you know what I mean? |
| 23:20.39 | lukfugl | yeah, except the method is defined static: static function bar() { ... } |
| 23:20.49 | lukfugl | so using $this isn't allowed |
| 23:20.58 | macnewbold | btw, php4 or php5? |
| 23:21.03 | lukfugl | php5 |
| 23:21.07 | macnewbold | hm |
| 23:21.17 | lukfugl | erm, also (and more importantly) foo is static |
| 23:21.31 | lukfugl | that's why I can't use $this->bar |
| 23:21.41 | lukfugl | because I'm invoking foo as B::foo() |
| 23:21.52 | lukfugl | not $b = new B(); $b->foo(); |
| 23:22.47 | macnewbold | ah, great: here's this gem: |
| 23:22.49 | macnewbold | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.55 | macnewbold | that's not what I expected |
| 23:25.02 | macnewbold | hm |
| 23:30.07 | macnewbold | well this is retarded |
| 23:30.25 | macnewbold | it sounds like that is the "correct" behavior, even if that wasn't what you intended |
| 23:30.31 | macnewbold | why is bar static? |
| 23:30.47 | macnewbold | it sounds like it should be dynamic, and you should use the -> to call it from foo() |
| 23:31.01 | macnewbold | lukfugl: some workarounds: |
| 23:31.27 | lukfugl | 'static' means it's independent of a specific instance |
| 23:31.33 | macnewbold | override foo() also, calling a::foo(), and perhaps passing a function pointer or other hint that it should call B::bar() instead of a::bar() |
| 23:31.36 | lukfugl | that is, it's a class method, as opposed to an instance method |
| 23:31.40 | macnewbold | right, I know that |
| 23:32.07 | lukfugl | and foo is static since I need to be able to call it from other static methods |
| 23:32.17 | macnewbold | but if it's independent of a specific instance, then there's no object to get the type from |
| 23:32.28 | macnewbold | so how would it know to call b::bar instead of a::bar? |
| 23:32.43 | lukfugl | macnewbold: but it should still know what class the invocation was boud to |
| 23:32.49 | lukfugl | macnewbold: but it should still know what class the invocation was bound to |
| 23:32.57 | lukfugl | (sorry about the repeat paste) |
| 23:33.15 | macnewbold | another workaround: put a variable in classes A and B that holds what type it is |
| 23:33.28 | macnewbold | have foo() look at that variable to call the right function |
| 23:34.18 | macnewbold | or override foo with something similar but tht calls b::foo() |
| 23:34.23 | lukfugl | what is self, then, but a preprocessor directive to receive the name of the current class |
| 23:34.25 | macnewbold | maybe they shouldn't be static? |
| 23:34.45 | lukfugl | macnewbold: I know my architecture, they should be static |
| 23:34.57 | macnewbold | lukfugl: depends how it defines "current class" - if you're in a::foo(), then self is a, no? |
| 23:35.12 | lukfugl | not necessarily |
| 23:35.23 | macnewbold | even if you called a::foo() by invoking b::foo(), you're still in a::foo() |
| 23:35.48 | lukfugl | I guess I'm just spoiled by ruby |
| 23:35.51 | macnewbold | this sounds like a good question for the php developers, either on a mailing list or in #php, if they're there, |
| 23:36.01 | lukfugl | where class methods are simply instance methods on class objects |
| 23:36.02 | macnewbold | or at least a question for someone who likes OOP in PHP |
| 23:36.04 | macnewbold | :) |
| 23:36.16 | lukfugl | and thus the instance (ie. specific class) is bound to the method appropriately |
| 23:36.25 | macnewbold | maybe this is a PHP bug? |
| 23:36.42 | macnewbold | or maybe they just don't support what you're trying to do? |
| 23:36.50 | lukfugl | macnewbold: whether or not the #php folks would admit it as such (it may be a "feature"), I consider it a bug |
| 23:36.51 | macnewbold | in either case, it sounds like you'll hvae to work around it |
| 23:37.08 | macnewbold | there may be a very good reason why they've chosen it to mean what it means |
| 23:37.11 | macnewbold | that you're just not aware of |
| 23:37.18 | macnewbold | and that doesn't apply in your situation |
| 23:37.35 | macnewbold | if/when you find the answer, let us know :) |
| 23:37.47 | macnewbold | we're all curious now about how/why |
| 23:41.01 | lukfugl | anyways, I need to go home now |
| 23:41.18 | lukfugl | I sent an email to the list, so if you get any additional insights, you can reply there. |
| 23:41.29 | lukfugl | thanks for the suggestions |