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| 03:49.07 | bigdog_ut | wps you around? |
| 03:49.14 | wps | yes |
| 03:49.23 | bigdog_ut | i got that file for you |
| 03:49.58 | wps | which? |
| 03:50.10 | bigdog_ut | eclipse zip file |
| 03:50.14 | wps | k |
| 03:50.17 | bigdog_ut | let me grab the url for you |
| 03:50.19 | wps | how big? |
| 03:50.40 | bigdog_ut | 34M |
| 03:50.59 | bigdog_ut | is that okay? |
| 03:51.44 | wps | should be |
| 03:52.03 | bigdog_ut | kry|w, http://thebigdog.biz/uphpu-eclipse-linux-gtk.zip |
| 03:52.22 | bigdog_ut | man that is the url |
| 03:53.09 | bigdog_ut | if you log into your server and use wget to grab it that will be the fastest way |
| 03:53.17 | wps | :) |
| 03:53.22 | wps | 4% wgetting already |
| 03:58.45 | bigdog_ut | let me know when you got it |
| 03:58.55 | wps | 67% |
| 03:59.06 | bigdog_ut | can you create a link for download for me that i can use with uphpu.org |
| 03:59.16 | bigdog_ut | im going to write up an announcement |
| 03:59.25 | wps | http://uphpu.org/downloads/uphpu-eclipse-linux-gtk.zip |
| 03:59.39 | bigdog_ut | cool |
| 04:00.54 | bigdog_ut | oh and i need to get you the slides i have for the pres too |
| 04:01.12 | wps | for the linux networking one? |
| 04:01.22 | bigdog_ut | y |
| 04:01.29 | bigdog_ut | did josh send you his |
| 04:01.32 | wps | that'd be great |
| 04:01.45 | wps | nope |
| 04:02.04 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 04:02.11 | bigdog_ut | i have both...i need to send them to ya |
| 04:14.18 | bigdog_ut | its up there |
| 04:14.35 | bigdog_ut | wps i got some screen shoots for ya coming |
| 04:15.06 | wps | k |
| 04:15.14 | bigdog_ut | ill send them too ya |
| 04:20.15 | wps | there, a little spice |
| 04:20.29 | bigdog_ut | on the site? |
| 04:20.40 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 04:20.43 | bigdog_ut | real nice |
| 04:21.06 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, where you at? |
| 04:26.24 | *** topic/#uphpu by bigdog_ut -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org | Check out UPHPU Eclipse http://uphpu.org/article.php?story=20050623220028938 |
| 04:26.35 | *** topic/#uphpu by bigdog_ut -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org | Check out UPHPU Eclipse http://uphpu.org/article.php?story=20050623220028938 |
| 04:26.51 | *** topic/#uphpu by bigdog_ut -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org | Check out UPHPU Eclipse http://uphpu.org/article.php?story=20050623220028938 |
| 04:43.23 | wps | bigdog_ut, file transfer done |
| 04:43.35 | wps | nearly an hour ago :) |
| 04:50.51 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 04:50.55 | bigdog_ut | i noticed |
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| 05:23.24 | bigdog_ut | wps...i got the screen shots for ya |
| 05:23.33 | wps | k |
| 05:24.52 | bigdog_ut | http://thebigdog.biz/uphpu-screenshots.zip |
| 05:29.07 | bigdog_ut | i might need to role another eclipse zip file up too |
| 05:34.50 | bigdog_ut | i rolled another eclipse zip file that fixed some stuff...here is the url: http://thebigdog.biz/uphpu-eclipse-linux-gtk.zip |
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| 13:34.37 | dataw0lf | good morning gentlemen |
| 13:34.44 | dataw0lf | ack |
| 13:34.48 | dataw0lf | sorry optikal |
| 13:34.49 | dataw0lf | and ladies |
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| 14:08.31 | macnewbold | morning dataw0lf :) |
| 14:11.44 | dataw0lf | sup bro |
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| 14:22.05 | dataw0lf | bigdog_ut: hey. I'm sure eclipse would rock. |
| 14:22.12 | dataw0lf | if it'd work on my AMD 64 |
| 14:22.24 | toxs | bigdog_ut, is it a big deal to get the uphpu eclipse working on a mac? |
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| 14:23.08 | bigdog_ut | toxs, there are not that many that use mac...but it would be nice...after i do the win32 one |
| 14:23.34 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, ill check into it...not sure why 64 would not work cause of suns support for 64bit |
| 14:24.24 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, but the python and ruby plugins work really good |
| 14:24.47 | bigdog_ut | and the c/c++ plugin is way killer...however, i did not add that one by default |
| 14:25.27 | dataw0lf | well, there have been numerous problems with the 64 bit jre. |
| 14:25.55 | dataw0lf | and I'm sure the plugins do rock, like, if the damn thing would run. |
| 14:26.03 | bigdog_ut | yeah ive heard of those...which confuses me...cause sun has been running 64 for a long time |
| 14:27.00 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, i might have to do a special one for the 64 |
| 14:27.41 | toxs | bigdog_ut : can I swap my plugins dir for yours and get all of the same functionality? |
| 14:27.50 | bigdog_ut | yeah you could |
| 14:27.55 | toxs | cool |
| 14:28.10 | bigdog_ut | you would have to do the plugins and features dir |
| 14:28.18 | bigdog_ut | cause that is kinda what i did |
| 14:28.44 | bigdog_ut | i copied the plugins from mine that are cool into it and removed a bunch that many wont use...like the java ones |
| 14:28.44 | toxs | k |
| 14:32.04 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, i got a amd64 one for you today |
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| 14:33.26 | dataw0lf | bigdog_ut: word. |
| 14:33.48 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 14:34.01 | bigdog_ut | wow and it is smaller too |
| 14:34.04 | bigdog_ut | 24MB |
| 14:36.01 | dataw0lf | you know what? I think I'm using the 32 bit JRE. |
| 14:36.14 | dataw0lf | cuz the 64 bit one was giving me some trouble. |
| 14:36.17 | bigdog_ut | oh not good |
| 14:36.29 | dataw0lf | hey, I got jedit working. |
| 14:37.22 | toxs | bigdog_ut: do some of your plugins require 3.1? |
| 14:37.27 | bigdog_ut | no |
| 14:37.38 | toxs | strange |
| 14:37.40 | bigdog_ut | they work with 3.0.1 or 3.0.2 |
| 14:37.48 | bigdog_ut | toxs, what is the issue? |
| 14:37.54 | toxs | no worky |
| 14:38.02 | bigdog_ut | what are you running? |
| 14:38.07 | bigdog_ut | os, jvm? |
| 14:38.14 | dataw0lf | SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ 2002.657 MHz Bogomips: 3923.96 Mem: 1019/1504M [3||||||4||||] Diskspace: 70.36G Free: 64.12G Procs: 107 Uptime: 37 days 23 mins 50 secs Load: 0.00 0.02 0.04 | Vpenis: 70 cm Screen: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) Screen Resolution: 1024x768 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 29.60G Out: 15.16G |
| 14:38.36 | bigdog_ut | thank you |
| 14:38.49 | toxs | os x 10.4.1 |
| 14:39.09 | bigdog_ut | and you are running the linux-gtk version of uphpu eclipse? |
| 14:39.19 | bigdog_ut | that wont work unless you have the mac version |
| 14:40.08 | toxs | I just copied over the plugins and features |
| 14:40.19 | Utah_Dave | hey datawolf, what was it in your SysInfo that's 70 cm? :0 |
| 14:40.20 | dataw0lf | jsimpson@nist:~/Desktop$ java -version |
| 14:40.20 | dataw0lf | java version "1.5.0_02" |
| 14:40.20 | dataw0lf | Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_02-b09) |
| 14:40.20 | dataw0lf | Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_02-b09, mixed mode, sharing) |
| 14:40.25 | bigdog_ut | toxs, did you do all of them? |
| 14:40.33 | bigdog_ut | that might be the case then |
| 14:40.45 | toxs | renamed my dirs and copied yours |
| 14:41.00 | bigdog_ut | oh dataw0lf i probably would not run the 1.5...is there a 1.4 that you can use |
| 14:41.28 | bigdog_ut | toxs, let me tell you where to get all the plugins...you probably copied over swt plugins that are for linux only |
| 14:41.32 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: the vpenis? |
| 14:46.16 | dataw0lf | I hope you're not jealous of how large my vpenis is. |
| 14:50.33 | dataw0lf | and lookie at that screen resolution. |
| 14:50.41 | dataw0lf | hawt! |
| 14:54.55 | bigdog_ut | im jealous |
| 14:55.29 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 14:55.40 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, almost done bro |
| 14:55.46 | Utah_Dave | what exactly is a vpenis? |
| 14:56.52 | Utah_Dave | or did I just fall for a newbie joke? |
| 14:57.01 | dataw0lf | nah, not really. |
| 14:57.13 | bigdog_ut | u fell hard bro |
| 14:57.21 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 14:59.59 | bigdog_ut | wps did you get those screen shots |
| 15:00.19 | wps | i did |
| 15:00.20 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, http://thebigdog.biz/uphpu-eclipse-linux-gtk-amd64.zip |
| 15:00.30 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, dont say i dont love ya |
| 15:01.02 | bigdog_ut | wps, http://thebigdog.biz/uphpu-eclipse-linux-gtk.zip |
| 15:01.06 | dataw0lf | lessee if it worksies |
| 15:01.07 | bigdog_ut | that is a newer one |
| 15:01.32 | bigdog_ut | and ill do one for mac and one for winblowz |
| 15:01.43 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, i got that one down to 31M |
| 15:07.53 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold might like -> http://bsd.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/24/0042231&from=rss |
| 15:09.59 | macnewbold | nice |
| 15:20.42 | bigdog_ut | http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/06/09/1413209&from=rss |
| 15:21.42 | bigdog_ut | http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/74/42/ |
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| 15:32.07 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, how did that one work |
| 15:32.22 | dataw0lf | crashed on me. |
| 15:32.29 | bigdog_ut | the new one |
| 15:32.33 | dataw0lf | I'll just wait until I get my home workstations up again |
| 15:32.35 | dataw0lf | yeah, it crashed on me. |
| 15:32.47 | bigdog_ut | wow that is weird |
| 15:39.19 | bigdog_ut | toxs, how did that one work? |
| 15:39.30 | toxs | just finished downloading |
| 15:39.47 | bigdog_ut | wps, http://thebigdog.biz/uphpu-eclipse-macosx.zip |
| 15:39.52 | bigdog_ut | wps, http://thebigdog.biz/uphpu-eclipse-win32.zip |
| 15:40.26 | wps | bigdog_ut, 494 |
| 15:40.27 | wps | 404 |
| 15:40.35 | toxs | works like very well |
| 15:40.40 | wps | 404 on the mac linlk |
| 15:40.41 | wps | link |
| 15:40.45 | toxs | works well |
| 15:40.47 | wps | (dang, I can't type this morning |
| 15:40.48 | bigdog_ut | toxs is that the one i gave you? |
| 15:41.16 | Utah_Dave | bigdog, how do we install the windows version? |
| 15:41.17 | toxs | lhttp://thebigdog.biz/uphpu-eclipse-macosx.tar.gz |
| 15:41.23 | toxs | http://thebigdog.biz/uphpu-eclipse-macosx.tar.gz |
| 15:41.26 | bigdog_ut | ups |
| 15:41.42 | bigdog_ut | Utah_Dave, just unzip and run the eclipse.exe inside |
| 15:41.50 | bigdog_ut | you can create a desktop icon from it is you like |
| 15:42.09 | bigdog_ut | Utah_Dave, it does not have an installer |
| 15:42.27 | Utah_Dave | ok, should I uninstall the version of Eclipse I already have? I'm using the php plugin from sourceforge |
| 15:42.44 | bigdog_ut | no...you can just put it in another directory |
| 15:42.57 | Utah_Dave | ok, thanks |
| 15:42.59 | bigdog_ut | and if you like it then you can add the php plugin to the new one |
| 15:43.16 | Utah_Dave | ok. |
| 15:43.26 | Utah_Dave | is this a php plugin you put together? |
| 15:43.39 | bigdog_ut | no |
| 15:43.49 | bigdog_ut | i am working on one know that |
| 15:43.59 | bigdog_ut | in a few months it might be done |
| 15:44.08 | Utah_Dave | sweet |
| 15:44.35 | bigdog_ut | it is going to be like the ruby and python one |
| 15:44.49 | bigdog_ut | i dont like the php one 2 much cause it only works on windows |
| 15:45.14 | bigdog_ut | but you can do pretty much any language with eclipse |
| 15:45.24 | bigdog_ut | except java cause i took that out |
| 15:45.27 | bigdog_ut | for dataw0lf |
| 15:46.08 | bigdog_ut | the colorer plugin i put in there can handle most any language |
| 15:46.11 | bigdog_ut | it is really nice |
| 15:46.44 | bigdog_ut | wps and toxs let me know how the osx run |
| 15:46.59 | bigdog_ut | Utah_Dave, let me know how the win32 one runs |
| 15:48.52 | toxs | bigdog_ut, it works good. I am going to add a few more plugins and it will be perfect |
| 15:49.08 | bigdog_ut | jsmith, wait one sec |
| 15:49.18 | bigdog_ut | i got a new one if you are on linux |
| 15:49.21 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: I'd be happy to -- I've gotta run to a meeting. |
| 15:50.02 | wps | bigdog_ut, give my the link to the mac archive again, please |
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| 15:50.16 | bigdog_ut | http://thebigdog.biz/uphpu-eclipse-macosx.tar.gz |
| 15:50.27 | bigdog_ut | here they are all |
| 15:50.56 | bigdog_ut | amd64 http://thebigdog.biz/uphp-eclipse-linux-gtk-amd64.zip |
| 15:51.11 | bigdog_ut | macosx - http://thebigdog.biz/uphpu-eclipse-macosx.tar.gz |
| 15:51.24 | bigdog_ut | linux - http://thebigdog.biz/uphpu-eclipse-linux-gtk.zip |
| 15:51.38 | bigdog_ut | win32 - http://thebigdog.biz/uphpu-eclipse-win32.zip |
| 15:52.02 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: where's the freebsd version? |
| 15:52.20 | bigdog_ut | the linux-gtk should work |
| 15:53.11 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Your connection must be getting hammered. |
| 15:53.42 | bigdog_ut | yeah...i need like a t3 |
| 15:54.15 | dataw0lf | let's start a business just so we can justify getting a t3 to our selves. |
| 15:54.20 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Can you push it to uphpu.org, and then have people hammer on that? |
| 15:54.31 | jsmith | dataw0lf: And a few PRI lines to provide VoIP |
| 15:54.33 | bigdog_ut | wps can grab the files and then put them there |
| 15:54.38 | bigdog_ut | hell ya |
| 15:54.41 | dataw0lf | jsmith: true dat. |
| 15:54.51 | toxs | anyone on utopia or iProvo? |
| 15:55.48 | bigdog_ut | i shoudl have pushed them to my main server |
| 15:56.16 | bigdog_ut | jsmith let me put the linux one up there for ya |
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| 15:56.37 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Thanks... |
| 15:56.58 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 15:58.44 | bigdog_ut | 1 minute jsmith |
| 16:00.46 | bigdog_ut | wps, can you give me access to the announcement i wrote..i cant edit it |
| 16:02.04 | bigdog_ut | jsmith - http://venticon.com/uphpu-eclipse-linux-gtk.zip |
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| 16:09.47 | bigdog_ut | jsmith, did that one work for ya? |
| 16:09.53 | bigdog_ut | ~wake wps |
| 16:09.54 | jbot | wps: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 16:30.44 | bigdog_ut | good read -> http://security.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/06/08/135232&from=rss |
| 16:31.34 | dataw0lf | jea, hping is hawt. |
| 16:31.39 | bigdog_ut | y |
| 16:31.58 | dataw0lf | hping + netstat + tcpdump is all yah need. |
| 16:32.51 | bigdog_ut | my favorite is hping2 |
| 16:33.07 | bigdog_ut | and running this: hping2 -1 -a www.fbi.gov <host> |
| 16:33.36 | bigdog_ut | just for kicks |
| 16:34.29 | jm_ul|w | where are the audio files posted for the meetings? I'm looking around on uphpu.org and I'm not seeing them...so far. |
| 16:34.44 | dataw0lf | they got lost during transfer, unfortunately. |
| 16:36.11 | jm_ul|w | oh =| |
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| 16:44.08 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf you might like -> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2005-06-24-007-26-NW-DB-DP |
| 16:49.08 | dataw0lf | once again, Ubuntu owns all. Cept for Debian. |
| 16:55.26 | jm_ul|w | i'm not familiar with that distribution. is Ubuntu a good distro or is it like lindows or whatever its called now. |
| 16:55.38 | bigdog_ut | like lindows |
| 16:55.59 | dataw0lf | Ubuntu is designed and programmed by some of the greatest minds in the world. |
| 16:56.17 | dataw0lf | and it's a Debian desktop distro. You can't beat it. |
| 17:00.11 | macnewbold | yeah you can. FreeBSD |
| 17:00.43 | bigdog_ut | heaven > gentoo > freebsd > ubuntu > hell |
| 17:00.49 | bigdog_ut | heaven < gentoo > freebsd > ubuntu > hell |
| 17:01.59 | dataw0lf | jm_ul|w: I wouldn't take advice from any of these guys, they're all certifiable. |
| 17:02.37 | dataw0lf | the Ubuntu crowd here outweighs any other crowd, and I am their leader. |
| 17:02.55 | dataw0lf | myself, cyclone, kry|w, optikal, and xilchy all use the superness of Ubuntu. |
| 17:03.15 | dataw0lf | why? because we're better than all of you!1!ONE! |
| 17:06.20 | kry|w | UBUNTU!!1! |
| 17:08.00 | jm_ul|w | dataw0lf: what os do you run on your workstation.... home and work? |
| 17:08.07 | dataw0lf | Ubuntu and Ubuntu |
| 17:08.11 | bigdog_ut | ucraptu |
| 17:08.46 | jm_ul|w | heh.... bigdog_ut: what do you run at home and work? |
| 17:08.46 | dataw0lf | shuddup, ricer. I did not give ye permission to speak. |
| 17:08.56 | dataw0lf | Gentoo. cuz he's a dirty ricer. |
| 17:09.18 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, is mad cause he can be cool like the bigdog |
| 17:09.35 | dataw0lf | yeah, sometimes I sink low to bigdog_ut's cool level, and it angers me. |
| 17:09.56 | dataw0lf | oi, what an apostrophe and a t can do to a phrase. |
| 17:10.00 | dataw0lf | a missing one, rather. |
| 17:10.04 | dataw0lf | s/one/two |
| 17:10.15 | dataw0lf | s/bigdog_ut/someone cool |
| 17:10.19 | dataw0lf | s/gentoo/anything else |
| 17:10.40 | bigdog_ut | s/dataw0lf/gentoo lover/g |
| 17:10.57 | bigdog_ut | jm_ul|w, that is all you need to know |
| 17:11.29 | dataw0lf | Yo, suckas! I gots the mad hookz upz on sum speed wit my Gentoo. I m a mad hax0r cuz I know what C is and can halfway read a Makefile, yo! |
| 17:11.50 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 17:11.56 | dataw0lf | whew. |
| 17:12.06 | dataw0lf | what happened? I felt something dark and slimy crawling in my brain. |
| 17:12.19 | bigdog_ut | let me clear that out |
| 17:12.22 | bigdog_ut | ~fart dataw0lf |
| 17:12.22 | jbot | ACTION farts in dataw0lf's general direction |
| 17:13.06 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 17:13.21 | jm_ul|w | i tried gentoo once but it didn't like something on my motherboard and would freeze during the install. |
| 17:13.43 | dataw0lf | halfway through? |
| 17:13.48 | bigdog_ut | i tried ubuntu and it made me sterile |
| 17:13.49 | dataw0lf | i.e., the second day? |
| 17:14.16 | dataw0lf | I tried Gentoo, realized it was a watered down BSD for teenage ricer kids, and promptly removed the partition. |
| 17:14.16 | fungus | really? i gotta switch to ubuntu then. |
| 17:14.47 | bigdog_ut | then i switched to gentoo |
| 17:15.03 | bigdog_ut | now when people ask me how long you been married...i reply 4 kids ago |
| 17:15.18 | dataw0lf | Debian > Ubuntu > BSD > Slackware > ...................... > Gentoo |
| 17:15.32 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 17:15.37 | fungus | if ubuntu == sterilitiy then ubuntu is for me. |
| 17:15.49 | bigdog_ut | if you follow the stdin to stdout...that makes sense |
| 17:15.49 | dataw0lf | actually, Ubuntu == cool, it definitely isn't for you. |
| 17:15.52 | dataw0lf | oooh, burn! |
| 17:15.53 | dataw0lf | ;) |
| 17:16.03 | jm_ul|w | yeah....something on my motherboard disagreed with it..... because I don't know how to install it without a high speed connection I haven't ever tried it again....n a dialup at home right now =( |
| 17:16.04 | dataw0lf | bigdog_ut: that was math, foo' |
| 17:16.19 | bigdog_ut | dude you hate math |
| 17:16.29 | bigdog_ut | its all 'bout the bash |
| 17:16.29 | dataw0lf | jm_ul|w: seriously, I don't think anyone would really argue the fact that Ubuntu is great as a desktop OS, especially for newbies. |
| 17:16.50 | dataw0lf | oh, if it's all about the bash den... find . -name '*gentoo*' | xargs rm -fr |
| 17:17.12 | bigdog_ut | ctrl+alt+delete < ubuntu |
| 17:17.55 | bigdog_ut | ubuntu comes with the option "turbo" button on the desktop like the 486 did |
| 17:17.58 | jm_ul|w | slackware was the first distro i ever installed....couldn't ever get my modem to work with it so I tried red hat |
| 17:17.59 | dataw0lf | jm_ul|w: plus, it'll give you a good introduction to one of the better 'production' Linux distros: Debian. |
| 17:18.20 | dataw0lf | bigdog_ut: yeah, that was my addition, for an easy transition for Gentoo guys. |
| 17:18.30 | dataw0lf | 'OMGZ IT CAN GO FASTER WIT DA TURBO BUTTONZ' |
| 17:18.39 | bigdog_ut | rlol |
| 17:18.50 | bigdog_ut | jm_ul|w, ubuntu is good for the n00bie |
| 17:18.59 | bigdog_ut | and dataw0lf is the n00bie god |
| 17:19.11 | dataw0lf | jm_ul|w: I think Gentoo is good for someone who already knows Linux, and just wants a good workstation distro. |
| 17:19.19 | dataw0lf | I don't believe in Gentoo for production servers. |
| 17:19.34 | bigdog_ut | depends...if you know what you are doing it is okay |
| 17:19.35 | jm_ul|w | well.... i'm no haxor |
| 17:19.36 | dataw0lf | bigdog_ut: yup, and you worship me. |
| 17:20.10 | dataw0lf | you crossed the line, buddy. |
| 17:20.21 | dataw0lf | calling me a noob! SIR! I AM OFFENDED! |
| 17:20.32 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 17:21.45 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, man that pydev plugin rocks |
| 17:22.13 | bigdog_ut | shows you deprecated modules |
| 17:23.57 | bigdog_ut | pylint integration is great |
| 17:24.17 | dataw0lf | jea, I got some pylint integrations with my Komodo and SPE. |
| 17:24.54 | jm_ul|w | dataw0lf: do you use an ide for phython or do you just use emacs or vi or some other text editor? |
| 17:24.59 | jm_ul|w | python |
| 17:25.03 | jm_ul|w | heh |
| 17:25.05 | dataw0lf | ^^^ see above |
| 17:25.15 | dataw0lf | Komodo for my Windows lappy, SPE for Linux, right now. |
| 17:25.29 | bigdog_ut | and soon to be uphpu-eclipse |
| 17:25.31 | dataw0lf | trying out various Python IDEs. I use vim often, but I need something with a better range of tools. |
| 17:25.32 | jm_ul|w | ah... didn't know those were ide's |
| 17:26.02 | dataw0lf | yeah, Komodo is a commercial IDE, SPE is a free IDE with some pretty good stuff. |
| 17:26.03 | jm_ul|w | <---not familiar with Komodo or SPE |
| 17:26.18 | dataw0lf | you a python hacker, jm_ul|w ? |
| 17:26.48 | jm_ul|w | no but from the articles I keep reading, I'd like to learn it |
| 17:27.01 | bigdog_ut | drpython is good too |
| 17:27.13 | dataw0lf | ugh, not a fan of drpython, to be honest, I thought it was really ugly. |
| 17:27.18 | dataw0lf | but then again... KDE, correct? |
| 17:27.37 | bigdog_ut | wxpython actually |
| 17:27.41 | dataw0lf | jm_ul|w: feel free to discuss and contribute to the Python Phlyte branch. |
| 17:27.54 | bigdog_ut | and scintilla for the text stuff |
| 17:28.04 | dataw0lf | jm_ul|w: I'd be happy to help you along if you wish to dip your feet in the water. |
| 17:28.14 | dataw0lf | bigdog_ut: maybe I'm thinking of something else. |
| 17:28.35 | jm_ul|w | well...if I knew what to do I would (not knowledgable enough to do anything right now) |
| 17:28.37 | dataw0lf | I remember not liking it. |
| 17:29.13 | dataw0lf | jm_ul|w: feel free to come to a URAPUG meeting, and/or attach yourself to me during Phlyte meetings for some learnings, if you wish. |
| 17:29.50 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: pshaw, you know I know that they're all user submitted, foo'! ;) |
| 17:29.52 | jm_ul|w | Actually I live in Colorado which is why I was interested in the audio files of the meetings |
| 17:29.57 | dataw0lf | ah. |
| 17:30.06 | dataw0lf | that's right, I remember. |
| 17:30.19 | dataw0lf | byteofpython.info |
| 17:30.23 | dataw0lf | diveintopython.org |
| 17:30.33 | dataw0lf | some good, free, intro books for python. |
| 17:30.39 | jm_ul|w | cool |
| 17:30.46 | dataw0lf | if you're newer to programming, byteofpython.info would probably be the best place to start. |
| 17:32.09 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: I wasn't pointing it out for you, but for the unwashed security n00bs |
| 17:32.12 | macnewbold | :) |
| 17:32.16 | jm_ul|w | yes, I'm newer to programming. I've had 2 classes on Java and one in C++ before but that was 4-5 years ago...but I remember some of the basics like loops, functions |
| 17:32.29 | jm_ul|w | etc |
| 17:32.38 | dataw0lf | jm_ul|w: word. Let's hope we can cure you of any lingering Java symptoms ;) |
| 17:32.45 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: jea, I know. ;) |
| 17:33.08 | macnewbold | it's pretty easy to not realize that people can post their own fabricated forms to your site, or that they can fabricate cookies that they send to your site |
| 17:33.53 | dataw0lf | yeah, I'm surprised at how many people don't realize that POST is just as insecure as GET. |
| 17:34.28 | dataw0lf | well. |
| 17:34.37 | dataw0lf | POST takes a tiny bit more knowledge. |
| 17:34.41 | jm_ul|w | what is the secure way since I'm reading over that now? or is there not a short answer to that question? |
| 17:35.04 | jsmith | jm_ul|w: Validate, validate, and validate. |
| 17:35.07 | dataw0lf | properly cleansing your variables. |
| 17:36.02 | jsmith | dataw0lf: "cleansing" is too nice of a word... more like spindle, mutilate, and scrub 'til they're raw... |
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| 17:36.13 | dataw0lf | jsmith: you obviously don't take showers like me! ;) |
| 17:36.35 | jsmith | dataw0lf: I don't want to know what you do in the shower, thanks... |
| 17:36.45 | dataw0lf | :( |
| 17:37.55 | dataw0lf | Yes. |
| 17:38.04 | dataw0lf | (I do suffer from a mild form of insanity) |
| 17:38.51 | dataw0lf | anyways. |
| 17:39.01 | dataw0lf | jm_ul|w: what we mean is type casting, reg exs on strings, etc. |
| 17:39.22 | dataw0lf | you have to know exactly what you want when you receive an external variable |
| 17:39.41 | dataw0lf | and then you 'validate' it by checking what you KNOW you want with what you actually get. |
| 17:40.00 | jsmith | And watch out for XSS, SQL injection, etc. |
| 17:40.04 | dataw0lf | indeed. |
| 17:41.16 | dataw0lf | jm_ul|w: people can pass a string through an external variable that will alter your SQL query (sql injection) |
| 17:41.51 | dataw0lf | http://www.unixwiz.net/techtips/sql-injection.html |
| 17:42.15 | toxs | http://phpsec.org/projects/guide/ |
| 17:42.58 | dataw0lf | where's a good XSS tutorial... |
| 17:43.29 | dataw0lf | jm_ul|w: XSS stands for Cross Site Scripting (XSS is preferred rather than CSS for obvious reasons) |
| 17:43.31 | dataw0lf | http://webmonkey.wired.com/webmonkey/00/18/index3a.html |
| 17:43.57 | dataw0lf | like jsmith said, it's all about validation (I like 'cleansing' better, makes me feel like a member of the Inquisition) |
| 17:44.18 | dataw0lf | I SHALL CLEANSE YE HEATHENS! |
| 17:44.58 | jm_ul|w | dataw0lf: is HTMLSpecialChars() effective? |
| 17:45.52 | dataw0lf | to an extent. |
| 17:45.54 | dataw0lf | so is strip_tags. |
| 17:46.01 | dataw0lf | but really, you need to wrap those functions in your own. |
| 17:46.20 | dataw0lf | or just roll your own. |
| 17:46.29 | toxs | htmlentities is good too |
| 17:47.48 | dataw0lf | speaking of which.. |
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| 17:47.53 | dataw0lf | phlyte people see #phlyte |
| 17:47.53 | jm_ul|w | cool.... bookmarked all those url's. will look over them a little later. thx for all the references everyone |
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| 17:54.54 | scott | when I have a string "06/24/2005" what do I have to do to that to put it in MySQL DATE column? |
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| 18:00.16 | mindjuju | is that string being generated by the date() command in PHP or is it generated in some other method? |
| 18:00.37 | mindjuju | cause if PHP, you can format for MySQL which likes it YYYY-MM-DD |
| 18:01.31 | mindjuju | if the string isn't being generated by PHP date(), then you'll have to format the string to work with MySQL |
| 18:03.20 | toxs | try that now |
| 18:03.26 | toxs | oops wrong window |
| 18:09.58 | scott | it's being inserted in on a form |
| 18:10.16 | mindjuju | scott, i wrote you somethin' |
| 18:10.17 | mindjuju | <? |
| 18:10.17 | mindjuju | $yourdatestring = "06/24/2005"; |
| 18:10.17 | mindjuju | $datepieces = explode("/", $yourdatestring); |
| 18:10.17 | mindjuju | $mysqlfriendlydate = $datepieces[2]."-".$datepieces[0]."-".$datepieces[1]; |
| 18:10.18 | mindjuju | echo ($mysqlfriendlydate); |
| 18:10.20 | mindjuju | ?> |
| 18:10.48 | mindjuju | so where i am creating a string called yourdatestring, obviously you'll delete that line cause as you mentioned, it is being created by a form |
| 18:11.14 | mindjuju | the output is the string $mysqlfriendlydate |
| 18:12.06 | mindjuju | i'm not sure if there is a prettier way to do it, though, but that code does work |
| 18:12.44 | scott | someone in #php gave me this, which dos exactly the same thing |
| 18:12.45 | scott | list($m,$d,$y) = explode('/', $dateduephp); $datedue = $y.$m.$d; |
| 18:13.19 | toxs | echo date('Y-m-d', strtotime($yourdatestring)); |
| 18:13.27 | mindjuju | well good! we are both using explode! that makes me feel better |
| 18:13.36 | mindjuju | yeah, that is the way to do it |
| 18:14.03 | mindjuju | we are actually doing the same thing, excet the other is structured slightly differently and that one you got from php is on 1 line where mine is on 2 |
| 18:14.19 | mindjuju | either way, it'll fix the date structure |
| 18:15.47 | scott | thanks guys |
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| 18:20.50 | macnewbold | toxs' solution will work for many date formats, which is good, though it's a little slower |
| 18:21.15 | macnewbold | the #php one makes one without dashes, which is fine with mysql, just like what mindjuju did |
| 18:22.24 | toxs | macnewbold: slower == .0003 ms |
| 18:24.25 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 18:24.38 | macnewbold | yeah, like I said: "a little slower" :) |
| 18:24.47 | dataw0lf | good call! |
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| 18:47.37 | mindjuju | you know you guys, i've been thinking about a meeting topic. what if we write a database and an application that draws on that database where the application is a series of benchmarks. we each have access to different databases and OSs, we could run the database/benchmark and comeback and report on how our OS/database performed. then we could do something on database performance enhancements? |
| 18:49.51 | jm_ul|w | i wonder how ubuntu would do vs gentoo ;-) |
| 18:50.14 | mindjuju | see, wouldn't that benchmark be cool to know? |
| 18:50.17 | jm_ul|w | ok ... sorry I did that. already had that debate this morning. |
| 18:50.26 | jm_ul|w | heh |
| 18:51.22 | jm_ul|w | well...wasn't really a debate....more like trash talk? =) |
| 18:51.43 | bigdog_ut | it always is |
| 18:52.49 | toxs | bigdog_ut, have you checked out any eclipse plugins for Javascript? |
| 18:53.21 | bigdog_ut | i use colorer to write them...but i use firefox and venkman to debug them |
| 18:53.31 | bigdog_ut | venkman is the only think i really use for js |
| 18:54.15 | toxs | so nothing that does code completion or anything like that? |
| 18:54.40 | bigdog_ut | no not really...i am sure there are plugins...but have not looked for them |
| 18:54.46 | bigdog_ut | i can look and let you know |
| 18:55.12 | toxs | ever played with eclipse wtp? |
| 18:55.49 | bigdog_ut | yes and it sucks still |
| 18:55.59 | toxs | ok forget that then |
| 18:56.05 | bigdog_ut | all the editor suck |
| 18:56.16 | bigdog_ut | the xml might work okay...but colorer is way better |
| 18:56.17 | toxs | waste of 24Mb of bandwidth |
| 18:56.36 | bigdog_ut | now in about a year it might be worth it |
| 18:57.32 | bigdog_ut | elipse plugins here http://eclipse-plugins.2y.net/ and here http://www.eclipseplugincentral.com/ |
| 18:57.46 | bigdog_ut | get subclipse for subversion |
| 18:57.50 | bigdog_ut | that is a nice one |
| 19:02.26 | bigdog_ut | toxs, if you use dbs alot there are db plugins that are really cool |
| 19:02.46 | toxs | I have been using the quantum one |
| 19:03.22 | toxs | works better than zend for postgres dbs that are not in the public schema |
| 19:03.32 | bigdog_ut | lol...good man |
| 19:03.35 | toxs | ie faa |
| 19:03.49 | bigdog_ut | yep |
| 19:04.06 | bigdog_ut | zend sucks for that |
| 19:04.14 | toxs | buggy db stuff |
| 19:04.32 | bigdog_ut | i want my plugin to work with the db at some point |
| 19:04.45 | bigdog_ut | plugin for php to work with a db plugin |
| 19:04.52 | toxs | very nice |
| 19:05.01 | toxs | I would be the first to download it |
| 19:05.06 | bigdog_ut | im working on the editor now |
| 19:05.10 | jsmith | I'd be the second. |
| 19:05.10 | bigdog_ut | that is the big thing to get |
| 19:06.40 | bigdog_ut | jsmith, did that download work for you |
| 19:07.22 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: > ./eclipse |
| 19:07.22 | macnewbold | ./eclipse: error while loading shared libraries: libXrandr.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:07.40 | toxs | http://jseditor.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:07.41 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Just trying it now. |
| 19:07.50 | toxs | just downloaded that and it seems pretty good |
| 19:07.52 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, do u have xrandr installed |
| 19:08.11 | macnewbold | I dunno, why? |
| 19:08.18 | macnewbold | if its a java thing, prolly not :) |
| 19:08.21 | bigdog_ut | do you know what that app does? |
| 19:08.24 | jsmith | JVM terminated. Exit code=1 |
| 19:08.24 | jsmith | /usr/bin/java |
| 19:08.24 | jsmith | -cp /tmp/eclipse/eclipse/./startup.jar org.eclipse.core.launcher.Main |
| 19:08.24 | jsmith | -os linux |
| 19:08.24 | jsmith | -ws gtk |
| 19:08.24 | jsmith | -arch x86 |
| 19:08.27 | jsmith | -showsplash /tmp/eclipse/eclipse/./eclipse -showsplash 600 |
| 19:08.28 | jsmith | -exitdata /tmp/eclipse/eclipse/./eclipse -exitdata 41001e |
| 19:08.30 | jsmith | -vm /usr/bin/java |
| 19:08.32 | jsmith | -vmargs |
| 19:08.34 | jsmith | -cp /tmp/eclipse/eclipse/./startup.jar org.eclipse.core.launcher.Main |
| 19:08.35 | macnewbold | > locate xrandr |
| 19:08.35 | macnewbold | /usr/X11R6/bin/xrandr |
| 19:08.35 | macnewbold | /usr/X11R6/man/man1/xrandr.1.gz |
| 19:08.51 | bigdog_ut | not sure the libs are compatible then |
| 19:09.02 | bigdog_ut | unless that is an old version of xrandr |
| 19:09.13 | macnewbold | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.52 | macnewbold | it's there |
| 19:09.56 | bigdog_ut | jsmith, is aht when you start it up |
| 19:10.05 | bigdog_ut | yeah, but i wonder if the libs are different |
| 19:10.08 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Yes |
| 19:10.10 | macnewbold | the install of eclipse from the ports collection works fine though |
| 19:10.15 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Right no startup, that pops up in a window. |
| 19:10.19 | jsmith | s/no/on/ |
| 19:10.34 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, then they are tweaking it...perhaps you have to use the motif version |
| 19:10.41 | macnewbold | ew, no |
| 19:10.50 | bigdog_ut | motif libs that is |
| 19:11.18 | bigdog_ut | jsmith, it should tell you to check the log file...what does the log file have |
| 19:11.48 | macnewbold | looks like they have about two dozen patches they apply to eclipse :) |
| 19:11.51 | macnewbold | thta might explain it |
| 19:12.09 | bigdog_ut | yeah...i did not patch anything...cause i dont know freebsd like that |
| 19:12.18 | bigdog_ut | im not as intimate as macnewbold |
| 19:12.29 | macnewbold | I don't patch much either |
| 19:12.31 | macnewbold | just easy stuff |
| 19:12.35 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, do they have a light version of eclipse |
| 19:12.41 | macnewbold | though I've started contributing patches to flyspray :) |
| 19:12.53 | bigdog_ut | yeah cause it sucks |
| 19:13.09 | bigdog_ut | toxs, i saw that jseditor...but it is still beta |
| 19:13.15 | bigdog_ut | you can tell me how it runs |
| 19:13.18 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: I'm not seeing any log files. |
| 19:13.25 | macnewbold | these are the eclipse-related ports they have: |
| 19:13.32 | macnewbold | eclipse/ eclipse-EPIC/ eclipse-cdt/ eclipse-checkstyle/ eclipse-clay-core/ eclipse-devel/ eclipse-emf/ eclipse-examples/ eclipse-gef/ eclipse-gef-examples/ eclipse-langpack/ eclipse-log4e/ eclipse-lomboz/ eclipse-pmd/ eclipse-quantum/ eclipse-sqlexplorer/ eclipse-sysdeo-tomcat/ eclipse-uml/ eclipse-v4all/ eclipse-vep/ eclipse-vep-examples/ eclipseme/ phpeclipse/ |
| 19:13.42 | toxs | bigdog_ut, does not do OO javascript very well |
| 19:13.53 | jsmith | !SESSION Jun 24, 2005 12:08:14.158 ---------------------------------------------eclipse.buildId=M200409161125 |
| 19:13.53 | jsmith | java.fullversion=GNU libgcj 3.4.3 20050227 (Red Hat 3.4.3-22.1) |
| 19:13.53 | jsmith | BootLoader constants: OS=linux, ARCH=x86, WS=gtk, NL=en_US |
| 19:13.53 | jsmith | !ENTRY org.eclipse.osgi Jun 24, 2005 12:08:14.158 |
| 19:13.53 | jsmith | !MESSAGE Startup error |
| 19:13.54 | jsmith | !STACK 1 |
| 19:13.56 | bigdog_ut | well you have it all mac |
| 19:13.56 | jsmith | java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: while resolving class: org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseAdaptor |
| 19:13.58 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.00 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.02 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.25 | bigdog_ut | jsmith, you have a jvm installed? |
| 19:14.35 | jsmith | Yes... |
| 19:14.56 | bigdog_ut | and you are on redhat? |
| 19:15.08 | jsmith | Actually, I don't... at least not a real one. |
| 19:15.15 | jsmith | [jsmith2@jsmith configuration]$ rpm -qa | grep -i java |
| 19:15.15 | jsmith | java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-1.4.2.0-27jpp |
| 19:15.15 | jsmith | gcc-java-3.4.3-22.1 |
| 19:15.21 | bigdog_ut | yeah that wont run it |
| 19:15.27 | jsmith | OK, that explains my problem :-) |
| 19:15.32 | bigdog_ut | you need atleast ibm jre or sun jre |
| 19:15.39 | jsmith | Sorry, too many different machines. |
| 19:15.42 | jsmith | Yup. |
| 19:15.49 | jsmith | I'll install the Sun one. |
| 19:16.00 | bigdog_ut | get the jre unless you are doing java dev |
| 19:16.08 | bigdog_ut | u dont need the sdk |
| 19:17.30 | bigdog_ut | i should show you guys some of the killer feature with cvs and versioning and the sync stuff in eclipse |
| 19:17.36 | bigdog_ut | it is wicked cool |
| 19:19.55 | jsmith | s/jsk/sdk/ |
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| 20:01.32 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Installed the SUN jre (1.5.0_04), and still get the same error (this time *after* the splash screen) |
| 20:02.39 | bigdog_ut | same error |
| 20:02.46 | jsmith | Yup... |
| 20:02.48 | bigdog_ut | did you reset your java env? |
| 20:03.01 | bigdog_ut | java -version what does it give? |
| 20:03.16 | bigdog_ut | set the JAVA_HOME to the jre path |
| 20:03.44 | bigdog_ut | for example mine is JAVA_HOME=/opt/sun-jdk-1.4.2.08 |
| 20:04.17 | bigdog_ut | u can set it in your .bashrc file |
| 20:08.24 | wps | oh, crap |
| 20:08.30 | wps | Microsoft is about to do to RSS what they did to HTML |
| 20:08.39 | wps | http://www.microsoftmonitor.com/archives/008952.html |
| 20:08.58 | Utah_Dave | yeah, I read that too. |
| 20:27.50 | macnewbold | nobody's going to fall for it, I hope |
| 20:28.07 | macnewbold | if nobody generates or accepts the ms-specific crap, we'll be fine :) |
| 20:28.31 | wps | why can't microsoft do anything with existing technologies? |
| 20:28.43 | macnewbold | cause that doesn't give them an advantage :) |
| 20:28.48 | wps | why does everything they do have to involve new, proprietary technologies and tags? |
| 20:29.02 | macnewbold | "embrace and extend" means "take a fine standard and corrupt it so that it looks like they're better" |
| 20:29.15 | macnewbold | except to us who really know what happened |
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| 20:37.46 | gthornock | Everything they do has to involve new, proprietary stuff because otherwise you wouldn't necessarily have to use Windows to work with it. |
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| 20:38.10 | gthornock | It's all about customer lock-in. |
| 20:38.26 | nathang | And as the article pointed out, their products are already saturating the market. |
| 20:38.49 | nathang | They constantly need new ways |
| 20:39.06 | nathang | of making people buy the "latest and greatest" |
| 20:39.32 | macnewbold | "Microsoft customer lock-in" == "Good software lock-out" |
| 20:39.51 | gthornock | Exactly. |
| 20:40.24 | bigdog_ut | corporate spam is crazy |
| 20:40.30 | bigdog_ut | worse than normal spam |
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| 20:50.55 | bigdog_ut | drip, send me more email |
| 20:51.24 | drip | i'm just glad i wasn't included in those stupid emails. |
| 20:51.25 | drip | lol |
| 20:51.46 | drip | oh wait.. is that my pink slip? not being included in the corporate spam |
| 20:51.59 | bigdog_ut | good day loser |
| 20:54.04 | bigdog_ut | ~smack drip's red stapler |
| 20:54.04 | jbot | ACTION smacks drip's red stapler upside the head. |
| 20:54.23 | bigdog_ut | ~smack drip's with a red stapler |
| 20:54.23 | jbot | ACTION smacks drip's with a red stapler upside the head. |
| 20:54.30 | bigdog_ut | ~smack drip with a red stapler |
| 20:54.30 | jbot | ACTION smacks drip with a red stapler upside the head. |
| 20:54.41 | bigdog_ut | ~smack drip with his red stapler |
| 20:54.41 | jbot | ACTION smacks drip with his red stapler upside the head. |
| 20:59.57 | wps | bigdog_ut, the 64 link doesn't work |
| 20:59.59 | wps | (http://thebigdog.biz/uphp-eclipse-linux-gtk-amd64.zip) |
| 21:01.03 | bigdog_ut | cause you are missing a u in the url |
| 21:01.13 | bigdog_ut | http://thebigdog.biz/uphpu-eclipse-linux-gtk-amd64.zip |
| 21:01.16 | bigdog_ut | try that |
| 21:01.24 | wps | got it |
| 21:01.25 | wps | thanks |
| 21:01.30 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 21:06.21 | jm_ul|w | swingline stapler? |
| 21:07.53 | macnewbold | those are the good kind |
| 21:08.03 | optikal | Hey ya'll, whats some really good secluded spots to go camping around here? The place I go the most, over by Kamas, has Thunderstorm warnings all weekend long |
| 21:13.58 | macnewbold | I know some places up in the Uintahs, but they're a bit of a drive :( |
| 21:26.10 | jsmith | optikal: Try Santaquin Canyon |
| 21:26.24 | optikal | macnewbold: how long? |
| 21:26.34 | optikal | jsmith: yah? wheres that at? |
| 21:30.53 | drip | no.. the best would be Cherry Hill in Fruit Heights. nestled peacefully next to highway 89 |
| 21:31.19 | drip | There are some nice places up east of Logan |
| 21:31.42 | drip | but they are probably filled up. |
| 21:32.07 | jsmith | optikal: East of Santaquin :-) |
| 21:32.22 | jsmith | optikal: Honestly, it's been a while, so that's all I remember. |
| 21:32.43 | optikal | Looking for somewhere thats no more than say, 2.5hr drive. |
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| 21:33.17 | drip | tenting it? trailer? |
| 21:33.22 | optikal | Tent |
| 21:33.36 | optikal | We'll be driving in a PT Cruiser, so nothing that needs 4x4. |
| 21:33.45 | drip | heh.. that was my next question |
| 21:33.52 | optikal | I figured it probably was. :) |
| 21:35.08 | drip | most tenting i've done is in the uintahs |
| 21:35.43 | drip | w/ the 2 kids now, it's easier for us to go somewhere less secluded =/ |
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| 21:37.14 | drip | seems like there was a place down west of tooele |
| 21:37.22 | drip | but i don't remember exactly where it was.. |
| 21:37.31 | drip | just drove out by it about a year ago |
| 21:37.41 | drip | and thought it may be fun to go to sometime camping |
| 21:40.26 | mindjuju | i actually went to go camping in utah once, the only stipulation was that the camp ground needed to have trees. East texas forest is what i was looking for. somebody told me about some place called kamus and promised trees there, so I pack the fam and head up to see trees. Nothin' but scrub brush in kamus! what up with that! |
| 21:40.45 | mindjuju | so we went driving around, found us a nice place and went camping here |
| 21:40.46 | mindjuju | http://marriott.com/property/propertypage.mi?marshaCode=SLCMS |
| 21:42.43 | gthornock | There are some fairly good spots not far from Kamas. |
| 21:43.11 | gthornock | They're fairly popular, though; I wouldn't expect a lot of seclusion on a summer weekend. |
| 21:43.20 | mindjuju | yeah, i found out later once you get to kamas, your suppose to turn on some obsecure street and then you drive a bit, then the trees |
| 21:43.34 | mindjuju | see, that's why i say go camping at the marriott |
| 21:43.38 | mindjuju | great pool |
| 21:43.41 | mindjuju | has bbq facilities |
| 21:44.05 | mindjuju | soaker tub that is about 6'x4' by 2.5 feet deep, so huge |
| 21:44.21 | mindjuju | has kitchenette, dishes, everything |
| 21:47.53 | macnewbold | optikal: the place(s) in the uintahs I know best are probably 2.5-3hrs I'd say, on the north side, so you drive through WY. I bet there are others closer on the south side, in Duchesne county. |
| 21:48.15 | dataw0lf | it's athundering, he can't go. |
| 21:48.32 | dataw0lf | if I had a porch I'd lend you the space underneath, optikal. |
| 21:49.40 | macnewbold | Oh, you could do Cache Valley, up by Logan or something |
| 21:49.45 | optikal | yah.. Its gunna spew all over the valley. |
| 21:49.48 | optikal | hmm |
| 21:49.48 | macnewbold | Cache National Forest should have some good spots |
| 21:50.07 | macnewbold | but anything organized (i.e. an official camp site) would probably have people hanging around :/ |
| 21:50.36 | optikal | woo.. nice and sunny up by Logan. |
| 21:50.57 | optikal | Problem with that is, unless someone knows of agood spot, I'd hate driving that far to chance it and end up in a camp site. |
| 21:51.05 | optikal | But, much thanks for the suggestions. |
| 21:51.49 | jm_ul|w | only camping I'll be doing this weekend is in quake3....just kidding. |
| 21:51.51 | jsmith | optikal: Can't you reserve spots online now? |
| 21:52.45 | optikal | jsmith: Surely, for 'camp sites'. |
| 21:52.50 | optikal | Which offer no privacy, for the most part. |
| 21:53.05 | optikal | and I go to the mountains to get away from people, not to hear their kids playing or their dog barking or whatever. |
| 21:54.50 | gthornock | There are some nice spots on the south side, accessible from Duchesne, but that's still a couple of hours |
| 21:56.14 | gthornock | I don't remember how long it actually takes me to drive it, but Yahoo thinks Provo to Duchesne is 2 1/2 hours. Google Maps doesn't know Duchesne at all :) |
| 21:58.03 | gthornock | Salt Lake to Duchesne ends up about the same. |
| 21:59.43 | drip | some nice spots up by monte cristo |
| 22:00.21 | drip | and you can take some side roads that don't require 4x4 and find nice little places. |
| 22:00.42 | optikal | nice ok |
| 22:00.43 | drip | although there may still be a bit of snow in some places up there |
| 22:01.14 | drip | you might even find the davis county amateur radio club up that way this weekend now that I think about it. =P |
| 22:03.28 | drip | in fact.. they will be there.. |
| 22:03.35 | drip | i'm usually up there for it too |
| 22:03.38 | drip | =/ |
| 22:05.28 | mindjuju | ah, it's friday, 4p and i just got a huge project that will be due monday |
| 22:05.44 | drip | ouch |
| 22:06.05 | drip | C is for Cookie? |
| 22:06.17 | mindjuju | Pink Floyd - Comforably Numb |
| 22:07.00 | drip | tis a good song |
| 22:07.23 | mindjuju | the best |
| 22:08.35 | drip | optikal, if you're not familiar w/ where monte is at, this page has some decent directions: |
| 22:08.37 | drip | http://www.dcarc.net/field_day_2005.htm#Directions |
| 22:08.58 | drip | there are some roads near that site where you can follow them to little secluded camping areas. |
| 22:09.02 | drip | that are perfect for tenting. |
| 22:09.06 | drip | quite secluded. |
| 22:09.20 | xilch|w | heh - you said tenting |
| 22:09.49 | drip | lol.. yup |
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| 22:10.23 | optikal | drip: awesome, thanks for all the infos |
| 22:10.34 | drip | np |
| 22:12.23 | macnewbold | ~spell duchesne |
| 22:12.30 | macnewbold | hm |
| 22:13.06 | drip | looks like he's not up to par w/ his utah counties. |
| 22:13.08 | macnewbold | maybe we need to put together a UPHPU "secret camping spots" list, and not list the anywhere public, but only where we can see them |
| 22:13.34 | macnewbold | Here's the right way to spell it, apparently: Duchesne |
| 22:13.51 | macnewbold | too bad everything we've mentioned in here is now public on the IRC logs... |
| 22:14.52 | xilch|w | macnewbold: especially now when someone searches for "secret camping spots" - they will get this one first |
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| 22:17.06 | drip | now i really want to go up that "Field Day" event. We do fun stuff up there revolving around radio. Satellite communication, radio competetion, etc. |
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| 22:18.57 | jm_ul|w | please excuse my ignorance on this topic.... how common is it to put a style of a web page into an include()? |
| 22:19.53 | macnewbold | drip: you a ham? |
| 22:19.58 | drip | yes |
| 22:20.03 | drip | since 1989 |
| 22:20.05 | macnewbold | dude, you r0x0r |
| 22:20.09 | drip | you? |
| 22:20.12 | macnewbold | KE7AEV, nice to meet you |
| 22:20.16 | drip | ki7ky |
| 22:20.19 | drip | ditto! |
| 22:20.28 | dataw0lf | oh, no. |
| 22:20.37 | dataw0lf | just when you think it can't get any nerdier? someone always proves you wrong. |
| 22:20.42 | drip | lol |
| 22:20.43 | wps | lol |
| 22:20.45 | macnewbold | in communities like this, you don't have to look too far to find people who are geeks in more than one domain :) |
| 22:20.50 | drip | yup |
| 22:20.59 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: always the funny guy, huh? |
| 22:21.05 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 22:21.12 | wps | i started studying for the test onceā¦ if that counts for anything :) |
| 22:21.17 | macnewbold | cool |
| 22:21.21 | drip | now i know what you look like |
| 22:21.29 | drip | =P |
| 22:21.57 | jm_ul|w | I studied for it in 1988....I'm thinking a few things have changed? |
| 22:22.01 | drip | when did you get your license? |
| 22:22.06 | drip | yeah.. a lot actually |
| 22:22.10 | dataw0lf | jm_ul|w: nah, they're still nerds. |
| 22:22.14 | drip | i haven't been very active the last few years |
| 22:22.18 | jm_ul|w | heh |
| 22:22.42 | drip | my 2m rig isn't even functional right now.. |
| 22:22.52 | drip | and i need to set up an antenna for my hf radio |
| 22:23.38 | dataw0lf | I have a couple mgrs radios! do I count? |
| 22:23.50 | drip | =) |
| 22:23.54 | jm_ul|w | dataw0lf: what would make it more nerdier? |
| 22:24.13 | dataw0lf | jm_ul|w: I dunno. Maybe if someone was transferring anime audio over the radio freqs? |
| 22:26.40 | drip | yes, it is nerdy.. |
| 22:26.48 | drip | but i've done cool stuff w/ it. |
| 22:27.00 | drip | contacting the space shuttle and mir |
| 22:27.20 | dataw0lf | oh, no doubt it's some cool stuff. |
| 22:27.25 | dataw0lf | I'm just giving you guys a hard time. |
| 22:27.33 | drip | i know. =) |
| 22:29.38 | jm_ul|w | I always thought it would be cool to get into but I'm more comfortable looking at a screen communicating in an irc channel =) |
| 22:29.55 | jm_ul|w | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.59 | drip | lol.. |
| 22:31.02 | drip | i also used my screen |
| 22:31.18 | jm_ul|w | Anyone ever go geocaching....or whatever its called? (www.geocaching.com) |
| 22:31.25 | drip | did rtty, packet, and lots of other modes |
| 22:31.32 | drip | through the computer |
| 22:32.13 | dataw0lf | jm_ul|w: yes. |
| 22:32.17 | dataw0lf | infrequently. |
| 22:32.58 | jm_ul|w | I like it because of the exercise. |
| 22:34.19 | drip | hmm.. interesting. I've never seen that before |
| 22:34.35 | jm_ul|w | if you like hiking....it's a pretty cool hobby |
| 22:35.03 | jm_ul|w | well...i only go find the caches that require a short day hike. |
| 22:35.44 | drip | my wife and I usually take a sunday drive and go hiking or something w/ my kids |
| 22:35.49 | drip | this could make it more interesting |
| 22:35.55 | jm_ul|w | yes indeed |
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| 23:08.41 | macnewbold | ~rejoice |
| 23:08.41 | jbot | No, damit!!! |
| 23:08.45 | macnewbold | ~praise the weekend |
| 23:08.45 | jbot | All hail the weekend! |
| 23:09.24 | drip | amen |
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