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13:39.54dataw0lfmindjuju: sup?
14:29.19macnewboldmorning all
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14:36.54dataw0lfmorning mac
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16:05.07mindjujuhey datawolf, I was going to ask you a question about some ports being open.  I nmap'd my production server and saw port 135 - msrpc research for it was vague, something about a remote procedure call.  so I blocked it.  
16:05.56dataw0lfyeah, I'd close it.
16:06.01dataw0lfit's the MS equivalent of portmapper
16:06.10dataw0lfi.e., it lists all rpc ports on the system.
16:06.11mindjujunow i have to figure out how to get my firewall to drop packets as opposed to rejecting or filtering.  from nmap's perspective, it shows the port as being filtered
16:06.15mindjujui'd rather it just not show
16:06.38dataw0lfiptables?
16:06.54mindjujui wish, if it were, i'd know from our last meeting how to do it
16:07.04mindjujui walked away from that meeting with a lot, thnx!
16:07.21dataw0lfah, I didn't even know you were there.
16:07.26jsmithdataw0lf: Did you guys cover tarpits?
16:07.51dataw0lfjsmith: nah, it was a very brief intro.
16:07.58mindjujuyeah, i was the guy who asked if iptables were like a firewall, and if you had a firewall, was it worth having iptables to supplement
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16:08.36dataw0lfah, ok.
16:09.03dataw0lfso what type of firewall do you have, then?
16:09.21mindjujutiny server firewall (software based)
16:09.51dataw0lfthat's Windows, eh?
16:10.12mindjujuyup, win box
16:10.24mindjujui like that I can manage which programs can't execute from a remote IP, which dlls, etc
16:10.35mindjujuit's been a bear to learn and work with
16:11.48dataw0lfNever used any sort of Windows based firewall.
16:12.33mindjujuit's been a good training opportunity, but as the website grows, we will definantly need to move to something else
16:14.27dataw0lfI hope the presentation wasn't too brief.  We were trying to cover alot of disparate subjects in a short amount of time.
16:15.38mindjujufrom my perspective, it was brief, but good.  gave good introduction to things I was able to further research on the web.  i came away with a lot of notes
16:16.02bigdog_utwe should do a part2
16:18.08mindjujui think that would be cool, but from you bigdog, I think it would be cool if we could have something on databases and benchmarking.  maybe a topic like, how to get the most of your database?  just an idea
16:18.52bigdog_utafter dataw0lf reads his new book he will be cool
16:19.34dataw0lfit's a pretty good book.
16:22.08dataw0lfit's used in ArcGIS, which is certainly an 'enterprise' application
16:22.17dataw0lfwrong channel
16:23.52bigdog_utarcgis is great
16:24.20dataw0lf'specially since it uses Python for alot of things (what I was referring to above)
16:25.03jsmithdataw0lf: So why don't you and bigdog_ut do a "GIS mapping and PostgreSQL" presentation
16:25.24dataw0lfthat'd be interesting.
16:25.28bigdog_utcause that is beyond the scope of many
16:25.46bigdog_uti can see it now...here is orthorectification
16:25.49jsmithTrue... lowest common denominator strikes again.
16:25.50dataw0lfrol
16:25.55bigdog_uteveryone is like...what the ???
16:25.59bigdog_utortho what
16:26.27jsmithYup.
16:26.30jsmithI understand
16:26.30dataw0lfwe'd spend the whole meeting trying to explain basic GIS topics.
16:26.47bigdog_utif you dont do it...there is no need for it
16:27.48dataw0lfyeah, it'd be a yawner for alot of people.
16:30.21dataw0lfwhich reminds me I need to read this 'Elements of Photogrammetry with Applications in GIS' ugh
16:31.31dataw0lfbtw, Batman Begins is awesome++++^1000
16:35.12dataw0lftimes a trillion
16:35.42jsmithSo I"ve heard.
16:36.07dataw0lfthey've already signed up Bale, Freeman and Caine for a sequel.
16:36.21bigdog_utnice
16:36.31dataw0lfI thought all of the supporting cast was pretty good.
16:36.34bigdog_utpeople say it is somewhat more realistic then the others
16:36.48dataw0lfyeah, it definitely is.
16:37.25dataw0lfI probably wouldn't take smaller children to see it.
16:37.28dataw0lfthere's some freaky parts.
16:38.08dataw0lfgotta expect that when people are forcibly getting high on weaponized hallucinogens though.
16:39.32dataw0lfuh oh, my roommate cometh, everyone hide.
16:39.39bigdog_utlol
16:39.42bigdog_utget down
16:39.44bigdog_utman down
16:43.02xilch|wdatabeast: you wanna go early?
16:43.38dataw0lfxilch|w: not going to be able to today, unfortunately.
16:43.44xilch|wdataw0lf: ^^^
16:43.57xilch|woh, well you are going to miss out then
16:44.05xilch|wbecause we are going to rock
16:44.09xilch|wyour socks off
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16:44.30dataw0lfI'm too tired anyways.
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16:45.32xilch|wwe just came to kicks some ass.  To rock your socks, and kick some ass
16:45.46dataw0lfsensitive ears, xilch|w
16:46.03bobert_rocky socks? weird....
16:46.03xilch|wwait - sorry folks with sensitive ears, thought I was in a different channel
16:46.26dataw0lfTenacious D.
16:46.53xilch|wdataw0lf: heh - funny that we both used the same term - sensitive ears
16:47.54dataw0lfxilch|w: lies! you're just copping my style.
16:48.02dataw0lfThe main thing we do is to rock your socks off
16:48.22dataw0lfthere's no such thing as a rock prodigy, cuz rock n roll is bogus, right? KG, RIGHT! all that matters is the classical sauce
16:48.47bobert_mmmmm classical sauce
16:48.53xilch|wsynic has the classical sauce
16:48.58bigdog_utive got a cleveland steemer here for ya
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16:49.03xilch|wlol
16:49.23bigdog_uturdan dictionary -> chunkin da duece
16:49.31bigdog_ut= cleveland steemer
16:49.55dataw0lfhow bout are you willing to make the commitment to rock hard, tasty abs WASHERBOARD STYLE? glistening in the sun..
16:50.24bobert_you guys went all urban on me
16:50.32dataw0lffo sho homie
16:50.49bobert_I feel like a stranger in a strangeland
16:51.03dataw0lfI be on dat urbizzle fo shizzle on the rizzle
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16:51.46bigdog_ut~smack xilch|w
16:51.46jbotACTION smacks xilch|w upside the head.
16:51.52mindjujumama said knock that fashizzle out - time to bust it old skool - changing techno for LL Cool J
16:51.55dataw0lfxilch|w: have you seen that South Park - 'You Got Served'
16:52.09dataw0lfthat was some pretty funny stuff.
16:52.16xilch|wdataw0lf: no - but I already know I NEEED to
16:52.19bigdog_utnow if you got some Big Daddy Kane...taht is ol' skool
16:52.30xilch|wthe movie was so ripe for parody
16:52.35dataw0lfxilch|w: dude, it's jawesome.
16:52.40dataw0lfbest SP evar.
16:52.45xilch|wI believe it
16:52.56xilch|wdataw0lf: you've seen the movie right?
16:53.03dataw0lfNope.
16:53.13xilch|woh man
16:53.15dataw0lfIf I had I probably wouldn't be here.
16:53.17xilch|wwe gotta get it
16:53.20bobert_if by "The Movie" you mean Batman Begins, then I have
16:53.20dataw0lfcause I would've slit my wrists.
16:53.37dataw0lfBatman Begins++++^10000 times four trillion million billion
16:53.42xilch|wthe best movie that you all will ever see: You Got Served
16:54.05bobert_dataw0lf what does that even mean?
16:54.05mindjujunah, it's just a remake of Breakin' from the 80's
16:54.10bigdog_utbest movie is thumb wars
16:54.21mindjujuthumb wars is good
16:54.42mindjujutime to bust some beastie boys
16:54.57dataw0lfbobert_: means that Batman Begins is incremented four times den it's to the power of 10000 and multiplied by four trillion million billion
16:55.03dataw0lfin essence, it's an awesome movie.
16:55.09bobert_gotcha
16:55.24bobert_in other words, it's uncountably infinitely good
16:55.36bigdog_utin essence...dataw0lf likes math
16:55.56dataw0lfugh, I hatez it, I hatez it, my precious.
16:55.59xilch|win essence, dataw0lf smells like bat essence
16:56.11dataw0lfyes!
16:57.05bobert_so.... you guys are all l337 irc hax0|2s, rightt?
16:57.16dataw0lf~dataw0lf
16:57.16jbothmm... dataw0lf is sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc
16:57.27dataw0lf^^^
16:57.39xilch|wlol
16:57.54bobert_I'm fearing dataw0lf right now then
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16:58.06bobert_how does one go about finding irc channels using trillian?
16:58.27bobert_...or is it even doable?
16:58.40cyclonetry /list ?
16:59.11dataw0lfrm -fr trillian;apt-get install xchat
16:59.20bobert_hmm if by that you mean type "/list" and see what happens...
16:59.23synicdude, the r comes before the f.
16:59.27bobert_nothing happened
16:59.45bobert_rm -rf trillian;atp-get install
17:00.47dataw0lfsynic: that's how Gentoo people do it.
17:00.50dataw0lfso go ahead.
17:01.05bobert_nada
17:01.18mindjujuyour not running linux then
17:01.25bobert_oh.  yeah that's true.
17:01.37cycloneis there a win32 version of Xchat?
17:01.44bigdog_uty
17:01.51cyclonecause mirc is lame.
17:01.54bigdog_utu might need to purchase it though for win332
17:01.54bobert_is that an add-in for trillian?
17:02.08cycloneno.. trillian is lame.
17:02.12cyclonewell for irc
17:02.15xilch|whokai so - I'm going to fire ze missiles, and climb the canyons
17:02.25xilch|wlaters
17:02.28cyclonebought that time eh?
17:02.31synicbobert_: http://www.silverex.org/news/
17:02.33xilch|wright oh
17:02.50bobert_cool
17:02.51bobert_thanks
17:03.39fungusQ. Why isn't the Windows version free?
17:03.39fungusA. Building X-Chat for Windows is a difficult process, it requires quite some skill and expertise to accomplish. It takes time, and is by no means automated.
17:09.31dataw0lfyeah, if you're going to use zed's xchat for windows, please give monies to him, he poured alot of work into it.
17:10.11bobert_well, I think I'll proly stick with (lame) trillian cuz it does what I need... I just need an active dotnet chanel
17:11.30mindjujuposse on broadway, now there is a good song
17:17.53mindjuju!
17:17.59mindjujuwow, hmmm
17:18.10dripno?
17:18.14dripdonnie maybe?
17:18.16mindjujubette midler, what does she even sing besides "the rose"?
17:18.19bigdog_utgo donnie
17:18.32dripyeah, donnie.. he was on fear factor last night
17:18.32bigdog_utshe sings alot of stuff
17:18.38bigdog_uti have all 16 albums
17:18.38dripdonnie osmond
17:18.54bigdog_utwhat a loser
17:18.54mindjuju16 albums of bette midler?  surely you jest
17:18.59dripi came up from my workout to see him hanging from something.
17:19.06bigdog_utmy wife likes her
17:19.40dripbigdog_ut, i heard bette was coming out w/ a cover of tenacious d.
17:19.56dripi'm first in line for that album.
17:20.57dripbigdog_ut: note the time.
17:21.01drip11:23:07
17:21.35bigdog_utalmost time
17:21.59bigdog_ut~time
17:22.00jbothmm... time is 1 dimensional, or everlasting, or an illusion
17:22.17mindjujui'd say an illusion
17:22.59bobert_time is a figment of our imaginations
17:23.18mindjujuyup, an illusion
17:23.19bobert_as is sequence of events
17:40.58fungusanyone have a good reference for a beginner getting into db theory?
17:41.32mindjujuw3schools is pretty good for online
17:42.49jsmithfungus: devshed.com has quite a few good articles
17:43.33fungusmy sis wants to learn db admin, but knows very little.  I need to get her started down the "right path".
17:46.07mindjujuwhich sql database?
17:47.00fungusAny, and all of them.  I want to find good references (dead trees or not) on good db theory.
17:47.03jsmithmindjuju: Shouldn't matter -- if you learn the theory, it should apply to almost any db
17:48.30mindjujufor admin?  well, true, i mean the basic of database admin are constant, but the implementation of those basics will be different.  at least between ms sql and mysql there is big difference in operation and maintainance
17:49.02mindjujudon't you think, jsmith?
17:49.26jsmithmindjuju: You've gotta learn db theory before even hoping to be an "admin", whatever that means.
17:49.44jsmithmindjuju: But yes, I see what you're trying to say
17:50.37fungusYeah, i think everyone should start w/ theory, then move on to the specific implementation.
17:50.59Utah_Davesorry, I was reading above about irc clients for windows. I'm using Gaim. and it works great
17:51.57fungusJust putty to a *nix box and use BitchX or irssi if you are stuck on windows.
17:52.47fungusooh, or even better.  get X11 forwarding setup and run xchat with the display directed to your windows box.
17:53.27jsmithfungus: Yeah, but then you need an X server running on Windows.
17:54.13fungusyeah, are they hard to find or something?  I don't use windows enough to know.
17:55.02funguscool.  http://x.cygwin.com/
17:56.12jm_ul|wputty to ... http://www.freeshell.org/     I *think* they offer some sort of chat service....maybe.
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17:59.52mindjujuhey fungus, was it you that was talking about recording a stream?
18:00.07fungusYeah.
18:00.23mindjujuwhat were you using to do that?
18:00.58fungusmplayer piped to a fifo, and lame reading from the fifo.
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18:03.41Utah_DaveI just got my boss to by me a dual head video card, so now I have 3 monitors at my workstation. one really nice 19 in Sony CRT in the middle and two 21 inch LCD's. One LCD on either side. It rocks.
18:05.15fungusNice.  I just have 2 19" monitors next to my laptop screen.
18:05.43wpsjust?
18:05.46wpsnot enough for ya?
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18:06.53wps:)
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18:09.07timothy_I bought the card I was talking about yesterday.
18:10.17timothy_Anyone know how to setup a network using the PCMCIA card?
18:16.10fungusmindjuju, my record stream script is here. http://www.kittypee.com/media/1/20050623-recordstream.txt
18:16.58mindjujuthnx!!  I've got to put something together to get liquid rhythms.  that's one of the best shows i've heard
18:17.43mindjujuyou ever heard that fungus?  on krcl 90.9 on Sat morn from 1a - 4a
18:18.03mindjujuthey play it all, house, techno, jungle,
18:18.32fungusNope.  my script was primarily used for coast2coast.
18:18.42fungusand Kim Commando.  
18:18.44mindjujusee, that's another show i need to start recording
18:19.28fungusTo use it, just fire off the script when a show starts, and send a KILL to mplayer at the shows end.
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18:39.43mindjujufungus, is that site yours?  kittypee?
18:40.02fungusyeah.
18:40.19mindjujui saw the photo gallery.  that's awesome that you named your dog grep
18:40.56funguswell, he is a hound dog and grep just works.  :)
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18:43.33wpsone of the things that I like the most about multiple displays is viewing database tables in the terminal… you can stretch your terminal window across and see all of the columns of a table at once
18:45.31fungusYeah, that is really handy.
18:48.16mindjuju...and now the news...
18:48.18mindjujuMarried men make Bank!
18:48.18mindjujuhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/life_wages_dc
18:48.18mindjuju<PROTECTED>
18:48.18mindjujuDrug flavored lollies?
18:48.18mindjujuhttp://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/062305_ap_ns_madigan_drugpops.html
18:48.26mindjujuWhy math imparied people should stay clear from boats
18:48.26mindjujuhttp://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/georgia/news-article.aspx?storyid=39397
18:48.26mindjuju<PROTECTED>
18:48.27mindjujuWhy outsourcing is a bad idea for the financial industry
18:48.29mindjujuhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/23/indian_call_centre_fraud_probe/
18:48.31mindjujuED209 no longer science fiction
18:48.33mindjujuhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050623/od_nm/japan_robot_dc
18:50.12fungusA first look at Apple's Intel Mac
18:50.13fungushttp://www.thinksecret.com/news/0506intelmac.html
18:50.34Utah_DaveI like to having my code editor on my middle screen, documentation and/or web browser open on my left screen, and terminal and/or file browser on the right screen
18:51.37bigdog_utso you have 3 monitors Utah_Dave
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19:24.02bigdog_utclaps for?
19:24.14dataw0lfyou can count.
19:24.28dataw0lf:D
19:24.36bigdog_uti max at 5 unlike your self
19:25.16dataw0lfyou're right, I max at somewhere between a trillion and a jillion
19:25.42dataw0lfcuz I'm smrt
19:26.20jsmithbigdog_ut: Is this similar to what you were working on? http://www.php-mag.net/itr/news/psecom,id,22425,nodeid,113.html
19:26.58bigdog_utyeah, very similar
19:30.52dataw0lftierra must've had problems going to sleep again last night.  that dude's getting worse and worse.
19:31.09dataw0lfhe's going to be hurting when he has to work traditional hours.
19:31.13dataw0lfhm
19:31.24dataw0lfxilch|w: are you ready for some trad climbing ? I wanna go this weekend.
19:32.30dataw0lfmust be climbing right now.
19:32.33dataw0lfdamn.
20:00.39dripMmm... sounds fun  =)
20:15.17timothy_I know this is off topic (PHP), but I need to know how to setup a new network port for Mac OS X.3.8. Any ideas?
20:15.32macnewboldnetwork port?
20:15.36macnewboldwhat do you mean, timothy_?
20:17.02timothy_System Preferences->Network->Show: Network Port Configurations->New
20:17.13timothy_My PCMCIA card is not listed
20:17.20macnewboldah
20:17.38timothy_is that a good ah?
20:17.56macnewboldnot yet :)
20:18.02timothy_Cause this could use a good ah right now.
20:18.13macnewboldhad to boot up an osx box so I could see what you mean
20:18.19timothy_I see.
20:18.20macnewboldI've never used that part of the network settings
20:18.35toxsyour card show up under the system profiler?
20:18.41timothy_checking
20:18.52macnewboldI've never added any network devices to osx other than an airport extreme card, and it "just worked" in the ibook
20:19.14toxsmost things "just work"
20:19.42timothy_you're telling me... haven't had to do "tech" work on my macs for quite a while.
20:19.44macnewboldyep, that's the Apple way :)
20:19.56toxsvery nice
20:20.17macnewboldokay, so on the show network configs page,
20:20.19macnewboldclick the new button
20:20.29macnewboldwhat shows up in the Port: dropdown?
20:20.47toxsit the device in not the system profiler it will not show up in the network system prefs
20:20.48macnewboldmine's got modem, ehternet, firewire, and 6-to-4
20:20.54macnewboldprolly true
20:20.55toxss/it/if
20:21.09dataw0lfyup, easy use is the Apple way.
20:21.11timothy_hang on.... phone going crazy
20:21.12dataw0lfalong with SATANISM!
20:21.35toxsand if it is not in the system profiler it is probably because you don't have the drivers installed
20:23.24macnewboldany luck with the system profiler? maybe under "networks" or some type of card under hardware?
20:23.38timothy_doesn't appear to be in the System Profiler
20:23.48toxsneed drivers then
20:23.56timothy_It does show in the top toolbar though
20:24.01macnewboldyou sure the card is supported with Mac/OS X?
20:24.25toxs"top toolbar"?
20:24.26timothy_not sure
20:26.23timothy_top toolbar with the blue apple... it's on the right side w/ the clock, battery, etc
20:27.00timothy_how would I install drivers for it then?
20:27.04bigdog_utokay...so for you cvs guys...mental note...dont actually check out a module with the head tag
20:27.42toxstimothy_: did it come with a CD?
20:28.00timothy_PC only...
20:28.09toxswebsite?
20:28.41timothy_I have modem drivers that I've put into Library->Modem Scripts
20:29.34timothy_looking up website.....
20:30.20timothy_http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=us&lc=en&ver=4000&template=pp5_loader&php=php1_10057&zone=pp&lm=pp5_1&pid=10057
20:31.16timothy_I found Sony Ericsson GPRS drivers on versiontracker.com
20:31.48timothy_that's what I've put into Library->Modem Scripts..... perhaps I need to reboot, didn't try that.
20:32.20toxsmight work
20:32.23timothy_but the drivers are specified in the Network Preferences after one selects the correct network port
20:32.38fungusActually they aren't drivers.  Drivers are kernel extensions.  
20:32.45timothy_oh.
20:33.18timothy_you're right, they're referred to as Modem Scripts
20:33.26timothy_my bad
20:33.46fungusexactly.  You need to find the drivers for the scripts to be able to communicate with the card.
20:34.44timothy_a driver for the card or the slot?
20:34.54funguscard.  
20:35.53timothy_I didn't find any in versiontracker.com, is there a generic driver that may work?
20:39.34timothy_what is the extension for a driver / kernel extension?
20:40.18fungusA kernel extension is a driver.  it plugs itself into the kernel to allow the kernel to understand the device.
20:48.25timothy_searching web.....
21:02.28timothy_can I use a generic PCMCIA driver?
21:05.27timothy_wouldn't it need a driver to put the dropdown in the top menu? it shows a "Broadcom 802.11g/GPRS CardBus.
21:07.31timothy_On "System Profile" I do have a:
21:07.36timothy_TXN,PCIXXXX-00:
21:07.37timothy_<PROTECTED>
21:07.37timothy_<PROTECTED>
21:07.37timothy_<PROTECTED>
21:07.37timothy_<PROTECTED>
21:07.39timothy_<PROTECTED>
21:07.41timothy_<PROTECTED>
21:07.44timothy_<PROTECTED>
21:08.28timothy_What do you guys think?
21:09.59dataw0lfEvil!
21:12.14toxsis it in the network system preference?
21:12.40toxsin the "Show:" select box?
21:14.11timothy_no..... I do have a "6 to 4" option... what is that for?
21:14.52toxsgood question
21:15.06toxsnever seen that
21:16.38timothy_I'm going from no bad words, to bad words, to complete sentences composed of nothing but bad words.
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21:17.44timothy_You know that you can use bad words as nouns, verbs, adjectives, adverbs, direct objects, indirect objects..... I think they can even act as prepositions!
21:17.59timothy_jk
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21:34.25macnewboldbtw: 6 to 4 is a firewire thing... 6-pin to 4-pin
21:42.31fungusI thought it was for an IPv6 -> IPv4 tunnel
21:43.16macnewboldperhaps... firewire was what came to my mind first, but that could make sense
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22:06.23lukfuglhey. Anyone in here familiar with PHP 5's SoapClient class?
22:09.52timothyhJust a thought:   It seems hard to believe that the entire Mac/Linux/Unix communities are unable to use a cellular based internet simply because they prefer better/faster/sexier/dependable computers.
22:17.34bigdog_utmacnewbold, you around?
22:17.34macnewboldyep, like always, bigdog_ut
22:17.34macnewboldsup?
22:19.20bigdog_uti have the uphpu-eclipse-linux-gtk zip file i need to put on uphpu...dont you have access?
22:19.44lukfuglI guess no one knows SoapClient?
22:19.59bigdog_utlukfugl, what do you need to know?
22:20.07lukfuglhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/wYLnVZ92.html
22:20.13lukfuglthere's an example of my problem
22:20.39lukfuglThe default serialization of an associative array with NULL values skips the corresponding keys
22:20.44lukfuglthat's a big problem for me
22:20.59lukfuglwas wondering if anyone else has run into this and knows a workaround
22:21.19bigdog_utno i have not heard of it...have you check bugs.php.net for a bug?
22:21.26bigdog_utdo you have to have null values?
22:21.37lukfuglyes, I do
22:22.19lukfuglthe soap server I'm communicating with expects a NULL value to indicate the key should be deleted from the database
22:22.36lukfuglbut if the key => NULL pair doesn't come through, the key is left as is
22:26.16bigdog_utlukfugl, what method are you using?
22:27.05lukfuglbigdog_ut: what do you mean?
22:27.15bigdog_uthow are you doing the serialization?
22:28.47bigdog_utmacnewbold, did you get that question?
22:28.57macnewboldah
22:29.24bigdog_utlukfugl, is it when you create the soapclient object?
22:29.45lukfuglsimplification:
22:29.48lukfugl$client = new SoapClient( ... );
22:29.49lukfugl$client->updateValues( $addresses );
22:29.51lukfuglprint($client->__getLastRequest());
22:31.19lukfuglthe SoapClient instantiation uses a wsdl file, but the WSDL leaves it freeform for that parameter (mostly because I don't know to specify a map in WSDL -- yes, I'm writing both server and client)
22:31.55bigdog_utmy question is what function is messing up
22:32.05bigdog_utmacnewbold, are you still reading?
22:32.21bigdog_utmacnewbold, <bigdog_ut> i have the uphpu-eclipse-linux-gtk zip file i need to put on uphpu...dont you have access?
22:34.37macnewbolddoh
22:34.38macnewboldsorry
22:34.45macnewboldyeah I do
22:34.45bigdog_utlol
22:34.48bigdog_utk
22:34.54macnewboldbut wade still has to put it in the right place and link it in
22:35.00bigdog_utoh
22:35.06bigdog_utthen i can wait for wade
22:35.08macnewboldk
22:35.21macnewboldhow long will the upload take? (i.e. how big is it?)
22:35.45bigdog_ut34M
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