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| 13:44.29 | dataw0lf|w | morning |
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| 16:25.21 | Alphahawk | Hey guys |
| 16:25.27 | dataw0lf|w | morning |
| 16:25.53 | nathang | howdy |
| 16:26.00 | Alphahawk | okay not sure if possible but can I read a file with php and out put the raw data? also display the data in hex? |
| 16:26.17 | bigdog_ut | y |
| 16:29.15 | Alphahawk | why? dont know just messing around at the moment. trying to see how much I can do with php compared to c |
| 16:29.29 | bigdog_ut | y = yes |
| 16:31.25 | dataw0lf|w | heh |
| 16:31.27 | Alphahawk | ahhh |
| 16:31.37 | Alphahawk | sorry working with a few chat areas |
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| 17:22.36 | wps | ~natha |
| 17:22.39 | wps | ~nathang |
| 17:22.50 | nathang_ | yes |
| 17:23.00 | wps | ~nathang_ |
| 17:23.11 | wps | that you, garza? |
| 17:23.17 | nathang_ | yes, yes it is. |
| 17:23.20 | wps | welcome |
| 17:23.24 | nathang_ | why thank you |
| 17:29.38 | wps | why are you here twice? |
| 17:29.46 | wps | jbot, nathang is swell |
| 17:29.47 | jbot | okay, wps |
| 17:42.10 | mindjuju | datawolf |
| 17:42.32 | dataw0lf|w | sup |
| 17:42.53 | mindjuju | hey, we got interrupted in our conversation the other day. where was that article you had posted that you wanted me to read |
| 17:42.58 | mindjuju | i'll read it during lunch today |
| 17:43.18 | dataw0lf|w | ah, one sec, bro |
| 17:43.30 | wps | ~seen nathang_ |
| 17:43.31 | jbot | i haven't seen 'nathang_', wps |
| 17:46.31 | dataw0lf|w | mindjuju: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html |
| 17:46.48 | dataw0lf|w | mindjuju: this is what you speak of, yes? |
| 17:47.03 | mindjuju | yup, read the first paragraph then had an emergency on this side |
| 17:47.09 | mindjuju | thnx! |
| 17:47.37 | dataw0lf|w | no problem |
| 17:49.43 | dataw0lf|w | lot of quotes from Stephen J. Gould in there, I consider him to be an incredible writer, and he was considered to be one of the foremost anthropologists and historians of science ever. Unfortunately he passed away in 2002. |
| 17:54.48 | dataw0lf|w | He also held strong opposition to the belief that science and religion are irreconcilable (sp?), which is something I strongly agree with. |
| 17:55.01 | dataw0lf|w | anyways, lunch. |
| 17:59.58 | mindjuju | k, i've put my reading on pause because I want to understand a little better the arguement he presented. Speicifically the duality of the definition of the word "fact". |
| 18:01.00 | mindjuju | In the 4th paragraphy, starting " Moreover, "fact" doesn't mean "absolute certainty"; there ain't no such animal in an exciting and complex world. " he resets the definition from what I would say is a popular definintion |
| 18:01.32 | mindjuju | While it's one that I normally would not entertain, I will allow it for the better understanding of his arguement |
| 18:01.55 | mindjuju | however, in paragraph 8 " Let me try to make crystal clear what is established beyond reasonable doubt " |
| 18:02.18 | mindjuju | he seem to jump back to the traditional view of the word "fact". Have I misread? |
| 18:03.45 | mindjuju | sorry, in the above quote from paragraph 8, please read paragraph 7 for context |
| 18:27.10 | dataw0lf|w | What he's saying, basically, is that there really is no 'universal truth'. There are exceptions to every rule, indeed, everything that we consider a 'fact' contains them. However, in the traditional sense, evolution IS a proven fact. |
| 18:28.30 | dataw0lf|w | The only argue that one who is 'opposed' to evolution can make is, basically, 'God works in mysterious ways', or 'God is testing us' |
| 18:29.16 | dataw0lf|w | And, honestly, if that's the case, I don't want anything to do with a God who thinks he can just belligerently test us with something as logical and proven as evolution. |
| 18:29.49 | mindjuju | so just to make sure i'm clear then, your saying that he's placing evolution ( as in the process of "...organisms have evolved from older ancestral organism..." |
| 18:29.58 | mindjuju | as a universal truth |
| 18:30.07 | dataw0lf|w | I said there were no universal truths. |
| 18:30.18 | dataw0lf|w | It's a fact that organisms evolve from other organisms. |
| 18:30.23 | dataw0lf|w | You can't argue that. |
| 18:30.25 | dataw0lf|w | Are you trying to? |
| 18:31.13 | mindjuju | while I don't believe that evolution is how man came to be, and I know you do, I'm trying to give your article a chance before we move to other fields |
| 18:31.49 | dataw0lf|w | well, I think you're wrong. And I think it flies in the face of reality, to be honest. |
| 18:32.00 | mindjuju | hey, that's ok. |
| 18:32.05 | dataw0lf|w | I, however, don't think that existence of evolution discredits religion at all. |
| 18:32.13 | mindjuju | i'm really interested though to see where your coming from |
| 18:32.24 | dataw0lf|w | Now, perhaps it discredits to some extent how man has interpreted God. |
| 18:32.28 | mindjuju | so i'm not really trying to fight your article at this point, but rather trying to get better understanding |
| 18:32.48 | dataw0lf|w | It's not hard. Read any credible scientific paper on evolution over the past 100 years. |
| 18:33.35 | dataw0lf|w | I'd read this as well |
| 18:33.36 | dataw0lf|w | http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html |
| 18:35.51 | mindjuju | well, maybe i've misspoken myself. I have read lots of opinions on what happened in the beginning. was more interested in what you thought, not really wanting to read a whole ton of rhetoric. see what i mean? I could just as easily supply you with tons of pages for you to read. But that would put us at an impasse real quickly |
| 18:36.16 | dataw0lf|w | I think it's plainly obvious to what I believe. |
| 18:36.52 | dataw0lf|w | 1) Evolution happens. |
| 18:37.00 | dataw0lf|w | 2) Man has evolved |
| 18:37.02 | mindjuju | currently? |
| 18:37.09 | dataw0lf|w | Yes, currently. |
| 18:37.22 | mindjuju | evolution happens currently? k, what examples do we observe in nature of this happening? |
| 18:37.42 | dataw0lf|w | natural selection, c'mon! |
| 18:37.46 | mindjuju | and I mean natural evolution, not man's breading |
| 18:37.56 | mindjuju | i'm talking monkeys evolving futher |
| 18:38.15 | mindjuju | that's what i'm talking about. are there examples of species continuing to evolve |
| 18:38.36 | dataw0lf|w | there are some leaps in evolution, but it's rare. |
| 18:38.42 | dataw0lf|w | you have to look at a big picture. |
| 18:38.48 | dataw0lf|w | how old do you think the earth is, by the way? |
| 18:39.02 | dataw0lf|w | I'm a human, I'm going to live, if I'm lucky, to around ~80 years of age. |
| 18:39.15 | dataw0lf|w | that's a rather small window. |
| 18:39.17 | mindjuju | so to jump ahead in the conversation, i'll peg it at 3.4 billion years |
| 18:39.25 | mindjuju | cause i know that's the target your looking for |
| 18:39.29 | mindjuju | so, 3.4 bil |
| 18:39.37 | dataw0lf|w | I'm asking for your belief. |
| 18:40.02 | dataw0lf|w | if you believe that the earth is 3.4 billion years old, when do you think man 'sprung' (i.e., created by God) during that time? |
| 18:40.10 | mindjuju | i know what i beleive, you know what i believe, but i'm interested in species continuing to evolve so i'm trying to jump over a debate so that we can talk about evolving species |
| 18:40.14 | dataw0lf|w | err, sprung into existence. |
| 18:40.18 | mindjuju | don't really want to debate the age of the earth |
| 18:40.24 | dataw0lf|w | No, I have no idea how old you believe the earth is. |
| 18:40.53 | mindjuju | k, you win. I know beleive the earth is 3.4 billion years old. whew! k, let's talk about species evolving |
| 18:41.07 | dataw0lf|w | There's no need to get defensive. I hope I'm not coming off as an ass. |
| 18:41.53 | mindjuju | hey, i'm cool. I was born and raised in texas where everybody is Baptist and some of my best friends are Baptist, but to beleive what I did in a Baptist enviroment makes you have thick skin |
| 18:42.04 | mindjuju | so i'm totally cool |
| 18:42.07 | dataw0lf|w | ok. |
| 18:42.18 | mindjuju | but about species evolution, it doesn't happen any more , does it |
| 18:42.26 | mindjuju | and nobody seems to know why, right? |
| 18:42.27 | dataw0lf|w | evolution doesn't just stop. |
| 18:42.32 | dataw0lf|w | what are you talking about? |
| 18:42.39 | mindjuju | k, then we are in some type of a lull? |
| 18:42.44 | dataw0lf|w | we are looking at a history of, you said 3.4 billion years. |
| 18:42.51 | dataw0lf|w | how are we in a lull? |
| 18:42.58 | dataw0lf|w | over what time period are you speaking of? |
| 18:43.05 | dataw0lf|w | I think you might have a misconception of time as well. |
| 18:43.09 | dataw0lf|w | Have you ever seen a suit of armor? |
| 18:43.11 | dataw0lf|w | From the middle ages? |
| 18:43.20 | dataw0lf|w | a real suit, mind you. |
| 18:43.30 | mindjuju | had several long talks about evolution with a biology teacher in houston. Evolution seems to have stopped something like 40,000 years ago, if I recall |
| 18:43.37 | dataw0lf|w | He's wrong. |
| 18:43.41 | dataw0lf|w | Evolution doesn't stop. |
| 18:43.42 | mindjuju | she, actually |
| 18:43.47 | dataw0lf|w | ah, she's wrong. |
| 18:43.48 | dataw0lf|w | either way. |
| 18:43.54 | mindjuju | k, then 40,000 years ago, it hit a lull |
| 18:43.58 | dataw0lf|w | a lull? |
| 18:44.03 | dataw0lf|w | I'm confused. |
| 18:44.06 | mindjuju | or we haven't seen evidence of evolution continuing |
| 18:44.16 | dataw0lf|w | have you seen a suit of armor? |
| 18:44.18 | mindjuju | nothing has evolved that we can see in the last 40,000 years |
| 18:44.23 | mindjuju | have seen suit of armor , yes |
| 18:44.32 | dataw0lf|w | do you know the average height of a suit of armor? |
| 18:44.40 | mindjuju | yes, i know what your going to say, and that wrong |
| 18:44.46 | mindjuju | let's jump to china |
| 18:45.04 | mindjuju | just 50 years ago, people were short there. As their diet has changed, they have grown taller |
| 18:45.13 | mindjuju | that is the result of better medicine and nutriotion |
| 18:45.30 | dataw0lf|w | so you're telling me evolution does happen, now? |
| 18:45.34 | nathang_ | And that isn't evolution because why? |
| 18:45.47 | mindjuju | the average height of the chinese has increased, but that isn't evolution, that is dietary. |
| 18:45.52 | dataw0lf|w | haha |
| 18:45.55 | dataw0lf|w | Man, you are confused. |
| 18:46.01 | scott | nathang_: because their genes are exactly the same, whether they're eating healthy or not? |
| 18:46.16 | dataw0lf|w | haha. |
| 18:46.22 | dataw0lf|w | one sec, I need to get a soda, this is great. |
| 18:46.26 | mindjuju | right, there is no dna change at that point |
| 18:46.31 | nathang_ | I don't that that necessarily disqualifies it as evolution |
| 18:47.04 | mindjuju | it has to do with how healthy they are, just like i read the other day about how children who were being missfed by their parents was causing stunted growth |
| 18:47.22 | nathang_ | right. |
| 18:47.37 | mindjuju | well, that's not reverse evolution or de-evolution |
| 18:47.43 | mindjuju | that's malnutrition verse good eating |
| 18:48.08 | nathang_ | ok I can see your point. |
| 18:48.16 | nathang_ | no inheritence |
| 18:48.33 | nathang_ | However if you do want an example |
| 18:48.40 | nathang_ | take wisdome teeth |
| 18:49.07 | mindjuju | or the appendix |
| 18:49.16 | nathang_ | Here in the US they commonly come in impacted |
| 18:49.30 | nathang_ | or in other undesirable ways. |
| 18:49.52 | mindjuju | we haven't used them for a long time, no longer necessary to crack hard tree nuts, i believe is what it was thought they were fore |
| 18:49.53 | nathang_ | So it is standard practice to remove them. |
| 18:50.02 | mindjuju | right, we do, but not nature |
| 18:50.22 | mindjuju | nor has nature selected people without wisdom teeth to survive people with them |
| 18:50.26 | nathang_ | However, in other parts of the world, parts of africa for example |
| 18:50.32 | nathang_ | They reguelarly come in just fine. |
| 18:50.41 | mindjuju | now that I didn't know |
| 18:50.45 | nathang_ | So wisdome teeth removal is not comon |
| 18:50.57 | nathang_ | Now, it's not the removal that is the focus. |
| 18:51.10 | nathang_ | It's that here they not only are not usful, but detrimental |
| 18:51.17 | nathang_ | In other parts of the world |
| 18:51.24 | nathang_ | They are not detrimental at ll. |
| 18:51.27 | dataw0lf|w | ok, sorry, had to grab a soda. |
| 18:51.35 | dataw0lf|w | mindjuju: ever taken an antibiotics? |
| 18:51.38 | dataw0lf|w | any* |
| 18:51.45 | mindjuju | sure, but i try not to |
| 18:51.49 | dataw0lf|w | why not? |
| 18:51.57 | nathang_ | Got to go ya'll |
| 18:52.13 | mindjuju | not that I don't like taking medicines, but i don't like taking them unnecessarily |
| 18:52.20 | dataw0lf|w | Neither do I! |
| 18:52.30 | mindjuju | like having my body devlope immunity |
| 18:52.33 | dataw0lf|w | My reasoning, of course, is because bacteria 'evolve' resistances. |
| 18:52.42 | dataw0lf|w | oh, you want your body to develop immunity eh? |
| 18:52.50 | dataw0lf|w | So you do support evolution! |
| 18:52.52 | mindjuju | k, were jumping defs here though |
| 18:52.53 | dataw0lf|w | Right on. |
| 18:53.01 | mindjuju | bacteria aren't evolving |
| 18:53.01 | dataw0lf|w | No, we're definitely not. |
| 18:53.04 | dataw0lf|w | Sure they are. |
| 18:53.06 | mindjuju | no |
| 18:53.08 | dataw0lf|w | Yes. |
| 18:53.15 | mindjuju | we are elimanting those that are week |
| 18:53.17 | mindjuju | oops, weak |
| 18:53.22 | dataw0lf|w | so... |
| 18:53.22 | mindjuju | we are leaving those that are strong |
| 18:53.24 | dataw0lf|w | natural selection? |
| 18:53.28 | dataw0lf|w | good point! |
| 18:53.30 | mindjuju | not evolution, natural selection |
| 18:53.35 | dataw0lf|w | haha. |
| 18:53.42 | mindjuju | right, but the bacteria itself isn't evolving |
| 18:53.45 | dataw0lf|w | natural selection is, of course, Darwin's mechanism for supporting evolution. |
| 18:53.47 | dataw0lf|w | sure it is! |
| 18:53.55 | dataw0lf|w | it's developing, through natural selection, a resistance. |
| 18:53.58 | mindjuju | i know natural selection is part of darwanism |
| 18:54.00 | dataw0lf|w | the weak die, the strong survive, am I right? |
| 18:54.07 | mindjuju | i use darwanism all the time in economics |
| 18:54.12 | mindjuju | no big secret there. |
| 18:54.12 | dataw0lf|w | so when they spawn new bacteria, those bacteria have the same resistances. |
| 18:54.20 | dataw0lf|w | that, is evolution. |
| 18:54.23 | dataw0lf|w | Look at HIV! |
| 18:54.42 | dataw0lf|w | You can keep arguing my points for me if you want, however. |
| 18:54.50 | mindjuju | just recently come into the Human enviroment, but how long did it exist in animals? |
| 18:55.12 | dataw0lf|w | I have no idea, I'm not a microbiologist. |
| 18:55.18 | mindjuju | i'm not currently debating natural selection. i'm saying bacteria itself has not changed on the DNA level |
| 18:55.42 | mindjuju | bacteria didn't devolope a new protein coat |
| 18:55.45 | dataw0lf|w | not over a course of a couple years, no. |
| 18:55.50 | dataw0lf|w | but they will, that's the point. |
| 18:55.51 | mindjuju | right |
| 18:55.54 | mindjuju | hence, a lull |
| 18:56.12 | dataw0lf|w | no, not a lull. |
| 18:56.23 | dataw0lf|w | it happens over a long long period of time. |
| 18:56.29 | dataw0lf|w | you keep on trying to go back to this lull. |
| 18:56.39 | dataw0lf|w | there are jumps in 'evolution', sure. |
| 18:56.50 | mindjuju | right, and over the last 40,000 years, nothing has seemed to evolve |
| 18:56.50 | dataw0lf|w | I think you should read what I posted, however. |
| 18:57.25 | dataw0lf|w | Do you have any good references that I can read about this supposed 40,000 year lull? Because I think you're confused on a number of points. |
| 18:58.13 | mindjuju | i don't currently, that was something that my bio teacher had quoted from some source. I will research and try to find you something |
| 18:58.19 | dataw0lf|w | heh. |
| 18:58.20 | dataw0lf|w | ok. |
| 18:58.53 | mindjuju | but i'd like to quote you in the interim "there are jumps in 'evolution', sure." |
| 18:59.00 | mindjuju | jump = lull |
| 18:59.11 | mindjuju | a time span of no activity |
| 18:59.28 | dataw0lf|w | no, no, you're confused again. |
| 18:59.46 | dataw0lf|w | through various mechanisms, an organism can 'jump' in the evolutionary 'chain' |
| 18:59.59 | dataw0lf|w | quite the opposite really. |
| 19:00.16 | dataw0lf|w | Anyways, get me that reference, I have to setup a server. |
| 19:00.16 | mindjuju | k, when you say jump you mean that can quickly evolve to a different stage? |
| 19:00.24 | mindjuju | k, i'll search for it |
| 19:15.08 | fungus | Eeek, today is more chicken w/o a head than most mondays are. |
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| 21:20.30 | jm_ul|w | i'm reading a tutorial I downloaded and it is talking about for loops.... this is one of the lines in it.... |
| 21:20.32 | jm_ul|w | echo "<table border=\"1\" align=\"center\">"; |
| 21:20.45 | jm_ul|w | it doesn't explain what the \'s are being used for |
| 21:20.54 | wps | escaping the quotes |
| 21:20.58 | jm_ul|w | are they necessary? |
| 21:21.01 | wps | yes |
| 21:21.20 | mindjuju | otherwise the echo would only type |
| 21:21.20 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.21 | jm_ul|w | ok |
| 21:21.22 | wps | when you use echo, the stuff within the quotes is what is printed out |
| 21:21.25 | wps | like this: |
| 21:21.29 | wps | echo "la la la" |
| 21:21.47 | wps | if you want to quote out a quote, you have to escape it so that your string isn't ended prematurely |
| 21:21.50 | wps | fore example |
| 21:22.06 | wps | echo "he said, "my you are cool""; |
| 21:22.07 | wps | doesn't work |
| 21:22.09 | jm_ul|w | oooooh...ok |
| 21:22.22 | jm_ul|w | if you wanted to echo php code you'd have to use them? |
| 21:22.34 | wps | no, you never echo PHP code |
| 21:22.37 | wps | when you echo HTML |
| 21:22.42 | wps | or anything with quotes |
| 21:22.47 | wps | because PHP thinks that the string ends before "my" |
| 21:23.07 | wps | another option though is to use single quotes (or ticks) |
| 21:23.10 | wps | like this: |
| 21:23.23 | wps | echo 'he said, "my you are cool"'; |
| 21:23.29 | wps | or, with HTML: |
| 21:23.43 | wps | echo '<table class="nice_class">'; |
| 21:23.57 | jm_ul|w | that looks better |
| 21:24.03 | wps | yup |
| 21:24.37 | jm_ul|w | thx wps and mindjuju |
| 21:24.44 | wps | any time |
| 21:26.11 | dataw0lf|w | or you could use heredocs which are even cooler than me |
| 21:26.16 | dataw0lf|w | and that, sir, is saying something. |
| 21:27.05 | drip | ~dripslap bigdog_ut |
| 21:27.06 | jbot | ACTION pulls out his Pink Cookie Gun.. takes aim at bigdog_ut.. and fires... bigdog_ut DOWN! Can we get a medic over here?! |
| 21:29.53 | fungus | http://funroll-loops.org/ |
| 21:33.48 | bigdog_ut | sure man |
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| 22:02.23 | eco|w | /. reminded me of this Penny Arcade which I will now share for those that haven't seen it: http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-06-30&res=h |
| 22:04.04 | dataw0lf|w | hehe |
| 22:04.49 | bigdog_ut | damn im a killer programmer |
| 22:05.35 | dataw0lf|w | well, you got one of the main attributes. |
| 22:05.40 | dataw0lf|w | you got some foul body odor. |
| 22:05.52 | eco|w | Hehe, that's key. |
| 22:05.55 | bigdog_ut | eyah you do dataw0lf|w |
| 22:06.02 | bigdog_ut | wps, for the reply messages |
| 22:06.04 | eco|w | I try washing mine away but it just doesn't leave |
| 22:06.05 | bigdog_ut | ~wake wps |
| 22:06.06 | jbot | wps: GOOD MORNING!!! |
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| 22:08.50 | eco|w | I wish all the GNU zealots would stop huddling around the Debian campfire, throwing gasoline on randomly and just work on GNU HURD so they can easily be ignored. |
| 22:09.41 | dataw0lf|w | I wish Gentoo users wouldn't open their mouths around adults. |
| 22:10.12 | dataw0lf|w | except for special cases. |
| 22:10.15 | dataw0lf|w | if yah know what I mean. |
| 22:10.16 | bigdog_ut | silently dataw0lf|w asks bigdog_ut for a nice pimp slap |
| 22:11.01 | eco|w | Hey, I didn't say anything wrong about your beloved Debian. Just the wackos that flock to it. |
| 22:11.28 | dataw0lf|w | you're not even worthy to mention Debian. |
| 22:11.32 | dataw0lf|w | SIR. |
| 22:11.33 | wps | what's up, bigdog_ut? |
| 22:11.55 | eco|w | God, and I thought Gentoo had to many elitists. |
| 22:11.59 | eco|w | *too |
| 22:11.59 | bigdog_ut | dude...i fixed the reply messages and added a forward feature for ya |
| 22:12.12 | bigdog_ut | you just need to fix the links on the inbox and sent box |
| 22:12.18 | dataw0lf|w | Gentoo has people who THINK they're elite. |
| 22:12.23 | eco|w | Hehe |
| 22:12.26 | dataw0lf|w | ;) |
| 22:12.38 | dataw0lf|w | what time you get off work dude? |
| 22:12.43 | dataw0lf|w | or, rather, what time are you leaving work. |
| 22:12.54 | eco|w | Whenever I get bored of what I'm doing I suppose |
| 22:13.05 | dataw0lf|w | what about Bryan? |
| 22:13.08 | dataw0lf|w | ~lart tierra |
| 22:13.11 | dataw0lf|w | when you getting of work? |
| 22:13.20 | eco|w | When I tell him to stop sucking my dick |
| 22:13.31 | dataw0lf|w | look what channel you're in. |
| 22:13.35 | *** kick/#uphpu [eco|w!~bigdog@166.70.34.182] by bigdog_ut (bigdog_ut) |
| 22:13.36 | *** join/#uphpu eco|w (~eco@dsl093-225-126.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 22:13.47 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 22:13.49 | eco|w | Whoops :) |
| 22:13.49 | dataw0lf|w | hehe |
| 22:14.00 | dataw0lf|w | I actually almost made that mistake when you mentioned Debian. |
| 22:14.07 | dataw0lf|w | caught myself in the nick of time. |
| 22:14.13 | wps | oh? |
| 22:14.30 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, I almost used my regular phrasing. |
| 22:14.43 | eco|w | I was actually retracting the statement when I got kicked but not because I realized the channel but because I found it distrubing. |
| 22:14.47 | eco|w | *disturbing |
| 22:15.14 | eco|w | My apologies to anyone that didn't want that mental imagery |
| 22:15.36 | dataw0lf|w | hehe, I can't respond here, see EFnet |
| 22:16.09 | eco|w | hehe (to the EFNet comment) |
| 22:16.20 | dataw0lf|w | rol |
| 22:16.30 | dataw0lf|w | where is tierra, anyways? |
| 22:16.36 | eco|w | Watching Mythbusters |
| 22:16.42 | eco|w | On how to cool beer rapidly |
| 22:16.47 | dataw0lf|w | nice. |
| 22:16.58 | dataw0lf|w | you guys should swing by when you get off work. |
| 22:17.11 | eco|w | Sounds good. |
| 22:17.16 | dataw0lf|w | word. |
| 22:17.21 | bigdog_ut | wps, did that make sense? |
| 22:18.38 | wps | I understand that you fixed the reply. I see that you are using the greater-thans. It looks good |
| 22:18.49 | wps | Not sure what you mean about forwarding though. |
| 22:18.49 | bigdog_ut | y |
| 22:18.53 | wps | you want me to make a forward button? |
| 22:18.56 | bigdog_ut | forwarding a message |
| 22:19.00 | wps | that basically does the same thing? |
| 22:19.13 | bigdog_ut | yeah for sent box messages |
| 22:19.17 | bigdog_ut | i sent an email |
| 22:19.25 | wps | k |
| 22:19.28 | bigdog_ut | phlyte should use my email system |
| 22:19.30 | bigdog_ut | it rocks |
| 22:19.37 | dataw0lf|w | what you running? |
| 22:19.47 | bigdog_ut | oh its all internal stuff |
| 22:20.04 | dataw0lf|w | what mail server do you usually prefer? |
| 22:20.17 | bigdog_ut | i use qmail |
| 22:20.29 | eco|w | <3 QMail |
| 22:20.36 | bigdog_ut | but this is an internal email system in php |
| 22:20.52 | bigdog_ut | that allows you to use different email systems |
| 22:21.00 | eco|w | Just another example of Debian's anal policies (Debian lacks standard QMail packages) |
| 22:21.03 | bigdog_ut | like sendmail, qmail, smtp, ldap crap |
| 22:21.03 | dataw0lf|w | I use the Postfix, + Courier IMAP / Maildrop + MySQL |
| 22:21.15 | dataw0lf|w | eco|w: we're not a hobby distro. |
| 22:21.22 | dataw0lf|w | qmail is, basically, a hobby server. |
| 22:21.36 | dataw0lf|w | I've never seen anyone scale qmail well for over 200 users |
| 22:21.43 | eco|w | Speakeasy uses QMail |
| 22:21.54 | eco|w | They are certainly a noteworthy ISP |
| 22:21.56 | dataw0lf|w | I said well. |
| 22:22.07 | dataw0lf|w | DJB is an incredible programmer. |
| 22:22.20 | dataw0lf|w | but you might as well use Postfix if you're going to plug in all those damn modules into qmail |
| 22:22.25 | dataw0lf|w | Exim is ok. |
| 22:22.29 | dataw0lf|w | Better than Sendmail, I guess. |
| 22:22.39 | eco|w | Anything is better than sendmail |
| 22:22.46 | dataw0lf|w | cept qmail. |
| 22:22.47 | dataw0lf|w | :) |
| 22:22.51 | eco|w | *cough*134k config file...*cough* |
| 22:23.02 | eco|w | A config file for your config file... |
| 22:23.04 | dataw0lf|w | you have to be a rocket scientist to get Sendmail to work really well. |
| 22:23.11 | eco|w | Yep |
| 22:23.14 | dataw0lf|w | that's why I'm able to handle it so well here at work, cuz I'm a genius. |
| 22:23.32 | dataw0lf|w | Go me! |
| 22:23.52 | eco|w | But qmail is certianly a solid and noteworthy MTA but Debian doesn't have it because of their all too serious "social contract" |
| 22:24.12 | dataw0lf|w | yup. |
| 22:24.15 | dataw0lf|w | deal. |
| 22:24.26 | eco|w | I tried to. |
| 22:24.33 | eco|w | Eventually I just used Postfix |
| 22:24.40 | eco|w | But I certainly miss qmail. |
| 22:25.20 | dataw0lf|w | yup, ex-cons miss prison too. Doesn't mean it's RIGHT. |
| 22:25.28 | dataw0lf|w | :D |
| 22:25.57 | dataw0lf|w | ok, I'll stop, cause I'm about to leave. |
| 22:25.59 | dataw0lf|w | qmail is awesome. |
| 22:26.00 | eco|w | My point I was attempting to make was that my only hangup with Debian is it's policies. It's technical merits are awesome. |
| 22:26.21 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, it's a tad annoying. |
| 22:26.26 | dataw0lf|w | but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. |
| 22:27.27 | greygnome | Did anyone download and listen to the audio from the phlyte meeting yet? |
| 22:27.41 | dataw0lf|w | Nah, I can rest assure my voice is sexy as ever. |
| 22:27.43 | dataw0lf|w | ;) |
| 22:28.07 | greygnome | I don't know with the lower sample rate. :P |
| 22:28.12 | eco|w | What is this Phlyte craziness anyway? |
| 22:28.53 | dataw0lf|w | /join #phlyte, there's also an announcement on uphpu.org |
| 22:28.59 | dataw0lf|w | a lightweight web framework basically. |
| 22:29.22 | dataw0lf|w | I'm going to be working in tandem with the PHP guys to produce a Python version |
| 22:29.39 | dataw0lf|w | anyways, I'm out, see you when you guys roll by eco. |
| 22:29.46 | wps | greygnome, I just barely put it in web root |
| 22:30.01 | eco|w | dataw0lf|w: Later |
| 22:30.12 | bigdog_ut | huge fire on the freeway in layton |
| 22:30.37 | eco|w | Hmm. I'm glad I'm not headed home anytime soon. |
| 22:30.47 | greygnome | c ya |
| 22:31.24 | eco|w | On DSL.com: Ed Smart Says Mitchell is 'Crazy Like a Fox' |
| 22:31.37 | eco|w | Err |
| 22:31.39 | eco|w | KSL.com |
| 22:31.40 | *** part/#uphpu RyanE (~rerickson@rberick.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 22:46.29 | bigdog_ut | wps you there? |
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