| 00:12.38 | mindjuju | curious |
| 00:13.01 | cycokilr | hey look.. a children's site for planning a mars colony.. http://familyeducation.com/article/0,1120,22-4438,00.html |
| 00:13.14 | cycokilr | dont' they know they can't withstand the g's to get there?? |
| 00:14.00 | dataw0lf | If I was a parent, I might take my kid on that ride. |
| 00:14.13 | mindjuju | seriously? |
| 00:14.16 | mindjuju | at the age of 4 |
| 00:14.22 | mindjuju | with all those warnings? |
| 00:14.28 | dataw0lf | Sure, I'd assume that those warnings were spoofs. |
| 00:14.31 | mindjuju | i think your just picking a fight |
| 00:14.37 | mindjuju | :) |
| 00:14.45 | dataw0lf | Well, that too. |
| 00:14.53 | mindjuju | now the scaring thing |
| 00:14.58 | mindjuju | datawolf spawn |
| 00:15.02 | mindjuju | or |
| 00:15.05 | mindjuju | spawn of datawolf |
| 00:15.08 | mindjuju | now that is troubling |
| 00:15.12 | mindjuju | :) |
| 00:15.34 | dataw0lf | yes, that's the scariest part of all. |
| 00:15.40 | dataw0lf | and the reason why I'd take my kid. |
| 00:15.52 | dataw0lf | He'll be red, with wings and horns. |
| 00:16.04 | dataw0lf | he can take some lil amusement ride. |
| 00:16.25 | mindjuju | i just watched hellboy yesterday actually for the n th time |
| 00:16.30 | mindjuju | you seen it? |
| 00:17.12 | dataw0lf | yeah, twas ok. |
| 00:17.21 | dataw0lf | I'm excited about the Fantastic Four. |
| 00:17.29 | mindjuju | no kidding, that looks awesome |
| 00:17.42 | mindjuju | but the one thing that bugs me about all the comics movies coming out |
| 00:18.02 | mindjuju | the bad guy always dies. think about how doc ock has always been fighting spiderman |
| 00:18.04 | mindjuju | years! |
| 00:18.12 | mindjuju | to live and die in one movie episode |
| 00:18.16 | mindjuju | hard to get used to |
| 00:18.18 | dataw0lf | yeah, I was pretty upset myself. |
| 00:18.26 | mindjuju | or the joker in batman |
| 00:18.27 | dataw0lf | I actually was talking about that exact thing with my friend the other day. |
| 00:18.36 | mindjuju | the only bad thing about the first batman that I didn't like |
| 00:18.47 | dataw0lf | Now, here's the thing: you know who one of the villians in Spiderman 3 is gonna be, right? |
| 00:18.49 | dataw0lf | I just got the news. |
| 00:18.55 | dataw0lf | And if they kill him I will scream in anger. |
| 00:18.59 | dataw0lf | and cry. |
| 00:19.01 | mindjuju | who? |
| 00:19.01 | dataw0lf | and then scream again. |
| 00:19.05 | dataw0lf | Venom. |
| 00:19.14 | mindjuju | venom, really? |
| 00:19.22 | dataw0lf | Yup. |
| 00:19.22 | mindjuju | are they going to do the whole thing with the suit |
| 00:19.29 | dataw0lf | I dunno. |
| 00:19.29 | mindjuju | no, that's not possible |
| 00:19.42 | dataw0lf | what's not possible? |
| 00:19.58 | mindjuju | he has to go to outerspace to get the suit with a half dozen other super heroes who's name currently illudes me |
| 00:20.11 | mindjuju | find the suit on a remote planet |
| 00:20.11 | mindjuju | live with the suit for a while |
| 00:20.12 | mindjuju | go crazy |
| 00:20.14 | mindjuju | drop the suit |
| 00:20.20 | mindjuju | have the suit spawn |
| 00:20.29 | mindjuju | spawn of suit goes to that guy |
| 00:20.47 | mindjuju | now i can't even think of what the first suit's name is |
| 00:20.56 | dataw0lf | well, they'll probably water down Brock's story a bit. |
| 00:21.12 | mindjuju | yeah, forgot brock's name, yeah |
| 00:21.46 | dataw0lf | I thought the suit first was worn by Spiderman? |
| 00:21.53 | dataw0lf | been a while since I read the comics. |
| 00:22.23 | mindjuju | well, yeah it was |
| 00:22.40 | mindjuju | and then he kicked it off and some other dude got it |
| 00:22.49 | mindjuju | that was during the todd mcfarland time |
| 00:22.51 | mindjuju | remember that? |
| 00:22.55 | dataw0lf | Yup. |
| 00:22.59 | mindjuju | some awesome drawings of spiderman then |
| 00:23.06 | dataw0lf | true. |
| 00:23.29 | dataw0lf | I wonder if Brock will kill himself or if they'll have him live for a spawned series. |
| 00:23.40 | dataw0lf | cause I'm pretty sure Venom is the most popular Spiderman villian. |
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| 00:29.09 | mindjuju | oh! |
| 00:29.22 | mindjuju | i was thinking of carnage |
| 00:29.29 | mindjuju | carnage is son of venom |
| 00:29.41 | mindjuju | kasady is the one in venom |
| 00:29.45 | mindjuju | oops |
| 00:29.52 | mindjuju | sorry, kasady is the one in carnage |
| 00:30.06 | mindjuju | http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/carnage.html |
| 00:30.13 | mindjuju | http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/venom.html |
| 00:31.18 | cycokilr | not his real son though eh? |
| 00:32.02 | mindjuju | no not son of the person in the suit |
| 00:32.05 | mindjuju | son of the suit |
| 00:32.10 | mindjuju | because the suit is an alient |
| 00:32.13 | mindjuju | oops, alien |
| 00:32.48 | cycokilr | ahh.. got it.. |
| 00:33.04 | mindjuju | i stopped reading when I found out about the clone cause i was upset |
| 00:33.10 | mindjuju | then haven't read it since |
| 00:33.14 | mindjuju | though i do miss it |
| 00:52.34 | mindjuju | well, looks like I bailed out of the comic at the right time. Just reading some web boards on what happened is even more painful |
| 00:53.06 | mindjuju | most of the boards I was reading died shortly after I left, I guess they couldn't bear it either |
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| 03:27.37 | wps | I need to verify my understanding of what is required to process credit cards on a website |
| 03:27.40 | wps | anyone? |
| 03:27.47 | wps | you need both a merchant account and a gateway, right? |
| 03:28.14 | wps | the merchant account is with a bank and then the gateway account is with someone like Authorize.Net and is used to process the order and get the order to the bank, right? |
| 03:28.18 | wps | do I have the terminology right? |
| 03:31.03 | jm_ul | i have no idea....but I did find this (it may or may not help you).... http://www.thesitewizard.com/archive/creditcards.shtml |
| 03:32.19 | wps | thanks |
| 03:32.30 | wps | hmm… doesn't say anything about payment gateways |
| 03:32.44 | jm_ul | oh |
| 03:33.00 | wps | probably because it is mostly about using third-party company's in which case they would have their own payment gateways |
| 03:36.14 | jm_ul | MAYBE this one may help....? http://www.ebizwebpages.com/main/accept_credit_cards if it doesn't help, I'll quit suggesting websites. heh. |
| 03:36.34 | wps | looks good |
| 03:36.36 | wps | thanks! |
| 03:36.49 | jm_ul | np |
| 03:37.06 | wps | k… yes… it looks like my description above is correct |
| 03:37.09 | wps | thanks, jm_ul |
| 03:37.15 | wps | I don't think I've seen you in here before |
| 03:37.23 | wps | welcome |
| 03:37.45 | jm_ul | i haven't been here before....but I've been lurking on the mailing list since you started it or whoever started it |
| 03:38.06 | wps | oh? |
| 03:38.08 | wps | what's your name? |
| 03:38.15 | wps | yeah, I (wade) started the mailing list |
| 03:38.16 | jm_ul | john moore |
| 03:38.23 | wps | cool |
| 03:38.34 | wps | hope it's been beneficial for you :) |
| 03:38.40 | dataw0lf | sup guys. |
| 03:38.56 | jm_ul | I moved to california (from utah) and then to colorado which is why I haven't been to any meetings |
| 03:40.23 | jm_ul | yes, it has been beneficial and thanks |
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| 03:49.25 | jm_ul | does endif exist in php 5? I can't find it in the online documentation....unless I'm like blind or something. |
| 03:50.10 | wps | I am not familiar with endif |
| 03:50.13 | wps | where would that be used? |
| 03:50.27 | jm_ul | heh...in an old book I'm reading |
| 03:50.32 | jm_ul | one of the examples |
| 03:51.33 | jm_ul | I'm thinking it is causing my page to get parse errors |
| 03:53.13 | cycokilr | yeah wade.. you have to have a gateway.. most companies now provide both with the same account.. |
| 03:53.19 | wps | ah |
| 03:53.29 | wps | I'm interested in the syntax, jm_ul |
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| 05:07.12 | wps | dataw0lf, you have a few minutes? |
| 05:22.44 | dataw0lf | wps: sup? |
| 05:24.59 | wps | I'm trying to add a mailing list for the group project, but am running into errors |
| 05:25.39 | dataw0lf | got a pastebin? |
| 05:27.09 | wps | to paste the error? |
| 05:27.20 | cycokilr | hi |
| 05:27.52 | cycokilr | i'm install limex.. can you help? |
| 05:28.18 | wps | I am trying to create the new list through the web-based admin and am getting an error that the host uphpu.org is unknown |
| 05:28.31 | wps | someone in #mailman is trying to help me, but we aren't getting anywhere |
| 05:28.47 | wps | so I was curious if you might have any ideas… especially since you had your hands in mailman the other day |
| 05:29.22 | dataw0lf | Never used mailman before, really. |
| 05:29.28 | wps | k |
| 05:29.31 | dataw0lf | cept the other day. |
| 05:29.36 | cycokilr | could it be that uphpu.org isn't set up on the server? maybe just www.uphpu.org is? |
| 05:30.01 | dataw0lf | cycokilr: that's quaint, considering it's hosting the other mailing lists. |
| 05:30.14 | cycokilr | eh.. netcraft shows uphpu.org as setup.. |
| 05:30.20 | dataw0lf | it isn't looking in hostname anyways |
| 05:30.25 | wps | uphpu.org works for http |
| 05:30.30 | dataw0lf | it's probably looking in a config file. |
| 05:30.46 | cycokilr | could it be that there's only one dns server on the listing and it's down? |
| 05:31.00 | wps | well, uphpu.org in a browser works |
| 05:31.17 | cycokilr | nah.. there's two listed.. |
| 05:31.39 | dataw0lf | I guarantee that it's something mailman specific. |
| 05:31.44 | cycokilr | so it's got to be in the config somewhere, eh? |
| 05:32.06 | wps | yeah, mm_cfg.py |
| 05:32.30 | wps | I have made sure that uphpu.org is in there and restart though and am still getting the error |
| 05:32.38 | dataw0lf | wps: I'd try to be more help but I'm trying to bang out these last couple methods (in Python) before I crash. |
| 05:33.19 | wps | no problem |
| 05:33.21 | wps | thanks anyway |
| 05:35.11 | cycokilr | wps: what's the hostname of the computer? |
| 05:38.12 | wps | well… /etc/hostsname doesn't exist |
| 05:38.15 | cycokilr | and what is in /etc/resolve.conf |
| 05:38.35 | cycokilr | the hostname command should tell you.. |
| 05:38.41 | wps | ` /etc/sysconfig/network shows HOSTNAME as pedro.uphpu.org |
| 05:39.02 | cycokilr | and /etc/resolve.conf ? |
| 05:39.29 | wps | that file doesn't exist |
| 05:39.53 | cycokilr | that's a little strange.. that should be on all systems.. |
| 05:40.04 | cycokilr | you might try creating the file.. |
| 05:40.11 | cycokilr | and adding the following to it.. |
| 05:40.17 | cycokilr | nameserver 64.158.219.3 |
| 05:40.30 | cycokilr | nameserver 216.218.240.206 |
| 05:40.52 | cycokilr | those are the nameservers that answer for uphpu.org |
| 05:41.31 | wps | do I need to restart anything? |
| 05:41.36 | cycokilr | nah.. |
| 05:41.38 | wps | or just try again with that there now |
| 05:41.46 | cycokilr | i'd try it with that in place.. |
| 05:45.04 | cycokilr | any luck? |
| 05:46.33 | wps | nope |
| 05:46.35 | wps | :( |
| 05:46.45 | cycokilr | hmm.. |
| 05:47.05 | cycokilr | yeah it may be something in mailman specifically.. |
| 05:47.16 | wps | I think it is |
| 05:47.35 | cycokilr | i don't know mailman at all.. i figured i'd see if we could eliminate any linux stuff.. |
| 05:47.47 | cycokilr | sounds like we did that.. |
| 06:00.21 | wps | this guy is describing my problem: |
| 06:00.21 | wps | http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2004-February/016473.html |
| 06:00.21 | wps | I did what is suggest here: |
| 06:00.21 | wps | http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2004-February/016479.html |
| 06:00.21 | wps | but it still doesn't work |
| 06:01.29 | cycokilr | so you have the add_virtualhost part then? |
| 06:02.02 | wps | yup |
| 06:02.07 | wps | hmm… i just added VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off |
| 06:02.13 | wps | and it appears to have worked now |
| 06:02.16 | wps | I hope I didn't break anything |
| 06:02.25 | wps | I will have to test the lists to make sure they still all work :) |
| 06:02.51 | cycokilr | nah.. according to that post you mentioned.. it shouldn't break anything.. |
| 06:03.32 | cycokilr | this one: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2004-February/016479.html |
| 06:44.48 | wps | alright |
| 06:44.48 | wps | I got the new mailing list set up |
| 06:44.48 | wps | my next obstacle is that I cannot post to it |
| 06:44.48 | wps | the mail is returned undeliverable |
| 06:44.48 | wps | I am using sendmail |
| 06:44.50 | wps | I can't remember… |
| 06:44.53 | wps | where do I tell it to forward mail to the list address off to mailman? |
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| 07:12.29 | wps | dataw0lf, you rock |
| 07:12.41 | wps | looks like the archives are working for the new list I just set up |
| 07:14.23 | eco|w | Don't encourage his vanity. |
| 07:14.31 | wps | :) |
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| 13:51.16 | dataw0lf|w | eco: omgz, did you hear that I rock! |
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| 14:48.29 | greygnome | Morning all |
| 14:49.04 | toxs | morning |
| 14:49.27 | dataw0lf|w | morning |
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| 14:51.43 | mindjuju | 6a came way to early today |
| 14:52.24 | dataw0lf|w | true that. |
| 14:55.58 | bigdog_ut | 8a came too early too |
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| 14:58.17 | mindjuju | yeah, but your noctural, aren't you, staying up way late. I'm still quite nocturnal with my prime time being somewhere between 1a - 4a, but for some reason going through a circadian shift were for some reason I just started to wake up at 6a for no reason and no alarm clock |
| 14:58.26 | mindjuju | i just wake up and can't get back to sleep! |
| 14:58.39 | mindjuju | so started to come to work early, might as well get something done, you know |
| 15:00.18 | bigdog_ut | i do stay up really late...usually to bed at 1a - 2am on a normal night and up at 7am...but today i rolled out of bed at 8am |
| 15:00.40 | mindjuju | sleepin in over there? |
| 15:01.10 | dataw0lf|w | hm, I go to bed at midnight on the weekdays. |
| 15:01.22 | dataw0lf|w | during the weekend I go to bed around 7 am or so. |
| 15:01.43 | toxs | I wish my mom, er I mean wife would let me stay up that late :( |
| 15:01.43 | mindjuju | ya, but your single, aren't you? |
| 15:02.14 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w is single |
| 15:02.35 | bigdog_ut | i usually got to bed at 3am - 4am on the friday/saturday |
| 15:02.38 | mindjuju | yeah, i thought so, hence the stay up all night on weekends |
| 15:02.57 | mindjuju | i mean, who hasn't had a lan party til dawn before marriage? |
| 15:03.25 | mindjuju | cold pizza and a movie at like 8a after the lan party |
| 15:03.31 | mindjuju | everybody crashed out everywhere |
| 15:03.31 | dataw0lf|w | I'm not single at night. |
| 15:03.54 | bigdog_ut | yeah...tierra is right there to pick up the sponage |
| 15:04.04 | bigdog_ut | s/sponage/spoonage/ |
| 15:04.08 | dataw0lf|w | true dat |
| 15:04.12 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 15:05.49 | dataw0lf|w | someone seriously just needs to design NFS on Linux correctly. |
| 15:06.20 | bigdog_ut | i turn that off in the kernels i build...i hate it so |
| 15:07.14 | mindjuju | man! Digitally Imported Goa mix is especially good this morn |
| 15:07.46 | bigdog_ut | im going to the party to have a real good time |
| 15:07.49 | bigdog_ut | - soad |
| 15:07.59 | greygnome | I usually crash around 2-3am and up at 6:30 |
| 15:08.14 | mindjuju | that's 6:30 in the PM right? |
| 15:08.24 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: it's pretty funny that that song did exactly what SOAD meant for it to do. |
| 15:08.29 | greygnome | AM |
| 15:08.35 | bigdog_ut | no doubt |
| 15:08.42 | bigdog_ut | i love the new album |
| 15:08.46 | dataw0lf|w | be incredibly ridiculous and mocking, and all the little kids don't understand that it's making fun of them. |
| 15:08.57 | bigdog_ut | oh yeah |
| 15:09.15 | mindjuju | hey optikal |
| 15:09.28 | mindjuju | you listening to this? |
| 15:09.31 | dataw0lf|w | I hear 'hard core' rockers talk about BYOB, and they're like 'oh, man that's so pop!' I'm like, 'dude, that's the whole POINT you retards, it's a cynical, mocking song' |
| 15:09.51 | bigdog_ut | every song is that way |
| 15:09.53 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 15:10.27 | mindjuju | bummer, album change. this one is starting good at least |
| 15:10.31 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, but they just add that 'pop feel' randomly throughout the song, and all these people feed into it, it's awesome. |
| 15:10.37 | bigdog_ut | every song on that album rocks |
| 15:10.42 | dataw0lf|w | it's a pretty good album. |
| 15:10.48 | dataw0lf|w | I still think Toxicity is their best album. |
| 15:10.57 | bigdog_ut | toxicity is good too |
| 15:10.59 | optikal | mindjuju: whats up? |
| 15:11.11 | mindjuju | you listening to digitally imported - goa mix? |
| 15:11.15 | optikal | Nope |
| 15:11.20 | bigdog_ut | i love bounce on toxicity |
| 15:11.21 | mindjuju | have you ever heard |
| 15:11.22 | mindjuju | Kox Box - Stratosfierce 2001 |
| 15:11.35 | mindjuju | that's what they were playing, it was amazing |
| 15:11.38 | optikal | Dont believe I've ever heard any 'Kox Box' |
| 15:11.39 | mindjuju | have to buy that one |
| 15:11.43 | optikal | ooh were? interesting. |
| 15:11.49 | optikal | Let me check my archive of DI. |
| 15:11.56 | optikal | What station, the Goa station, Im assuming? |
| 15:12.07 | mindjuju | yup, they just had album change |
| 15:12.17 | mindjuju | but if i get the album, i'll let you hear it |
| 15:12.51 | mindjuju | now optikal is a person who knows good music |
| 15:13.07 | optikal | hehe. I like a very large variety, indeed. |
| 15:13.08 | dataw0lf|w | heh. |
| 15:13.25 | optikal | :P |
| 15:13.37 | dataw0lf|w | If I want to listen to electronica, I'll throw my computer against the wall with the speakers hooked up. |
| 15:13.41 | dataw0lf|w | that's what that crap sounds like to me. |
| 15:13.55 | optikal | Electronica? I hate it when its called that, I much prefer 'Electronic'. Sounds less 80s. |
| 15:14.09 | dataw0lf|w | I'll call it whatever I want. |
| 15:14.11 | optikal | And Trance is not a form of 'Electronica'. Electronica doesn't have 140bpm. |
| 15:14.17 | optikal | But, call it what you wish, indeed. :) |
| 15:14.17 | dataw0lf|w | How about untalented pile of crap? |
| 15:14.24 | bigdog_ut | if there is not drums and guitars...then no need to listen |
| 15:14.26 | optikal | That works too. :P |
| 15:14.35 | dataw0lf|w | true dat, bigdog, true dat. |
| 15:14.54 | optikal | I prefer to have a large tastey of music than just always listening to drums and guitars. |
| 15:15.01 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, which is your problem. |
| 15:15.03 | optikal | ack. *larger taste in music |
| 15:15.08 | mindjuju | yeah, how long did it take for me to find something for bigdog to listen to? like 45 minutes? |
| 15:15.20 | mindjuju | finally setteling on steve vai? |
| 15:15.22 | optikal | I wouldnt consider it a problem. I prefer knowing and enjoying many different forms of music. |
| 15:15.35 | bigdog_ut | i perfer talent of some sort |
| 15:15.47 | bigdog_ut | mixing other peoples stuff sucks |
| 15:15.56 | dataw0lf|w | well don't bring your neo hippy crap over to my music, and we'll be fine. |
| 15:16.01 | optikal | Well.. Unless you have spun yourself, I dont think you can honestly say it lacks talent. |
| 15:16.37 | dataw0lf|w | I've known alot of guys who spin and mix, each and every one of them was some lazy ass who played guitar for a couple months and didn't have the talent nor dedication to stick to it. |
| 15:17.03 | optikal | Ive known a handful of those too. Infact, I sort of became one after 8months on the guitar.. but thats simply because playing guitar wasn't my thing. |
| 15:17.12 | dataw0lf|w | I'm not going to say that there aren't talented guys who mix. |
| 15:17.20 | optikal | Surely, but they are less. |
| 15:17.23 | dataw0lf|w | but I'd say that it takes much more talent to play in a band then to spin and mix. |
| 15:17.35 | optikal | I admit that.. but its also a new genre of music that hasn't really been considered popular except for the past 4 years. *shrug* |
| 15:17.52 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, rock was new when Jimi Hendrix was jamming, so what? |
| 15:17.56 | optikal | I dont really know if I would even attempt to compare the two. |
| 15:18.13 | mindjuju | true! not fair comparison |
| 15:18.16 | optikal | They both take talent, they both take a lot of dedication, and in my opinion, they both produce awesome music. I wont argue the two against eachother in which takes more talent. |
| 15:18.24 | dataw0lf|w | cause you'll lose. |
| 15:18.41 | mindjuju | pffbbt |
| 15:18.45 | bigdog_ut | man i just cant see how it is music |
| 15:18.50 | optikal | Im not looking to be on one side or the other.. Im looking to bullsh** about music. |
| 15:18.52 | dataw0lf|w | it isn't music, it's noise. |
| 15:18.58 | bigdog_ut | i mean...moving between melodies...changing tempos or keys |
| 15:19.06 | optikal | You sound like my grandmother describing Rock and Roll or something. :P |
| 15:19.35 | mindjuju | i think you stumped them |
| 15:19.43 | bigdog_ut | but that is the thing...listening to something change and the harmonies...that makes the music good |
| 15:19.43 | dataw0lf|w | stumped them on what? |
| 15:19.51 | mindjuju | stumped ya on a comeback |
| 15:19.55 | dataw0lf|w | haha! |
| 15:20.03 | dataw0lf|w | actually, I'm looking through my mp3 player |
| 15:20.14 | dataw0lf|w | if you think I'll ever be stumped on a comeback, maybe I should speak with you more. |
| 15:20.14 | mindjuju | optikal's grandmother = +5 against all datawolfs |
| 15:20.33 | dataw0lf|w | besides, I tone myself down in here. |
| 15:20.40 | optikal | I think most of us do. |
| 15:20.40 | dataw0lf|w | come to urapug if you want to see me lart someone. |
| 15:20.43 | optikal | Err no, mostly you and I. |
| 15:20.47 | optikal | haha. |
| 15:20.52 | mindjuju | ah! you were stumped, he got ya |
| 15:21.37 | macnewbold | wps: did you get your credit card thing figured out? If you need authorize.net, or a merchant account, let me know. we're authorized resellers for them. (they don't sell direct anymore.) |
| 15:21.43 | dataw0lf|w | the insult wasn't worthy of a come back, mindjuju. |
| 15:21.57 | dataw0lf|w | 'I sound like his grandmother' ?? gimme a break. |
| 15:21.59 | dataw0lf|w | get out more. |
| 15:22.02 | wps | I think so, macnewbold |
| 15:22.02 | optikal | But I definately see where you two are coming from regarding guitars and drums.. nothing will _ever_ replace the feeling a good rock song, or a song composed with guitars and drums, does for me. :) |
| 15:22.07 | wps | I wasn't actually trying to set something up |
| 15:22.08 | mindjuju | i've never had a problem with authorize.net |
| 15:22.12 | mindjuju | way good service |
| 15:22.26 | wps | I was just putting together a proposal for a client and needed to make sure I had the terminology correct |
| 15:22.39 | toxs | how much does authorize.net charge? |
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| 15:23.08 | mindjuju | depends on the reseller, but well, mac is a reseller, aren't you? |
| 15:23.31 | mindjuju | you ought to email mac, I think he has kin at authorize.net |
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| 15:26.07 | macnewbold | wps: okay... holler if you have any questions about it or need to set something up |
| 15:26.20 | macnewbold | mindjuju: yes, reseller, and my sister-in-law works there |
| 15:26.48 | wps | thanks |
| 15:26.49 | macnewbold | toxs: I think the usual cost is $20/month for the gateway service, plus maybe a very small per-transaction fee |
| 15:27.24 | macnewbold | but that's separate from merchant account |
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| 15:27.50 | toxs | better than Verisign? |
| 15:28.12 | macnewbold | I also recently found out that some merchant accounts don't allow internet use, and are just for retail |
| 15:28.19 | macnewbold | toxs: _way_ better than verisign |
| 15:28.26 | greygnome | macnewbold: Heya. I finally copied the audio from the meeting over to my hard drive. It is ~135MB. Who do want me to send it to? |
| 15:28.29 | macnewbold | I've had to use verisign's stuff, and I think it's totally lame |
| 15:28.30 | optikal | hehe.. Verisign. Heh. |
| 15:28.41 | macnewbold | wps: where should we put the audio from the last project meeting? |
| 15:28.46 | optikal | greygnome: what audio format is that in? |
| 15:28.51 | greygnome | MP3 |
| 15:29.00 | wps | how big is it? |
| 15:29.00 | optikal | werd |
| 15:29.08 | greygnome | ~135 MB |
| 15:29.52 | bigdog_ut | wow that is alot |
| 15:29.57 | macnewbold | wps: are there bandwidth quotas on the uphpu server? |
| 15:29.59 | bigdog_ut | convert it to ogg |
| 15:30.06 | macnewbold | it's over 2 hrs long |
| 15:30.13 | bigdog_ut | man that is alot |
| 15:30.20 | dataw0lf|w | tierra might be down for hosting it, I'm unsure. |
| 15:30.21 | bigdog_ut | even for talking |
| 15:30.23 | mindjuju | can't it be sampled at a lower rate since it's just speak |
| 15:30.37 | bigdog_ut | yeah it should be at a lower rate and ogg it |
| 15:30.45 | dataw0lf|w | mindjuju: then you won't hear the intricacies of my sexy voice, can't do that! |
| 15:31.22 | mindjuju | oh yeah! my bad |
| 15:31.31 | wps | macnewbold. once you get it in a format that pleases everyone, let me know and I can give you what you need to upload it to the server |
| 15:35.09 | macnewbold | k |
| 15:35.24 | macnewbold | anyone want to convert it to ogg or spx or something? |
| 15:35.29 | macnewbold | or should we just leave it mp3? |
| 15:35.45 | bigdog_ut | convert to lower bit rate and then to ogg |
| 15:35.55 | bigdog_ut | i can do it if everyone is busy |
| 15:36.05 | bigdog_ut | i just need to know where to get it |
| 15:36.47 | bigdog_ut | greygnome where is the file located at? |
| 15:39.09 | greygnome | On my hard drive. I'm downloading some software right now to convert it to Ogg and I'll see if I can lower the rate as well. |
| 15:39.19 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 15:39.28 | bigdog_ut | if you need help let me know |
| 15:40.15 | bigdog_ut | drip, your pimpin majesty rocks |
| 15:41.19 | dataw0lf|w | hm |
| 15:41.26 | dataw0lf|w | drip must've gotten ahold of bigdog_ut's computer |
| 15:41.36 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 15:41.59 | bigdog_ut | obviously im bored at work today |
| 15:42.15 | bigdog_ut | im contemplating rebuilding servers |
| 15:43.17 | greygnome | So is Phlyte the final name? If not I like PHLite a little better. |
| 15:44.31 | wps | good call, greygnome |
| 15:44.34 | dataw0lf|w | you know, I was thinking on that, and I think Phlyte might be ok. Then, we can have one name for both the PHP and Python project, since it's derived from both PHP and Python. |
| 15:44.43 | dataw0lf|w | (the name) |
| 15:45.02 | wps | hmm… that's a good point too :) |
| 15:45.04 | dataw0lf|w | rather than naming something two different names based on the language, we can just have the PHP version and the Python version. |
| 15:45.13 | bigdog_ut | that is cool |
| 15:45.30 | dataw0lf|w | I honestly don't care about the name, though. |
| 15:45.42 | toxs | will a framework written in php port that well to python? |
| 15:45.52 | dataw0lf|w | with me porting it? yup. |
| 15:45.56 | dataw0lf|w | :P |
| 15:46.32 | dataw0lf|w | the Python team will have quite a bit more work to do. |
| 15:46.40 | toxs | so porting php stuff to python is worth the time? |
| 15:46.45 | dataw0lf|w | to me it is. |
| 15:46.49 | dataw0lf|w | and to bigdog_ut as well. |
| 15:46.51 | dataw0lf|w | and several others. |
| 15:47.56 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: good idea about having the php/python versions have the same name |
| 15:48.38 | toxs | I just thought that python would port more from java than php? |
| 15:48.46 | macnewbold | I also agree with greygnome - if it weren't for the python thing, I like phlite better too |
| 15:48.49 | greygnome | That's cool with me. I just liked the "Lite" part because it emphasizes the slimline nature of the framework. |
| 15:48.52 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 15:49.09 | macnewbold | what we need is a tagline or very brief one-liner description |
| 15:49.23 | macnewbold | and to decide on capitalization :) |
| 15:49.45 | macnewbold | something like "phlyte: light-weight php/python web framework" |
| 15:49.47 | dataw0lf|w | toxs: it doesn't matter what language you're porting it from (I wouldn't port anything from java to python in fear of somehow infecting my code), as long as you do it right. |
| 15:50.42 | dataw0lf|w | toxs: and C++ code ports easier than Java. |
| 15:50.46 | dataw0lf|w | (to Python) |
| 15:50.51 | toxs | cool |
| 15:51.00 | dataw0lf|w | C code ports easier to Python as well. |
| 15:51.14 | toxs | is there a utah python user group? |
| 15:51.34 | dataw0lf|w | a Ruby and Python User Group. |
| 15:51.37 | dataw0lf|w | /join #urapug |
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| 15:51.52 | toxs | are they that close? |
| 15:52.01 | wps | like brothers |
| 15:52.04 | bigdog_ut | yes...we are one and the same |
| 15:52.19 | toxs | are the languages that close? |
| 15:53.04 | dataw0lf|w | Python is like the really, really cool brother. And Ruby is like the nerdy one that never got to hang out with anyone, then got a hawt girlfriend (Rails) and now everyone is placating him so they can hang out with the girl. |
| 15:53.17 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 15:53.21 | optikal | haha |
| 15:53.23 | wps | :) |
| 15:53.25 | bigdog_ut | that is a really good one |
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| 15:56.31 | *** topic/#uphpu is BBQ coming soon | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 15:56.34 | toxs | dataw0lf: if you really don't like php why are you here? |
| 15:56.40 | toxs | good company? |
| 15:56.44 | dataw0lf|w | toxs: 'best solution at this time' |
| 15:56.52 | toxs | cool |
| 15:57.01 | toxs | use it at work? |
| 15:57.30 | dataw0lf|w | I do some contracting with it, but most of the programming I do at my fulltime job is in bash, C, or Python. |
| 15:57.53 | dataw0lf|w | but I'm the lead network engineer, I don't do much programming. Just hacked solutions for various problems. |
| 15:58.02 | toxs | cool |
| 15:58.26 | dataw0lf|w | I love programming, but I don't like working the traditional 'software engineer, 40 hours a week at a desk' jobs. |
| 15:58.30 | toxs | you probably have terabytes worth of data? |
| 15:58.34 | dataw0lf|w | been there, done that, too boring. |
| 15:58.47 | dataw0lf|w | Yes. Many, many terabytes. |
| 15:58.56 | toxs | cool stuff |
| 15:59.13 | toxs | you get to go fly? |
| 15:59.21 | dataw0lf|w | I prefer network / system administration over programming as a job. |
| 15:59.36 | dataw0lf|w | you think they'll let me out of my cave to go fly all the time? |
| 16:00.26 | toxs | I prefer the programming to system admin stuff |
| 16:00.44 | toxs | I like creating things |
| 16:01.05 | dataw0lf|w | don't get me wrong. I love programming in my spare time on various projects, and contract work is fine. |
| 16:01.47 | dataw0lf|w | but the large team, office yuppie thing isn't my style. |
| 16:02.06 | dataw0lf|w | I fry myself quickly, too. |
| 16:02.48 | toxs | I hear that |
| 16:03.28 | toxs | as long as we are talking buzz words (rails) anyone jumping on the ajax band wagon? |
| 16:05.26 | macnewbold | ~ajax |
| 16:05.36 | macnewbold | looks like someone needs to teach jbot about ajax |
| 16:09.42 | mindjuju | what the heck is this! |
| 16:09.43 | mindjuju | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=60351&item=7522325178&rd=1 |
| 16:09.55 | mindjuju | those are some of the goofiest poses i think i've ever seen |
| 16:10.20 | mindjuju | darth with his head titled? ack! i can't bear it |
| 16:10.52 | dataw0lf|w | toxs: haven't used ajax, heard good things. I'm not much of a web developer though, I'd probably hurt myself. |
| 16:13.23 | macnewbold | what the heck, mindjuju - min. bid $4, or buy-it-now for $5, and pay $8 flat rate shipping |
| 16:13.37 | macnewbold | that's a ridiculous joke |
| 16:13.43 | mindjuju | yeah, i hate jacked up shipping rates |
| 16:13.49 | mindjuju | but that poster is messed up |
| 16:14.00 | mindjuju | darth looks like a pansie there |
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| 16:23.50 | macnewbold | k, quick question for everyone: |
| 16:24.00 | macnewbold | what's the right way to capitalize phlyte? |
| 16:24.29 | macnewbold | Phlyte - PHlyte - PHLyte - PhLyte |
| 16:24.40 | greygnome | PHLyte |
| 16:24.48 | macnewbold | it's always pronounced like "flight" though - and that should be clear from the capitaliztion |
| 16:25.03 | macnewbold | yeah, I lean towards either Phlyte or PHLyte, myself |
| 16:25.40 | macnewbold | I'm also a little worried that if PHLyte is the proper way, it will end up as Phlyte a lot anyway, when people don't know |
| 16:25.51 | macnewbold | there will always be phlyte that will show up too |
| 16:26.16 | macnewbold | speaking of which, we probably ought to have phlyte.uphpu.org point to our project web site/wiki thingy |
| 16:26.54 | macnewbold | anyone else have an opinion? |
| 16:27.10 | macnewbold | I thought I could always count on dataw0lf and bigdog_ut to have opinions... but they're sleeping this morning |
| 16:27.32 | macnewbold | mindjuju or anyone else have thoughts? |
| 16:27.51 | mindjuju | on waking datawolf? you have to say something controversial |
| 16:27.54 | mindjuju | like |
| 16:28.04 | mindjuju | I want the amendment for flag burning to pass |
| 16:28.16 | mindjuju | he should respond back in a moment if he is near his box |
| 16:28.16 | toxs | PHLyte |
| 16:29.29 | macnewbold | k, that's 2.5 for PHLyte, and .5 for Phlyte |
| 16:29.31 | macnewbold | any more votes? |
| 16:29.40 | mindjuju | phLyte, phLYTE hmmm...PHlyte hmmm |
| 16:30.15 | macnewbold | phLyte I could maybe go for |
| 16:30.40 | macnewbold | there's always the no-caps way, which we could make official, |
| 16:30.50 | macnewbold | but again, I think people will still end up saying Phlyte sometimes |
| 16:31.56 | mindjuju | i'd say either Phlyte or phLyte |
| 16:31.59 | toxs | I kind of like phLyte |
| 16:32.26 | dataw0lf|w | Phlyte -- my vote |
| 16:33.20 | bigdog_ut | phlyte +1 |
| 16:34.53 | macnewbold | okay, so 1.5 for PHLyte, 1.5 for phlyte, 2 for Phlyte, 1 for phLyte |
| 16:34.58 | macnewbold | that helps a lot |
| 16:35.01 | macnewbold | thanks guys |
| 16:35.06 | macnewbold | :-p |
| 16:36.05 | dataw0lf|w | the voices in my head are voting for Phlyte too. |
| 16:36.05 | *** join/#uphpu fungus (~fungus@firebat.aros.net) |
| 16:37.03 | mindjuju | sup fungus |
| 16:37.32 | dataw0lf|w | fungus: PHLyte, phlyte, Phlyte, or phLyte ? |
| 16:37.35 | fungus | back to work. :( |
| 16:37.52 | fungus | phlyte |
| 16:37.58 | fungus | I like lowecase |
| 16:38.04 | fungus | +r |
| 16:38.13 | dataw0lf|w | ok, so your vote doesn't count. |
| 16:38.16 | dataw0lf|w | anyone else? |
| 16:38.16 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 16:38.18 | dataw0lf|w | ;) |
| 16:38.21 | fungus | heh |
| 16:38.26 | bigdog_ut | phlyte +1 |
| 16:41.21 | bigdog_ut | phlyte +1 |
| 16:41.22 | bigdog_ut | phlyte +1 |
| 16:41.22 | bigdog_ut | phlyte +1 |
| 16:41.39 | bigdog_ut | man those computer voting machines rock |
| 16:42.16 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 16:42.20 | dataw0lf|w | rol |
| 16:43.13 | macnewbold | so is there anyone severely opposed to phlyte or Phlyte? |
| 16:43.21 | bigdog_ut | no |
| 16:43.43 | macnewbold | if not, I'm thinking we may want to make both of them officially acceptable ways, with the all lowercase version being the more common one |
| 16:43.56 | dataw0lf|w | I'm opposed to phlyte on the moral grounds that bigdog voted for it. |
| 16:44.02 | macnewbold | ~kick dataw0lf |
| 16:44.04 | jbot | bugger off sod! |
| 16:44.07 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 16:44.30 | macnewbold | anyone whose opinion matters? |
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| 16:47.10 | macnewbold | ~welcome fungus |
| 16:47.11 | jbot | Howdy, fungus! |
| 16:48.34 | dataw0lf|w | ~antagonize macnewbold |
| 16:48.41 | dataw0lf|w | hm. shame. |
| 16:48.51 | mindjuju | try shakespeare |
| 16:48.56 | greygnome | ~welcome fungus |
| 16:48.58 | jbot | Good to see you, fungus! |
| 16:49.08 | mindjuju | ~shakespeare datawolf |
| 16:49.09 | jbot | ACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: datawolf - datawolf's brain is as dry as the remainder biscuit after a voyage. |
| 16:49.27 | macnewbold | okay, last call for real opposition to a "phlyte or Phlyte" policy? |
| 16:49.27 | dataw0lf|w | Ha! |
| 16:49.42 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: sounds good to me. |
| 16:49.54 | mindjuju | datawolf, it has a randomizer in it that has like 10 insults from the works of shakespeare |
| 16:49.57 | fungus | What is the count so far? also, does it really matter that we decide now? |
| 16:50.15 | dataw0lf|w | ~shakespeare mindjuju |
| 16:50.17 | jbot | ACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: mindjuju - Thou tottering pottle-deep moldwarp! |
| 16:50.31 | dataw0lf|w | ha! a moldwarp you are, yes indeed. |
| 16:50.50 | dataw0lf|w | I had my moldwarp removed a couple days ago. |
| 16:50.54 | dataw0lf|w | painful procedure. |
| 16:51.01 | mindjuju | i need to put provisions in my insults to prevent friendly fire |
| 16:51.20 | mindjuju | ~porkchop datawolf |
| 16:51.21 | jbot | ACTION spits on a porkchop and feeds it to datawolf Eat up! |
| 16:51.28 | dataw0lf|w | thanks jbot. |
| 16:52.20 | mindjuju | nice and juicy i bet |
| 16:52.24 | dataw0lf|w | oh yeah. |
| 16:52.31 | dataw0lf|w | still kinda hungry though |
| 16:52.34 | dataw0lf|w | ~porkchop dataw0lf |
| 16:52.37 | jbot | ACTION spits on a porkchop and feeds it to dataw0lf Eat up! |
| 16:52.41 | dataw0lf|w | danke. |
| 16:54.13 | macnewbold | fungus: we need to decide soon is all |
| 16:54.28 | macnewbold | I figure IRC is as good a gauge of opinion as anywhere else |
| 16:54.41 | macnewbold | plus many may not be on the new mailing list yet |
| 16:56.05 | fungus | new mailing list? |
| 16:56.22 | fungus | oh yeah, there it is. thanks for subscribing me. |
| 16:58.59 | macnewbold | everyone who told me they were interested got subscribed by Wade |
| 16:59.07 | macnewbold | but I'm sure we missed some who care |
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| 17:51.56 | greygnome | Just finished converting and lowering the rate on the audio file. It's now only 43MB. |
| 17:52.05 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 17:54.49 | greygnome | It sounds a little tinny but I think it will work. |
| 17:56.34 | greygnome | I recorded it on my Archos Jukebox Recorder. It works pretty well other than it picked up the keyboard pounding on nearby laptops and the spin up of its own hard drive. |
| 17:57.33 | greygnome | macnewbold: where can I find a list of the fun commands for the bot? |
| 17:57.39 | macnewbold | sweet |
| 17:57.47 | macnewbold | um, a list... I don't know if there is one |
| 17:57.52 | macnewbold | mostly we just try stuff |
| 17:57.53 | macnewbold | :) |
| 17:57.58 | macnewbold | and learn by observation |
| 17:58.01 | macnewbold | or teach it fun stuff |
| 17:58.03 | macnewbold | ~roulette |
| 17:58.04 | jbot | |roulette |
| 17:58.08 | macnewbold | oh yeah |
| 17:58.32 | macnewbold | that was a change we made that tied into another bot in #utah called brigham |
| 17:58.43 | macnewbold | that would make jbot run it's roulette command, |
| 17:58.48 | macnewbold | which would make jbot run his |
| 17:58.53 | macnewbold | so they'd get in roulette wards |
| 17:58.55 | macnewbold | wars |
| 17:58.55 | fungus | You can use ~listkeys or ~listvalues to search for possible options |
| 17:58.59 | macnewbold | ~listkeys |
| 17:59.03 | macnewbold | wow |
| 17:59.05 | macnewbold | cool |
| 17:59.16 | fungus | ~listkeys roulette |
| 17:59.21 | macnewbold | jbot: test |
| 17:59.22 | jbot | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 17:59.40 | greygnome | ~listvalues |
| 17:59.42 | fungus | ~listvalues betwetting |
| 17:59.52 | fungus | ~listvalues bedwetting |
| 17:59.56 | macnewbold | s/tw/dw/ |
| 18:00.30 | fungus | The list would be too enormous to list them all. |
| 18:01.14 | greygnome | ~bedwetting fungus |
| 18:01.35 | greygnome | ~frenchtaunt fungus |
| 18:01.36 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! fungus is an English bedwetting type! |
| 18:01.57 | macnewbold | wps: is the phlyte list working? I sent a message almost 10 minutes ago, and nothing seems to have happened with it |
| 18:02.04 | greygnome | fungus: Sorry, just practicing on you. |
| 18:02.36 | greygnome | jbot: roulette |
| 18:02.37 | jbot | |roulette |
| 18:02.45 | greygnome | jbot: bedwetting |
| 18:03.07 | mindjuju | greygnome, try nyuk |
| 18:03.58 | greygnome | jbot: nyuk |
| 18:04.09 | mindjuju | like this |
| 18:04.14 | mindjuju | ~nyuk fungus |
| 18:04.15 | jbot | ACTION grabs fungus nose and hammers it with his other hand! |
| 18:04.20 | greygnome | LOL |
| 18:04.32 | mindjuju | ~wiseguy fungus |
| 18:04.33 | jbot | ACTION runs up to fungus and pokes fungus in the eyes! |
| 18:05.05 | mindjuju | or my fav |
| 18:05.09 | greygnome | I like that one. |
| 18:05.10 | mindjuju | ~nosepick fungus |
| 18:05.13 | jbot | ACTION plucks fungus out of the nose of humanity and flicks him out the window! |
| 18:06.23 | mindjuju | i need to make up some new ones |
| 18:07.20 | greygnome | fungus: I noticed that you mentioned that you play WoW. Which realm do you play on? |
| 18:08.08 | greygnome | ~wake fungus |
| 18:08.09 | jbot | fungus: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 18:08.21 | fungus | greygnome, Windrunner |
| 18:08.46 | fungus | My guild is http://solid.ity.org/wow/ |
| 18:09.12 | greygnome | I'm over on Stonemaul currently |
| 18:10.30 | greygnome | A friend of mine in California plays on that server so I figured WTH. |
| 18:11.18 | fungus | a bunch of coworkers and ex coworkers got me hooked |
| 18:12.09 | greygnome | Do you play horde or alliance? |
| 18:12.31 | fungus | both. |
| 18:13.12 | fungus | http://www.kittypee.com/gallery/charphoto/WoWScrnShot_032505_012507 |
| 18:13.20 | fungus | http://www.kittypee.com/gallery/charphoto/WoWScrnShot_041305_013701 |
| 18:14.54 | greygnome | Is that a gnome mage? |
| 18:15.10 | fungus | warlock |
| 18:15.58 | fungus | I put him off for now, he is only 45. My Shaman is up to 32 now though. |
| 18:16.40 | greygnome | Aack. I have a gnome mage that just I reached the lowly level of 18 with last night. |
| 18:17.21 | greygnome | I've only played about 50 hours though so maybe I'm not doing too bad. |
| 18:17.36 | fungus | I used to be addicted to EQ |
| 18:17.40 | greygnome | Me too |
| 18:18.27 | greygnome | Have you heard of anyone playing WoW under Linux or FreeBSD? |
| 18:18.38 | fungus | Alas, no. :( |
| 18:20.03 | macnewbold | FreeBSD! w00t! |
| 18:20.41 | gthornock | Wine claims to support WoW, but I can't verify the claim: I've never tried WoW, with Wine or otherwise. |
| 18:20.47 | greygnome | I want to change my desktop over to one of them and possibly compile the source for Cedega so I don't have to pay for it. |
| 18:21.35 | macnewbold | ~welcome everyone |
| 18:21.36 | jbot | everyone, Sup yo? |
| 18:21.41 | macnewbold | ~wake everyone |
| 18:21.42 | jbot | everyone: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 18:21.43 | greygnome | Unfortunately I'm a total noob at that kind of stuff so I'm very, shall we say, apprehensive. |
| 18:21.46 | macnewbold | check out #phlyte |
| 18:21.50 | macnewbold | we've got our own channel now |
| 18:21.58 | fungus | My main desktops are all FreeBSD, except my one WoW box. |
| 18:22.45 | cycokilr | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_and_update_World_Of_Warcraft_with_wine |
| 18:22.51 | gthornock | Mine are FreeBSD, too, except my Powerbook. |
| 18:23.27 | greygnome | Thanks for the link. I'll have to read up on it. |
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| 18:23.46 | fungus | My Powerbook is OSX, but that isn't a desktop. :) |
| 18:24.38 | fungus | thanks cycokilr, I can now convert my last windows box to linux. All rejoice. |
| 18:24.53 | gthornock | OK, if we're distinguishing between desktops and laptops, I don't have any desktops, except the one sacrificial Windows box I use for Outlook at work. |
| 18:24.54 | cycokilr | nice.. |
| 18:25.51 | fungus | My tally is 1 Powerbook, 1 Windows (WoW only), and 4 FreeBSD, and 1 OpenBSD |
| 18:27.01 | toxs | 2 powerbooks, 0 Windows and 2 G5s |
| 18:27.46 | macnewbold | dataw0lf, bigdog_ut, toxs, mindjuju, and everyone else involved in phlyte: join #phlyte |
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| 18:32.32 | macnewbold | ~seen TimRiker |
| 18:32.33 | jbot | timriker is currently on #bzflag (51m 44s) #utah (51m 44s) #elinux (51m 44s). Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 50m 39s |
| 18:34.31 | greygnome | ~seen greygnome |
| 18:34.31 | jbot | i haven't seen 'greygnome', greygnome |
| 18:34.48 | fungus | lol |
| 18:35.27 | fungus | jbot, are you blind? |
| 18:35.55 | greygnome | Nah, he's just a little myopic. |
| 18:36.37 | macnewbold | ~seen greygnome |
| 18:36.38 | jbot | i haven't seen 'greygnome', macnewbold |
| 18:36.43 | macnewbold | hm |
| 18:36.49 | macnewbold | am I typing that wrong or something? |
| 18:36.55 | macnewbold | ~seen macnewbold |
| 18:36.56 | jbot | macnewbold is currently on #utah (4m 14s). Has said a total of 69 messages. Is idling for 1s |
| 18:37.09 | macnewbold | ah |
| 18:37.14 | fungus | ~seen fungus |
| 18:37.15 | jbot | fungus is currently on #utah (1h 52m 2s). Has said a total of 25 messages. Is idling for 1s |
| 18:37.20 | macnewbold | it's only registering _ibot_ channels, not jbot channels |
| 18:37.36 | fungus | ahh, |
| 18:37.44 | greygnome | Hmm. I'm on #utah also |
| 18:38.08 | mindjuju | i wonder why people get all bent out of shape about this |
| 18:38.08 | mindjuju | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050615/ap_on_sc/evolution_debate;_ylt=ArdUiR1YI0jKaSiXv21rk_2s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2aWxpajE2BHNlYwNzYw-- |
| 18:38.26 | mindjuju | it's possible to teach biology leaving that 5 minute conversation out |
| 18:38.56 | mindjuju | and just not mention evolution or creationism |
| 18:39.19 | mindjuju | all animals still fit neatly into kingdom, phylum, class, order, genus, species |
| 18:39.27 | fungus | evolution is an important part of science, and has been for many years. |
| 18:39.39 | fungus | the Christian Right is outta control. |
| 18:40.12 | mindjuju | well, you don't have to say evolution to teach biology, just like you don't have to say creationism |
| 18:40.20 | mindjuju | you'll never get the two to mix, so why try |
| 18:40.35 | mindjuju | just leave that 5 minute segment out and you can still teach biology |
| 18:40.45 | mindjuju | this way, it is up to the parent to teach that 5 minute segment |
| 18:40.54 | mindjuju | if parents are atheist then evolution |
| 18:41.08 | mindjuju | if parents religious, then creationism |
| 18:41.22 | greygnome | I agree |
| 18:41.30 | mindjuju | see what i mean, either which way a monkey is still a primate |
| 18:41.49 | mindjuju | roses are still in the plant kingdom |
| 18:42.08 | macnewbold | evolution is a principle |
| 18:42.22 | macnewbold | and is not necessarily tied to the way the world became the way it is today |
| 18:42.53 | macnewbold | the principle is true regardless of whether it had a role in the creation of the world we know |
| 18:43.50 | greygnome | It is amazing how closed minded both sides can be. All I know is that none of us knows even a fraction of all there is out there, so we should be open to ideas from both sides. |
| 18:44.24 | dataw0lf|w | Right, but evolution is a proven fact. It is, only creationism apologists ever dispute that fact. |
| 18:44.32 | dataw0lf|w | You can't say the same thing about creationism, I'm afraid. |
| 18:45.42 | dataw0lf|w | http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html Read this if you want more information. |
| 18:46.59 | mindjuju | see, that's pretty narrowminded there, though datawolf |
| 18:47.06 | mindjuju | theory keeps changing |
| 18:47.10 | mindjuju | not really a theory |
| 18:47.11 | dataw0lf|w | Sure, theory keeps changing. |
| 18:47.19 | dataw0lf|w | Our representation of the world keeps changing. |
| 18:47.20 | dataw0lf|w | HOWEVER |
| 18:47.21 | mindjuju | see, and by defs, a theory doesn't change |
| 18:47.30 | mindjuju | it is a description of a fact |
| 18:47.30 | dataw0lf|w | read the link I posted. |
| 18:47.33 | dataw0lf|w | now HOWEVER |
| 18:47.40 | dataw0lf|w | other things change too. |
| 18:47.47 | dataw0lf|w | that doesn't change the fact that we teach those in school. |
| 18:48.11 | dataw0lf|w | Evolution, and biological grow thereof, has more basis in science than creationism. |
| 18:48.14 | dataw0lf|w | That's a fact. |
| 18:48.26 | dataw0lf|w | So, we should teach it in school. |
| 18:48.37 | dataw0lf|w | I might be a bit biased; my father is an anthropologist. |
| 18:49.06 | dataw0lf|w | I could probably invite him in here for such a discussion, he debates on the subject about once a month with various religious leaders. |
| 18:49.27 | dataw0lf|w | Now, debating against creationism is just as foolish as debating for it. |
| 18:49.31 | dataw0lf|w | it's faith based. |
| 18:49.35 | dataw0lf|w | Not science based. |
| 18:49.41 | dataw0lf|w | Which I have alot of respect for. |
| 18:49.50 | mindjuju | brb, sorry, emergency |
| 18:55.14 | dataw0lf|w | Now, you could possibly argue that the theory of natural selection should not be taught in school. |
| 18:55.36 | fungus | [12:41] mindjujuif parents are atheist then evolution |
| 18:55.36 | fungus | [12:41] mindjujuif parents religious, then creationism |
| 18:55.37 | macnewbold | ~say <action> invites cycokilr dataw0lf wps bigdog_ut drip eco gthornock jm_ul optikal- RyanE scott synic usynic xilch to join #phlyte |
| 18:55.58 | macnewbold | ~action |
| 18:55.58 | jbot | ACTION forgets what action did. |
| 18:55.58 | fungus | Actually many religious people believe in evolution |
| 18:56.11 | macnewbold | ~action foo |
| 18:56.17 | dataw0lf|w | it's not believing in evolution, fungus. |
| 18:56.20 | dataw0lf|w | evolution IS a fact. |
| 18:56.24 | dataw0lf|w | natural selection is a theory. |
| 18:56.28 | dataw0lf|w | Evolution happens. |
| 18:56.44 | fungus | true |
| 18:56.49 | dataw0lf|w | Now, Darwin said 'Natural Selection is my proposed theory for how the mechanics of evolution happen' or some such |
| 18:56.56 | dataw0lf|w | and that's what most pro creationists get confused. |
| 18:56.59 | fungus | Until creationism has a proven scientific theory, it shouldn't be taught in schools. |
| 18:57.15 | dataw0lf|w | We can also look at it this way. |
| 18:57.27 | dataw0lf|w | The prevailing minds of this day, and of yore, agree that evolution is a fact. |
| 18:57.43 | dataw0lf|w | In a world where some sort of creationist 'myth' or 'belief' is the vast majority. |
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| 18:57.52 | dataw0lf|w | Taking that logic, those minds are creationists. |
| 18:58.09 | dataw0lf|w | You can be a creationist and acknowledge the fact of evolution. |
| 18:58.24 | macnewbold | right |
| 18:58.40 | fungus | Yes, thank you. |
| 18:58.45 | dataw0lf|w | I'm an uncreationist myself. |
| 18:59.23 | macnewbold | ~literal tell |
| 18:59.24 | jbot | "tell" is "<reply>use tell to make me tell a factoid to someone, like "apt tell foo about bar"" |
| 18:59.38 | macnewbold | ~tell |
| 18:59.48 | fungus | ~tell macnewbold about cookie |
| 18:59.52 | macnewbold | ~cmdinfo tell |
| 18:59.52 | jbot | command usage include 31 of Help, 19 of Factoid Commands, 4 of Factoid Search, 3 of piglatin, 2 of Uptime, 2 of Tell, 2 of Dict, 1 of Maths, 1 of W3Search and 1 of scramble. |
| 19:15.08 | jm_ul | please excuse my ignorance but what is the purpose of jbot? |
| 19:18.43 | *** topic/#uphpu by bigdog_ut -> BBQ coming soon to macnewbold's house | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 19:19.42 | dataw0lf|w | jm_ul: just your general entertainment/utilitarian irc bot. |
| 19:20.32 | toxs | uphpu? |
| 19:20.39 | jm_ul | mmmm bbq |
| 19:21.10 | jm_ul | thx dataw0lf |
| 19:21.18 | dataw0lf|w | np |
| 19:21.19 | *** topic/#uphpu by macnewbold -> BBQ coming soon | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 19:21.27 | toxs | ~uphpu? |
| 19:21.31 | macnewbold | ~uphpu |
| 19:21.41 | toxs | very cool |
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| 19:21.49 | macnewbold | ~uphpu-events |
| 19:22.21 | toxs | ~sllug? |
| 19:22.50 | macnewbold | jbot: phlyte is a PHP/Python web development framework that is lightweight and flexible, sponsored by UPHPU, Utah PHP Users (uphpu.org) |
| 19:22.51 | jbot | okay, macnewbold |
| 19:23.12 | macnewbold | wps: something's up with the phlyte list |
| 19:23.15 | macnewbold | it isn't working anymore |
| 19:24.25 | toxs | wps? |
| 19:24.41 | toxs | ~wps? |
| 19:24.42 | jbot | wps is probably Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 19:25.47 | jm_ul | does jbot have a description for everyone? or just a few people? |
| 19:26.08 | dataw0lf|w | ~macnewbold |
| 19:26.09 | jbot | i heard macnewbold is in da house! |
| 19:26.14 | dataw0lf|w | pfft. |
| 19:26.18 | jm_ul | heh |
| 19:26.26 | dataw0lf|w | ~tierra |
| 19:26.27 | jbot | rumour has it, tierra is dirt |
| 19:26.33 | dataw0lf|w | that's not a rumor. |
| 19:26.38 | dataw0lf|w | ~bigdog |
| 19:26.40 | jm_ul | heh |
| 19:26.44 | dataw0lf|w | ~bigdog_ut |
| 19:26.45 | jbot | [bigdog_ut] Mullet Man, a.k.a. El Perro Loco, or "the gimp", or known as the schwagmeister, or a big meany, or laden, or full of Schmack at times, or the nagios king, or a resident loser, or a mind reader |
| 19:27.22 | dataw0lf|w | ~gimp |
| 19:27.24 | jbot | i guess gimp is the scourge of the kompany, or an excellent image manipulation program. 2.0 is now stable and it has MANY, MANY improvements over the 1.x series. Pick it up NOW. *_GREAT_*! |
| 19:28.08 | cycokilr | the kompany? |
| 19:28.20 | dataw0lf|w | ~cycokilr |
| 19:28.37 | dataw0lf|w | ~dataw0lf |
| 19:28.38 | jbot | dataw0lf is, like, sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc |
| 19:28.42 | cycokilr | why would it be the scourge of the kompany? |
| 19:28.57 | cycokilr | do they even make an image manipulation program? |
| 19:29.13 | dataw0lf|w | cycokilr: what are you babbling about now? |
| 19:29.26 | jm_ul | ~dataw0lf|w |
| 19:29.40 | jm_ul | hmm |
| 19:29.42 | dataw0lf|w | that's dataw0lf at work |
| 19:30.04 | jm_ul | yeah...just seeing if there were two descriptions |
| 19:30.32 | dataw0lf|w | nah, I live up to that description at work too. |
| 19:31.05 | dataw0lf|w | switching workspaces to the beat of a song is pretty hypnotizing. |
| 19:31.08 | jm_ul | ok |
| 19:31.52 | dataw0lf|w | try it, it's fun when you trying to wrap your head around some code |
| 19:32.17 | cycokilr | http://www.cafepress.com/thekompany.4395867 |
| 19:32.24 | dataw0lf|w | then as soon as you figure it out you go to the workspace with your editor and hack it up |
| 19:35.30 | dataw0lf|w | bout 700 lines today, I might be able to make this just a day long project. |
| 19:49.29 | mindjuju | hey, IT admins in the house |
| 19:49.36 | mindjuju | we just got a mass flow of IM messages that are infected |
| 19:49.45 | mindjuju | tell your staff not to click on a link with the .pif extension |
| 19:49.51 | mindjuju | obviously they should be smarter, but then again.... |
| 19:52.11 | dataw0lf|w | pshaw, like I'd let my lusers use IM. |
| 19:55.28 | *** topic/#uphpu by bigdog_ut -> BBQ coming soon to wps' home | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 19:56.14 | jm_ul | kinda reminds me of this.... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030823&mode=classic and this..... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030825&mode=classic |
| 20:13.23 | mindjuju | dag! a day late and a dollar short |
| 20:13.24 | mindjuju | http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/nmap/2005/0008.html |
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| 20:26.20 | *** topic/#uphpu is BBQ coming soon to wps' home | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 20:28.16 | cycokilr | we need to get one of these and put linux on it.. |
| 20:28.38 | bigdog_ut | on of? |
| 20:28.51 | cycokilr | sorry.. http://www.danger.com/consumers_hiptop2.php |
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| 21:09.50 | *** topic/#uphpu by macnewbold -> BBQ coming soon! | check out #phlyte | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
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| 21:19.10 | macnewbold | is wps back yet? |
| 21:19.18 | wps | i am here |
| 21:19.33 | wps | physically |
| 21:19.40 | macnewbold | is something wrong with the phlyte mail list? I sent a message long ago (before noon) |
| 21:19.42 | macnewbold | and it hasn't come through |
| 21:20.00 | macnewbold | even to the archive |
| 21:21.08 | wps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.19 | wps | it appears to be working fine of dataw0lf and I |
| 21:21.27 | wps | what address did you post from? |
| 21:21.51 | macnewbold | my usual one |
| 21:21.58 | macnewbold | the one subscribed to the list, IIRC |
| 21:22.46 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: see if you received those two testing emails from me and wps. |
| 21:23.01 | macnewbold | yeah, got them and replied |
| 21:23.22 | wps | I have you subscribed with your codegreen address |
| 21:24.20 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: got em |
| 21:24.24 | dataw0lf|w | err, it rather |
| 21:24.35 | dataw0lf|w | well. |
| 21:24.43 | dataw0lf|w | could be that you cced to me |
| 21:26.26 | macnewbold | dataw0lf was cc'd |
| 21:26.35 | macnewbold | yeah, the codegreene address isn't the one I use for mailing lists |
| 21:26.39 | macnewbold | so it was coming from the other one |
| 21:26.45 | macnewbold | I'll unsub and resub I guess |
| 21:26.57 | wps | strange, macnewbold |
| 21:27.04 | wps | I am not getting any error notices either |
| 21:27.16 | wps | try that and then if it still doesn't work I'll dig into the log |
| 21:29.01 | macnewbold | so does your thing just drop them, or hold them for a moderator? |
| 21:29.06 | macnewbold | I'm not getting any feedback from it either |
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| 21:31.44 | wps | received your message, mac |
| 21:33.04 | dataw0lf|w | fungus and bigdog are aworking. |
| 21:34.20 | dataw0lf|w | whope, there it is. |
| 21:35.40 | macnewbold | yeah, it looks like it finally came through |
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| 21:46.55 | bigdog_ut | jm_ul, you john m? |
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| 21:48.39 | bigdog_ut | ~wake jm_ul |
| 21:48.40 | jbot | jm_ul: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 21:49.05 | bigdog_ut | we have a few people in the house |
| 21:49.16 | jm_ul | i'm here....yes...I'm john m from the mailing list |
| 21:49.40 | bigdog_ut | dude...check out my email...i have some new php books that you can get...scrap that old crap |
| 21:49.46 | bigdog_ut | if you are attending the meetings |
| 21:50.07 | jm_ul | sorry.... I'm in Southern Colorado....otherwise I'd be attending the meetings |
| 21:50.29 | jm_ul | =| |
| 21:50.40 | bigdog_ut | oh man |
| 21:51.25 | jm_ul | when I moved away, i decided to stay on the list because of the option to learn by osmosis from dataw0lf |
| 21:51.35 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 21:51.38 | bigdog_ut | sure man |
| 21:52.11 | jm_ul | do you think my questions might be annoying to anyone on the list? |
| 21:52.31 | bigdog_ut | no...but you need a good book my friend |
| 21:52.39 | bigdog_ut | and i have tons to give out at the meeting |
| 21:52.51 | wps | you should check out Michael Byrds tutorial |
| 21:52.57 | jm_ul | where is that? |
| 21:53.10 | jm_ul | url? |
| 21:53.12 | wps | http://www.utahhub.com/training/php/ |
| 21:53.24 | jm_ul | ok...cool |
| 21:53.40 | wps | (he's local) |
| 21:53.46 | bigdog_ut | what...jm_ul...check the uphpu.org for the free pdf file |
| 21:53.52 | bigdog_ut | that is a nice book that is free to read |
| 21:53.59 | bigdog_ut | in pdf...so you could print it out |
| 21:54.29 | dataw0lf|w | jm_ul: dude, I suggest the PHP Cookbook. |
| 21:55.21 | bigdog_ut | jm_ul -> http://uphpu.org/article.php?story=20050505124720212 |
| 21:58.58 | jm_ul | bigdog: michael byrd's tutorial is in pdf format on the uphpu website? |
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| 21:59.15 | jm_ul | or were you referring to other free books? |
| 21:59.39 | jm_ul | ryan byrd not michael....sorry |
| 21:59.46 | toxs | http://www.phptr.com/content/images/013147149X/downloads/013147149X_book.pdf |
| 21:59.50 | toxs | if you want php 5 |
| 21:59.53 | jm_ul | yes |
| 21:59.55 | jm_ul | thx |
| 21:59.58 | bigdog_ut | jm_ul, that link is to an apress book |
| 22:00.04 | jm_ul | ok |
| 22:00.39 | toxs | oops dead link |
| 22:01.38 | bigdog_ut | basically there are free books out there too that will help you out jm_ul |
| 22:02.37 | toxs | http://www.hudzilla.org/phpbook/ |
| 22:02.41 | jm_ul | ok thx |
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| 22:07.24 | toxs | http://download.ezpublishhosting.com/php_5_power_programming/pdf/php_5_power_programming__ibsn_013147149X_book.pdf |
| 22:07.32 | toxs | good link |
| 22:09.46 | jm_ul | thx....thats the last time I'll take a php/mysql book from a retiring professor heh |
| 22:10.21 | jm_ul | downloading that book now...thx toxs |
| 22:16.27 | *** join/#uphpu mindjuju (~mindjuju@216.20.238.225) |
| 22:25.25 | bigdog_ut | i love being behind a proxy server |
| 22:25.32 | bigdog_ut | u hear me drip |
| 22:38.59 | drip | yar |
| 22:39.03 | drip | i hear you brutha |
| 22:39.20 | drip | =) |
| 22:40.03 | drip | could you do me a favor though? |
| 22:40.12 | drip | could you just turn down you music a little bit? |
| 22:43.24 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 22:47.40 | *** join/#uphpu drewbono (~andrew@72-255-34-170.client.stsn.net) |
| 22:50.29 | *** part/#uphpu RyanE (~rerickson@204.246.145.6) |
| 22:55.36 | bigdog_ut | my amps go to 11 |
| 22:55.46 | bigdog_ut | im cranking the electronica crap |
| 22:56.08 | macnewbold | better watch it... electronica crap can get you kicked |
| 22:56.25 | bigdog_ut | dude...im cracking it.. |
| 22:56.29 | *** kick/#uphpu [bigdog_ut!~mac@69.2.248.251] by macnewbold (for electronica crap) |
| 22:56.35 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 22:56.38 | macnewbold | he'll be bac |
| 22:56.39 | *** join/#uphpu bigdog_ut (~bigdog@166.70.34.182) |
| 22:56.39 | *** mode/#uphpu [+o bigdog_ut] by ChanServ |
| 22:56.39 | macnewbold | k |
| 22:56.55 | macnewbold | ~tell bigdog_ut about good music |
| 22:57.07 | macnewbold | ~good music |
| 22:57.08 | jbot | from memory, good music is classic rock like Genesis |
| 22:57.10 | macnewbold | eww |
| 22:57.12 | macnewbold | no |
| 22:57.55 | bigdog_ut | all macnewbold powers are mine |
| 22:58.03 | macnewbold | yeah, I know |
| 22:58.08 | macnewbold | ~worship bigdog_ut |
| 22:58.09 | jbot | ACTION prostrates himself before bigdog_ut. "I'm not worthy!" |
| 22:58.11 | bigdog_ut | ~tell macnewbold look out |
| 22:58.22 | macnewbold | ~frenchassault bigdog_ut |
| 22:58.23 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! bigdog_ut, I unclog my nose in your direction, sons of a window-dresser! I wave my private parts at your aunties, you heaving lot of second hand electric donkey bottom biters! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a! |
| 22:58.35 | *** kick/#uphpu [macnewbold!~bigdog@166.70.34.182] by bigdog_ut (bigdog_ut) |
| 22:58.40 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 22:58.44 | bigdog_ut | boot to the head |
| 22:59.38 | bigdog_ut | your powers are mine |
| 23:05.08 | bobert__ | I know who you are. |
| 23:07.31 | bigdog_ut | where oh where did the macey go...someone came and took him away from here!!! |
| 23:08.35 | drip | lol |
| 23:09.08 | *** join/#uphpu macnewbold (~mac@69.2.248.251) |
| 23:09.17 | macnewbold | hello? |
| 23:09.27 | bigdog_ut | hello |
| 23:11.31 | greygnome | macnewbold: Is Eschelon your ISP? |
| 23:11.39 | macnewbold | yeah, kinda |
| 23:11.40 | macnewbold | why? |
| 23:12.12 | greygnome | Just recognized the first part of your IP |
| 23:12.14 | macnewbold | ah |
| 23:12.25 | macnewbold | yeah, it wasn't my choice, or it would be xmission |
| 23:14.06 | greygnome | Have they given you any fits yet? |
| 23:14.23 | macnewbold | eh, nothing too major usually |
| 23:14.33 | macnewbold | we've had to reboot the t1 router more than we should have |
| 23:14.46 | macnewbold | but we haven't had any really long outages yet |
| 23:15.02 | macnewbold | what about you? |
| 23:15.20 | cycokilr | yeah, i didn't like them much.. |
| 23:15.34 | greygnome | We had our own mail server in house and couldn't send out messages. Kept giving us a denied relay. They made us use their smtp server. |
| 23:15.48 | macnewbold | no way... that's nuts |
| 23:15.50 | cycokilr | had a vpn between two office and their line was down at least once a week.. |
| 23:15.52 | macnewbold | we've never had that problem |
| 23:15.58 | macnewbold | or that one |
| 23:16.04 | macnewbold | that's really lame |
| 23:16.13 | cycokilr | maybe they've gotten better.. |
| 23:16.24 | greygnome | We haven't had any outages that I'm aware of though |
| 23:16.26 | macnewbold | then they're not an ISP, they're an INP - Internet Non-Service Provider |
| 23:17.02 | macnewbold | nice |
| 23:19.14 | *** mode/#uphpu [+o macnewbold] by bigdog_ut |
| 23:19.33 | macnewbold | mode +ooo macnewbold |
| 23:19.49 | macnewbold | doh |
| 23:31.40 | greygnome | macnewbold: Where do you want the audio file? |
| 23:31.54 | macnewbold | I think wps was going to post it on uphpu.org |
| 23:32.05 | macnewbold | for now |
| 23:32.09 | macnewbold | wps, you still around? |
| 23:32.17 | wps | yes |
| 23:32.30 | macnewbold | you want the audio of the last phlyte meeting? |
| 23:32.34 | wps | yeah |
| 23:32.39 | greygnome | wps, should I just send you the file through IRC |
| 23:32.47 | macnewbold | how should we get it from greygnome to you? |
| 23:32.47 | wps | how big is it? |
| 23:33.01 | greygnome | 43MB |
| 23:33.10 | macnewbold | probably ftp or http would be better |
| 23:33.18 | macnewbold | is it on a box that's already a web server? |
| 23:33.23 | macnewbold | or ftp server? |
| 23:33.27 | wps | mac, I'll give you a password and you can upload it to the server |
| 23:33.30 | macnewbold | or does uphpu.org support ftp? |
| 23:33.40 | greygnome | Nope just on my laptop |
| 23:33.51 | wps | no FTP on uphpu.org by choice |
| 23:33.51 | *** part/#uphpu bobert__ (~bobert@216.20.238.225) |
| 23:33.55 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 23:33.56 | wps | FTP bad |
| 23:34.02 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 23:34.04 | macnewbold | sftp okay |
| 23:34.22 | macnewbold | so greygnome: you wanna email it, or ftp it to one of my servers? |
| 23:34.27 | macnewbold | (it will take a little while :) ) |
| 23:34.29 | dataw0lf | wps: very good sir! |
| 23:35.29 | cycokilr | vsftpd seems decent.. |
| 23:35.46 | cycokilr | why not just use ssh though.. |
| 23:35.50 | cycokilr | well, scp.. |
| 23:36.16 | dataw0lf | that's what they said. |
| 23:36.21 | dataw0lf | that's. |
| 23:36.22 | dataw0lf | why. |
| 23:36.23 | dataw0lf | I. |
| 23:36.25 | dataw0lf | said. |
| 23:36.29 | dataw0lf | very good sir |
| 23:37.21 | cycokilr | whatever |
| 23:42.48 | macnewbold | yo, everyone! |
| 23:42.59 | macnewbold | if you're wanting to be involved in phlyte, the group project, |
| 23:43.02 | macnewbold | join #phlyte |
| 23:43.06 | macnewbold | k? |
| 23:43.07 | macnewbold | thx |
| 23:46.50 | *** part/#uphpu greygnome (~greygnome@69.2.248.20) |