| 00:05.25 | mindjuju | k, so wait, so when you say select addr_3 and next request is substring(addr_3,1,1) your just asking for the first character to see if it is 0, right? |
| 00:06.03 | macnewbold | yes |
| 00:06.24 | macnewbold | mindjuju: I just need to do a boolean compare of the first char in the field with the char "0" and use that to sort the results |
| 00:06.37 | macnewbold | I'm stumped |
| 00:06.52 | macnewbold | anyway, I'm headed home for the night, but I'll leave this open and check in the morning |
| 00:06.58 | mindjuju | k, i think i understand, and i've pushed everybody out of office so i can focus |
| 00:07.09 | mindjuju | i'll write something up and test it in query analyzer to make sure it works |
| 00:08.28 | macnewbold | thanks a bunch, mindjuju |
| 00:08.51 | macnewbold | if this works, you've earned your self at least 1-2 solid "you owe me"s |
| 00:09.11 | mindjuju | sounds good |
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| 01:38.00 | feutetejsd | Hello everyone--I need to make some decisions about software versions to run on a production server. I definitely want to use PHP 5, but need some suggestions on whether to run Apache 1.3 or 2. Any thoughts/experiences? |
| 01:43.52 | tierra | if you don't need apache 2 for any specific reason, 1.3 seems to do the job a little bit better aparently |
| 01:44.03 | tierra | I wouldn |
| 01:44.08 | feutetejsd | that's kind of what I'm leaning towards...1.3 |
| 01:44.26 | tierra | I would argue there's not enough of a difference to make it really matter |
| 01:45.19 | tierra | you'll won't be any worse off using one or the other imho |
| 01:45.25 | feutetejsd | tierra: funny...I just asked the same question in #php and they suggested 2. However, I'm leaning more toward 1.3 |
| 01:46.07 | tierra | that kind of a question is going to be bait for trolls... |
| 01:46.18 | feutetejsd | hehe |
| 01:46.40 | feutetejsd | i don't really need 2 for anything in particular...I'll probably end up at 1.3 |
| 01:46.52 | tierra | I'm actually using 2 right now with php5 on my server... |
| 01:47.27 | tierra | but in most of my friends opinions, they all are sticking with apache 1.3 |
| 01:47.50 | feutetejsd | works for me...thanks for the advice |
| 01:48.59 | tierra | wish I could of gotten into specifics, but I've never had to slim up my server install and benchmark the two, so I can't really say it works better or worse for any specific job |
| 01:50.13 | feutetejsd | honestly, I'm more concerned about stability than performance...if 1.3 is more stable than 2 but 2 is faster, I'll go with 1.3 |
| 01:58.17 | dataw0lf | OMGZ APACHE 1.3 FOPE LYFE |
| 01:58.33 | dataw0lf | 2 is stupid and useless. |
| 01:58.37 | dataw0lf | like tierra. |
| 01:59.05 | tierra | and since dataw0lf is suggesting the same as I did, he is stoopid as well |
| 01:59.16 | dataw0lf | whatever |
| 01:59.17 | dataw0lf | stupid |
| 01:59.19 | feutetejsd | hehe |
| 01:59.30 | dataw0lf | holy cow tierra recommended 1.3.33 |
| 01:59.36 | tierra | I DID! |
| 01:59.43 | feutetejsd | allright...thanks for the suggs, guys |
| 01:59.44 | feutetejsd | LOL |
| 02:00.44 | dataw0lf | tierra: is Harm working today? |
| 02:00.50 | tierra | yeah |
| 02:01.51 | dataw0lf | watta loser |
| 02:02.10 | dataw0lf | he should be sleeping in his coffin. |
| 02:02.14 | dataw0lf | it's still light out. |
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| 04:29.32 | jsmith | Anybody wanna help me with a stupid SQL query? |
| 04:29.41 | jsmith | (I'm tired and my brain isn't working, obviously) |
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| 05:43.04 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Sure, now you show up :-) |
| 05:43.24 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Here I was, staring at a stupid SQL problem, and then you show up right after I solve it. |
| 05:43.27 | bigdog_ut | whatz up |
| 05:43.35 | jsmith | Nothing, now. |
| 05:43.35 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 05:43.43 | jsmith | My brain was just being stupid on me. |
| 05:44.11 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 05:44.20 | jsmith | (It didn't want to join five tables together with an aggregation function and a HAVING clause) |
| 05:44.32 | bigdog_ut | same here...working with pear email and trying to write a document paper on license servers in php |
| 05:44.41 | jsmith | But I beat my grey matter into submission, and now I can go to bed. |
| 05:44.56 | jsmith | Oh, sounds like loads of fun. |
| 05:45.32 | bigdog_ut | yeah...it is...i was stupid too...forgot to set up the auth in the email stuff and i was wondering why it was working for some emails and not others |
| 05:49.06 | jsmith | Well, sounds like we both need some sleep. |
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| 14:43.03 | beandog | I wonder if macnewbold ever got mssql working |
| 14:45.50 | macnewbold | beandog: not yet - that query is still being stubborn |
| 14:46.35 | beandog | Did you get that whole left thing figured out |
| 14:47.03 | beandog | where left(column, 5) = 'steve' |
| 14:48.00 | macnewbold | It would be nice if I could just do it in a where, but its got to be used in an order by |
| 14:48.07 | beandog | Oh. |
| 14:48.10 | macnewbold | but I can't even get it to work as a column in the result |
| 14:48.17 | macnewbold | left(column,1) works fine |
| 14:48.17 | beandog | That should work |
| 14:48.23 | macnewbold | but as soon as I try to compare it to something, |
| 14:48.27 | macnewbold | it says syntax error |
| 14:48.29 | beandog | can you select it as something and then order by it |
| 14:48.32 | macnewbold | I've tried like |
| 14:48.38 | macnewbold | and = |
| 14:48.41 | macnewbold | with no avail |
| 14:48.45 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, what happens when you cast it? |
| 14:48.48 | macnewbold | the problem is I don't need to order by the first char |
| 14:48.56 | macnewbold | but I need to order by the boolean result of the comparison (0 or 1) |
| 14:49.01 | beandog | Oh. |
| 14:49.19 | beandog | well, you could do two queries. heh. |
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| 14:49.28 | macnewbold | heh |
| 14:49.30 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 14:50.00 | macnewbold | I'm just busting my head over this, and can't figure out what the deal is |
| 14:50.09 | macnewbold | mindjuju was working on it with me last night a bit, and we can't get it |
| 14:50.11 | beandog | Its probably just that mssql is stupid. |
| 14:50.16 | macnewbold | what's the syntax for that cast thing? |
| 14:50.23 | beandog | cast ( column as type) |
| 14:51.26 | macnewbold | selecting this works: |
| 14:51.28 | macnewbold | addr_3, left(addr_3,1) as a3a |
| 14:52.05 | macnewbold | but this: ADDR_3, LEFT(ADDR_3,1) AS A3A , (LEFT(ADDR_3,1)='0') AS A3B |
| 14:52.15 | macnewbold | gives this: Line 1: Incorrect syntax near '='. |
| 14:52.22 | macnewbold | (where the = is the one you see there) |
| 14:52.30 | beandog | maybe you could throw in an if |
| 14:52.35 | macnewbold | eww., gross |
| 14:52.56 | macnewbold | where would you suggest I apply a cast in that? (in the a3b part) |
| 14:53.15 | beandog | ask bigdog_ut |
| 14:53.54 | beandog | I dont know why youd even use one. |
| 14:54.10 | bigdog_ut | in the comparison |
| 14:54.38 | macnewbold | cast what to what? |
| 14:54.43 | macnewbold | the '0' |
| 14:54.45 | macnewbold | or the left() |
| 14:54.46 | macnewbold | ? |
| 14:55.02 | bigdog_ut | where ever you are doing the comparison |
| 14:56.39 | macnewbold | (LEFT(ADDR_3,1)='0') AS A3B |
| 14:56.43 | macnewbold | that's the comparison I'm doing |
| 14:56.53 | macnewbold | do I cast the lhs, rhs, or the whole expr? |
| 14:57.27 | bigdog_ut | so you are finding the first char of addr_3? |
| 14:57.36 | macnewbold | yep |
| 14:57.38 | macnewbold | that works fine |
| 14:57.40 | bigdog_ut | and seeing if it is equal to '0' |
| 14:57.43 | macnewbold | yes |
| 14:57.47 | macnewbold | 0 the char, not 0 the number |
| 14:57.53 | bigdog_ut | y |
| 14:58.05 | macnewbold | (both zeroes, in case it looks like a capital O on your display) |
| 14:58.06 | bigdog_ut | so what is not working..the order by |
| 14:58.21 | beandog | that entire left expression wont work, Id guess. |
| 14:58.23 | macnewbold | I can't even get the comparison result to work as a column |
| 14:58.30 | macnewbold | the left part works fine |
| 14:58.35 | beandog | oh |
| 14:58.35 | macnewbold | but the comparison breaks it |
| 14:58.46 | macnewbold | whether I use =, or like, or anything else I've tried |
| 14:58.52 | bigdog_ut | what is the return type of the left |
| 14:59.09 | beandog | nvarchar, I think |
| 14:59.31 | beandog | Im guessing it would be the same as a the col type |
| 14:59.36 | bigdog_ut | what does the compare operator work on "=" |
| 15:00.32 | bigdog_ut | does it take nvarchar types |
| 15:00.33 | macnewbold | the left() should return a string 0-1 chars long |
| 15:00.39 | beandog | yes |
| 15:00.41 | bigdog_ut | of what type? |
| 15:00.44 | macnewbold | I believe the column i s a varchar |
| 15:00.46 | bigdog_ut | nvarchar? |
| 15:01.10 | bigdog_ut | but you need to make sure you know the type |
| 15:01.12 | macnewbold | what's the diff of varchar and nvarchar? |
| 15:01.15 | macnewbold | it's a varchar |
| 15:01.20 | macnewbold | the column, I mean |
| 15:01.26 | macnewbold | what left returns, I have no idea |
| 15:01.57 | beandog | nvarchar = unicode |
| 15:02.03 | beandog | varchar = who knows what |
| 15:02.11 | beandog | same with ntext, text |
| 15:02.34 | bigdog_ut | the compare might not work if the 2 types are different and it does not do autocasting |
| 15:02.37 | bigdog_ut | like pgsql does |
| 15:02.40 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 15:02.44 | beandog | hee hee |
| 15:02.45 | bigdog_ut | just joking about pgsql |
| 15:03.07 | bigdog_ut | but do make sure the types are the same on both sides of the "=" operator |
| 15:03.36 | beandog | you could explicitly cast it if you wanted to |
| 15:03.54 | bigdog_ut | yes...that is my point...one might need casting |
| 15:03.59 | beandog | cast( (left(col, 0) = 0) as varchar) |
| 15:04.04 | beandog | er |
| 15:04.05 | beandog | '0' |
| 15:04.06 | macnewbold | no |
| 15:04.19 | macnewbold | the whole result can't cast to a varchar |
| 15:04.29 | macnewbold | becaues the result of the compare should be boolean |
| 15:04.32 | macnewbold | not varchar |
| 15:04.36 | bigdog_ut | cast((left(col,0)) as varchar = '0' |
| 15:04.46 | macnewbold | nothing in here is unicode, btw |
| 15:04.54 | macnewbold | k |
| 15:04.57 | beandog | the as varchar is in the parantheses, bigdog_ut |
| 15:04.57 | macnewbold | I'll try that |
| 15:05.08 | beandog | otherwise no workie |
| 15:05.31 | macnewbold | (CAST(LEFT(ADDR_3,1) AS VARCHAR)='0') |
| 15:05.36 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 15:05.38 | macnewbold | Line 1: Incorrect syntax near '='. |
| 15:05.42 | macnewbold | :( |
| 15:05.45 | beandog | heh |
| 15:06.00 | beandog | that sucks |
| 15:06.29 | bigdog_ut | (CAST(LEFT(ADDR_3,1) AS VARCHAR)='0') as A3B |
| 15:07.03 | macnewbold | huh? |
| 15:07.09 | macnewbold | that's the same, isn't it? |
| 15:07.19 | macnewbold | the as a3b was there, I just didn't paste it |
| 15:07.44 | beandog | That statement doesnt even make sense to me still |
| 15:08.31 | bigdog_ut | where is the whole query? |
| 15:09.30 | macnewbold | okay, you asked for it: ;) |
| 15:09.32 | macnewbold | SELECT ID, NAME, CONTACT_FIRST_NAME, CONTACT_LAST_NAME, CONTACT_EMAIL, ADDR_1, ADDR_2, CITY, STATE, ZIPCODE, COUNTRY, SALESREP_ID, USER_5, OPEN_DATE, MODIFY_DATE ,ADDR_3, LEFT(ADDR_3,1) AS A3A , (CAST(LEFT(ADDR_3,1) AS VARCHAR)='0') AS A3B FROM CUSTOMER WHERE (CONTACT_FIRST_NAME LIKE '%MAC%' AND CONTACT_LAST_NAME LIKE '%NEWBOLD%') ORDER BY ID DESC Msg: Line 1: Incorrect syntax near '='. |
| 15:09.52 | macnewbold | it works fine (i.e. no syntax err) when the a3b part isn't there |
| 15:10.19 | macnewbold | What I need is to sort the query result so that |
| 15:10.19 | beandog | bleh. Just sort it out in your script. |
| 15:10.51 | macnewbold | if there are any addr_3 fields that start with 0, they come last |
| 15:11.05 | macnewbold | I'm not pulling all the results, just the first one |
| 15:11.10 | macnewbold | thus the need for the sort order |
| 15:11.21 | beandog | cant you just order by that column then |
| 15:11.29 | beandog | The blanks should be first |
| 15:11.49 | macnewbold | well, it's not blank vs non-blank, it's "starts with 0" vs "everything else, blank or not" |
| 15:11.58 | macnewbold | it might have data in it |
| 15:12.05 | macnewbold | but starting with 0 means something special |
| 15:12.06 | bigdog_ut | and you want those last? |
| 15:12.11 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 15:12.17 | macnewbold | If there is one that doesn't start with 0, |
| 15:12.22 | macnewbold | I need it to be the first one I grab |
| 15:12.29 | macnewbold | and only take something that starts with 0 |
| 15:12.32 | macnewbold | as a last resort |
| 15:12.32 | beandog | oh |
| 15:12.43 | beandog | havent these people ever heard of booleans |
| 15:12.51 | macnewbold | if I really really need to, I can just "where" it, if that comparison will work in a where clause |
| 15:13.07 | bigdog_ut | what happens when you order by A3B again? |
| 15:13.13 | macnewbold | this whole project is a pain |
| 15:13.21 | macnewbold | I can't order by a3b because it gives the syntax error |
| 15:13.31 | macnewbold | I've also tried putting the left/comparison thing in the orderby directly, |
| 15:13.35 | macnewbold | and it does the same error there |
| 15:13.43 | macnewbold | that's what I can't fathom |
| 15:13.48 | macnewbold | they all say they can take expressions |
| 15:13.50 | macnewbold | but when I use one |
| 15:13.59 | macnewbold | it chokes on the = or the "like" |
| 15:14.07 | macnewbold | no matter what part the comparison is in |
| 15:15.21 | macnewbold | okay, this stinks |
| 15:15.23 | bigdog_ut | what happens when you order by on addr_3 only? |
| 15:15.30 | macnewbold | when I put "and (left(addr_3,1)='0')" in the where |
| 15:15.31 | macnewbold | it works fine |
| 15:15.36 | macnewbold | so it must not be a type issue |
| 15:15.43 | beandog | right |
| 15:15.44 | macnewbold | at least not with the comparison |
| 15:15.49 | beandog | well that part makes sense |
| 15:15.49 | macnewbold | but if I put that same thing |
| 15:15.59 | macnewbold | as a column, it says it's an error |
| 15:16.02 | beandog | Ooh |
| 15:16.04 | macnewbold | same if I put it in the ordre by |
| 15:16.05 | beandog | what about having |
| 15:16.19 | macnewbold | no, having isn't (and shouldn't) be there |
| 15:16.22 | macnewbold | since it isn't a join |
| 15:16.27 | beandog | Oh. |
| 15:16.31 | macnewbold | that's no different for me than a where |
| 15:16.34 | macnewbold | which is how it is now |
| 15:16.40 | beandog | Shouldnt the left return a boolean |
| 15:16.46 | beandog | er. |
| 15:16.47 | beandog | wait. |
| 15:17.02 | macnewbold | what's the type for boolean |
| 15:17.05 | macnewbold | ? |
| 15:17.08 | beandog | Is there a way to select a boolean |
| 15:17.08 | beandog | bit |
| 15:17.11 | macnewbold | or do I want int (0/1) |
| 15:17.12 | macnewbold | ? |
| 15:17.22 | beandog | and just order by if it is in there or not |
| 15:17.43 | beandog | like substring or something |
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| 15:18.27 | beandog | what about order by isnumeric (left, col, 1) |
| 15:18.28 | beandog | or something |
| 15:18.43 | macnewbold | hm |
| 15:18.52 | macnewbold | what would isnumeric get me? |
| 15:19.01 | beandog | ISNUMERIC returns 1 when the input expression evaluates to a valid integer, floating point number, money or decimal type; otherwise it returns 0. A return value of 1 guarantees that expression can be converted to one of these numeric types. |
| 15:19.08 | macnewbold | I still need to be able to differentiate between 0 and 1-9 |
| 15:20.05 | macnewbold | this is driving me nuts |
| 15:20.11 | macnewbold | this should be a simple thing |
| 15:20.16 | macnewbold | but apparently not with mssql |
| 15:21.14 | beandog | if only they had regular expressions |
| 15:21.30 | beandog | you might be able to do where regexp(address, '^0') |
| 15:21.49 | macnewbold | well, the comparison with left() works fine in the where |
| 15:21.51 | beandog | er, order by |
| 15:21.56 | macnewbold | but that's a different result set |
| 15:22.07 | macnewbold | I'd really like to get it working in orderby |
| 15:22.17 | macnewbold | but I'm about to give up before I do something stupid |
| 15:22.21 | scott | anyone know of a good but simple job tracker? one of my coworkers wants me to write one for him, but I'd rather not write it if a good one already exists. basically people create contacts, insert jobs, and then he views them and makes any notes of what he did and clicks done or whatever. |
| 15:22.51 | macnewbold | scott: like simple invoicing or something? or like a request tracker? |
| 15:23.26 | scott | request tracker |
| 15:24.51 | macnewbold | hm |
| 15:24.53 | macnewbold | ORDER BY NOT (ADDR_3 LIKE '0%'), ID DESC Msg: Incorrect syntax near the keyword 'NOT'. |
| 15:25.11 | beandog | Hmm, is there any easy way to see why a cron job failed |
| 15:25.13 | macnewbold | scott: I've been loving flyspray - http://flyspray.rocks.cc/ |
| 15:25.36 | macnewbold | beandog: usually it sends mail if there was output, and puts entries in syslog |
| 15:25.47 | macnewbold | in mine there's /var/log/messages and /var/log/cron, iirc |
| 15:26.00 | beandog | doh, cron.log. |
| 15:26.01 | beandog | thanks |
| 15:26.22 | bigdog_ut | drip, that preflight checklist is so funny |
| 15:30.00 | drip | lol.. yeah |
| 15:31.05 | macnewbold | scott: the flyspray team is actively developing, and very responsive to requests and bug reports, too |
| 15:31.47 | macnewbold | if you choose it, I highly recommend the devel version (0.9.8) over the latest release (0.9.7 in Jan'05) |
| 15:38.57 | beandog | I guess dcron doesnt handle @daily |
| 15:39.22 | beandog | but it keeps logs, and I cant figure out where vcron keeps its logs |
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| 15:48.47 | macnewbold | are you running two different crons, beandog? |
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| 15:50.43 | beandog | No |
| 15:50.50 | beandog | Switching between them, trying to figure out which works better |
| 15:51.02 | macnewbold | ah |
| 15:51.20 | macnewbold | isn't cron just one of those things that either works or it doesn't? ;) |
| 15:51.27 | macnewbold | i've heard good things about anacron |
| 15:51.34 | macnewbold | but some people curse it for the same reason |
| 15:51.39 | beandog | well anacron needs a cron job to run it |
| 15:51.52 | macnewbold | (if a cron job is missed cause the computer was down, for example, it runs it later) |
| 15:52.01 | beandog | Ill give it a whirl |
| 15:52.12 | macnewbold | what do you mean? on ours we just had anacron as our only cron daemon, IIRC |
| 15:52.24 | macnewbold | I believe it was the default on rh73 or whatever it was |
| 15:52.38 | beandog | Anacron is not a cron daemon, it is something that usually works in conjunction with one. It executes commands at intervals specified in days and it does not assume that the system is running continuously; it will run jobs that were missed while the system was down. Anacron usually relies on a cron daemon to run it each day. |
| 15:52.41 | macnewbold | FreeBSD's cron is just dandy, so I've never used anything but its default |
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| 15:52.49 | beandog | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cron-guide.xml |
| 15:52.52 | macnewbold | hm |
| 15:53.04 | macnewbold | that doesn't jive with what my experience with it was |
| 15:53.16 | macnewbold | maybe we're the exception to the "usually" part in there... |
| 15:53.34 | macnewbold | ~seen fungus |
| 15:53.35 | jbot | fungus <~fungus@2001:470:1f00:645:20a:95ff:fec5:636a> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 13d 15h 59m 47s ago, saying: 'yeah!'. |
| 15:53.39 | macnewbold | wow |
| 15:53.50 | macnewbold | fell off the planet or something, I guess |
| 15:54.18 | beandog | oh, vixie logs to messages |
| 15:54.19 | beandog | ok |
| 16:05.51 | macnewbold | you can change your syslog.conf if you want to send it elsewhere |
| 16:10.19 | beandog | really? |
| 16:11.19 | beandog | thats good to know |
| 16:19.24 | dataw0lf|w | send it to a vt mmm |
| 16:19.55 | macnewbold | did everyone here? there's probably going to be donuts at tonight's meeting |
| 16:20.06 | dataw0lf|w | oooh, sweet. |
| 16:20.09 | dataw0lf|w | morning mac |
| 16:20.16 | dataw0lf|w | morning beandog |
| 16:21.55 | macnewbold | howdy, dataw0lf|w |
| 16:24.05 | scott | anyone from provo going to the meeting tonight? |
| 16:26.56 | macnewbold | I hope not... those provo guys are all really weird |
| 16:27.01 | macnewbold | ;) j/k |
| 16:28.14 | beandog | morning dataw0lf|w |
| 16:28.22 | jsmith | Once again, you guys decide to have a meeting when I can't come :-( |
| 16:28.33 | beandog | which meeting is tonight? |
| 16:28.47 | beandog | uphpu or phlyte |
| 16:29.38 | dataw0lf|w | uphpu |
| 16:29.52 | beandog | whats it on? I dont see anything ont he website about it |
| 16:30.33 | dataw0lf|w | some losers are doing a presentation on linux security and system administration |
| 16:30.54 | dataw0lf|w | http://uphpu.org/calendar_event.php?eid=20050526165209351 |
| 16:31.08 | macnewbold | it's in the events section in the right column on the site |
| 16:31.19 | macnewbold | jsmith: when can you come? |
| 16:31.25 | beandog | Security? Thats just for weenies who use *BSD |
| 16:31.52 | macnewbold | psha |
| 16:31.53 | jsmith | macnewbold: Uh... well... some Thursdays, or Saturday mornings... |
| 16:31.58 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 16:32.01 | beandog | Is it just me or is the website totally whacked in mozilla |
| 16:32.03 | jsmith | macnewbold: I realize I'm the one with the crazy schedule. |
| 16:32.05 | macnewbold | k, well you can come to Phlyte meetings then |
| 16:32.11 | jsmith | macnewbold: Cool... |
| 16:39.08 | beandog | So is anyone bringing donuts? :) |
| 16:39.31 | mindjuju | mac, sorry i'm late, working banker hours today. I did some work on your query and I think i'm a smidge closer, but just had a question on the binary. you said the binary string is being stored as a varchar, right? or is it being stored as varbinary or some other binary field? |
| 16:39.35 | macnewbold | yeah, I think so, beandog |
| 16:39.39 | macnewbold | mindjuju: no prob |
| 16:39.41 | macnewbold | thanks a bunch |
| 16:39.47 | macnewbold | yeah, it's a varchar |
| 16:39.55 | beandog | macnewbold: did you ever figure out what to do with your query? |
| 16:40.00 | mindjuju | k, cause here is a prob and you'll need to check |
| 16:40.05 | macnewbold | shoot it in the head |
| 16:40.08 | beandog | oh, n/m |
| 16:40.18 | mindjuju | if stored as a binary field type it is going to have a 0x prefix |
| 16:40.26 | macnewbold | no, it's not binary at all |
| 16:40.28 | macnewbold | it's just a varchar |
| 16:40.31 | macnewbold | text strig |
| 16:40.39 | macnewbold | s/g/ng/ |
| 16:40.40 | mindjuju | k, just double checking |
| 16:41.08 | mindjuju | so, just a little more info on the ordering |
| 16:41.26 | mindjuju | if it is 0 then how should the ordering be affected? |
| 16:41.46 | macnewbold | if the field starts with 0, those rows should be last |
| 16:41.56 | macnewbold | i.e. the first rows should not start with 0 in that field |
| 16:45.15 | mindjuju | so let me ask a goofy question, why wouldn't ORDER BY ADDR_3 DESC not work? |
| 16:45.49 | macnewbold | because it's only the ones that start with 0 that are special |
| 16:46.04 | macnewbold | anything else, whether blank, 123, letters, or whatever, needs to come first |
| 16:46.18 | macnewbold | but a regular alphanumeric sort would not do that |
| 16:46.28 | beandog | So he just wants to sort by the boolean value of whether or not it starts with a zero. |
| 16:47.53 | macnewbold | yep |
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| 16:57.57 | mindjuju | k, i'm stumped on the ordering on a conditional without doing a bunch of wacked out stuff, sooo.... i'm going to farm out the question to a group of pros that haven't let me down in this area |
| 16:58.01 | mindjuju | just a quick question |
| 16:58.09 | mindjuju | Is this MS SQL 6.5 or 2k? |
| 16:58.25 | mindjuju | the transact SQL is a smidge different so might make a difference |
| 17:01.40 | macnewbold | hm |
| 17:01.46 | macnewbold | mindjuju: 2k iirc |
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| 17:15.38 | macnewbold | so anyone want to carpool from slc to the meeting? |
| 17:16.15 | dataw0lf|w | hehe, yeah, I might need a ride. :) |
| 17:16.37 | mindjuju | i hate to brag, but the meeting is actually on my way home, and I work 10 minutes the long way from work. Literally, live on one side of the point, work on the other side of the point, PHP meeting at the top of the point |
| 17:17.12 | mindjuju | but those project meetings! i'm half way to park city to get there! |
| 17:17.39 | macnewbold | yeah, yeah. |
| 17:17.42 | macnewbold | whatever :) |
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| 17:36.48 | jm_ul|w | I'm using php5 and i was reading about an ini setting called track_vars but I can't find it in my ini file. I take it that it's an old setting? I know it has to do with HTTP_GET_VARS and HTTP_POST_VARS. |
| 17:38.05 | jm_ul|w | Also, is someone going to be audio recording the meeting tonight? (LinuxNetworx) |
| 17:53.22 | macnewbold | jm_ul|w: you could ask greygnome |
| 17:53.30 | greygnome | I will |
| 17:53.56 | macnewbold | jm_ul|w: HTTP_{GET,POST}_VARS are deprecated - try $_REQUEST, $_GET, or $_POST instead |
| 17:54.36 | macnewbold | so mindjuju, beandog, bigdog_ut: I think we found the issue with the mssql query |
| 17:54.42 | macnewbold | the field is often null |
| 17:54.45 | macnewbold | instead of a blank string |
| 17:58.18 | jm_ul|w | thx mac |
| 17:59.32 | jm_ul|w | I've been using request, get and post all along. I had just come across another section that talked about track_var. |
| 18:08.15 | beandog | that would explain it. |
| 18:09.29 | macnewbold | that's one reason why all _my_ varchar fields are declared NOT NULL |
| 18:10.45 | beandog | a good practice, ive decided. |
| 18:18.28 | macnewbold | so dataw0lf|w, if you end up wanting a ride, let me know |
| 18:21.30 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: jea, I probably will, what time would you be taking off? |
| 18:22.01 | macnewbold | if you're at work, leaving there by 6:30 would probably have us there in plenty of time, but we could leave a little sooner if you want, since you're presenting |
| 18:22.28 | macnewbold | anyone seen fungus lately? He usually goes too |
| 18:22.42 | dataw0lf|w | he just got his car, so he probably is in Canada smoking the reefer by now. |
| 18:22.47 | dataw0lf|w | what a hippie. |
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| 18:24.35 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: I'm living on 33rd South and ~15 E now, is that too far out of your way? |
| 18:25.03 | macnewbold | no |
| 18:25.07 | macnewbold | not really |
| 18:25.26 | dataw0lf|w | would you be leaving from your work over there at that real estate place? |
| 18:25.53 | macnewbold | the donuts if I get them are on 600 E and 2100 S, but other than that, it's not a problem to get to your place |
| 18:26.21 | macnewbold | I'm still not decided if, or in what order, I'll make the stop for the donuts |
| 18:26.43 | dataw0lf|w | I guess we can just meet up at my place then, I'll give you some gas money. |
| 18:26.54 | macnewbold | no problem at all |
| 18:26.58 | macnewbold | it's not a big deal |
| 18:27.09 | dataw0lf|w | nah, I'll feel better if I give you some gas money. |
| 18:27.12 | macnewbold | quick poll: who wants donuts at tonight's meeting? |
| 18:27.14 | greygnome | Mmmmmmm, donuts as greygnome drools on his bib. |
| 18:27.33 | macnewbold | okay then, it's unanimous :) |
| 18:27.45 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 18:27.52 | macnewbold | I'll figure something out |
| 18:29.03 | greygnome | Oo, oo, oo! Can I have jsmith's donut Mr. Kotter? |
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| 18:48.52 | greygnome | w00t |
| 18:49.51 | mindjuju | And now, the news.... |
| 18:49.53 | mindjuju | Zoinks! Now that's a box that I might actually upgrade to - Mactel |
| 18:49.54 | mindjuju | http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1828265,00.asp |
| 18:49.54 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.54 | mindjuju | Thems fightin' words! Linux refered to as Garbage! |
| 18:49.54 | mindjuju | http://www.developerpipeline.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=164901219 |
| 18:50.09 | mindjuju | A new face on toast |
| 18:50.10 | mindjuju | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4114248.stm |
| 18:50.10 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.10 | mindjuju | Leftover burgers used to solve crime! |
| 18:50.10 | mindjuju | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050621/ap_on_fe_st/dna_burger |
| 18:50.15 | mindjuju | Treat of the week |
| 18:50.15 | mindjuju | http://www.stupid.com/stat/FLSH.html |
| 18:51.31 | mindjuju | And by the way, the OS users refering to Linux as being "garbage" wasn't Microsoft |
| 18:54.41 | mindjuju | oh wow, didn't read the whole article on Linux all the way thorugh, some pretty heavy slams in there |
| 18:54.50 | mindjuju | the original article in forbes is here |
| 18:54.51 | mindjuju | http://www.forbes.com/intelligentinfrastructure/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616theo.html |
| 19:06.50 | jm_ul|w | that theo guy seems like he's on a warpath |
| 19:07.11 | mindjuju | yup |
| 19:07.28 | scott | exactly, essentially the article is just him ranting |
| 19:08.44 | jm_ul|w | anyone here run anthing bsd'ish |
| 19:08.56 | scott | is he the lead on OpenBSD or just a participant? you'd think he'd be more mature. |
| 19:09.11 | dataw0lf|w | lead. |
| 19:09.24 | dataw0lf|w | he developed OpenSSH too, he's been crazy for quite a while now. |
| 19:09.45 | dataw0lf|w | that's why nobody uses OpenBSD. The NetBSD guys kicked him off their CVS a while back, that was good times. |
| 19:09.45 | beandog | Whats really weird is didnt he say in an article just the other day that hes never even used Linux? |
| 19:09.52 | dataw0lf|w | beandog: yeah. |
| 19:10.06 | beandog | Weird. |
| 19:10.18 | cycokilr | think about what he's saying though.. at least 80% is true about linux.. |
| 19:10.54 | jm_ul|w | he took somethings out of context though....just like anyone on a rant I suppose |
| 19:10.58 | beandog | I didnt even read what he said, just heard that he hates it |
| 19:11.08 | cycokilr | what did he take out of context? |
| 19:11.11 | dataw0lf|w | he rants, thats all the guy does. |
| 19:11.27 | dataw0lf|w | cycokilr: you're going to take anything seriously when he's comparing how many women the two 'sides' get ? |
| 19:11.32 | dataw0lf|w | have you ever seen a BSD guy? |
| 19:11.33 | dataw0lf|w | :) |
| 19:11.34 | dataw0lf|w | case closed. |
| 19:11.51 | scott | the last paragraph is super lame. that's what comments are for. |
| 19:11.53 | mindjuju | i knew you'd have words to say about that point |
| 19:11.54 | cycokilr | this might be the only untrue thing: BSD guys are a lot like Linux guys, except they have kissed girls. |
| 19:11.55 | macnewbold | huh? |
| 19:12.04 | macnewbold | BSD Rocks |
| 19:12.46 | cycokilr | that last <p> isn't even theo.. |
| 19:12.49 | dataw0lf|w | "Linux people do what they do because they hate Microsoft. We do what we do because we love Unix" |
| 19:13.00 | dataw0lf|w | it sounds like you do what you do because you hate Linux, Theo. |
| 19:13.03 | dataw0lf|w | fyi. |
| 19:13.16 | cycokilr | no it doesn't |
| 19:13.19 | dataw0lf|w | and I don't do what I do because I hate MS, I do what I do because I hate Apple. |
| 19:13.50 | mindjuju | mac, did you see that they posted a reply |
| 19:13.53 | beandog | Who cares why anyone does anything |
| 19:14.08 | beandog | Er, I didnt mean that as it sounded. |
| 19:14.33 | beandog | Personally, I love Linux for its practicality. I can get some actual work done. |
| 19:14.42 | beandog | Windows ties your hands too much |
| 19:14.52 | cycokilr | how so? |
| 19:15.04 | beandog | I hate using a gui. |
| 19:15.11 | cycokilr | cmd.exe man.. |
| 19:15.13 | beandog | I'm shell boy. |
| 19:15.13 | dataw0lf|w | um. |
| 19:15.17 | dataw0lf|w | cmd.exe? |
| 19:15.17 | beandog | :) |
| 19:15.20 | beandog | yah, with dos's 8 commands. |
| 19:15.21 | cycokilr | or bash.exe |
| 19:15.29 | dataw0lf|w | that's better. |
| 19:15.35 | beandog | Running cygwin under windows only makes you hate windows even more. |
| 19:15.36 | dataw0lf|w | so, you're going to use non native tools to do the job? |
| 19:15.37 | dataw0lf|w | screw that. |
| 19:16.07 | cycokilr | you don't have to run cygwin to use linux utils on windows.. |
| 19:16.18 | beandog | shell boy does. |
| 19:16.32 | dataw0lf|w | Windows 1) less stable 2) you show me how to get iptables working on Windows 3) show me how to turn off icmp echo 4) show me how to enable sysrq 5) get me the source code to Windows |
| 19:16.34 | dataw0lf|w | Then I'll use it |
| 19:16.37 | dataw0lf|w | Until then. |
| 19:16.42 | beandog | Anyway, its an argument not even worth explaining. Its clear to everyone that Windows restricts your options signifcantly. |
| 19:16.56 | beandog | Comparatively. |
| 19:17.25 | cycokilr | you can turn off echo reply.. |
| 19:17.27 | cycokilr | on windows.. |
| 19:17.29 | dataw0lf|w | how? |
| 19:17.31 | beandog | I use Linux not because I hate Microsoft (though I do), but because I cant get any work done with windows. |
| 19:17.36 | cycokilr | in the registry.. |
| 19:17.39 | dataw0lf|w | where? |
| 19:18.09 | cycokilr | here you go.. no cygwin install necessary: http://bobscable.ath.cx/download/lnx_utils/ |
| 19:18.29 | beandog | I like cygwin |
| 19:18.32 | beandog | I dont use JUST bash. |
| 19:18.53 | dataw0lf|w | how do you turn of icmp echo in the registry cycokilr? |
| 19:18.57 | scott | HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE_CURRENT_USER_ROOT_DUDE_CONFIG/Software/Microsoft/Windows/Cool Stuff/More/Hardware/Security/Echo/Reply |
| 19:19.08 | beandog | lol |
| 19:19.24 | cycokilr | dataw0lf|w: actually, you don't even have to do it in the reg anymore.. it's in the firewall stuff.. |
| 19:19.26 | dataw0lf|w | the point, of course, is I don't know how to do it. |
| 19:19.33 | dataw0lf|w | but I do in Linux. |
| 19:19.39 | dataw0lf|w | so that's why I use Linux. I know it. |
| 19:19.46 | cycokilr | nice job man.. |
| 19:20.24 | jm_ul|w | does jbot do some sort of applause |
| 19:20.27 | jm_ul|w | heh |
| 19:20.30 | dataw0lf|w | ~applaud |
| 19:20.32 | jbot | *clapclapclapclapclapclapclap!* |
| 19:20.33 | beandog | ~clap |
| 19:20.34 | jbot | [clap] "clip clap clop everyone claps file[laptop]'s amazing dancing and bkw_'s amazing singing" |
| 19:20.39 | jm_ul|w | heh |
| 19:22.06 | dataw0lf|w | ok, I think the presentation is finished. |
| 19:22.08 | dataw0lf|w | ~applaud |
| 19:22.09 | jbot | *clapclapclapclapclapclapclap!* |
| 19:22.13 | beandog | heh |
| 19:22.31 | beandog | ~bow |
| 19:22.32 | jbot | ACTION bows |
| 19:23.55 | dataw0lf|w | who's all going to be at the meeting tonight? |
| 19:24.01 | cycokilr | the one thing i do miss in windows is tail -f |
| 19:24.23 | cycokilr | i'm going to try to make it.. |
| 19:24.50 | scott | bash.exe - Unable to locate Component This application has failed to start because cygwin1.dll was not found. |
| 19:25.01 | cycokilr | yeah, you gotta have the dll in the dir with it.. |
| 19:25.21 | scott | ahh, I see |
| 19:32.30 | cycokilr | well nevermind.. tail -f works on windows.. |
| 19:34.02 | dataw0lf|w | what does the windows 'firewall' do with packets? drop or reject? |
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| 19:34.38 | cycokilr | don't know.. check it out: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/security/internet/sp2_wfintro.mspx |
| 19:36.12 | macnewbold | dataw0lf|w: I'll be at the meeting :) |
| 19:36.50 | macnewbold | If for nothing else, I'll be there to heckle you and bigdog_ut... |
| 19:41.48 | dataw0lf|w | :) |
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| 19:42.55 | dataw0lf|w | tierra: what's our address ? |
| 19:43.19 | tierra | 1594 E 3300 S |
| 19:43.26 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: yeah, so that's where I live ;) |
| 19:43.34 | dataw0lf|w | tierra: thanks. |
| 19:43.52 | dataw0lf|w | sorry for going to bed early last night, I was tired++ |
| 19:44.48 | greygnome | I'll be there |
| 19:45.06 | tierra | I couldn't sleep last night... laid in bed for 3 hours |
| 19:45.11 | tierra | sucked |
| 19:45.25 | dataw0lf|w | word. |
| 19:45.26 | tierra | finally got to sleep about 7:00am |
| 19:45.30 | dataw0lf|w | watch any Sopranos? |
| 19:45.34 | tierra | na |
| 19:45.37 | tierra | not yet |
| 19:49.02 | dataw0lf|w | word, come by my place when you get off and mebbe we can watch some. |
| 19:49.21 | tierra | alright... |
| 19:49.43 | tierra | you doing a presentation tonight? |
| 19:50.07 | dataw0lf|w | jup. |
| 19:50.27 | tierra | is bigdog_ut going to be able to make it? |
| 19:50.38 | dataw0lf|w | jup. |
| 19:51.35 | bigdog_ut | no tierra |
| 19:51.45 | bigdog_ut | it is all you tonight |
| 19:52.33 | tierra | well, that sucks for you guys then, cuz I'm running on 4 hours of sleep and if you didn't notice, I got into work pretty late today, so chances are I won't be able to make it down |
| 19:52.47 | tierra | hehe |
| 19:53.56 | bigdog_ut | sucker |
| 19:54.02 | drip | =/ |
| 19:54.23 | drip | i'd never live down not going to my daughter's first recital |
| 19:54.24 | drip | lol |
| 19:54.28 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w, that is all you have in the presentation? |
| 20:04.56 | dataw0lf|w | what, that's not good? |
| 20:05.14 | dataw0lf|w | I don't just flip through slides, you know. |
| 20:08.12 | macnewbold | dataw0lf|w: so you live where tierra lives? If tierra hasn't moved in the last several months, then I know where that is |
| 20:08.24 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, I live there. |
| 20:08.48 | macnewbold | cool |
| 20:08.57 | macnewbold | drip: what kind of recital is it? |
| 20:09.13 | drip | it's a dance recital |
| 20:09.16 | macnewbold | and how old are the people performing? |
| 20:09.24 | drip | and my daughter is 3 1/2 |
| 20:09.24 | macnewbold | well, at least you won't need earplugs |
| 20:09.27 | macnewbold | ah, fun |
| 20:09.30 | drip | he he |
| 20:09.31 | macnewbold | so it will be enjoyable |
| 20:09.39 | drip | yeah.. she's dressing up as snow white |
| 20:09.49 | macnewbold | what kind of dance is it? not modern, I hope... |
| 20:10.07 | drip | no.. nothing to extravagent.. |
| 20:10.11 | drip | especially since she's so young |
| 20:10.12 | drip | =) |
| 20:10.32 | drip | although she does do an "electric boogie" in it. |
| 20:10.33 | drip | lol |
| 20:11.05 | drip | which kind of reminds me of the old fish move where you plug your nose and slowly bend over. |
| 20:11.14 | drip | but instead just boogie down towards the floor |
| 20:11.39 | drip | they won't let us bring our cameras though |
| 20:11.45 | drip | charging $25 for the taping of it. |
| 20:11.49 | drip | if you want it. |
| 20:12.08 | drip | anything to make a buck these days. |
| 20:12.16 | drip | Hell, that's more than a Disney movie! |
| 20:12.37 | drip | and all for about 30 seconds that I would care about. |
| 20:13.30 | dataw0lf|w | that's terrible |
| 20:14.05 | macnewbold | drip: that's pretty rediculous |
| 20:14.12 | dataw0lf|w | hey, who knows, maybe it'll be up for torrent |
| 20:14.13 | macnewbold | you should all boycott the video taping |
| 20:14.13 | dataw0lf|w | ;) |
| 20:14.20 | drip | he he |
| 20:14.20 | macnewbold | or get someone to bootleg it for you |
| 20:14.28 | macnewbold | yeah, torrent would do the trick |
| 20:14.30 | drip | i would just have one person buy it.. then copy the dvd |
| 20:14.34 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 20:14.35 | drip | pass it out to everyone |
| 20:14.37 | dataw0lf|w | hehe, word |
| 20:14.37 | macnewbold | oh, it's dvd already? |
| 20:14.41 | drip | yeah |
| 20:14.42 | macnewbold | torrent all the way, my friend |
| 20:14.43 | drip | lol |
| 20:15.02 | macnewbold | offer burned copies for $1-2 each for the cost of duplication |
| 20:16.08 | macnewbold | my oldest son is 3.5 yrs old too, so it's a fun age |
| 20:17.04 | drip | yeah |
| 20:17.17 | drip | but it's going to be interesting to see the kids dancing around tonight |
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| 20:17.26 | drip | i know there's going to be all kind of wandering, etc. |
| 20:17.27 | drip | =) |
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| 20:20.32 | dataw0lf|w | anyone know 'good' values for the FAST tcp_vegas* sys parameters? |
| 20:20.59 | drip | yeah.. they said they can charge more because it's going to be filmed using TWO cameras and the person doing it is from hollywood. Oh.. and there will be interviews!!! |
| 20:21.16 | drip | like I want an interview of the teacher who we won't be taking our daughter to anymore |
| 20:21.18 | macnewbold | oh boy oh boy |
| 20:21.26 | dataw0lf|w | I know it's supposed to be gamma < alpha < beta |
| 20:21.47 | macnewbold | there are lots of bums that are from hollywood... it doesn't mean anything about their skillz with film |
| 20:22.15 | drip | exactly |
| 20:22.37 | macnewbold | what they _should_ be saying is it's going to cost $300 to film, and the cost will be split by all the buyers, plus $1/disc for manufacturing |
| 20:22.48 | macnewbold | so 30 parents = $11 total per dvd |
| 20:22.59 | macnewbold | or 10 parents = $31 total per dvd |
| 20:23.12 | drip | nah.. just let me bring in my camera. =) |
| 20:23.26 | drip | if i want to buy the "professional" version i can have that option |
| 20:23.41 | macnewbold | yeah, no kidding |
| 20:23.57 | macnewbold | and you can do your _own_ interview, with the _real_ star of the show |
| 20:24.14 | drip | while eating ice cream =) |
| 20:24.20 | macnewbold | yup |
| 20:24.28 | macnewbold | mmm, ice cream |
| 20:24.34 | drip | Mmm.. frosted rock |
| 20:24.43 | dataw0lf|w | mmmm.. FAST kernel parameters. |
| 20:24.47 | macnewbold | we need to get some of that to the next uphpu meeting |
| 20:24.48 | drip | ooooh |
| 20:24.48 | dataw0lf|w | anyone got a clue regarding questions above? |
| 20:24.57 | macnewbold | whose questions? |
| 20:25.01 | dataw0lf|w | mine. |
| 20:25.07 | macnewbold | who's questions, I mean? |
| 20:25.08 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 20:25.16 | drip | [2:23:pm] <dataw0lf|w> anyone know 'good' values for the FAST tcp_vegas* sys parameters? |
| 20:25.45 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w, that info is in the header files documenation |
| 20:26.01 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: I don't have the source here. |
| 20:26.04 | dataw0lf|w | but thanks. |
| 20:26.08 | bigdog_ut | let me see |
| 20:26.09 | dataw0lf|w | me downloadz |
| 20:26.11 | macnewbold | I missed that somehow |
| 20:28.11 | bigdog_ut | tcp_vegas_cong_avoid - boolean values |
| 20:28.18 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: hehe, yeah, we should do a section on the FAST tcp algorithm hehe |
| 20:28.25 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 20:28.27 | dataw0lf|w | oh, I'm talking about the gamma, alpha, and beta values. |
| 20:28.33 | bigdog_ut | off by default |
| 20:28.42 | bigdog_ut | that is the sys one |
| 20:28.48 | dataw0lf|w | gamma, alpha, beta are integers. |
| 20:28.53 | dataw0lf|w | !boolean |
| 20:29.11 | dataw0lf|w | that's where I'm lost |
| 20:29.20 | dataw0lf|w | mebbe I'll just throw 3000 and descend by 100 |
| 20:29.22 | dataw0lf|w | :) |
| 20:29.29 | bigdog_ut | lol it is either 0 or 1 |
| 20:29.57 | bigdog_ut | now you could be talking about the tcp_bic_fast_convergence |
| 20:30.38 | bigdog_ut | but that is a boolean too |
| 20:30.44 | dataw0lf|w | what? I'm talking about |
| 20:31.00 | dataw0lf|w | tcp_vegas_alpha, _beta, and _gamma |
| 20:31.03 | dataw0lf|w | those aren't boolean |
| 20:31.59 | bigdog_ut | i dont see that in any kernel files |
| 20:32.06 | bigdog_ut | tcp should be under networking |
| 20:32.42 | bigdog_ut | where are they under proc? |
| 20:32.52 | dataw0lf|w | argh |
| 20:32.56 | dataw0lf|w | it's from the FAST kernel patch |
| 20:33.01 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 20:33.06 | dataw0lf|w | which is patched into the Ubuntu kernel. |
| 20:33.08 | macnewbold | ~clue bigdog_ut |
| 20:33.09 | jbot | ACTION fans out Vegas-style a stack of clues for bigdog_ut "Pick one, any one! ...and don't show it to me." |
| 20:33.17 | macnewbold | hehe, vegas-style, get it? |
| 20:33.18 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w, and his crappy kernel |
| 20:33.24 | macnewbold | ~lart ubuntu |
| 20:38.20 | drip | ~lart things in general |
| 20:38.48 | dataw0lf|w | :| |
| 20:39.02 | dataw0lf|w | I go away for 5 minutes and all the Ubuntu hate comes out. |
| 20:39.07 | dataw0lf|w | no need to be jealous, boys. |
| 20:39.23 | gthornock | What's to be jealous of? |
| 20:40.36 | gthornock | kubuntu is decent, I suppose, but it's nothing spectacular. |
| 20:41.10 | dataw0lf|w | that you prefer KDE is all I need to know. |
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| 20:50.51 | Utah_Dave | hey dataw0lf, have you worked with School Bell or School Tool at all? |
| 20:52.26 | dataw0lf|w | heh. |
| 20:52.30 | dataw0lf|w | How'd you find that one out? |
| 20:52.35 | dataw0lf|w | weird. |
| 20:53.29 | dataw0lf|w | but, yeah, I did some collaboration with those guys. |
| 20:54.51 | dataw0lf|w | Utah_Dave: did you find some old CVS commit or something with my name on it? hehe. |
| 20:55.15 | Utah_Dave | I've been looking at calendars for some inspiration for a project at work. I think School Bell is the best open calendar I've found. The only problem is everything at work is in PHP and I'm just learning python. |
| 20:56.06 | dataw0lf|w | ah, wow, that's rather incredibly coincidental. |
| 20:56.31 | dataw0lf|w | (that you asked me about it) |
| 20:56.55 | dataw0lf|w | take it as an opportunity to better your Python :) |
| 20:57.01 | Utah_Dave | well, you mentioned that you do work for Ubuntu, and they're all under Canonical |
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| 20:58.23 | Utah_Dave | yeah, I've thought about that. I just find it hard to do web programming in python. PHP plays better with the web |
| 20:58.52 | dataw0lf|w | it's true. |
| 20:59.08 | dataw0lf|w | that's what I'm trying to fix. |
| 20:59.25 | Utah_Dave | like mod_python? |
| 20:59.25 | dataw0lf|w | there's 'PHP'esque solutions available to Python, however. |
| 20:59.47 | dataw0lf|w | well, yeah, the Python version of Phlyte is going to run under mod_python. |
| 21:00.14 | dataw0lf|w | but, as far as embedding Python into HTML, like PHP, there's numerous modules out there. |
| 21:00.31 | fungus | Including PSP, which is built into mod_python |
| 21:01.17 | dataw0lf|w | yup. |
| 21:01.24 | Utah_Dave | How does Zope do it? do they use mod_python? |
| 21:01.55 | dataw0lf|w | Nah. |
| 21:01.59 | dataw0lf|w | Zope is... huge. |
| 21:02.06 | dataw0lf|w | well, Zope can use mod_python, methinks. |
| 21:02.14 | dataw0lf|w | or, rather, run under Apache. |
| 21:02.26 | dataw0lf|w | dunno about mod_python, I'm sure you could finangle it. |
| 21:02.31 | dataw0lf|w | but Zope likes to be it's own server. |
| 21:02.31 | Utah_Dave | school bell uses zope3, i think |
| 21:02.49 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, School Bell was developed for Zope 3, but was kept 'separate' so it could be standalone. |
| 21:03.41 | dataw0lf|w | personally, I can't stand Zope. |
| 21:03.43 | Utah_Dave | is zope overkill? |
| 21:03.47 | dataw0lf|w | yup. |
| 21:03.58 | dataw0lf|w | I'd rather use Twisted, personally. |
| 21:04.52 | Utah_Dave | I've poked around Twisted, but I don't get the idea behind it. I didn't find the documentation very helpful |
| 21:05.19 | dataw0lf|w | it's just a generic network app framework |
| 21:09.43 | fungus | macnewbold, You want me to drive this time. I owe you bigtime. :) |
| 21:10.00 | macnewbold | fungus: when did you get here? :) we've been looking all over for you |
| 21:10.16 | macnewbold | fungus: aros is downtown, right? |
| 21:10.31 | fungus | Yeah, but I am at home today. |
| 21:10.33 | macnewbold | ah |
| 21:10.57 | macnewbold | I'm working on plotting a course that includes dataw0lf's place, your place, and the donut shop :) |
| 21:11.11 | wps | suck! |
| 21:11.17 | wps | I'll be missing donuts!?!?!?! |
| 21:12.00 | jsmith | wps: Yes, you will. |
| 21:12.22 | fungus | Ah, ok. Well I'll drive next time. I do really owe you big. |
| 21:17.23 | macnewbold | it's no biggie |
| 21:17.32 | macnewbold | wps: you're not coming tonight?!? slacker! |
| 21:17.38 | macnewbold | ditch class for once, wouldya? |
| 21:17.42 | macnewbold | hehe ;) |
| 21:18.16 | Utah_Dave | sounds like tonight's class is going to be really good |
| 21:18.34 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, bigdog_ut has produced like 4 million slides |
| 21:18.48 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 21:18.55 | Utah_Dave | in MS PowerPoint, right? :0 |
| 21:19.03 | drip | it's because he's so busy at work right now. |
| 21:19.05 | dataw0lf|w | pshaw |
| 21:19.06 | bigdog_ut | i just put one bulleted item per slide |
| 21:19.11 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 21:19.26 | drip | trying to break our app servers |
| 21:19.28 | drip | =P |
| 21:19.49 | wps | I can't ditch |
| 21:19.53 | bigdog_ut | yeah, i fixed that jacked up mess and finished help too |
| 21:19.55 | wps | today is the first day of the new term |
| 21:26.54 | dataw0lf|w | ace your finals? :) |
| 21:33.29 | macnewbold | wps: we could save you some donuts if you want... |
| 21:33.52 | wps | yeah, did good |
| 21:34.05 | dataw0lf|w | congrats |
| 21:34.31 | bigdog_ut | if you did not get a 4.0 then you dont need to come |
| 21:34.55 | dataw0lf|w | heh |
| 21:35.05 | dataw0lf|w | man, that was close. |
| 21:36.51 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, so the one you sent me is okay to put on the laptop |
| 21:38.03 | bigdog_ut | ~wake dataw0lf |
| 21:38.04 | jbot | dataw0lf: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 21:38.18 | bigdog_ut | ~question |
| 21:38.20 | jbot | i guess question is "What is nine times six?" |
| 21:38.30 | bigdog_ut | ~question dataw0lf |
| 21:38.44 | dataw0lf | sup? |
| 21:38.56 | dataw0lf | you got it on the laptop? |
| 21:39.10 | bigdog_ut | yeah...the one u sent it okay right? |
| 21:39.22 | bigdog_ut | did not know if you had added anymore |
| 21:39.57 | dataw0lf | nah, that one is fine, i don't need a million slides to get my point across, sir. |
| 21:40.10 | bigdog_ut | good |
| 21:40.18 | bigdog_ut | an ahole is still an ahole |
| 21:40.19 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 21:41.18 | dataw0lf | true dat. |
| 21:50.53 | macnewbold | fungus, dataw0lf: which one of you wants to be first picked up? I can go in either order just as well. One at about 6:20-6:25, and the other at 6:25-6:30. |
| 21:51.14 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, can you pick me up |
| 21:51.15 | bigdog_ut | ? |
| 21:51.28 | macnewbold | not at your house |
| 21:51.32 | macnewbold | but yeah, if you want :) |
| 21:51.36 | bigdog_ut | im in clearfield |
| 21:51.45 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 21:51.52 | macnewbold | wanna meet us in SLC, and share a ride from there? |
| 21:51.58 | macnewbold | or are you just messing around again? |
| 21:52.04 | bigdog_ut | messin around |
| 21:52.07 | macnewbold | che, I drank some mate last night.. |
| 21:52.17 | dataw0lf | fungus: I'll go last, sir. |
| 21:52.17 | bigdog_ut | i got some here at work, gaucho |
| 21:52.21 | macnewbold | nice |
| 21:52.24 | dataw0lf | err, macnewbold: I'll go last. |
| 21:52.26 | macnewbold | k |
| 21:52.37 | macnewbold | sounds good |
| 21:52.39 | dataw0lf | I'll be outside at 6:25 then. |
| 21:53.00 | macnewbold | sweet. and I'll try not to pass the place up again like I did last time |
| 21:53.10 | dataw0lf | hehe. |
| 21:55.38 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, there is a new store in layton that is a mate store |
| 21:55.46 | bigdog_ut | has tons of argentine stuff |
| 21:56.21 | dataw0lf | Alright, I'm headed out, cya guys at the meeting. See yah at ~6:25 mac |
| 22:00.12 | beandog | man, Id kill for a milanesa |
| 22:00.35 | dataw0lf | milanesa? |
| 22:02.17 | beandog | its kinda like ... |
| 22:02.18 | beandog | uh |
| 22:02.21 | beandog | its meat. |
| 22:02.24 | beandog | its really good. |
| 22:02.27 | dataw0lf | hehe. |
| 22:02.34 | dataw0lf | I dunno, that sounds a bit too mysterious for me. |
| 22:02.38 | beandog | like a meat sandwich |
| 22:02.48 | beandog | breaded chicken or steak, deep fried |
| 22:03.20 | dataw0lf | ah, now that sounds good. |
| 22:03.57 | beandog | just their bread alone is amazing |
| 22:04.05 | beandog | but the combo of the two... I tell you what |
| 22:07.02 | beandog | http://www.frommers.com/destinations/argentina/2296026244.html |
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| 22:18.09 | dataw0lf | oh. yeah. |
| 22:18.22 | dataw0lf | eco|w: you want to do some Python hackery Saturday day ? |
| 22:38.28 | eco|w | Hmm, I was going to do my taxes and maybe start a new company up. Maybe I can do that Sunday instead. |
| 22:39.57 | Utah_Dave | my sister-in-law is from argentina and makes GREAT milanesas!! |
| 22:42.07 | beandog | oh yah? |
| 22:42.12 | beandog | when can we come over :) |
| 22:43.54 | macnewbold | someone tell tierra: we're having the BBQ at Utah_Dave's sister-in-law's house! milanesa, chorizo, and choripan for everyone! |
| 22:44.06 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: you'll have to get me the info on that place |
| 22:44.11 | macnewbold | I need to take my wife there sometime soon |
| 22:45.51 | Utah_Dave | ha ha. I'll try to talk her into making a bunch of empanadas, though. |
| 22:47.06 | bigdog_ut | oh yeah |
| 22:51.40 | jsmith | macnewbold: Who all is invited? |
| 22:51.55 | jsmith | macnewbold: Milanesa with lemons? |
| 22:52.08 | macnewbold | jsmith: it's a UPHPU thing, so you're invited |
| 22:52.11 | macnewbold | it's a family BBQ |
| 22:52.15 | macnewbold | date TBA |
| 22:52.17 | macnewbold | place TBA |
| 22:52.35 | macnewbold | Utah_Dave: empanadas rock too |
| 22:52.41 | macnewbold | we make them semi-often |
| 22:52.57 | macnewbold | I used to do tortas fritas from time to time, but have fallen out of the habit |
| 22:53.11 | Utah_Dave | macnewbold, yeah, I like' em too |
| 22:53.30 | jsmith | macnewbold: Well, you've gotta let me know... |
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| 22:55.26 | Utah_Dave | so has the date for the BBQ been chosen? |
| 22:59.51 | macnewbold | actually, I just saw an email about it |
| 23:00.05 | macnewbold | so jsmith and Utah_Dave, and everyone else, mark your calendars: |
| 23:01.09 | macnewbold | BBQ is Friday, Aug. 12, at Fairmont Park (2361 S 900 E, SLC) |
| 23:01.21 | macnewbold | starting at 7pm, prolly, though we've got it reserved from 6pm-10pm |
| 23:01.27 | macnewbold | should be bushels of fun |
| 23:01.51 | *** topic/#uphpu by macnewbold -> Meeting Tonight, 7pm @ LinuxNetworx | BBQ Aug. 12, 7pm @ Fairmont Park (SLC) | check out #phlyte | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 23:11.50 | Utah_Dave | would someone be able to give me a ride home tonight? I only live about 2 miles south of Linux Networx. |
| 23:12.09 | Rajah | I probably could I live in Lehi... |
| 23:13.39 | Utah_Dave | that would be really cool. I'm not a hundred percent sure I'll be able to go tonight, but if I can get out of a meeting early I'll be there. |
| 23:16.34 | Rajah | no problem in case you didn't know I am Mike from Linux Networx so should be easy to find after. |
| 23:18.54 | greygnome | See you all at the mtg. |
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| 23:51.36 | tierra | nothing wrong with 2 BBQs this summer =) |
| 23:52.40 | tierra | technically, we have the pavillion at the park reserved all day (they only do reservations for a full day... seems kinda dumb in my opinion, but whatever) |
| 23:52.58 | tierra | probably the reason I couldn't get anything until August |
| 23:59.23 | *** part/#uphpu Rajah (~hemptasia@208.177.141.226.ptr.us.xo.net) |