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| 03:06.33 | dataw0lf | regarding the forums: I have an unused license of vBulletin. |
| 03:06.40 | dataw0lf | and I can integrate the mailing list into. |
| 03:06.43 | dataw0lf | + it. |
| 03:06.46 | dataw0lf | see ubuntuforums.org |
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| 04:05.07 | bigdog_ut | whatz up all |
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| 14:08.37 | dataw0lf|w | morning wps |
| 14:10.01 | wps | good morning |
| 14:24.20 | macnewbold | morning everyone |
| 14:24.24 | macnewbold | how's wade today? |
| 14:24.41 | wps | sleepy |
| 14:24.49 | dataw0lf|w | wps: how's school going? |
| 14:24.54 | wps | alright |
| 14:25.00 | wps | just wrapping up Spring term |
| 14:25.16 | wps | 58 days until graduation |
| 14:27.34 | dataw0lf|w | Nice. |
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| 15:03.19 | drip | mornin' on ya |
| 15:03.43 | bigdog_ut | ~wake drip |
| 15:03.44 | jbot | drip: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 15:13.11 | macnewbold | ~dataw0lf |
| 15:13.12 | jbot | rumour has it, dataw0lf is sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc |
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| 15:46.09 | dataw0lf|w | ~lart macnewbold |
| 15:46.35 | macnewbold | ~slap dataw0lf |
| 15:46.36 | jbot | ACTION slaps dataw0lf, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 15:47.51 | dataw0lf|w | ~zombify macnewbold |
| 15:47.52 | jbot | ACTION summons Bill Gates who materializes in front of macnewbold and using a Windows 3.11 diskette zombifiez macnewbold! macnewbold wonders off in a daze slobering |
| 15:48.06 | macnewbold | ~cluebat dataw0lf |
| 15:48.07 | jbot | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps dataw0lf. |
| 15:48.12 | dataw0lf|w | ~fleas macnewbold |
| 15:48.13 | jbot | macnewbold, may the fleas of a thousand camels infest the hair in your dark sensitive areas forever! |
| 15:48.16 | macnewbold | ~clue dataw0lf |
| 15:48.17 | jbot | ACTION fans out Vegas-style a stack of clues for dataw0lf "Pick one, any one! ...and don't show it to me." |
| 15:48.19 | macnewbold | ~curse dataw0lf |
| 15:48.20 | jbot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, dataw0lf ! |
| 15:48.25 | macnewbold | ha |
| 15:48.26 | macnewbold | ! |
| 15:48.36 | dataw0lf|w | ack! |
| 15:48.41 | macnewbold | ~send dataw0lf back from whence he came |
| 15:48.43 | dataw0lf|w | I can't remember anymore. |
| 15:49.09 | dataw0lf|w | s/anymore/any more |
| 15:50.10 | macnewbold | ~amnesia dataw0lf |
| 15:51.22 | dataw0lf|w | argh |
| 15:51.24 | dataw0lf|w | ~lart macnewbold |
| 15:51.32 | dataw0lf|w | ha. |
| 15:51.35 | dataw0lf|w | you're dead sir. |
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| 17:03.26 | cycokilr | PHP Programmer/ Developer CleanFlicks Media, Inc. Responsible for feature additions and new development of existing website www.cleanflicks.com Must have experience with PHP andMySQL. Duration of the project is 2-3 months. Pay is $15-$20 DOE |
| 17:04.11 | macnewbold | cycokilr: will they take contractors? |
| 17:04.19 | macnewbold | instead of employees? |
| 17:04.23 | cycokilr | don't know.. i just noticed it in the paper.. |
| 17:04.25 | cycokilr | they might.. |
| 17:04.26 | macnewbold | ah |
| 17:04.29 | cycokilr | it's just a couple months.. |
| 17:04.33 | macnewbold | is there a phone number or email addr? |
| 17:04.42 | macnewbold | yeah, a contract job, not a PT/FT thing |
| 17:04.57 | cycokilr | luke@cleanflicks.com or 801-772-1932 |
| 17:05.01 | macnewbold | sweet, thanks |
| 17:05.04 | cycokilr | yep |
| 17:05.05 | macnewbold | des news or tribune? |
| 17:05.14 | cycokilr | provo herald |
| 17:20.01 | macnewbold | apparently my partner has issues with cleanflicks |
| 17:20.18 | macnewbold | thinks they're evil (more or less) for changing a director's "art" |
| 17:20.29 | macnewbold | and publishing it in a way that the director didn't intend |
| 17:21.02 | macnewbold | we'll see if I can twist his arm enough to put in for the job |
| 17:21.04 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 17:21.09 | dataw0lf|w | I don't agree with the nature of the company, but I certainly don't think they're evil. |
| 17:21.24 | macnewbold | yeah, evil was my word, not his |
| 17:21.26 | dataw0lf|w | as long as they ain't sponsored by the government in their quest to censor. |
| 17:21.33 | macnewbold | he said something like "i have problems with cleanflicks" |
| 17:21.41 | macnewbold | oh, heavens no |
| 17:21.41 | dataw0lf|w | hehe. |
| 17:21.50 | macnewbold | they just produce a product that there's a market for |
| 17:22.08 | dataw0lf|w | unfortunately, but yeah. |
| 17:22.20 | macnewbold | it isn't censoring (preventing someone from seeing something) at all, but simply |
| 17:22.36 | macnewbold | doing the dirty work of finding and removing "bad scenes" for those who would prefer not to see them |
| 17:22.47 | wps | I have problems with Clean Flicks because it promotes the production of what I deem to be bad films. Instead of buying edited movies, people need to boycott them and demand that the studios produce better films. |
| 17:23.05 | dataw0lf|w | I need to find a company that just takes all the 'safe' parts out of a movie so I can see what I wanna see. |
| 17:23.16 | macnewbold | wps: I agree with that sentiment... I haven't ever bought a "cleanflick" edited version of anything |
| 17:23.44 | dataw0lf|w | wps: you believe that movies with.. questionable.. scenes are bad films? |
| 17:24.23 | macnewbold | if anything, we'll just watch the tv-edited version (which usually is PG-13 or better these days), so we're not paying anything that would go toward the creator of the film |
| 17:24.40 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: I believe they'd be better without those scenes |
| 17:24.45 | wps | they could be good as in artistic, but they should not be watched |
| 17:24.46 | dataw0lf|w | wow. |
| 17:24.48 | dataw0lf|w | interesting. |
| 17:24.48 | macnewbold | some _are_ bad films, others are not |
| 17:24.59 | wps | they should also not be produced |
| 17:25.10 | macnewbold | depends on your definition of bad |
| 17:25.15 | wps | just as in I shouldn't watch someone having sex in a movie, they actors shouldn't be having sex on the set |
| 17:25.27 | macnewbold | as entertainment for me and my family, I think they are bad films for that purpose |
| 17:26.09 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: which I certainly agree with. But I think that judging a movie based on 'bad' or 'questionable' content is shallow. |
| 17:26.10 | beandog | I just dont buy anything higher than PG |
| 17:26.20 | beandog | Which, even then, isnt always a safe rule |
| 17:26.27 | macnewbold | an artist has his right to produce art, so long as it doesn't infringe on mine, so until they force me to watch them, |
| 17:26.30 | dataw0lf|w | I try to stick with R. |
| 17:26.35 | beandog | lols dataw0lf|w |
| 17:26.36 | macnewbold | I'm mostly content to let them keep making them |
| 17:26.43 | macnewbold | and simply avoid them |
| 17:26.44 | beandog | Good to have standards. :) |
| 17:26.46 | dataw0lf|w | yup. |
| 17:26.54 | wps | it depends on what you are judging it for, dataw0lf |
| 17:27.18 | macnewbold | I'm sure there are a lot of R-rated movies that I would really enjoy watching if they didn't have the bad/questionable parts... |
| 17:27.23 | dataw0lf|w | 'No decapitations, explicit sex, or offensive language? WHAT TYPE OF MOVIE IS THIS??!' |
| 17:27.36 | macnewbold | having even a few little scenes in it is usually enough to ruin the whole thing |
| 17:27.42 | dataw0lf|w | Huh. |
| 17:27.45 | dataw0lf|w | Weird. |
| 17:28.08 | macnewbold | would you eat food that was only 10% moldy? eat all of it, without removing any mold? |
| 17:28.30 | dataw0lf|w | I don't see how mold on food is a proper analogy to 'questionable' parts in a movie. |
| 17:28.37 | beandog | That is a poor example |
| 17:28.39 | beandog | I hate that example. |
| 17:28.43 | macnewbold | how would you like to watch an R-rated movie that was 10% goatse.cx (don't look at the site)? |
| 17:28.58 | macnewbold | I don't like mold, and I don't like questionable parts in my movies |
| 17:29.01 | macnewbold | both disgust me |
| 17:29.06 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: bad parts that have no function or or just there for the shock value aren't my style. |
| 17:29.22 | macnewbold | what you consider "mold" in your movies would be different than what I consider |
| 17:29.26 | dataw0lf|w | However, le 'Disney' style movies I don't find very realistic. |
| 17:29.29 | macnewbold | but the effect is the same |
| 17:29.34 | beandog | I think edited movies are dumb for one reason -- you can take the cat out of the jungle, but not the jungle out of the cat. |
| 17:29.42 | macnewbold | hm? |
| 17:29.48 | macnewbold | not sure I follow, beandog |
| 17:29.57 | beandog | Even if you remove all the extreme violence from a movie, its still going to have a violent undertone. |
| 17:30.03 | macnewbold | I agree that there are some movies that no amount of editing will fix |
| 17:30.08 | beandog | So, you can watch Halloween II on AMC |
| 17:30.10 | macnewbold | but not every movie is like that |
| 17:30.14 | beandog | Doesnt mean its "good" all of a sudden. |
| 17:30.17 | dataw0lf|w | did you guys enjoy Saving Private Ryan? |
| 17:30.27 | macnewbold | many movies do have "bad parts that have no function or or just there for the shock value" |
| 17:30.32 | macnewbold | and without them, they're fine |
| 17:30.44 | macnewbold | some directors/producers think that having an R rating makes movies more appealing |
| 17:30.46 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: well, the 'shock value' movies have there own twisted entertainment for myself. |
| 17:30.49 | macnewbold | and to some audience members, it does |
| 17:30.51 | dataw0lf|w | Like Dawn of the Dead |
| 17:30.58 | dataw0lf|w | which is like the most jawesome movie evar. |
| 17:31.16 | macnewbold | so they do what it takes to get that R |
| 17:31.21 | macnewbold | oddly enough, |
| 17:31.26 | macnewbold | when they do screen testing, |
| 17:31.36 | dataw0lf|w | well, they make them more safe too. |
| 17:31.41 | macnewbold | they showed the same clips to 4 different audiences, |
| 17:31.44 | dataw0lf|w | it works both ways. |
| 17:31.52 | dataw0lf|w | the Herbie remake for example. |
| 17:31.52 | macnewbold | then polled them at the end about how likely they would be to go see it |
| 17:32.03 | macnewbold | and told each audience a different rating (G,PG, PG13, R) |
| 17:32.20 | macnewbold | the audience that was told G was the most likely to go see it |
| 17:32.26 | macnewbold | the PG audience was next most likely |
| 17:32.31 | macnewbold | after that, PG13, |
| 17:32.41 | macnewbold | and the least likely ones to see it were the ones who thought it was rated R |
| 17:32.49 | dataw0lf|w | where'd they do this testing? Utah? |
| 17:32.52 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 17:32.54 | macnewbold | no idea |
| 17:32.57 | macnewbold | prolly not |
| 17:33.02 | macnewbold | who cares about utah? |
| 17:33.08 | beandog | Who in their right MIND would belive Herbie Reloaded is rated R |
| 17:33.16 | macnewbold | I mean, other than the Halestorm guys and Richard Dutcher? |
| 17:33.31 | fungus | If that were true, why do R movies have higher box office receipts than PG? |
| 17:33.34 | macnewbold | well, duh, beandog |
| 17:33.48 | beandog | But of the top 10 movies, arent most PG or G? |
| 17:33.49 | macnewbold | fungus: it's a matter of marketing, IMHO |
| 17:33.57 | beandog | top ten highest grossing |
| 17:33.58 | fungus | Example: Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. Good movie, PG. But almost no one saw it. |
| 17:34.01 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: the majority of the citizens of Utah have, in general, different... 'moral' ? standards than most other states. |
| 17:34.02 | macnewbold | and quantities |
| 17:34.09 | beandog | Sky Captain was not that great. |
| 17:34.17 | macnewbold | there are more R rated movies made than G rated |
| 17:34.30 | mindjuju | foul on datawolf |
| 17:34.31 | dataw0lf|w | I'd say that I've seen some great G rated movies. |
| 17:34.31 | macnewbold | and R rated movies are almost always marketed a lot more than G/PG |
| 17:34.36 | mindjuju | originally from Texas |
| 17:34.38 | macnewbold | think pixar |
| 17:34.41 | macnewbold | or dreamworks |
| 17:34.44 | mindjuju | Texas is mainly Baptist |
| 17:34.50 | mindjuju | you think Mormons are strict |
| 17:34.52 | mindjuju | guess again |
| 17:34.52 | dataw0lf|w | but I've seen better R rated movies. |
| 17:34.58 | dataw0lf|w | and more of em. |
| 17:35.00 | mindjuju | try looking up Texas Blue laws |
| 17:35.01 | macnewbold | you can have some really great and really financially successful movies that aren't R |
| 17:35.07 | dataw0lf|w | mindjuju: I was stationed in Texas for training. |
| 17:35.13 | dataw0lf|w | Trust me, there's a lack of saints in Utah. |
| 17:35.16 | dataw0lf|w | err, Texas. |
| 17:35.16 | mindjuju | well, there you guy, you know what I mean |
| 17:35.16 | fungus | I don't prefer any rating. I prefer *good* movies. |
| 17:35.25 | dataw0lf|w | fungus: agreed. |
| 17:35.31 | fungus | Truth is most "good" movies are R. |
| 17:35.45 | macnewbold | utah probably isn't much different than many of the bible-belt states, or highly conservative protestant areas in say, new england or the midwest |
| 17:35.48 | beandog | good as in entertaining? |
| 17:35.59 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: I would disagree. |
| 17:36.00 | beandog | macnewbold: are you kidding? |
| 17:36.09 | macnewbold | fungus: but they could be just as good or better if they were not R |
| 17:36.13 | mindjuju | that has got to be the funniest argument I've ever heard. you wouldn't move to the vatican city expecting to find a lot of lutheran support would you? |
| 17:36.19 | macnewbold | they're cutting the entire under-17 group out of their audience |
| 17:36.21 | mindjuju | why live in Utah and not expect Mormon? |
| 17:36.27 | beandog | Doesnt matter |
| 17:36.29 | beandog | They sneak in. |
| 17:36.35 | mindjuju | Or live in Bible Belt and not expect to hear a preacher of some faith? |
| 17:36.38 | beandog | Of course, that doesnt make em much $$$ |
| 17:36.40 | dataw0lf|w | I do expect Mormon, I'm not arguing against 'Mormons in Utah' lol |
| 17:36.41 | beandog | Hmm. |
| 17:36.45 | beandog | Still, they get in. |
| 17:36.51 | mindjuju | sorry, thought that was what you were saying |
| 17:36.52 | dataw0lf|w | I'm just saying that there is certainly a religious and 'moral' undertone to Utah. |
| 17:36.52 | macnewbold | my wife grew up in Indiana, and says it was at least as conservative as Utah |
| 17:37.00 | dataw0lf|w | And it's foolish to try to ignore it. |
| 17:37.05 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: I call bs on that. |
| 17:37.06 | macnewbold | due to the heavy christian bible-belt-ish influence |
| 17:37.11 | dataw0lf|w | I lived in Indiana for 5 years. |
| 17:37.14 | beandog | dataw0lf: ditto |
| 17:37.15 | dataw0lf|w | and went to Purdue. |
| 17:37.19 | macnewbold | that's what she said |
| 17:37.21 | beandog | dataw0lf|w: what city? |
| 17:37.21 | macnewbold | I've never been there |
| 17:37.27 | macnewbold | she lived in bloomington |
| 17:37.28 | dataw0lf|w | beandog: well... Gary. |
| 17:37.30 | mindjuju | What is dominate domination in indiana? |
| 17:37.35 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: My parents are from Bloomington. |
| 17:37.40 | dataw0lf|w | bloomington is a HUGE liberal town. |
| 17:37.40 | beandog | dataw0lf|w: Cool, used to live in W. Lafayette |
| 17:37.41 | fungus | macnewbold, incorrect. A "good" movie with an R rating will *not* be better edited down to PG. |
| 17:37.41 | macnewbold | not sure... christian of some flavor |
| 17:37.42 | dataw0lf|w | HUGE. |
| 17:37.54 | macnewbold | fungus: how do you figure? |
| 17:37.54 | dataw0lf|w | and I'll tell you this, they ARE conservative down there. |
| 17:38.02 | dataw0lf|w | But they won't hesistate to watch an R movie. |
| 17:38.06 | dataw0lf|w | Nor to toss back a couple beers. |
| 17:38.08 | dataw0lf|w | or smoke a cigarette. |
| 17:38.11 | macnewbold | well sure |
| 17:38.12 | beandog | agreed |
| 17:38.14 | dataw0lf|w | or chew some tobacco. |
| 17:38.33 | dataw0lf|w | so, I would say, again, that Utah, imho, is the most conservative state I've ever visited. |
| 17:38.33 | macnewbold | non-smoking, non-drinking, non-tobacco, or non-porn doesn't equal conservative |
| 17:38.37 | fungus | Edited movies degrade the directors intentions. and detract from the feel of the movie. |
| 17:38.40 | macnewbold | that sounds more like "mormon" |
| 17:38.55 | beandog | fungus: I think they only disagree if theyre not getting a cut |
| 17:38.59 | macnewbold | fungus: I'm saying if the directors would _make_ them PG/PG13 in the first place, they'd be better than if they make them R |
| 17:39.05 | beandog | fungus: otherwise how do you account for airplane / tv movies |
| 17:39.07 | dataw0lf|w | what was Utah's presidential election statistics? |
| 17:39.19 | macnewbold | republican |
| 17:39.20 | macnewbold | iirc |
| 17:39.26 | macnewbold | ;) |
| 17:39.50 | dataw0lf|w | higher than Texas. |
| 17:40.59 | fungus | directors usually don't plan the rating before making the movie. The rating is thrust upon them after the fact. |
| 17:41.18 | beandog | whatever |
| 17:41.22 | dataw0lf|w | so, I'll make the leap of logic and say : 1) High % of Mormons 2) High % of conservative votes 3) Mormons ~= conservative |
| 17:41.23 | fungus | Example: Dirty Shame. |
| 17:41.30 | beandog | Like theyre not going to say, well if I put in a lot of swearing, it might get R |
| 17:41.34 | beandog | I dont think most directors care |
| 17:41.37 | fungus | John Waters didn't want an NC-17 rating. |
| 17:41.48 | beandog | Its the movies that are marketed that are probably edged towards PG-13 or R or whatever. |
| 17:42.17 | beandog | Almost ALL movies are R |
| 17:42.20 | macnewbold | fungus: it's pretty hard not to know pretty close (within 1 rating) what you're going to get |
| 17:42.21 | beandog | Youd have to work at it NOT to be R. |
| 17:42.39 | fungus | If you want to see more movies made that are PG or PG-13, go see them. There are *many* PG movies that are completely ignored. |
| 17:42.41 | macnewbold | beandog: you'd just have to keep out profanity, nudity, sex scenes, and violence |
| 17:42.46 | macnewbold | most stories can be told that way |
| 17:42.49 | dataw0lf|w | Ok, but why pander to a rating system? |
| 17:42.50 | beandog | macnewbold: I agree |
| 17:42.51 | macnewbold | without a whole lot of trouble |
| 17:42.53 | dataw0lf|w | I think that's terrible. |
| 17:43.01 | beandog | dataw0lf|w: try before you buy |
| 17:43.03 | macnewbold | it's not pandering to a rating system |
| 17:43.03 | dataw0lf|w | Either way (increasing violence/sex/etc or decreasing it) |
| 17:43.07 | beandog | Its a good screening process |
| 17:43.13 | macnewbold | it's producing movies that audiences want to see |
| 17:43.23 | dataw0lf|w | Sure, and I want to see a good movie. |
| 17:43.27 | dataw0lf|w | I don't care about the rating. |
| 17:43.45 | macnewbold | they should try offering PG, PG13, and R versions of the same film, |
| 17:43.51 | dataw0lf|w | Granted, I'm not going to take my younger siblings, or heaven forbid, if I have a son or daughter, to a movie I think is inappropriate. |
| 17:43.54 | macnewbold | and see which one people like better after they've seen it |
| 17:44.00 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: I think that would be terrible. |
| 17:44.00 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: exactly |
| 17:44.23 | dataw0lf|w | you'd want to see a PG Saving Private Ryan? |
| 17:44.24 | macnewbold | I don't really want to see things that wouldn't be safe for me to watch with my 4-yr-old |
| 17:44.26 | fungus | macnewbold, NO! movies should not be edited. |
| 17:44.26 | dataw0lf|w | a PG Godfather? |
| 17:44.32 | dataw0lf|w | a PG Goodfellas? |
| 17:44.39 | dataw0lf|w | a PG Usual Suspects? |
| 17:44.39 | macnewbold | fungus: I'm not saying _edited_. I'm saying produced differently. |
| 17:44.56 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: the only version of Private Ryan I've seen was on TV, IIRC |
| 17:44.58 | macnewbold | I liked it |
| 17:45.08 | dataw0lf|w | wow. |
| 17:45.10 | fungus | No. Movies are made with a vision in mind. And a different rating would ruin the vision. |
| 17:45.21 | macnewbold | then again, I'm a lot more tolerant of war violence than I am of other things that cause R ratings |
| 17:45.33 | macnewbold | as long as it doesn't get unnecessarily grotesque |
| 17:45.40 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: and I think that's a problem alot of people in this country have. |
| 17:45.43 | dataw0lf|w | War gets grotesque. |
| 17:45.52 | macnewbold | fungus: yeah... I'm saying that they should ave a PG/PG13 vision rather than an R vision to begin with |
| 17:46.02 | macnewbold | you _can_ make a good PG movie, and you all know it |
| 17:46.08 | dataw0lf|w | Sure you can. |
| 17:46.16 | dataw0lf|w | but what you're talking about is setting out to make a good PG movie. |
| 17:46.24 | dataw0lf|w | Some topics aren't PG though. |
| 17:46.27 | macnewbold | dataw0lf, yeah, I know war gets ugly - there's a point where "real" is too much |
| 17:46.27 | fungus | Yes, but why does the general audience choose to see an R movie instead. |
| 17:46.46 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: name some non PG topics, and then defend why I'd want to see a movie about them for entertainment |
| 17:47.11 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: War. |
| 17:47.13 | fungus | Example: Closer is an R movie, with R topics. |
| 17:47.22 | macnewbold | fungus: because so many of the movies that have the great potential (good story line, etc.) get made as R movies instead of PG13 or PG |
| 17:47.33 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: yes, war is one I watch |
| 17:47.34 | fungus | Closer would be ruined if changed to PG |
| 17:47.36 | macnewbold | name another |
| 17:47.43 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: Racism. |
| 17:47.44 | macnewbold | never even heard of Closer |
| 17:47.53 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: that can easily be a pg13 topic |
| 17:47.58 | dataw0lf|w | I thought Closer was crap, fungus is kicked out of the conversation. |
| 17:48.19 | fungus | American History X. R rating, R topics. Very important film. |
| 17:48.25 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: I think racism is a R topic and should be treated as such. Watering it down, it loses the impact it SHOULD have. |
| 17:48.26 | macnewbold | there's nothing about racism that's R, unless you show too many of the things that racist people do |
| 17:48.35 | macnewbold | dataw0lf, to a point you're right |
| 17:48.37 | dataw0lf|w | American History X is an EXCELLENT movie, you're back in fungus. |
| 17:48.47 | macnewbold | but with what classifies as PG13 these days, you can show plenty, believe me |
| 17:49.03 | macnewbold | a lot of the R things can simply be left as implied things rather then explicit ones |
| 17:49.05 | macnewbold | and stay PG13 |
| 17:49.07 | dataw0lf|w | I don't even look at what a movie is rated before I watch it. |
| 17:49.08 | macnewbold | and have impact |
| 17:49.26 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: if I didn't, I would say that at least 50% of R movies look appealing |
| 17:49.26 | fungus | But with the AHX example. the movie would lose all it's credibility and impact if it didn't show the R parts. |
| 17:49.46 | macnewbold | so if those 50% of movies were PG13, I'd be watching them |
| 17:50.06 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: I'm not saying you can't make a good movie PG-13, however, I think _ALOT_ of movies would suffer from becoming PG-13. |
| 17:50.07 | macnewbold | but as R, I don't just enjoy them |
| 17:50.09 | dataw0lf|w | Watch Angel Heart sometime. |
| 17:50.29 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: I agree that _SOME_ movies would suffer, but it's far from a majority |
| 17:50.45 | macnewbold | I think maybe 5-10% of good movies would suffer by being PG13 instead of R |
| 17:51.01 | macnewbold | depending who's classifying "good' |
| 17:51.36 | dataw0lf|w | I don't agree on your percentage. |
| 17:51.41 | dataw0lf|w | But that's me. |
| 17:52.11 | dataw0lf|w | I just can't imagine Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Goodfellas, the Godfather, the Exorcist, the Shining, Usual Suspects, Pulp Fiction, etc PG-13. |
| 17:52.53 | fungus | The film industry isn't a conspiracy to promote R topics. It is capitalism. Audiences want to see R topic movies. They make more money. |
| 17:53.10 | dataw0lf|w | and despite what seems to be the theory in Utah, people do curse. They do have sex. They do do drugs. They do kill people. And I think it's important to recognize those facts. And learn from them. |
| 17:53.22 | fungus | dataw0lf|w, those movies would completely fall apart if edited. |
| 17:53.28 | macnewbold | fungus: the non-R movies haven't yet had a fair shot at competing in that "they make more money" argument |
| 17:53.38 | macnewbold | but they've had a run for their money with some of them |
| 17:53.52 | dataw0lf|w | Good movies are good movies. That's all I'm saying. |
| 17:54.04 | dataw0lf|w | I thought Fly Away Home was an incredible movie. |
| 17:54.28 | dataw0lf|w | Forrest Gump, again, excellent (if it had been adapted properly from the novel, however, it would've gotten an R) |
| 17:54.35 | macnewbold | take a look at things from pixar and dreamworks, for example: shrek, finding nemo, monsters inc, the incredibles, etc. and so forth |
| 17:54.47 | macnewbold | take a look at movies like hitch, fever pitch, etc. |
| 17:54.57 | dataw0lf|w | I think Pixar does some great movies. |
| 17:55.10 | dataw0lf|w | I also think Pixar has some adult themes that they translate nicely to their 'rating' class. |
| 17:55.12 | macnewbold | there are a lot of great movies out there |
| 17:55.19 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: exactly. |
| 17:55.27 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: exactly. So why restrict yourself to just a set of ratings? |
| 17:55.42 | macnewbold | if R movies do better, why are the Star Wars movies all non-R? |
| 17:55.54 | macnewbold | why are the lord of the rings movies all non-R? |
| 17:56.00 | macnewbold | etc. and so forth. |
| 17:56.01 | dataw0lf|w | I just think you're putting way too much focus on the ratings, mac. |
| 17:56.20 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: It's not _just_ about ratings, that's usually just all I have to go from without watching it |
| 17:56.37 | macnewbold | there are PG13 movies that I wish I hadn't seen, and that I wouldn't see again |
| 17:56.41 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: yeah, but you're arguing that something I agree with here. I don't care about ratings. |
| 17:57.00 | macnewbold | and there are movies that get an MPAA R Rating that I would watch |
| 17:57.08 | mindjuju | i found this website about highest grossing films of all time |
| 17:57.18 | macnewbold | because the ratings don't always match my personal preferences |
| 17:57.18 | dataw0lf|w | is it called 'imdb.com' |
| 17:57.34 | dataw0lf|w | which is why they are there in the first place. |
| 17:57.36 | macnewbold | mindjuju: what are the ratings on the top 10 or top 25 movies like? |
| 17:57.38 | dataw0lf|w | So you can censor yourself. |
| 17:57.44 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: exactly |
| 17:57.47 | dataw0lf|w | It lies in your hands, not the producers. |
| 17:57.48 | mindjuju | top is titanic |
| 17:57.50 | macnewbold | I censor myself based on the ratings |
| 17:57.54 | mindjuju | followed by return of the king |
| 17:57.56 | mindjuju | harry potter |
| 17:58.00 | mindjuju | phantom menace |
| 17:58.03 | mindjuju | 2 towers |
| 17:58.04 | macnewbold | hm... no R's yet... weird |
| 17:58.07 | mindjuju | jurassic park |
| 17:58.07 | macnewbold | :) |
| 17:58.08 | mindjuju | shrek 2 |
| 17:58.13 | mindjuju | fellowship of rings |
| 17:58.22 | fungus | However you need to realize that only about 10-20% of all PG films ever even turn a profit |
| 17:58.22 | mindjuju | harry potter part 2 |
| 17:58.31 | mindjuju | finding nemo |
| 17:58.36 | mindjuju | etc |
| 17:58.43 | macnewbold | hm... no R's at all |
| 17:58.43 | dataw0lf|w | he's skipping the Rs. |
| 17:58.45 | macnewbold | that's odd |
| 17:58.49 | dataw0lf|w | Passion of the Christ is in the top ten. |
| 17:58.51 | mindjuju | nope |
| 17:58.51 | macnewbold | but I thought R rated movies make more money? |
| 17:58.56 | mindjuju | matrix reloaded is on here |
| 17:59.02 | macnewbold | he listed 10 |
| 17:59.12 | macnewbold | the matrix movies I did see, |
| 17:59.13 | mindjuju | it's number 18 |
| 17:59.18 | macnewbold | and the first one was the only one I really really liked |
| 17:59.24 | macnewbold | the others were mediocre to me |
| 17:59.30 | mindjuju | Passion of Christ is on here |
| 17:59.33 | macnewbold | and I didn't like the R-rated stuff in them |
| 17:59.43 | macnewbold | haven't seen PoC yet |
| 17:59.44 | fungus | http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross |
| 17:59.47 | dataw0lf|w | mindjuju: what site are you looking at? |
| 17:59.48 | mindjuju | Passion is number 25 |
| 17:59.50 | dataw0lf|w | look at imdb. |
| 17:59.53 | dataw0lf|w | Passion is #9 |
| 18:00.00 | mindjuju | look up above i posted the URL |
| 18:00.05 | mindjuju | unless you want me to post again |
| 18:00.36 | mindjuju | it's crazy long, but I could unobfuscate if you want and try to make shorter |
| 18:00.54 | dataw0lf|w | where'd you post it? |
| 18:00.57 | dataw0lf|w | maybe I'm blind. |
| 18:01.16 | mindjuju | k here it is again |
| 18:01.17 | dataw0lf|w | make sure you didn't put a / in front of it. |
| 18:01.45 | dataw0lf|w | ohp, lunch time. |
| 18:01.52 | mindjuju | k, here it is shorter |
| 18:01.53 | mindjuju | http://www.worldwideboxoffice.com |
| 18:01.57 | dataw0lf|w | btw, I don't put much stock in 'top grossing films' |
| 18:02.00 | mindjuju | sorry, it obfuscated |
| 18:02.04 | dataw0lf|w | look at the good movies. |
| 18:02.09 | dataw0lf|w | Titanic as #1 says it all. |
| 18:02.10 | mindjuju | yeah, not anymore after point squashed |
| 18:02.17 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:03.11 | fungus | So, is your opinion that the film industry is a consipiracy? |
| 18:03.55 | fungus | In actuality more R films are produced because they are more profitable. |
| 18:04.37 | macnewbold | fungus: I think more R films are produced because (a) people _think_ they are more profitable, even though that's either not true, or true by coincidence |
| 18:05.03 | macnewbold | (b) because directors think that their "art" requires stuff that makes it R (and that's their prerogative, but I don't care to watch it) |
| 18:05.30 | fungus | The film industry is not a consipiracy. It is capitalism. |
| 18:05.51 | bigdog_ut | i go to lunch and now everyone is yapping a storm |
| 18:06.04 | macnewbold | (c) because there are people who _seek_out_ R movies, thinking that in general, they'll find those more interesting (though this is a much smaller group IMHO than those who either don't care or those who _avoid_ R) |
| 18:06.18 | macnewbold | fungus: yes, I agree - you're the one who keeps saying conspiracy, not me |
| 18:06.40 | fungus | You seem to think that they don't care about money. That is completely ridiculous. |
| 18:06.47 | macnewbold | titanic was a lame show with a big-name star and a very very famous subject matter |
| 18:07.00 | macnewbold | its success was no indicator of its quality |
| 18:07.02 | macnewbold | as a movie |
| 18:07.19 | macnewbold | fungus: no, they care about money, they care _a_lot_ about money |
| 18:07.27 | bigdog_ut | so of the best movies are not very famous |
| 18:07.36 | macnewbold | but their actions, motivated by a desire for more money, don't always have the intended effect |
| 18:07.39 | cycokilr | wow.. i can't believe i started all this.. it's kinda funny.. |
| 18:07.40 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: yes |
| 18:07.42 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 18:07.43 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 18:07.48 | fungus | macnewbold, exactly. More R movies made because more R movies make money. |
| 18:07.58 | macnewbold | yet another great philosophical debate in #uphpu |
| 18:08.13 | macnewbold | fungus: no, that's not true |
| 18:08.17 | cycokilr | i haven't seen this much chatter in uphpu at one time since i joined.. |
| 18:08.21 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 18:08.30 | fungus | macnewbold, Yes it is true! |
| 18:08.32 | macnewbold | it's happened in the past, but they're not very often |
| 18:08.45 | macnewbold | fungus: do I need to have mindjuju reread the list of movies that made the most money? |
| 18:08.58 | macnewbold | the entire top 10 are completely _non-R_! |
| 18:09.24 | fungus | But you aren't getting the fact that those movies are the exceptions, not the rule. |
| 18:09.39 | cycokilr | the ratings mean nothing when it comes to money.. it's all marketing.. |
| 18:09.47 | cycokilr | you guys know that.. |
| 18:10.03 | bigdog_ut | lol...it is about family movies...get the most viewers |
| 18:10.14 | cycokilr | SWIII was completely paid for before it was even released from product licensing, etc.. |
| 18:10.28 | bigdog_ut | cycokilr, what does that matter though |
| 18:10.38 | bigdog_ut | it is still a money issue |
| 18:10.39 | cycokilr | what does what matter? |
| 18:11.00 | bigdog_ut | it was paid for because of the success of the previous |
| 18:11.13 | cycokilr | it was marketing.. on all three.. |
| 18:11.21 | cycokilr | it's always marketing.. |
| 18:11.22 | bigdog_ut | i dont buy that at all |
| 18:11.27 | cycokilr | and we're all consumers.. |
| 18:11.43 | bigdog_ut | there is history that plays a big role in it too |
| 18:11.45 | cycokilr | they just market to us and we get all excited and want to consume |
| 18:11.54 | cycokilr | what history? |
| 18:11.58 | fungus | My only point is that I am offended that people think the film industry is trying to corrupt our nation with R movies, but those same people don't go see very many PG movies. |
| 18:11.59 | bigdog_ut | the previous ones |
| 18:12.02 | cycokilr | 4 - 6? |
| 18:12.07 | cycokilr | yeah, part of the marketing.. |
| 18:12.17 | cycokilr | you can't tell me this wasn't in the plan all along.. |
| 18:12.21 | bigdog_ut | yeah...but marketing is not the only part of it |
| 18:12.36 | bigdog_ut | actually there is a plan for a new series of them too |
| 18:12.39 | bigdog_ut | was that in the plan |
| 18:12.54 | cycokilr | my view is that marketing makes more money for a movie than ratings do.. |
| 18:13.13 | fungus | cycokilr, I agree. |
| 18:13.13 | cycokilr | that's what i meant when i said that rating do matter when it comes to money.. |
| 18:13.31 | bigdog_ut | i agree with that 100% |
| 18:13.41 | bigdog_ut | the lower the rating you can get more money |
| 18:13.55 | bigdog_ut | you want to make money you target the family |
| 18:14.02 | fungus | The top ten grossing movies are there due to marketing, *not* due to people wanting to see PG movies. |
| 18:14.03 | cycokilr | bigdog_ut: not in the previous plan i'm sure.. but the _marketing_ for the prior 6 will make people want to consume any new ones.. |
| 18:14.07 | bigdog_ut | and i agree that marketing does play a big role |
| 18:14.36 | bigdog_ut | cycokilr, to an extent...marketing a brand is very potent |
| 18:14.53 | bigdog_ut | sw is a brand...household name...hence the reference to history |
| 18:15.03 | cycokilr | kleenex? |
| 18:15.06 | bigdog_ut | i grew up with it and now my kids are...the new generation |
| 18:15.10 | cycokilr | band-aid? |
| 18:15.27 | bigdog_ut | yeah...all based on the history of the product |
| 18:15.31 | bigdog_ut | cool-aid |
| 18:15.34 | macnewbold | fungus: if the top 10 are _all_ non-R, you can hardly claim that they're an exception. Even among the top 25, R are the exception, not the rule |
| 18:15.53 | cycokilr | wow, all i know is that the movie on hbo right now is pretty stupid.. |
| 18:16.18 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, cause you make more money getting the family in there |
| 18:16.22 | fungus | high grossing non-R movies only account for about 10-20% of non-R movies in total. |
| 18:16.58 | macnewbold | fungus: I'm not saying the film industry is _trying_ to corrupt us, but with some of the movies they produce, they _are_ corrupting us, and I _do_ see a lot of PG movies and very very few R ones, and even those mostly on TV, etc. |
| 18:17.20 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: exactly... get the whole family there, and you'll make more money |
| 18:17.27 | macnewbold | especially in utah |
| 18:17.36 | bigdog_ut | in most states you will |
| 18:17.39 | macnewbold | where "the whole family" often means 6-10 people |
| 18:17.41 | cycokilr | everyone has the choice to make for themselves what they see.. you can't blame anything on the industry (making evil movies, etc..) |
| 18:17.43 | bigdog_ut | not just utah |
| 18:17.44 | cycokilr | you choose.. |
| 18:17.47 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: yes |
| 18:18.13 | bigdog_ut | true you choose and it is a wonder that the top movies are not R movies |
| 18:18.23 | macnewbold | I'm not necessarily _blaming_ them, but I am disappointed that so many shows that look like they could be good movies are made as R instead of PG/PG13 |
| 18:18.26 | cycokilr | i think that's pretty cool myself.. |
| 18:18.29 | fungus | We can't use grosses for this conversation. We need to compare *net* earnings. These top 10 movies have a lower profit margin due to the cost of marketing. |
| 18:18.34 | macnewbold | they lose my business by doing that |
| 18:18.35 | cycokilr | maybe the world isn't as messed up as we all think!! |
| 18:18.45 | macnewbold | fungus: bull-oney |
| 18:18.52 | cycokilr | oney? |
| 18:18.59 | macnewbold | bologna? is that right |
| 18:19.02 | cycokilr | ooh.. remember that game Oni? that was pretty cool.. |
| 18:19.18 | macnewbold | okay, someone find a list of top 10-25 _net_ earning movies |
| 18:19.19 | macnewbold | :) |
| 18:19.45 | fungus | Back to my point. You have no one to complain about but yourselves (in general). |
| 18:20.39 | fungus | more R movies because that is what the average movie goer actually goes to see. |
| 18:21.24 | bigdog_ut | i wouldnt agree with that though |
| 18:21.35 | fungus | Then who do you blame? |
| 18:21.39 | bigdog_ut | pg13 is the most...that is why there is tons of them |
| 18:21.43 | bigdog_ut | it is the medium |
| 18:22.05 | cycokilr | you can't make generalizations.. i probably see as many nc-17's as i do r's.. |
| 18:22.20 | cycokilr | but that's john waters.. |
| 18:22.29 | fungus | yay, John Waters! |
| 18:22.30 | cycokilr | he can't get anything less than nc-17 i guess.. |
| 18:23.03 | fungus | He just did an interview on http://www.dvdtalkradio.com/ |
| 18:24.08 | cycokilr | that's cool.. he had some cool extras on the dvd for pink flamingos/female trouble too.. |
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| 18:24.17 | fungus | Yeah, I bought that one too |
| 18:25.18 | cycokilr | i want to see his new one too.. |
| 18:25.55 | fungus | It is really good, but I wouldn't suggest macnewbold or mindjuju see it. |
| 18:26.17 | cycokilr | i wouldn't suggest any john waters movies to anyone in this channel.. |
| 18:26.17 | mindjuju | what? |
| 18:26.28 | cycokilr | even pecker.. |
| 18:26.29 | mindjuju | here i am eating some cajun food |
| 18:26.32 | macnewbold | fungus: how do you figure the "average" movie goer is attending R movies more than PG? |
| 18:27.05 | cycokilr | mmm.. cajun food.. |
| 18:27.24 | mindjuju | yup dirty rice with beans |
| 18:27.50 | mindjuju | and what's worse, is that I had fried catfish cajun style just this past friday |
| 18:27.51 | mindjuju | yum |
| 18:28.12 | cycokilr | oh man.. i love catfish.. |
| 18:28.20 | mindjuju | so spicy you could barely stand it, and tons of lemons |
| 18:28.34 | cycokilr | i don't know.. i can take a lot of spice.. |
| 18:29.08 | mindjuju | it's funny, i've sampled a lot of different types of food, but I always go back to cajun for special occassions |
| 18:29.26 | cycokilr | special occasion today? |
| 18:29.30 | mindjuju | last week |
| 18:29.38 | cycokilr | ahh.. |
| 18:29.48 | mindjuju | got the top from upper management that we needed to start looking towards the future and career pathing |
| 18:30.05 | mindjuju | its one thing to come from the worker, but to have management come out and encourage a meeting to keep me happy |
| 18:30.15 | mindjuju | well, i thought, dang! it's catfish time! |
| 18:30.38 | fungus | macnewbold, I seemed to have lost what your argument is. Who do you blame for the proliferation of R movies? |
| 18:30.56 | cycokilr | wow.. i can't believe john waters actually had a movie that wasn't rated R.. (and i'm not talking about the X and NC-17 ones).. it was actually PG13 |
| 18:31.12 | fungus | Really? which one? pecker? |
| 18:31.25 | cycokilr | oh wait, no.. it was PG and he just wrote it.. didn't direct it.. |
| 18:31.30 | cycokilr | hairspray.. |
| 18:31.49 | cycokilr | the old hairspray.. he's re-making it.. and i think directing.. |
| 18:32.00 | cycokilr | pecker was R |
| 18:32.03 | mindjuju | i think we are missing the movie point |
| 18:32.10 | macnewbold | fungus: I don't blame anyone in particular. I'm just opposed to it/them. |
| 18:32.11 | fungus | Oh yeah, he also wrote the script for the broadway play |
| 18:32.13 | mindjuju | the greatest movie of all time was Big Trouble in little China |
| 18:32.17 | mindjuju | and that was rated PG |
| 18:32.17 | cycokilr | what point? |
| 18:32.45 | cycokilr | with real genius running pretty close behind it.. |
| 18:32.55 | macnewbold | real genius was a good show |
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| 18:33.01 | mindjuju | i loved real genius |
| 18:33.12 | cycokilr | it still is a good show.. |
| 18:33.19 | cycokilr | ;-) |
| 18:33.55 | mindjuju | But Big Trouble in little China, that was the best, a little magic, tons of butt kicking, a young Kim Catrail |
| 18:34.07 | mindjuju | and Kurt Russel |
| 18:34.11 | mindjuju | all star cast |
| 18:34.13 | cycokilr | yep.. it was the best.. |
| 18:34.14 | fungus | macnewbold, I am not "for" R rated movies. I am only "for" the realization that it is the audiences responsibility to control the market. This is a capitalistic society. |
| 18:34.23 | macnewbold | right |
| 18:34.45 | macnewbold | but at the same time, I think some producers/directors/etc. are deluded about "what audiences want" |
| 18:35.07 | mindjuju | i even have the movie on dvd, vcd, vhs and the action figure for lightning |
| 18:35.12 | cycokilr | i think a lot of the directors just make what they see in their head.. |
| 18:35.12 | macnewbold | or that in some cases they ignore it in the name of "art" |
| 18:35.37 | macnewbold | cycokilr: right |
| 18:35.40 | macnewbold | they're making art |
| 18:35.52 | mindjuju | but since we are the partial tangent of awesome movies of the 80' |
| 18:35.57 | macnewbold | they're not always as focused on the money aspect as the person funding them |
| 18:35.57 | fungus | It isn't the producers/directors/etc responsibility to know "what audiences want". It is the responsibility of the film execs that pay for the movies. |
| 18:36.00 | mindjuju | 80's, who could forget uncle buck? |
| 18:36.03 | cycokilr | i would be suprised if they actually thought very much about what the audience wants to see at all through the production.. |
| 18:36.13 | cycokilr | now, remember i said a lot.. not all.. |
| 18:36.19 | macnewbold | fungus: they would then be part of the /etc. I mentioned above |
| 18:36.27 | cycokilr | uncle buck was great |
| 18:36.57 | fungus | You must separate them. Directors responsibility is to the art. film execs responsibility is to make money. |
| 18:37.33 | cycokilr | wow, the director of this movie should be shot.. |
| 18:37.40 | macnewbold | so who's responsability is it to think about the content their putting in, and whether or not it is appropriate for general audiences? |
| 18:37.48 | macnewbold | they're the ones that I'm talking aobut |
| 18:37.54 | cycokilr | the editors.. |
| 18:37.59 | macnewbold | the ones who determine whether PG or R content should be in it |
| 18:38.06 | cycokilr | the mpaa |
| 18:38.07 | fungus | film execs pay the director to make his movie because he thinks the directors art will make money. |
| 18:38.13 | cycokilr | yep |
| 18:38.31 | cycokilr | then it goes in the cutting room |
| 18:38.43 | cycokilr | then they make it whatever rating they feel they need to.. |
| 18:38.46 | fungus | If the film execs think the PG movie will make more money they will pay the PG director, and not the R director |
| 18:38.56 | macnewbold | somewhere along the line, someone should be making a conscious decision about the content, and who it is appropriate for |
| 18:39.12 | cycokilr | the consumer |
| 18:39.18 | macnewbold | PG gives them a far bigger audience than R does |
| 18:39.20 | cycokilr | it's our responsibility |
| 18:39.23 | macnewbold | right |
| 18:39.58 | fungus | It is our responsibility to vote with our dollar what movies we like to see made. |
| 18:40.00 | macnewbold | thus my decision to avoid movies I consider inappropriate (most of which are rated R, and the category that most R rated movies fall into) |
| 18:40.01 | cycokilr | there is no one in the movie industry that is responsible for the decisiions we make as consumers.. |
| 18:40.06 | macnewbold | fungus: exactly what I'm doing |
| 18:40.09 | fungus | then the film execs will only pay the PG style directors. |
| 18:40.16 | macnewbold | hooray! |
| 18:40.22 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 18:40.27 | macnewbold | anyway, time for lunch |
| 18:40.33 | macnewbold | $2.50 special at Dan's |
| 18:40.57 | fungus | Obviously that hasn't happened yet because there are many people (including me) that vote for R films. |
| 18:40.59 | cycokilr | it's just like all the people that get upset cause their kids are doing bad at school.. the parents think the schools should be "raising" their kids.. |
| 18:41.19 | cycokilr | people just don't accept responsibility these days.. it's sad.. |
| 18:41.20 | macnewbold | cycokilr: don't get me going on that one... those are really lame parents, or misguided at best |
| 18:41.32 | cycokilr | yeah, sorry.. just ignore all that.. |
| 18:41.44 | cycokilr | it'll get me going too. |
| 18:41.46 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 18:42.01 | macnewbold | two philosophical debates in one day... I don't know if #uphpu could handle that |
| 18:42.13 | cycokilr | then there's the whole commuter lane thing.. ooh.. that really gets me going.. |
| 18:42.14 | fungus | I don't have kids (and don't plan to) so I think we are safe from that one. |
| 18:42.21 | dataw0lf|w | SEX! |
| 18:42.30 | fungus | Yes please! |
| 18:42.36 | dataw0lf|w | sorry, had to bring the morality down a bit since I'm sure it went up since I went to lunch. |
| 18:42.37 | cycokilr | and now for something completely differnt.. |
| 18:42.50 | cycokilr | *music* |
| 18:43.06 | cycokilr | *john cleese talking about cheese* |
| 18:43.21 | dataw0lf|w | *cycokilr shutting his trap* |
| 18:43.27 | mindjuju | oh, is that the one where he goes into the cheese shop and they don't have any cheese? |
| 18:43.46 | cycokilr | *dataw0lf jumping off a cliff* |
| 18:44.07 | cycokilr | i was deliberatly wasting your time.. |
| 18:44.16 | cycokilr | i'm going to have to shoot you.. |
| 18:44.20 | cycokilr | alright.. |
| 18:44.32 | mindjuju | i love that one |
| 18:44.40 | cycokilr | that one is good.. |
| 18:44.44 | cycokilr | i need to get the dvds.. |
| 18:45.04 | mindjuju | have the final rip off and monty python sings |
| 18:45.07 | cycokilr | i have the tapes i bought back in my youth.. i like the spanish inquisition ones too.. |
| 18:45.10 | mindjuju | that's pretty much all the good stuff |
| 18:45.16 | mindjuju | except for the movies of course |
| 18:45.19 | cycokilr | yeah, the final rip off.. i have that on tape.. |
| 18:45.24 | cycokilr | *two tapes |
| 18:45.40 | mindjuju | i have the cds / mp3s |
| 18:46.46 | mindjuju | that's song is hilarious |
| 18:47.17 | mindjuju | course though, doesn't compare to Sit on My face |
| 18:51.15 | cycokilr | henry kissenger? |
| 18:51.59 | dataw0lf|w | cycokilr: you better be coming to the apartment warming partay me and kryp are hosting next weekend, sir. |
| 18:52.09 | cycokilr | alright.. |
| 18:52.19 | cycokilr | wait, isn't that the arts festival downtown? |
| 18:52.24 | cycokilr | sorry.. can't make it.. |
| 18:52.35 | dataw0lf|w | I'm going to kill you. |
| 18:52.58 | cycokilr | you already tried that.. and my neighbor beat you sensless at pool.. |
| 18:53.06 | cycokilr | ha ha.. |
| 18:53.16 | cycokilr | sorry.. couldn't resist that one.. |
| 18:53.17 | dataw0lf|w | argh. |
| 18:53.25 | dataw0lf|w | I was drunk. |
| 18:53.28 | dataw0lf|w | that's my excuse. |
| 18:53.30 | dataw0lf|w | yessss. |
| 18:53.43 | cycokilr | no it's cool.. i think we're making a batch of beer this weekend too.. i'll bring some over.. |
| 18:54.06 | cycokilr | well, when i say we're.. i mean me.. |
| 18:54.11 | cycokilr | like my gf helps at all.. |
| 18:54.15 | fungus | Anyone here a Bruce Campbell fan? |
| 18:54.21 | cycokilr | yeah man.. |
| 18:54.31 | cycokilr | he's been in a lot of movies lately.. |
| 18:54.44 | fungus | Tickets on sale! |
| 18:54.44 | fungus | Wednesday, June 15. |
| 18:54.44 | fungus | Bruce Campbell will be here in person to present his film MAN WITH THE SCREAMING BRAIN as well as do a book signing of MAKE LOVE THE BRUCE CAMPBELL WAY (must buy a book from Sam Weller's Book Store in order to get a ticket to the book signing). |
| 18:54.56 | cycokilr | where is here? |
| 18:55.15 | fungus | Salt Lake Film Society, Broadway Center |
| 18:55.25 | cycokilr | nice.. that would be cool.. |
| 18:55.50 | cycokilr | oh man.. now i want to go watch bubba ho-tep again..l |
| 18:56.07 | mindjuju | army of darkness = classic |
| 18:56.23 | cycokilr | oh yeah.. have that one.. |
| 18:56.47 | dataw0lf|w | OMG |
| 18:56.50 | cycokilr | doesn't serious sam remind you of that movie? or at least bruce campbell in that movie.. |
| 18:56.51 | dataw0lf|w | I AM SO THERE |
| 18:56.54 | dataw0lf|w | OMG |
| 18:57.00 | cycokilr | dataw0lf: dude, shut up man.. |
| 18:57.00 | dataw0lf|w | I THINK I MIGHT DIE IN HAPPINESS |
| 18:57.09 | cycokilr | or i'll call my neighbor.. |
| 18:57.17 | dataw0lf|w | I AM HAPPY YOU CANNOT RUIN MY HIGH |
| 18:57.17 | cycokilr | and bring her to the house warming with me.. |
| 18:57.24 | dataw0lf|w | ok, that's enough, sir. |
| 18:57.32 | dataw0lf|w | I will bite you if you do that. |
| 18:57.37 | cycokilr | good.. |
| 18:57.37 | dataw0lf|w | seriously bite you. |
| 18:57.43 | dataw0lf|w | you've seen me open bottles with my teeth. |
| 18:57.53 | cycokilr | yeah, and i've seen you play pool.. |
| 18:58.35 | cycokilr | dataw0lf: speakin' of music.. who was that band at todd's that night? |
| 18:58.49 | cycokilr | not your buddies.. the one playing when we got there.. |
| 18:58.54 | dataw0lf|w | oh, I dunno. |
| 18:58.55 | cycokilr | you remeber? |
| 18:58.57 | dataw0lf|w | Nope |
| 18:58.59 | cycokilr | dang.. |
| 18:59.00 | fungus | http://www.bruce-campbell.com/appearances/july.htm#0709 |
| 18:59.02 | dataw0lf|w | I believe I was rather wasted that night. |
| 18:59.05 | cycokilr | they were pretty good.. |
| 18:59.08 | cycokilr | yes you were. |
| 19:01.33 | synic | dataw0lf|w: the guy's name was dave. |
| 19:01.41 | synic | randy's brother. |
| 19:01.49 | dataw0lf|w | synic: he was talking about the other band. |
| 19:01.52 | dataw0lf|w | synic: I know Dave. |
| 19:01.55 | dataw0lf|w | dur |
| 19:02.03 | synic | oh. |
| 19:02.15 | dataw0lf|w | I wasn't THAT wasted. |
| 19:02.17 | dataw0lf|w | holy crap. |
| 19:03.36 | cycokilr | yeah, but how cool is this: for i in *.mp3; do mpg123 --rate 44100 --stereo --buffer 3072 --resync -w `basename $i .mp3`.wav $i; done |
| 19:04.59 | macnewbold | k, now why, cycokilr? |
| 19:05.18 | cycokilr | well, i looked cool.. |
| 19:05.22 | cycokilr | i mean it.. |
| 19:05.27 | cycokilr | well, i did too.. |
| 19:06.09 | cycokilr | nah, i just found it online somewhere.. might come in handy some day.. |
| 19:09.26 | cycokilr | so i decided that you have to load the gnome stuff (even though i use windowmaker) if you want the multiple monitors to work right with SuSE 9.3.. |
| 19:09.36 | cycokilr | well, more figured out than decided.. |
| 19:27.20 | macnewbold | is John M from Colorado in here? |
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| 20:06.38 | cycokilr | man i was just like playing around and wrote a pretty cool file browser in php.. |
| 20:06.47 | cycokilr | it's pretty simple.. but it works good.. |
| 20:07.39 | dataw0lf|w | some people are inspired by music. |
| 20:07.44 | dataw0lf|w | others, a sunny day. |
| 20:08.06 | cycokilr | wow dude.. you're wierd.. |
| 20:08.09 | dataw0lf|w | you just get straight to the point and create something that helps you browse and organize your porn collection, however. |
| 20:08.33 | cycokilr | it doesn't do organization at all.. |
| 20:08.49 | cycokilr | just a browser.. so i can get files off my computer when i'm at my office in orem.. |
| 20:08.55 | dataw0lf|w | righto. |
| 20:09.46 | cycokilr | i'm just sayin'.. it's pretty cool what you can do with php in a 1.13 kb file.. |
| 20:10.14 | dataw0lf|w | I'm just giving you grief. |
| 20:10.23 | dataw0lf|w | ... 'grief'. |
| 20:10.25 | dataw0lf|w | see #ut2600 |
| 20:10.35 | mindjuju | man, i sux at ice skating |
| 20:10.36 | mindjuju | http://www.candystand.com/games/gamepage.aspx?gameid=173 |
| 20:11.19 | cycokilr | it's even password protected.. |
| 20:11.37 | dataw0lf|w | cycokilr: oh yeah? URL? |
| 20:11.57 | cycokilr | yeah yeah.. |
| 20:12.01 | cycokilr | maybe later.. |
| 20:12.12 | macnewbold | ~ET |
| 20:12.13 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, et is Ethiopia |
| 20:12.13 | cycokilr | you know my password.. |
| 20:12.17 | macnewbold | doh |
| 20:12.23 | macnewbold | what's ET really? |
| 20:12.32 | dataw0lf|w | Enemy Territory. |
| 20:12.37 | cycokilr | a movie? |
| 20:12.42 | dataw0lf|w | open source FPS |
| 20:13.12 | dataw0lf|w | Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. Multiplayer only FPS that they open sourced at Carmack's request, I believe. |
| 20:13.19 | dataw0lf|w | works great on Linux. |
| 20:13.24 | dataw0lf|w | and it's uber fun. |
| 20:13.25 | macnewbold | ~ET is also Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory |
| 20:13.26 | jbot | macnewbold: okay |
| 20:13.37 | macnewbold | sweet |
| 20:13.45 | macnewbold | open source FPS == real goodness |
| 20:14.09 | cycokilr | open source something like command & conquer would be cool.. |
| 20:14.11 | dataw0lf|w | ah jea. And it's not too far behind the tech curve. |
| 20:14.20 | macnewbold | didn't some of the old wolfenstein or doom or quake engines get open sourced? |
| 20:14.31 | cycokilr | quake engines.. |
| 20:14.39 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, Quake engines got open sourced. |
| 20:14.52 | macnewbold | cycokilr: yeah, C&C or one or all of the Warcraft/Starcraft sets would be awesome |
| 20:14.53 | dataw0lf|w | ET uses the Quake 3 engine I believe. |
| 20:14.58 | cycokilr | that's cool.. |
| 20:15.02 | macnewbold | very sweet |
| 20:15.07 | dataw0lf|w | cycokilr / macnewbold: Try Battle of Wesnoth. |
| 20:15.09 | macnewbold | way to not reinvent the wheel |
| 20:15.15 | macnewbold | what is it? |
| 20:15.25 | cycokilr | http://www.quakesrc.org/ |
| 20:15.56 | dataw0lf|w | Battle of Wesnoth is an open source strategy game. |
| 20:15.59 | dataw0lf|w | pretty jawesome too. |
| 20:16.07 | cycokilr | that's cool.. |
| 20:16.13 | dataw0lf|w | www.wesnoth.org |
| 20:16.22 | cycokilr | ooh, what about the hexen 2 engine.. that's OS as well i guess.. |
| 20:16.31 | macnewbold | very cool |
| 20:16.49 | macnewbold | way to go Freebsd: /usr/ports/games/wesnoth |
| 20:16.50 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 20:16.51 | fungus | eh, I don't like FPSs. I like my World of Warcraft. |
| 20:17.12 | cycokilr | yeah, that's cool.. but i hate the midevil ones.. |
| 20:17.13 | macnewbold | yeah, I'm not big on FPS, but I love the real-time strategy ones when I have time to play |
| 20:17.18 | cycokilr | i like the military ones.. |
| 20:17.22 | macnewbold | it's been like 8 months I think since I got to play though :) |
| 20:17.22 | jm_ul | has anyone ever played nethack? |
| 20:17.27 | macnewbold | heard of it |
| 20:17.27 | dataw0lf|w | I like FPSs |
| 20:17.30 | dataw0lf|w | jm_ul: yeah. |
| 20:17.31 | dataw0lf|w | of course. |
| 20:17.39 | macnewbold | jm_ul: john M, welcome! |
| 20:17.55 | dataw0lf|w | FPSes > * because you get up close and personal. |
| 20:17.59 | jm_ul | yes...tis me....haven't been on irc in a few years now |
| 20:18.08 | dataw0lf|w | you can almost see the fear in the models face when you whip out your Thompson and go to work. |
| 20:18.15 | macnewbold | oh, btw, cycokilr: do you have a link to that file browser thing, if it's open source? |
| 20:18.23 | cycokilr | anyone want to play some mugwump?? |
| 20:18.28 | macnewbold | well, we're glad to have you, jm_ul |
| 20:18.30 | cycokilr | it's just here on my computer.. |
| 20:18.43 | jm_ul | thx mac |
| 20:19.15 | dataw0lf|w | and FPSs with teamspeak is even better. |
| 20:19.23 | dataw0lf|w | cause then you can actually TALK smack. |
| 20:19.35 | dataw0lf|w | I usually just laugh maniacally though. |
| 20:20.46 | fungus | teamspeak is really cool |
| 20:21.22 | fungus | I only use it for WoW raids though. |
| 20:21.27 | cycokilr | macnewbold: yeah, let me put it on another server.. |
| 20:21.55 | dataw0lf|w | yup, cause then when you kill someone you not only shoot their body, you also cackle and scream into the headset '@(#* you #$)(# haha #)$(# mom #)$(#' |
| 20:22.38 | fungus | Also easier to scream "Heal me", or "Run!" than it is to type it. |
| 20:23.13 | dataw0lf|w | I have 'Medic!' and 'Ammo!' shortcutted in ET, because it puts an icon over your head and shows you on the map for your teammates. |
| 20:23.51 | dataw0lf|w | saves all my teamspeak time for smack talk, too. |
| 20:23.57 | macnewbold | jm_ul: soon we'll have a wiki and such for the project, so we can exchange information more easily |
| 20:24.09 | dataw0lf|w | ack |
| 20:24.45 | dataw0lf|w | I'm kinda busy moving right now, I dunno when i'll have the time to setup my server. |
| 20:24.45 | macnewbold | but first we need to decide on the name :) |
| 20:24.50 | cycokilr | http://www.woodenpickle.com/fb.phps |
| 20:24.50 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: no problem |
| 20:25.10 | macnewbold | so speaking of project names, does anyone have other ideas? |
| 20:25.24 | macnewbold | we've been tossing around Phlite |
| 20:25.39 | macnewbold | and maybe Phlyte or Pylot for the python port |
| 20:25.41 | cycokilr | oh man.. i wanted to come to the meeting.. |
| 20:26.07 | dataw0lf|w | ack, I have to get this presentation ready for Tuesday too. |
| 20:26.20 | dataw0lf|w | ack, I have to finish this curses project. |
| 20:26.27 | cycokilr | curses! |
| 20:26.28 | dataw0lf|w | ack, I have to setup the new 2600slc.org |
| 20:26.33 | fungus | or Plyte |
| 20:26.40 | macnewbold | cycokilr: btw, thanks for the link - do you have a woring one to try? |
| 20:27.02 | macnewbold | s/woring/working/ |
| 20:27.05 | fungus | macnewbold needs a pimp for his woring |
| 20:27.16 | macnewbold | s/fungus/whoring/ |
| 20:27.22 | cycokilr | not really.. just the one on my machine.. |
| 20:27.31 | macnewbold | the w's not silent unless it's followed by an h |
| 20:27.39 | dataw0lf|w | one dolla fo macnewbold. |
| 20:27.42 | macnewbold | cycokilr: yeah, I probably wouldn't want ot see what you've got on your ht |
| 20:27.42 | dataw0lf|w | can I get one dolla |
| 20:27.44 | macnewbold | hd |
| 20:27.49 | macnewbold | ~slap dataw0lf |
| 20:27.50 | jbot | ACTION slaps dataw0lf, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 20:27.55 | macnewbold | ~frenchtaunt dataw0lf |
| 20:27.56 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! dataw0lf, I burst my pimples at you... |
| 20:28.01 | dataw0lf|w | :p |
| 20:28.10 | macnewbold | ~raspberry dataw0lf |
| 20:28.13 | cycokilr | contrary to dataw0lf's beliefs, there isn't much you would be offended by.. a couple movies maybe.. |
| 20:28.23 | macnewbold | oh, good |
| 20:28.24 | macnewbold | anyway, |
| 20:28.27 | cycokilr | like major motion picture ones.. |
| 20:28.30 | macnewbold | I'll try that src out locally |
| 20:28.34 | cycokilr | like blue velvet.. stuff like that.. |
| 20:28.38 | dataw0lf|w | Blue Velvet! |
| 20:28.43 | dataw0lf|w | another amazing R rated movie. |
| 20:28.46 | jm_ul | mac: thx, i'll keep an eye out for the wiki part of the project |
| 20:28.53 | fungus | Eek! |
| 20:28.57 | cycokilr | dataw0lf: come on.. you saw the BV poster on my wall? right? |
| 20:29.10 | dataw0lf|w | cycokilr: every time I've been at your house I'm drunk. |
| 20:29.19 | cycokilr | ahh.. good point.. |
| 20:29.22 | cycokilr | fungus: what? |
| 20:29.26 | cycokilr | DL isn't that bad.. |
| 20:29.46 | dataw0lf|w | Twin Peaks, man, TWIN PEAKS. |
| 20:29.56 | dataw0lf|w | which reminds me to order Sopranos Season 5. |
| 20:29.58 | dataw0lf|w | I haven't yet. |
| 20:30.01 | dataw0lf|w | I'm a bad fan. |
| 20:30.09 | fungus | noo, another few hours of pointless, confusing, unintelligible pain. |
| 20:30.44 | dataw0lf|w | fungus: just because your feeble intellect cannot grasp Mr. Lynch's dizzying distortion of reality does not mean you have to be so insulting, sir. |
| 20:30.46 | fungus | I even tried watching Mullholland Drive twice to make sense of it. Awful crap. |
| 20:31.31 | fungus | And don't get me started on Lost Highway. |
| 20:31.45 | cycokilr | yeah, i never say lost highway.. |
| 20:32.54 | cycokilr | i always say dataw0lf sucks at pool though.. |
| 20:39.25 | dataw0lf|w | Listen. |
| 20:39.30 | dataw0lf|w | That night doesn't count. |
| 20:39.30 | cycokilr | what? |
| 20:39.44 | dataw0lf|w | You weren't playing so hot yourself, sir. |
| 20:39.50 | dataw0lf|w | and we never played each other. |
| 20:39.52 | dataw0lf|w | So it doesn't count. |
| 20:40.01 | cycokilr | oh, i'm sure you'd look just as silly.. |
| 20:40.05 | cycokilr | just ask synic |
| 20:40.08 | dataw0lf|w | I let that crackhead win so she'd feel good about herself for a change. |
| 20:40.13 | cycokilr | he's played pool against me.. |
| 20:40.30 | dataw0lf|w | it was a woman. |
| 20:40.37 | dataw0lf|w | shows how much you know. |
| 20:40.48 | cycokilr | look up ^^ |
| 20:41.31 | dataw0lf|w | oh. |
| 20:42.04 | cycokilr | yeah |
| 20:42.30 | dataw0lf|w | hi.. |
| 20:42.33 | dataw0lf|w | i'm dw.. |
| 20:42.56 | ninjacl0wn | pfft, you can have it. |
| 20:43.17 | macnewbold | ~ninjaclown |
| 20:43.22 | macnewbold | ~ninjacl0wn |
| 20:43.26 | cycokilr | nah.. don't want it.. |
| 20:43.39 | ninjacl0wn | you just want to be me, is all. |
| 20:43.52 | cycokilr | yeah.. so i can suck at pool.. |
| 20:43.55 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 20:44.03 | cycokilr | i'm just too good at it.. |
| 20:44.31 | cycokilr | speakin' of that.. all this talk of pool is makin' me want to go play.. |
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| 20:45.42 | cycokilr | wps: were you here for the movie ratings discussion man? |
| 20:46.23 | fungus | [11:22] wpsI have problems with Clean Flicks because it promotes the production of what I deem to be bad films. Instead of buying edited movies, people need to boycott them and demand that the studios produce better films. |
| 20:46.42 | cycokilr | ahh.. i guess so.. |
| 20:47.11 | dataw0lf|w | jeez. |
| 20:47.22 | dataw0lf|w | fungus had that buffered at the ready, didn't he? |
| 20:47.31 | cycokilr | it looks like it.. |
| 20:47.44 | cycokilr | cause even xchat doesn't store that far back in the active window.. |
| 20:47.52 | cycokilr | ;-) |
| 20:48.25 | fungus | I use X-Chat Aqua, and it does store it back that far. |
| 20:48.37 | wps | yes, I was |
| 20:48.38 | dataw0lf|w | it's a preference setting. |
| 20:48.40 | wps | and yes, that is what I said |
| 20:49.22 | dataw0lf|w | Preferences -> Interface -> Text Box -> Scrollback Lines |
| 20:49.28 | dataw0lf|w | default is 300, iirc. |
| 20:49.32 | dataw0lf|w | I got mine at 100 |
| 20:49.50 | macnewbold | Gaim will give you basically infinite scroll back |
| 20:49.56 | macnewbold | plus you can have it log for you too |
| 20:50.06 | dataw0lf|w | why would I ever use Gaim for IRC? |
| 20:50.19 | dataw0lf|w | Can you write nifty Perl or Python plugins for Gaim IRC easily and without pain? |
| 20:50.20 | macnewbold | cause you also use 4 other IM protocols :) |
| 20:50.30 | dataw0lf|w | the only other IM protocol I use is Jabber. |
| 20:50.32 | macnewbold | the nice thing about gaim is I don't _need_ any plugins :) |
| 20:50.53 | dataw0lf|w | that's cause you're not an uber IRC power hax0r like myself. |
| 20:51.02 | dataw0lf|w | I'm in 10 channels just at work. |
| 20:51.07 | dataw0lf|w | and ~30 at home. |
| 20:51.10 | macnewbold | yeah, I'm on jabber, MSN, AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, and two different IRC servers all the time |
| 20:51.16 | dataw0lf|w | GAIM can't handle dat. |
| 20:51.22 | macnewbold | though I'm only in 4 channels currently |
| 20:51.34 | macnewbold | it can handle as many channels as you want... I've never been able to over load it |
| 20:51.40 | cycokilr | holy cow.. i'm going to stop talking in here.. it's just gets wierd discussions going.. |
| 20:52.25 | fungus | X-Chat has a better interface for IRC, IMHO. |
| 20:52.30 | dataw0lf|w | if you're honestly telling me that Gaim is more powerful than X-Chat, I think you need some help. |
| 20:52.45 | fungus | Gaim was meant for IM, so it's implementation seems screwy. |
| 20:52.49 | dataw0lf|w | Now, ease of use? |
| 20:52.54 | dataw0lf|w | go with what you want. |
| 20:53.03 | dataw0lf|w | and it's nice if you have 400 im screen names. |
| 20:53.15 | dataw0lf|w | but I don't. |
| 20:53.45 | fungus | I use both xchat and a gaim workalike. |
| 20:53.55 | macnewbold | I tried xchat, and didn't like it much |
| 20:54.26 | dataw0lf|w | the only client I'd say that competes with xchat in pure usefulness and power is irssi / bitchx. |
| 20:55.25 | fungus | on OSX Colloquy is good, but slightly buggy with some servers. |
| 20:55.40 | wps | Colloquy rocks |
| 20:55.42 | dataw0lf|w | ew, hate Colloquy |
| 20:55.47 | wps | I haven't had any complaints with it |
| 20:55.48 | dataw0lf|w | had to use it for a couple days. |
| 20:55.56 | fungus | It is pretty much just xchat done the OSX way. |
| 20:55.57 | macnewbold | I like the fact that gaim is one program with one consistent interface for all of it |
| 20:56.04 | wps | and I LOVE Adium |
| 20:56.18 | fungus | I stopped using it because one server I connect to can't maintain a connection with it. |
| 20:56.39 | fungus | and Adium is a great gaim workalike. :) |
| 21:00.37 | dataw0lf|w | mmm, UPHPU Barbeque goodness. |
| 21:01.48 | *** join/#uphpu RyanE (~rerickson@204.246.145.6) |
| 21:05.08 | macnewbold | ~welcome RyanE |
| 21:05.10 | jbot | Good to see you, RyanE! |
| 21:05.37 | RyanE | danke |
| 21:05.54 | RyanE | haven't made many meetings lately, either. |
| 21:06.51 | macnewbold | well, there's one next week |
| 21:09.43 | greygnome | BBQ Goood!!! |
| 21:10.03 | fungus | OMFGWTFBBQ! |
| 21:13.20 | macnewbold | yeah, let's have a BBQ |
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| 21:17.45 | fungus | Anyone know a good SOAP or XMLRPC gateway for stock quotes? |
| 21:18.42 | dataw0lf|w | yahoo finance server offers such things. |
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| 22:05.10 | macnewbold | three cheers for tierra, our newly volunteered BBQ organizer! |
| 22:05.15 | macnewbold | ~hip hip hooray |
| 22:05.24 | macnewbold | ~cheer tierra |
| 22:05.34 | *** topic/#uphpu by macnewbold -> BBQ coming soon | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 22:05.40 | tierra | hehe |
| 22:05.42 | *** topic/#uphpu by macnewbold -> BBQ coming soon | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
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| 22:11.13 | *** topic/#uphpu is BBQ coming soon | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 22:15.23 | macnewbold | http://colormixers.com/mixers/cmr/ |
| 22:15.25 | macnewbold | check that out |
| 22:15.49 | toxs | very cool |
| 22:18.02 | cycokilr | yeah, that is pretty cool.. |
| 22:19.04 | dataw0lf|w | so is there a general idea of when this barbeque would be eventing? |
| 22:19.10 | dataw0lf|w | I just invented that word, 'eventing'. |
| 22:19.16 | dataw0lf|w | I like. |
| 22:19.23 | cycokilr | next weekend at your place.. |
| 22:19.27 | cycokilr | that's what i heard.. |
| 22:19.59 | dataw0lf|w | ok, just make sure to not step on my naked body as you walk in, and don't spill the bottle in my hand. |
| 22:20.01 | dataw0lf|w | kthnx. |
| 22:21.35 | tierra | possibly the 25th |
| 22:22.53 | toxs | http://www.colormatch.dk/ |
| 22:23.01 | toxs | 5K version |
| 22:42.11 | *** part/#uphpu greygnome (~greygnome@69.2.248.18) |
| 22:42.51 | tierra | if only it worked |
| 22:43.12 | away_jm_ul | http://www.hypergurl.com/colormatch.php (pretty much the same thing on the sites you guys already posted but there are a BUNCH of predefined themes) |
| 22:46.07 | *** join/#uphpu bobert_ (~bobert@216.20.238.225) |
| 22:46.16 | tierra | there's themes on colormixers.com |
| 22:47.19 | tierra | besides, it has a lot less ads... like... none |
| 22:47.26 | bobert_ | http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html |
| 22:47.35 | away_jm_ul | tierra: sorry....i didn't scroll down far enough on that page =| |
| 22:47.36 | tierra | and they offer the source for download |
| 22:47.54 | bobert_ | no ads here, but has contrast, triad, tetrad and analogic mixers... |
| 22:48.04 | fungus | wow, I just saw colormixers. I love it. |
| 22:48.25 | fungus | Maybe I _can_ be a designer. :P |
| 22:48.30 | tierra | oh, I was wrong, colormixers does have ads... |
| 22:48.58 | tierra | but considering I didn't notice them until now, I'd have to say they're much more gentle ads |
| 22:49.27 | tierra | nice bobert_ |
| 22:49.28 | mindjuju | that wellstyled.com one is pretty beefy |
| 22:49.33 | tierra | I like that one |
| 22:50.00 | bobert_ | me too. I want to find one with more granularity though |
| 22:50.02 | mindjuju | go go gadget dictionary. lookup tetrad |
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| 22:50.51 | bobert_ | the images on that site kind of explain what they all are |
| 22:50.58 | bobert_ | at least as far as colors go |
| 22:52.28 | mindjuju | what the heck is that drop down menu doing, showing you what people in that category see? |
| 22:52.44 | mindjuju | like the atypical monochromatism is all black and white |
| 22:52.56 | bobert_ | I thought it was to make it viewable to colorblind people of those varieties |
| 22:58.32 | tierra | I'm starting to like bobert_'s better than colormixers... |
| 22:59.28 | bobert_ | pretty powerful, eh? |
| 22:59.38 | tierra | yeah |
| 22:59.45 | toxs | that is very nice |
| 22:59.50 | bobert_ | if you've got the patience, it looks like all the code is client-side |
| 23:00.32 | bobert_ | I want to know the formulae to get the colors and make my own |
| 23:01.48 | tierra | nice, it's fairly readable too |
| 23:01.54 | toxs | could have save the company one graphic artists salary if I had seen this sooner ;) |
| 23:02.04 | bobert_ | lol |
| 23:02.27 | bobert_ | I hope to make one graphic artist's salary with this :) |
| 23:02.39 | toxs | lol |
| 23:02.41 | toxs | even better |
| 23:04.16 | bobert_ | are any of you pros with regular expressions? |
| 23:04.27 | toxs | I have a book |
| 23:04.40 | bobert_ | know of any good sites on which to learn? |
| 23:05.15 | cycokilr | http://www.weitz.de/regex-coach/ |
| 23:06.19 | mindjuju | can you give a sample string that you are looking for? |
| 23:06.37 | bobert_ | I'm not actually in immediate need of it yet... |
| 23:06.56 | bobert_ | I've been wanting to learn it for a while, and this seems like the kind of place where people would know it... |
| 23:07.06 | toxs | anyone played with the PCRE v 5.0 in php 5.1? |
| 23:07.28 | toxs | http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/regex/index.html |
| 23:07.32 | mindjuju | then oreilly's book on regular expressions is pretty definative |
| 23:07.37 | toxs | pretty good book |
| 23:07.42 | mindjuju | covers all the major types of reg ex |
| 23:07.57 | bobert_ | hmmm |
| 23:07.59 | toxs | and it is a great cure for insomnia |
| 23:08.03 | bobert_ | lol |
| 23:08.35 | mindjuju | reg ex is like SQL . ever SQL server has its own sql syntax and commands |
| 23:08.44 | mindjuju | same for the reg ex ports, |
| 23:08.48 | mindjuju | similiar but different |
| 23:08.51 | bobert_ | I see |
| 23:08.53 | mindjuju | oreilly covers most though |
| 23:09.03 | toxs | but all equally fun |
| 23:09.15 | bobert_ | is there a relation between xpath and regexp? |
| 23:09.49 | toxs | don't think so |
| 23:09.54 | bobert_ | ok |
| 23:10.19 | toxs | xpath is a method of addressing parts of an XML doc |
| 23:10.40 | toxs | node_name/child_node_name |
| 23:10.52 | bobert_ | yeah. I wondered if I might get away with mimikiing xpath to learn regexp |
| 23:11.06 | bobert_ | apparently not :D |
| 23:12.31 | bobert_ | gnight all |
| 23:12.32 | *** part/#uphpu bobert_ (~bobert@216.20.238.225) |
| 23:28.21 | mindjuju | curious |
| 23:28.22 | mindjuju | http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050614/od_afp/afpentertainmentus_050614173451 |
| 23:28.58 | toxs | dork |
| 23:31.42 | dataw0lf | wassup gents |
| 23:32.09 | mindjuju | just reading this bit of news about how flushing the can causes these fish to change gender |
| 23:32.10 | mindjuju | http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=447&sid=529412 |
| 23:33.48 | toxs | later |
| 23:41.55 | macnewbold | I don't like the color schemes of the wellstyled one |
| 23:43.39 | mindjuju | picky picky picky |
| 23:48.56 | mindjuju | man, i hate to critique other people's parenting, but man |
| 23:48.57 | mindjuju | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/disney_world_death;_ylt=AhT4GoElEmC5r3QSWyw.Ajys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2bm5xNHVjBHNlYwNtcA-- |
| 23:49.35 | mindjuju | it even had a warning |
| 23:49.37 | mindjuju | An audio recording and a video warn of the risks. Signs advise pregnant women not to go on the ride. Motion sickness bags are offered to riders. One warning sign posted last year read: "For safety you should be in good health, and free from high blood pressure, heart, back or neck problems, motion sickness or other conditions that can be aggravated by this adventure." |
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| 23:51.33 | cycokilr | so i guess they won't be opening that "family colony" on mars any time soon.. |
| 23:52.20 | mindjuju | i don't know, maybe i'm being too critical, but if you had a kid that was 4, and they wanted a ride with a list of people who should not ride the ride |
| 23:52.24 | mindjuju | i think i'd have said no |
| 23:59.43 | cycokilr | http://www.aleph.se/Trans/Tech/Space/mars.html |