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| 00:04.36 | macnewbold | well, see ya then... :-? |
| 00:05.31 | *** topic/#uphpu by macnewbold -> Group project meeting in less than an hour! 7pm | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 00:07.09 | dataw0lf | damn it, going to have to take le taxi service to the meeting. Oh well, I'll bring my mp3 player to block out the broken english. |
| 00:07.22 | dataw0lf | now I need something for the smell. |
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| 00:08.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Where's the meeting tonight again? |
| 00:09.08 | Lone_Wanderer | ah hah, I found the email |
| 00:11.35 | macnewbold | Lone_Wanderer: we're in slc |
| 00:11.51 | macnewbold | on foothill drive between 2300 E (1450 S) and 1300 S |
| 00:12.13 | macnewbold | the mail archive from may 31 will have complete directions |
| 00:12.39 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
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| 00:18.17 | dataw0lf | sup wps |
| 00:18.22 | wps | hey |
| 00:18.38 | wps | you headed to the meeting? |
| 00:18.43 | wps | wish I could be there |
| 00:18.55 | dataw0lf | yeah, I'm going. |
| 00:19.08 | dataw0lf | got school or something, right? |
| 00:19.22 | wps | yeah. I have a final exam tomorrow that I have to study for. |
| 00:19.48 | dataw0lf | word. |
| 00:19.51 | dataw0lf | good luck bro. |
| 00:30.46 | *** topic/#uphpu by macnewbold -> Group project meeting 7-9pm | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 00:30.52 | macnewbold | wps, good luck with your test |
| 00:31.00 | wps | thanks |
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| 01:07.04 | macnewbol1 | welcome to class, everyone |
| 01:08.02 | mindjuju | mac, i just got a huge project dumped on me in a late meeting today so won't be able to be there |
| 01:08.09 | mindjuju | sorry! |
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| 01:10.23 | *** topic/#uphpu by macnewbol1 -> Group project meeting in progress | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 01:10.29 | macnewbol1 | no problem, mindjuju |
| 01:10.34 | macnewbol1 | we'll try and survive without you |
| 01:10.45 | macnewbol1 | anyone else here that cares about the meeting that is not in the room? |
| 01:10.49 | macnewbol1 | physically |
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| 01:11.33 | macnewbol1 | hi greygnome |
| 01:12.18 | greygnome | hey mac |
| 01:39.06 | wps | thanks for running the meeting, macnewbold |
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| 03:23.36 | macnewbold | wps: hope you're ready for the test |
| 03:23.39 | macnewbold | it went pretty well |
| 03:23.53 | macnewbold | lots of good progress, and nearly double the attendance this time |
| 03:24.10 | macnewbold | 10 of us, plus two more who got stuck with other commitments who would have come |
| 03:24.31 | macnewbold | we did get an audio recording though, courtesy of graygnome Jeff Shuey |
| 03:24.54 | macnewbold | anyway, time for me to head home... I've been working since 6am this morning, and it's now 9:30pm, so I'm done for the day |
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| 03:28.23 | bigdog_ut | how is the meeting going |
| 03:28.27 | bigdog_ut | or gone? |
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| 05:08.24 | dataw0lf | bigdog_ut: meeting went very well. |
| 05:08.34 | bigdog_ut | cool |
| 05:08.39 | bigdog_ut | anything good |
| 05:09.05 | dataw0lf | hmm, not really, got a couple guys interested in the porting from PHP to Python though. |
| 05:09.16 | dataw0lf | a group of us went to TGIFs for dinner and drinks afterwards. |
| 05:09.16 | bigdog_ut | oh |
| 05:09.20 | dataw0lf | I think fungus was a bit drunk. |
| 05:09.26 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 05:09.47 | dataw0lf | ;) |
| 05:10.04 | dataw0lf | I met the guy (and his twin) who's doing pherret, I guess they work with wps. |
| 05:10.07 | dataw0lf | pretty cool guys. |
| 05:10.47 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 05:11.44 | dataw0lf | yeah, there was a big push for OOP, but I think me and mac were able to hold them off for a bit. |
| 05:12.16 | dataw0lf | PHP 4 > PHP 5 |
| 05:12.28 | dataw0lf | oh well, after this, and porting to Python, hopefully I won't have to use PHP anymore. |
| 05:12.29 | dataw0lf | woot. |
| 05:13.00 | bigdog_ut | php4 really...php5 is where it needs to be |
| 05:13.47 | dataw0lf | php 4 code works better with php 5 then php 5 code with php 4, you hoser. |
| 05:13.58 | greygnome | ROLF |
| 05:14.09 | greygnome | Doh! ROFL |
| 05:14.17 | dataw0lf | and I stand by statement that PHP doesn't implement OOP correctly. |
| 05:14.22 | dataw0lf | +my |
| 05:15.12 | bigdog_ut | no doubt...but php5 moves forward...where going from php4 to php5 sucks hardcore |
| 05:15.20 | bigdog_ut | like php3 to php4 or php2 to php3 |
| 05:15.29 | bigdog_ut | just do php5 and dont worry about php4 |
| 05:15.54 | eco|w | PHP took function overloading out silently between some release. It made me sad. |
| 05:16.24 | eco|w | (because my code stopped working). |
| 05:17.33 | bigdog_ut | yeah...and they dont have namespacing...they are all too busy arguing over goto command |
| 05:18.14 | dataw0lf | heh. |
| 05:18.28 | dataw0lf | see, this is why we just need to get a good web framework for mod_python and not use it anymore. |
| 05:18.50 | dataw0lf | I mean, GOOGLE uses Python !1!!11ONE11! |
| 05:18.51 | bigdog_ut | you dont know how much i agree |
| 05:18.58 | bigdog_ut | and php too |
| 05:19.00 | dataw0lf | yeah I do, that's why we started URAPUG ;) |
| 05:19.23 | dataw0lf | anyways, I think it'll be pretty easy to port everything over to Python. |
| 05:19.26 | bigdog_ut | im thinking of doing a gui app in python sometime |
| 05:19.48 | dataw0lf | we'll have to do some cuhrazy coding to get proper session handling in, amongst other things, but we're geniuses, it'll work. |
| 05:20.01 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 05:20.04 | dataw0lf | bigdog_ut: why don't you help us with our wxPython module for IronMesh? |
| 05:20.05 | bigdog_ut | im not though |
| 05:20.16 | bigdog_ut | not sure i would like it |
| 05:20.26 | bigdog_ut | i want to do an xml editor so bad |
| 05:20.27 | dataw0lf | well, you use Java professionally, so by genius standards, you have a way to go. |
| 05:20.36 | bigdog_ut | no doubt |
| 05:20.38 | dataw0lf | But since I'm a genius, I have the power to appoint anyone else as a genius. |
| 05:20.43 | dataw0lf | and you're a genius. |
| 05:20.44 | bigdog_ut | actually i dont do alot of java at work |
| 05:20.55 | dataw0lf | it sounds like you do more in fighting than developing. |
| 05:20.58 | bigdog_ut | i do more arch then anything |
| 05:21.15 | bigdog_ut | yeah like you know java devs are a dime a dozen |
| 05:21.26 | dataw0lf | it's true. |
| 05:21.30 | bigdog_ut | so i get to tell them how the shit works together with the systems |
| 05:21.38 | dataw0lf | true dat. |
| 05:21.40 | bigdog_ut | so i tell developers how to do the development |
| 05:21.46 | dataw0lf | that's the best. |
| 05:21.55 | dataw0lf | (just being in charge and not actually doing anything) |
| 05:22.07 | bigdog_ut | it amazes me that so many java developers have no idea about the systems |
| 05:22.13 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 05:22.14 | dataw0lf | does it? not me. |
| 05:22.28 | bigdog_ut | actaully developers period |
| 05:22.32 | dataw0lf | btw, I'll have a presentation ready sunday for you to edit to your liking for the UPHPU meeting. |
| 05:22.39 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 05:22.41 | dataw0lf | too true. |
| 05:22.42 | bigdog_ut | that is cool |
| 05:22.52 | bigdog_ut | im hoping i will be here.. |
| 05:22.57 | dataw0lf | so am I. |
| 05:22.59 | dataw0lf | ya bastard. |
| 05:23.06 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 05:23.20 | bigdog_ut | our app in a datacenter is being deployed and those guys dont know jake |
| 05:23.27 | bigdog_ut | so they might fly me down there |
| 05:23.36 | dataw0lf | aw, man. |
| 05:23.39 | bigdog_ut | they are 30 days past due on deploying |
| 05:23.55 | dataw0lf | tierra: you're my backup as co-presenter then, if bigdog_ut can't make it. |
| 05:24.09 | bigdog_ut | ~wake tierra |
| 05:24.10 | jbot | tierra: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 05:24.12 | tierra | when, where, what? |
| 05:24.33 | dataw0lf | UPHPU presentation week after next, Basic Linux Administration, Networking, Security. |
| 05:24.37 | bigdog_ut | i will check out ironmesh some more and see if i can help sounds like ou have tons already |
| 05:24.54 | dataw0lf | bigdog_ut: anyone in the URAPUG who wants to learn something I'm inviting on this project. |
| 05:25.11 | dataw0lf | we have enough 'gurus' where we can fix mistakes you might make. |
| 05:25.13 | bigdog_ut | how many you have so far? |
| 05:25.18 | dataw0lf | gurus? |
| 05:25.20 | bigdog_ut | no doubt |
| 05:25.34 | bigdog_ut | people helping |
| 05:25.34 | dataw0lf | lowkey is our encryption guru, eco our gui guru, and I'm the network guru. |
| 05:25.53 | bigdog_ut | well hell im just a guru then |
| 05:26.22 | dataw0lf | six right now, but I think we got two guys from the meeting who are going to be interested in helping out as well. |
| 05:26.26 | bigdog_ut | it was funny today..i forgot in java that switchs cannot take strings...so i was debugging an app that i did that in...funny shit |
| 05:26.32 | bigdog_ut | im like it works in other languages |
| 05:26.42 | dataw0lf | java is crap, we both know this. |
| 05:26.50 | dataw0lf | that's why we should just start our own business, dude. |
| 05:27.03 | bigdog_ut | yeah i have 3 sides on starting now |
| 05:27.06 | dataw0lf | not anytime really soon, but maybe in a couple years, get a good foundation of guys we can trust. |
| 05:27.19 | tierra | bigdog_ut, so what part of BLA are you presenting on, and what are the chances you won't be able to show? |
| 05:27.21 | dataw0lf | then blow those linux guru guys out of the water with our uber skills. |
| 05:27.22 | bigdog_ut | i have been trying that for years |
| 05:27.35 | bigdog_ut | not sure and not sure |
| 05:27.39 | tierra | and will I at least have some slides to work on? |
| 05:27.43 | dataw0lf | tierra: it's just collabration, we haven't really split it down. |
| 05:27.49 | dataw0lf | and I'm going to have slides ready Sunday. |
| 05:27.57 | dataw0lf | so I'll send em to you when I send em to bigdog_ut. |
| 05:28.02 | tierra | alright |
| 05:28.05 | bigdog_ut | i will have the slides done for review before |
| 05:28.29 | dataw0lf | bbiab, I'm going to go waste some Nazis in ET |
| 05:28.55 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 05:47.23 | dataw0lf | fun, and now I'm going to bed. |
| 05:47.52 | dataw0lf | bigdog_ut: btw, I believe greygnome captured everything on audio if you want to know exactly what went down at the meeting. |
| 05:48.06 | dataw0lf | g'night gents. |
| 06:01.00 | bigdog_ut | k |
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| 14:10.16 | dataw0lf|w | g'morning guys |
| 14:15.39 | macnewbold | morning, dataw0lf|w |
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| 14:16.26 | dataw0lf|w | wazzup macnewbold |
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| 14:16.31 | dataw0lf|w | sup synic |
| 14:20.01 | macnewbold | so dataw0lf|w, how late did you guys stay at TGIF's last night? |
| 14:20.13 | macnewbold | anyone drunk besides fungus? |
| 14:20.14 | dataw0lf|w | hm, til about 11:00 |
| 14:20.17 | macnewbold | dang |
| 14:20.26 | macnewbold | I'm glad I hit the road at 9:30pm then... |
| 14:20.31 | dataw0lf|w | nah, but I tell you what, they got some strong drinks at TGIFs |
| 14:20.35 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 14:20.42 | dataw0lf|w | I had a rolling rock, and then had one of what fungus was having. |
| 14:20.46 | dataw0lf|w | it burned my mouth. |
| 14:20.57 | macnewbold | most places make a lot more $$ from the alcohol than the food :) |
| 14:21.03 | dataw0lf|w | too true. |
| 14:21.09 | dataw0lf|w | we got our money's worth there, though. |
| 14:26.52 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: meeting went really well last night, btw, good job keeping everything sane. ;) |
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| 14:48.03 | macnewbold | hehe, thanks, dataw0lf|w |
| 14:48.11 | macnewbold | if that was sane, I'd hate to see the alternative :) |
| 14:48.16 | macnewbold | it felt pretty crazy at times |
| 14:48.24 | macnewbold | but we ended up getting some stuff done |
| 14:49.51 | dataw0lf|w | I just can't endorse PHP with OOP. |
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| 14:53.25 | macnewbold | I'm putting together the email now to send out about the meeting |
| 14:55.39 | bigdog_ut | cool...did you vote on leadership? |
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| 14:58.01 | dataw0lf|w | I think we decided that mac was going to be the 'project director' |
| 15:05.02 | bigdog_ut | team leads? |
| 15:05.24 | dataw0lf|w | I don't think we even have any teams yet. |
| 15:05.34 | bigdog_ut | how many attended last nights meeting? |
| 15:05.52 | bigdog_ut | yeah probably needs deciding on the areas |
| 15:06.13 | dataw0lf|w | I think there were 8 or 9 people. |
| 15:06.22 | bigdog_ut | that is a nice turn out |
| 15:06.25 | dataw0lf|w | mac probably has a better count. |
| 15:06.53 | bigdog_ut | i can wait for the email |
| 15:12.45 | macnewbold | huh? |
| 15:12.48 | macnewbold | we had 10 total |
| 15:13.36 | macnewbold | unless there are major objections, it looks like I'll be the leader, but we didn't choose team leaders yet cause we didn't identify clear teams |
| 15:13.48 | macnewbold | everyone is supposed to bring their interests to next meeting |
| 15:13.55 | macnewbold | and we'll decide on some teams then, and choose leaders |
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| 16:06.51 | macnewbold | so dataw0lf|w: if we go with Phlite for the project name, I thought of another name besides Phlyte for the python port: Pylot |
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| 16:08.06 | macnewbold | the only thing already using Pylot is a rock band with a lame site |
| 16:08.35 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: sounds good. |
| 16:09.18 | macnewbold | I also checked Phlite and Phlyte - nothing really using them except for phliteklub.org, a model airplane group |
| 16:10.40 | dataw0lf|w | I'll setup the wiki and svn today. |
| 16:10.57 | dataw0lf|w | and give you admin access. |
| 16:11.59 | macnewbold | sweet |
| 16:12.08 | macnewbold | what are you planning on calling them? |
| 16:12.23 | dataw0lf|w | unsure :) |
| 16:12.34 | macnewbold | how closely tied do you want the php version and the python port to be? |
| 16:12.46 | macnewbold | say it's the same development team, with different people focusing on each part? |
| 16:12.54 | macnewbold | and have them use the same svn, flyspray, wiki, etc? |
| 16:12.56 | macnewbold | or separate them more? |
| 16:13.06 | dataw0lf|w | I'd like it to be as similar as possible. |
| 16:13.25 | macnewbold | if you want, we could make the python team part of the project, and make you the team leader |
| 16:13.31 | dataw0lf|w | So someone switching from PHP to Python, framework side, will have a minimal hassle. |
| 16:13.34 | macnewbold | or you could call it a separat thing |
| 16:13.37 | macnewbold | if you want |
| 16:13.53 | dataw0lf|w | It'd probably be better for cohesion if we were a team within the project. |
| 16:13.55 | macnewbold | btw, did you see the email? Did I forget or misrepresent anything? |
| 16:13.59 | macnewbold | yeah, I agree with you |
| 16:14.09 | macnewbold | sounds like many are interested in both sides, too |
| 16:14.12 | dataw0lf|w | Just read it, looks good to me. |
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| 16:14.51 | dataw0lf|w | btw, this server I'm going to be hosting it on is going to have a couple issues with access in the next couple weeks, because I'm moving, and moving my server to one of my work racks. |
| 16:15.06 | macnewbold | should be okay |
| 16:15.11 | macnewbold | won't be under heavy use yet :) |
| 16:15.17 | macnewbold | btw, what connection does it have? |
| 16:15.23 | macnewbold | or will it have? |
| 16:16.21 | dataw0lf|w | T3 |
| 16:16.28 | macnewbold | sweetness - 45mbps? |
| 16:16.35 | macnewbold | is it limited by a bw quota? |
| 16:18.14 | dataw0lf|w | err, T1 right now, we're upgrading to a T3 in July. |
| 16:18.21 | dataw0lf|w | 45mbps |
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| 16:30.33 | beandog | macnewbold: I dont think youd even FIND many people using php + mssql |
| 16:31.29 | beandog | I could be wrong though, who knows. |
| 16:31.42 | dataw0lf|w | I'm sure they're out there. |
| 16:31.51 | beandog | im using it |
| 16:32.24 | beandog | thanks man |
| 16:32.28 | beandog | were porting to postgres |
| 16:32.31 | beandog | so its not all doom and gloom |
| 16:33.07 | dataw0lf|w | a bright beacon in the future ahead for yah! moving from the windows server to something else, too, hopefully? |
| 16:33.25 | beandog | hopefully |
| 16:33.30 | dataw0lf|w | cool. |
| 16:33.40 | beandog | Theres gonna be some apps, Im sure, that we'll need windows for |
| 16:33.45 | beandog | Thank goodness for ODBC |
| 16:33.46 | dataw0lf|w | Let me make my expected plug, and recommend Debian. |
| 16:33.58 | beandog | Too late, already working on putting the 2nd Gentoo box in |
| 16:34.23 | dataw0lf|w | you almost made me faint, sir. |
| 16:34.31 | beandog | heh |
| 16:34.35 | beandog | People who know, Gentoo. ;) |
| 16:34.35 | dataw0lf|w | ;) |
| 16:35.00 | dataw0lf|w | heh, I'd certainly argue that. |
| 16:35.04 | jsmith | dataw0lf|w: Well, I'll do what I can... I don't make the world's best crutch :-) |
| 16:35.07 | dataw0lf|w | People who THINK they know, Gentoo. |
| 16:35.10 | beandog | Im gonna try and get a linux box to replace our Active Directory machine. That would be nice. |
| 16:35.10 | dataw0lf|w | ;) |
| 16:35.14 | dataw0lf|w | jsmith: hehe |
| 16:35.28 | macnewbold | beandog: I think you're right mostly about mssql - even I am stuck using it partly though, on one project |
| 16:35.37 | macnewbold | it's not even on the same server... it's a remote mssql install. |
| 16:35.51 | beandog | sorry man |
| 16:35.58 | beandog | I was hunting down a mssql bug the other day |
| 16:36.07 | beandog | I finally realized itw as in php 5.0.3 |
| 16:36.13 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 16:36.15 | macnewbold | what was it? |
| 16:36.15 | beandog | sometimes mssql_query returns FALSE even though it actually did execute. |
| 16:36.21 | macnewbold | doh |
| 16:36.30 | macnewbold | that sux0rs royally |
| 16:36.32 | beandog | Its fixed in 5.0.4 though |
| 16:36.34 | macnewbold | lying MSSQL |
| 16:36.51 | beandog | Seriously, you would do $rs = mssql_query("SELECT N'testing connection'); |
| 16:37.00 | macnewbold | also beandog, sorry to hear about your gentoo... |
| 16:37.01 | beandog | and it would say false |
| 16:37.05 | beandog | heh |
| 16:37.06 | beandog | Dont worry |
| 16:37.07 | macnewbold | FreeBSD would do much better for you |
| 16:37.20 | beandog | I can handle Gentoo |
| 16:37.30 | macnewbold | all the advantages of gentoo without all the disadvantages :) |
| 16:37.34 | beandog | Heh |
| 16:37.38 | beandog | Ive got to try it out |
| 16:37.50 | jsmith | macnewbold: Which "advantages" would those be :-) |
| 16:37.51 | bigdog_ut | what disadvantages? |
| 16:38.16 | macnewbold | well, the ports collection is a better replacement for gentoo's emerge stuff |
| 16:38.41 | beandog | Well mac thinks mysql is better than postgres too, so I'm gonna take his advice with a grain of salt ;) |
| 16:38.45 | macnewbold | and the build from source, configurability, etc of gentoo are at least as good in freebsd |
| 16:38.50 | macnewbold | ~clue beandog |
| 16:38.51 | jbot | ACTION fans out Vegas-style a stack of clues for beandog "Pick one, any one! ...and don't show it to me." |
| 16:38.54 | beandog | heh |
| 16:38.54 | macnewbold | ~praise MySQL |
| 16:38.55 | jbot | All hail MySQL! |
| 16:39.03 | macnewbold | ~hail freebsd |
| 16:39.04 | jbot | ACTION bows down to freebsd and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 16:39.09 | bigdog_ut | emerge has use flags that are killer |
| 16:39.09 | dataw0lf|w | Gentoo is terrible. |
| 16:39.11 | dataw0lf|w | Nuff said. |
| 16:39.14 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 16:39.19 | beandog | what dont you like about it dataw0lf|w ? |
| 16:39.23 | jsmith | dataw0lf|w: You and I and bigdog_ut need to hold our ground! |
| 16:39.26 | dataw0lf|w | it makes everyone and their Mom think that they're suddenly C programmers. |
| 16:39.28 | macnewbold | the use flags sound like BSD's make.conf |
| 16:39.36 | fungus | use flags are nice. but make.conf file is better. |
| 16:39.44 | macnewbold | ~pat fungus on the back |
| 16:39.45 | bigdog_ut | gentoo does? |
| 16:39.49 | dataw0lf|w | yes. |
| 16:39.55 | beandog | C programmers? |
| 16:40.09 | dataw0lf|w | Just because you watch things compile and suddenly know what a Makefile is doesn't put you in our holier than thou camp, sir. |
| 16:40.21 | beandog | True |
| 16:40.23 | jsmith | Amen! |
| 16:40.24 | bigdog_ut | not for any distro |
| 16:40.25 | dataw0lf|w | beandog: you're one of the rare few. |
| 16:40.26 | beandog | I like Gentoo for practicality |
| 16:40.31 | beandog | Aww, thanks man |
| 16:40.33 | macnewbold | jbot, pat $1 is <action> pats $1 and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 16:40.35 | jbot | okay, macnewbold |
| 16:40.39 | jsmith | beandog: The same could be argued for the other side |
| 16:40.39 | macnewbold | ~pat fungus on the back |
| 16:40.40 | jbot | ACTION pats fungus on the back and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 16:40.44 | beandog | jsmith: agreed |
| 16:40.45 | dataw0lf|w | I think Gentoo is decent for a workstation and/or development server. |
| 16:40.53 | dataw0lf|w | However, for a production server? Get out of here. |
| 16:40.58 | beandog | Its just a matter of what work best for you. I have the LEAST problems with Gentoo, so thats what I go with. |
| 16:40.59 | jsmith | dataw0lf|w: The same could be said for many distros |
| 16:40.59 | bigdog_ut | workstation is great...prod server is great too |
| 16:41.06 | dataw0lf|w | jsmith: oh, certainly agreed. |
| 16:41.25 | dataw0lf|w | Debian is the only distro suitable for a production server! |
| 16:41.27 | dataw0lf|w | Debian Uber Alles! |
| 16:41.29 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 16:41.34 | jsmith | Of course, I'm a Gentoo/Debian/Slackware hater, so don't listen to me |
| 16:41.44 | fungus | Use gentoo if you *have* to use Linux for a server. otherwise use FreeBSD. |
| 16:41.55 | jsmith | Doh! |
| 16:41.55 | dataw0lf|w | FreeBSD is good. |
| 16:41.59 | bigdog_ut | if i use a bsd it is openbsd |
| 16:42.07 | dataw0lf|w | And if you're going the Gentoo route you might as well suck it up and use FreeBSD. |
| 16:42.13 | jsmith | dataw0lf|w: Are you saying the only distro we all agree on isn't Linux? |
| 16:42.14 | dataw0lf|w | Be a man. |
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| 16:42.24 | dataw0lf|w | jsmith: hehe, looks that way. |
| 16:42.26 | fungus | OpenBSD is very nice too. a bit more difficult with some apps, but very nice. |
| 16:42.31 | jsmith | dataw0lf|w: I don't need to use BSD to be a man. |
| 16:42.37 | beandog | I'm a man |
| 16:42.40 | dataw0lf|w | jsmith: I'm speaking of Gentoo users. |
| 16:42.49 | bigdog_ut | hell...im moving to mandrake then |
| 16:42.51 | dataw0lf|w | jsmith: go back and fix some rpm dependencies, sucka. |
| 16:42.54 | jsmith | jsmith: Ok, I forgive you then... |
| 16:43.16 | dataw0lf|w | that's what RH does to you. |
| 16:43.19 | dataw0lf|w | makes you start talking to yourself. |
| 16:43.28 | beandog | How long would it take to get a freebsd server up and running |
| 16:43.48 | beandog | I need to setup a Samba PDC |
| 16:43.53 | bigdog_ut | beandog, we dont want to hear that |
| 16:43.55 | dataw0lf|w | That's some fun stuff. |
| 16:43.58 | beandog | which part |
| 16:44.07 | dataw0lf|w | we do all our auth here with Samba, NFS+, and OpenLDAP. |
| 16:44.11 | fungus | I can have a freebsd server running, with complete integration in my environment, in about 20-30min |
| 16:44.14 | dataw0lf|w | don't comment on NFS+. |
| 16:44.19 | beandog | Oh, well I'm trying to replace Active Directory |
| 16:44.22 | dataw0lf|w | unless you want to port OpenLDAP to Tru64 4.0f |
| 16:44.35 | bigdog_ut | openldap rocks |
| 16:44.36 | beandog | fungus: thats not bad |
| 16:44.49 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: and NFS+ sucks, I think we can all agree on those. |
| 16:45.01 | bigdog_ut | yeah...kerberos is nice though |
| 16:45.03 | beandog | Whats NFS+? |
| 16:45.09 | bigdog_ut | ~smack beandog |
| 16:45.11 | jbot | ACTION smacks beandog upside the head. |
| 16:45.13 | dataw0lf|w | ~cluebat beandog |
| 16:45.14 | jbot | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps beandog. |
| 16:45.29 | beandog | Hey, Im a php programmer first and foremost... go easy on me :C |
| 16:45.34 | dataw0lf|w | that's the problem with Gentoo users, they ain't got the old school stylistics. |
| 16:45.37 | fungus | beandog, but it helps that I have setup very many of them, and my environment is all freebsd. |
| 16:46.10 | beandog | fungus: yah, experience is obviously gonna add something to the mix. |
| 16:46.37 | beandog | I need something to be PDC and router. If I knew how to setup FreeBSD, I'd probably go with that. |
| 16:46.41 | beandog | Just havent played with it yet. |
| 16:46.53 | dataw0lf|w | nfs/nis is the worst thing ever invented, imho. |
| 16:47.04 | dataw0lf|w | beandog: nah, use Debian. |
| 16:47.09 | dataw0lf|w | ~debian++ |
| 16:47.10 | beandog | You mean NFS as in network file sharing? |
| 16:47.14 | beandog | er, the uh |
| 16:47.15 | beandog | what is it. |
| 16:47.25 | beandog | that network filesystem |
| 16:47.26 | dataw0lf|w | I meant nfs/nis combo actually. |
| 16:47.41 | dataw0lf|w | but my mind isn't working today. |
| 16:48.01 | beandog | I know what NFS is, I thought you were talking about something else. |
| 16:48.04 | dataw0lf|w | it's that damn drink fungus turned me on to last night. |
| 16:48.06 | fungus | dataw0lf|w, what do you use for auth centralization? ldap? |
| 16:48.15 | dataw0lf|w | fungus: ldap/nis |
| 16:48.48 | dataw0lf|w | beandog: I was saying NFS instead of NIS, because I'm stupid. |
| 16:48.55 | beandog | oh |
| 16:48.59 | fungus | pam_ldap? nss_ldap? is it pretty workable? |
| 16:49.28 | dataw0lf|w | works very well, we use pam_ldap/nss_ldap modules, yes. |
| 16:49.46 | dataw0lf|w | as soon as I can somehow get this mouse driver to work on Tru64 5.0, we'll use ldap exclusively. |
| 16:49.51 | beandog | So whats the diff between Samba as a PDC and LDAP? I thought they were the same thing |
| 16:50.08 | bigdog_ut | nope |
| 16:50.20 | dataw0lf|w | I use samba as a pdc. |
| 16:50.23 | fungus | Samba can use LDAP as a backend for data storage, LDAP != samba pdc. |
| 16:50.26 | dataw0lf|w | and use ldap to authenticate users. |
| 16:50.28 | beandog | dataw0lf|w: really, how does it work? |
| 16:50.45 | dataw0lf|w | beandog: you add your list of users to ldap, and authenticate through that. |
| 16:50.49 | bigdog_ut | pdc is a windows thing |
| 16:50.53 | bigdog_ut | ldap is not |
| 16:50.56 | beandog | Hmm. |
| 16:51.04 | beandog | Well all I know is I wanna rip out as many windows boxes as I can. :) |
| 16:51.08 | dataw0lf|w | beandog: all my users are transparent over every platform we have here. |
| 16:51.14 | beandog | Our main gateway is a win2k box |
| 16:51.15 | dataw0lf|w | meaning, they all authenticate the same way. |
| 16:51.19 | bigdog_ut | but things like ad and exchange use a ms version of ldap protocol |
| 16:51.42 | beandog | bigdog_ut: okay, thats what I thought -- has to do with their 'customzied' kerberos authentication, doesnt it? |
| 16:51.57 | bigdog_ut | no kerberos is entirely different |
| 16:51.58 | dataw0lf|w | so, when my graphical designer is on a Tru64 machine and a W2k machine on his kvm, he's logged in with the same user/pass authentication. |
| 16:52.07 | beandog | So could I use openldap as a single sign on, even for all the windows boxes? |
| 16:52.21 | dataw0lf|w | that's what I'm telling yah here, bro, yes, you can. |
| 16:52.23 | fungus | yes, but you still need samba too. |
| 16:52.36 | dataw0lf|w | Samba acts as the PDC, and you do authentication through LDAP. |
| 16:52.37 | bigdog_ut | you would use samba and openldap to do that |
| 16:52.46 | fungus | plain ldap for everything, but windows. and samba/ldap for windows. |
| 16:52.47 | bigdog_ut | replacing ad or your windows domain |
| 16:53.23 | beandog | Ok |
| 16:53.30 | beandog | All these different terms are confusing. |
| 16:53.44 | bigdog_ut | make sure to attend the next meeting |
| 16:53.56 | dataw0lf|w | me and bigdog_ut, and mayhap tierra, will be presenting on such things. |
| 16:54.01 | beandog | really? sweet. |
| 16:54.05 | beandog | thats what I need, a shot in the arm |
| 16:54.31 | fungus | you'll cover ldap stuff for unix?? |
| 16:54.32 | bigdog_ut | it should be good |
| 16:54.44 | bigdog_ut | perhaps we can add that into the mix |
| 16:54.57 | dataw0lf|w | we might do a brief interlude over authentication. |
| 16:55.03 | fungus | sweet. I am really itching to switch. |
| 16:55.04 | bigdog_ut | i use to do single-sign-on solutions with php and exchange at one job |
| 16:55.38 | bigdog_ut | that utilized ldap underneath and when they moved to openldap it was great |
| 16:55.53 | dataw0lf|w | it's really rocking. |
| 16:56.00 | dataw0lf|w | except for when you forget your root dn password... |
| 16:56.05 | dataw0lf|w | like I did earlier this week. |
| 16:56.09 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 16:56.23 | dataw0lf|w | I just set it to plain text so I could add stuff, I still haven't figured it out. |
| 16:56.33 | dataw0lf|w | (the SHA password) |
| 16:56.44 | beandog | macnewbold: do you use PEAR::DB with mssql? |
| 16:57.01 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: I have 20 root passwords that I have to remember for just work. |
| 16:57.06 | dataw0lf|w | hmm.. maybe more. |
| 16:57.11 | macnewbold | beandog: not yet... just the mssql functions in php |
| 16:57.26 | beandog | dataw0lf|w: I prefer blank root passwords. Nobody would ever guess that! ;) |
| 16:57.28 | fungus | right now I rdist passwd files around, and then sync that with ldap for exclusive use on samba. |
| 16:57.38 | beandog | macnewbold: I wonder if this would work ..http://pear.php.net/manual/en/package.database.db.db-common.limitquery.php |
| 16:58.02 | dataw0lf|w | I prefer 13 char + root passwords that look like : 3#%*3dk!)ss@^rt |
| 16:58.39 | beandog | the native mssql functions for php are not too bad though |
| 16:59.18 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w, that is funny |
| 16:59.22 | macnewbold | yeah, they're just like the mysql ones :) |
| 16:59.33 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: why? |
| 16:59.36 | beandog | really? |
| 16:59.50 | bigdog_ut | cause i have over 120 passwords for all our machines that i have to remember |
| 17:00.20 | bigdog_ut | oracle app servers have like 8 users per installation that you have to have passwords for |
| 17:00.39 | bigdog_ut | so alot of the time i have man users using the same one on a box |
| 17:00.56 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: oh, I didn't count the database passwords and normal user passwords I have to remember. |
| 17:01.02 | dataw0lf|w | but it isn't anywhere near 120, that's for sure. |
| 17:01.25 | bigdog_ut | yeah i have not included any users or db stuff...taht is just oracle and ibm crap i have to remember |
| 17:01.57 | bigdog_ut | however, i dont have individual passwords for each |
| 17:02.11 | drip | good thing he writes them down and puts them under his keyboard |
| 17:02.11 | bigdog_ut | they are grouped and each groups of like 8-10 have the same one |
| 17:02.15 | drip | nobody would ever guess that. |
| 17:02.17 | drip | lol |
| 17:02.19 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 17:02.54 | bigdog_ut | changing is a beast at times though |
| 17:03.48 | bigdog_ut | or when other admins change them on me |
| 17:04.47 | bigdog_ut | or when drip whacks my systems |
| 17:05.30 | bigdog_ut | this help system really sucks |
| 17:05.37 | bigdog_ut | can i just say that here! |
| 17:05.38 | fungus | we just share a pgp encrypted text file listing all the passwords. It works well. |
| 17:05.51 | bigdog_ut | wow..that is nice idea |
| 17:06.26 | dataw0lf|w | that it is. |
| 17:06.46 | bigdog_ut | we are going to implement biometrics scanners |
| 17:06.52 | beandog | wow |
| 17:06.53 | beandog | hey macnewbold |
| 17:06.55 | beandog | that actually worked |
| 17:07.01 | bigdog_ut | you stick your a** right on the machine |
| 17:07.03 | beandog | They must have fixed it ... a few months ago it was broken |
| 17:07.19 | beandog | $res = $mssql->limitQuery('SELECT * FROM so', 0, 5); |
| 17:07.26 | beandog | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.26 | beandog | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.28 | beandog | } |
| 17:07.47 | bigdog_ut | drip, goes to town on the scanners |
| 17:07.56 | beandog | Theres your answer to LIMIT queries |
| 17:08.02 | dataw0lf|w | picz PLZ!!!!1ONE!1 |
| 17:08.20 | drip | lol bigdog_ut |
| 17:08.21 | macnewbold | beandog: yeah, that's the kind of function we had in mind if we were going to do one |
| 17:08.32 | beandog | I wonder if OFFSET will work with it... |
| 17:08.55 | beandog | I think its pulling EVERYTHING and then dumping the ones you want, since the query is taking some time. |
| 17:09.03 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w here is mine -> www.naturalbiohealth.com/ images/butts2.jpg |
| 17:09.21 | beandog | Hey the offset works! |
| 17:09.22 | beandog | rock!!! |
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| 17:09.27 | beandog | This is gonna change half my code :D |
| 17:09.33 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: HAWT! |
| 17:09.51 | synic | this thread on the mailing list is a perfect example of why embedding php in html is extra lame. |
| 17:10.14 | bigdog_ut | i smell kaas |
| 17:10.22 | synic | brb |
| 17:11.22 | dataw0lf|w | hory crap, synic, you're right. |
| 17:11.28 | dataw0lf|w | That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. |
| 17:19.50 | dataw0lf|w | ah, I missed the isset() problem though. God, save me from PHP... |
| 17:22.01 | fungus | i dislike isset() for that very reason. But I do dislike python strictness of accessing a dictionary element that doesn't exist. |
| 17:25.20 | dataw0lf|w | it all starts to make sense, I assure you. |
| 17:25.53 | bigdog_ut | time for lunch drip |
| 17:26.08 | drip | was just thinking the same thing |
| 17:26.08 | bigdog_ut | open up and say oh.... |
| 17:26.30 | bigdog_ut | is that a cleveland steamer? |
| 17:26.34 | dataw0lf|w | rol |
| 17:26.39 | drip | lol |
| 17:26.56 | bigdog_ut | let me deploy this help and we can go |
| 17:26.59 | drip | right on the chest |
| 17:27.05 | drip | ok |
| 17:27.06 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 17:29.20 | bigdog_ut | deploying jsps suck |
| 17:30.36 | drip | your attention please: please yell if you're paying attention. |
| 17:32.56 | dataw0lf|w | Man, that code was really, really ugly man. |
| 17:33.08 | dataw0lf|w | I think my brain is leaking out my ears. |
| 17:33.09 | bigdog_ut | sorry |
| 17:33.52 | dataw0lf|w | That could be from my mp3 player being turned up all the way on this song, though. |
| 17:34.32 | drip | did that deploy yet? |
| 17:35.00 | bigdog_ut | almost |
| 17:35.15 | bigdog_ut | but im ready too go now |
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| 17:36.02 | dataw0lf|w | woohoo for X crashing! |
| 17:41.24 | mindjuju | yet another good reason to not have cats |
| 17:41.24 | mindjuju | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/japan_cat_fire_dc;_ylt=A9FJqZVU0KlCxy0AHw.s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2bm5xNHVjBHNlYwNtcA-- |
| 17:43.35 | fungus | That isn't the cat's fault. It is the owner's for not training properly. I am just glad they lived. |
| 17:44.31 | dataw0lf|w | Those cats would be gone quicker than you could say 'weighted sack in deep water' if I was the owner. |
| 17:45.20 | mindjuju | i'm a dog fan myself. not much for cats |
| 17:46.08 | dataw0lf|w | I'm only a fan of panthers. |
| 17:46.11 | mindjuju | thinking about getting a basset hound for the house, nice sturdy dog that my 2 year old can play with but won't break like a small yappie dog |
| 17:46.12 | dataw0lf|w | that's the only pet I want. |
| 17:46.24 | macnewbold | we've got a dog (outdoor only) and chickens |
| 17:46.28 | mindjuju | a panther could be nice, or mountain lion |
| 17:46.44 | dataw0lf|w | I want a black panther (ala leopard) |
| 17:46.46 | mindjuju | well, heck, you could always go for a falcon or hawk |
| 17:46.57 | dataw0lf|w | which is why I'm planning on getting a degree in Zoology. |
| 17:47.05 | dataw0lf|w | just so I can have a black panther. |
| 17:47.09 | dataw0lf|w | I don't really care about animals. |
| 17:47.12 | dataw0lf|w | except for panthers. |
| 17:47.23 | macnewbold | would a zoology degree be good for that, or a vetrinary degree? |
| 17:47.25 | mindjuju | what about ligers? |
| 17:47.32 | mindjuju | tigons? |
| 17:47.38 | dataw0lf|w | now, a liger would be pretty win too. |
| 17:47.44 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: depends on what you were focusing on. |
| 17:47.50 | macnewbold | that'd be cool, cause then you could be a veterinarian and a veteran at the same time |
| 17:48.15 | dataw0lf|w | the cool part comes in when people trespass on my property and I haven't fed my panther in a while. |
| 17:48.28 | dataw0lf|w | or when punks come around with rottweilers. |
| 17:48.28 | macnewbold | of course, to get a liger, you've got to have a lion and a tiger, and have them make all friendly and such |
| 17:48.38 | mindjuju | have ya'll seen the extra footage on Napoleon Dynamite where he calls the zoo to see if they have a liger |
| 17:48.53 | dataw0lf|w | negative. |
| 17:48.55 | macnewbold | does it matter if the liger's mother is a lion or a tiger? |
| 17:49.01 | mindjuju | yes it does |
| 17:49.02 | macnewbold | mindjuju: have a link? |
| 17:49.12 | mindjuju | ant that is part of the nap extra footage |
| 17:49.15 | mindjuju | it's on the dvd |
| 17:49.20 | mindjuju | i don't have it recorded anywhere |
| 17:49.24 | fungus | http://www.kittypee.com/gallery/misc2004 |
| 17:50.04 | macnewbold | so what's the difference about which species is the liger's mother? |
| 17:50.39 | dataw0lf|w | probably the difference between a tigon and a liger. |
| 17:50.45 | macnewbold | gm |
| 17:50.46 | macnewbold | hm |
| 17:50.53 | dataw0lf|w | I'm guessing. |
| 17:51.04 | mindjuju | The product of crossbreeding between a male lion and a female tiger, having features of both but generally being larger than either. |
| 17:51.09 | mindjuju | that is liger |
| 17:51.14 | mindjuju | tigon is opposite |
| 17:51.48 | dataw0lf|w | jep. |
| 17:51.50 | mindjuju | hobo zoo in slc has a liger |
| 17:51.54 | dataw0lf|w | http://www.greenapple.com/~jorp/amzanim/cross02a.htm |
| 17:52.09 | dataw0lf|w | tigons are apparently much more rare. |
| 17:52.38 | mindjuju | that pic of the liger is huge at the bottom |
| 17:52.44 | macnewbold | mindjuju: had a liger - named shasta |
| 17:52.44 | mindjuju | that's like 12 feet long |
| 17:52.46 | macnewbold | been dead for years |
| 17:53.25 | dataw0lf|w | hmm, maybe I do want a liger instead. |
| 17:53.29 | dataw0lf|w | those things look rough. |
| 17:53.37 | dataw0lf|w | hm. |
| 17:53.42 | dataw0lf|w | wonder if they have some black ligers. |
| 17:53.57 | dataw0lf|w | oh well if they don't, I'll just stick with a black panther. |
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| 18:07.03 | macnewbold | did you see the other crosses on that site? they've got some crosses involving jaguars, panthers, leopards, etc. that look pretty cool too. |
| 18:16.16 | mindjuju | i didn't notice those pages |
| 18:16.32 | mindjuju | i always thought a mule wasn't as smart as a horse |
| 18:16.36 | mindjuju | but this webpage says otherwise |
| 18:19.39 | macnewbold | they're a lot more stubborn, that's for sure |
| 18:20.56 | mindjuju | too bad they don't have a picture of a jackolope |
| 18:24.32 | bigdog_ut | ps3 to have hdd w/ linux |
| 18:24.35 | bigdog_ut | ~slashdot |
| 18:25.31 | bigdog_ut | debian upgrade..oh |
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| 18:37.54 | drewbono | morning y'all |
| 18:37.58 | drewbono | I've got a question for you. |
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| 18:39.19 | drewbono | What's the easiest way to install php on a windows box just for test purposes? |
| 18:39.43 | bigdog_ut | drewbono, do you want it in a webserver? |
| 18:40.05 | bigdog_ut | just download the windows installer and use iis if you need a webserver |
| 18:40.17 | drewbono | is iis built in to all versions of windows? |
| 18:40.25 | mindjuju | no |
| 18:40.31 | mindjuju | xp pro |
| 18:40.34 | mindjuju | 2000 |
| 18:40.38 | mindjuju | 2003 |
| 18:40.43 | mindjuju | not xp home |
| 18:40.51 | mindjuju | 98 has pws |
| 18:40.51 | drewbono | mindjuju: thanks |
| 18:40.55 | mindjuju | here is link |
| 18:40.55 | mindjuju | http://us4.php.net/get/php-5.0.4-installer.exe/from/a/mirror |
| 18:40.56 | *** join/#uphpu eco (identd@c-24-10-128-63.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 18:41.14 | mindjuju | which operating system do you have? |
| 18:41.19 | drewbono | so if he has xp home...? |
| 18:41.21 | macnewbold | FreeBSD! |
| 18:41.22 | macnewbold | :) |
| 18:41.30 | mindjuju | nope, xp home doesnt |
| 18:41.31 | drewbono | It's for my brother...and I'm not sure what he has. |
| 18:41.34 | drewbono | macnewbold: lol |
| 18:41.37 | mindjuju | but he can get a web server like apache |
| 18:41.40 | mindjuju | then he's good to go |
| 18:41.50 | mindjuju | there are some other web servers you can get for windows |
| 18:41.52 | drewbono | is there an easy win32 installer for apache? |
| 18:42.05 | mindjuju | actually, if i'm not mistaken there is a whole package |
| 18:42.09 | mindjuju | with php, apache, mysql |
| 18:42.11 | mindjuju | off an install |
| 18:42.14 | bigdog_ut | there is an installer out there for windows that has mysql, apache and php all together |
| 18:42.18 | mindjuju | don't remember where i saw it though |
| 18:42.27 | mindjuju | yeah, where is it bigdog? |
| 18:42.33 | mindjuju | i saw it once long time ago |
| 18:42.37 | mindjuju | seems like maybe sourcefoge |
| 18:42.41 | bigdog_ut | y |
| 18:42.55 | drewbono | me /searches |
| 18:42.59 | drewbono | :-) |
| 18:43.10 | mindjuju | http://sourceforge.net/projects/phptriad/ |
| 18:43.14 | bigdog_ut | its php triad |
| 18:43.14 | mindjuju | ha i'm first! |
| 18:43.18 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 18:43.19 | mindjuju | bet ya! |
| 18:43.28 | mindjuju | ~tagteam bigdog_ut |
| 18:43.29 | jbot | ACTION climbs to the top rope of the ring and launches himself at bigdog_ut! mindjuju slams bigdog_ut with a folding chair! bigdog_ut is down for the count! |
| 18:43.36 | dataw0lf|w | there's more than phptriad. |
| 18:44.00 | mindjuju | drew, i've never used triad, so not sure how good |
| 18:44.07 | bigdog_ut | same here |
| 18:44.13 | bigdog_ut | but i have heard it is okay |
| 18:44.13 | mindjuju | i've only used php with IIS |
| 18:44.55 | drewbono | any other suggestions before I recommend phptriad to my bro? |
| 18:45.07 | dataw0lf|w | install Linux. |
| 18:45.14 | mindjuju | dual boot linux |
| 18:45.18 | mindjuju | if you want php |
| 18:45.39 | bigdog_ut | get a knoppix cd with php, apache and mysql |
| 18:45.50 | mindjuju | dag! i've been outdown! |
| 18:46.00 | dataw0lf|w | install Linux. |
| 18:46.01 | mindjuju | outdone by bigdog |
| 18:46.04 | bigdog_ut | or any live cd |
| 18:46.10 | dataw0lf|w | install Linux. |
| 18:46.14 | mindjuju | well, is it production server or just to fart around with |
| 18:46.17 | macnewbold | even with apache, php and mysql, your reliability and uptime and performance will be limited by the underlying OS :) |
| 18:46.34 | macnewbold | plus some php things aren't built with windows pathnames in mind |
| 18:46.39 | drewbono | it's his home machine to fart around with learning php |
| 18:46.43 | macnewbold | so you'll run into weird stuff that way |
| 18:46.46 | bigdog_ut | knoppix cd to learn on |
| 18:46.49 | dataw0lf|w | install Linux. |
| 18:46.53 | drewbono | macnewbold: that's true |
| 18:46.55 | mindjuju | ah, dual boot is my vote |
| 18:46.55 | macnewbold | better to learn on linux than windows :) |
| 18:46.59 | drewbono | I'm liking the live CD option. |
| 18:47.00 | bigdog_ut | install tru64 |
| 18:47.02 | mindjuju | cause he gets windows and can switchover |
| 18:47.08 | bigdog_ut | install oxs |
| 18:47.09 | dataw0lf|w | ~lart bigdog_ut |
| 18:47.11 | dataw0lf|w | Install Linux |
| 18:47.19 | macnewbold | dual boot? pshah... _install_ *nix |
| 18:47.20 | bigdog_ut | install os/2 |
| 18:47.29 | dataw0lf|w | ~lart bigdog_ut |
| 18:47.30 | macnewbold | ~slap bigdog_ut and his os/2 to the moon |
| 18:47.31 | jbot | ACTION slaps bigdog_ut and his os/2 to the moon, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 18:47.31 | mindjuju | nah, no on install linux, cause the dude probably has games |
| 18:47.31 | drewbono | lol |
| 18:47.36 | drewbono | You guys are making me laugh. |
| 18:47.42 | dataw0lf|w | Install Linux |
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| 18:47.48 | macnewbold | it's a regular three stooges event in here |
| 18:47.52 | mindjuju | ~nosepick datawolf |
| 18:47.53 | jbot | ACTION plucks datawolf out of the nose of humanity and flicks him out the window! |
| 18:47.58 | bigdog_ut | install lfs |
| 18:48.01 | macnewbold | ~nyuk mindjuju |
| 18:48.02 | jbot | ACTION grabs mindjuju nose and hammers it with his other hand! |
| 18:48.10 | mindjuju | ~frenchtaunt macnewbold |
| 18:48.11 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! macnewbold, I burst my pimples at you... |
| 18:48.24 | dataw0lf|w | HAAIIIII YAH! |
| 18:48.30 | mindjuju | ~boothead datawolf |
| 18:48.31 | jbot | ACTION calls the mighty tae-kwon-leep master! datawolf, boot to the head! |
| 18:48.41 | mindjuju | can't beat the tae kwon leep master |
| 18:48.46 | dataw0lf|w | Sure I can. |
| 18:48.51 | drewbono | So with linux live CD's, can you store settings, and if so, where is it all stored to? |
| 18:49.09 | mindjuju | yeah! the guy wants to program and save work |
| 18:49.14 | dataw0lf|w | drewbono: you can store it into RAM, or, alternatively, partition the hard drive to have an ext3 partition. |
| 18:49.15 | mindjuju | can't do that on a little knoppix cd |
| 18:49.32 | mindjuju | you probably can, i just don't know how |
| 18:49.47 | mindjuju | i tried it out a couple of times years ago |
| 18:49.51 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, you can. |
| 18:49.57 | mindjuju | ~zombify datawolf |
| 18:49.58 | jbot | ACTION summons Bill Gates who materializes in front of datawolf and using a Windows 3.11 diskette zombifiez datawolf! datawolf wonders off in a daze slobering |
| 18:50.09 | macnewbold | ~msdos mindjuju |
| 18:50.13 | macnewbold | ~msdos |
| 18:50.16 | jbot | methinks msdos is MicroSoft Disk Operating System. MSDOS is the owner of Windows operating system. Without MSDOS Windows whore can not live, or ask me about 'msdos source' |
| 18:50.20 | mindjuju | ha deflected! |
| 18:50.24 | macnewbold | ~msdos source |
| 18:50.25 | jbot | hmm... msdos source is at ftp://ftp.leguin.org.uk/pub/source/ |
| 18:50.25 | mindjuju | ~toejam macnewbold |
| 18:50.26 | jbot | ACTION wipes all the crud and macnewbold from out between his toes. Yuck! |
| 18:50.33 | bigdog_ut | drewbono, or you can get a memory stick and store it there |
| 18:50.42 | macnewbold | ~terminate mindjuju |
| 18:50.50 | macnewbold | ~pulverize mindjuju |
| 18:50.51 | mindjuju | k, here comes the real big dog |
| 18:50.53 | dataw0lf|w | jes, you can do the mass-storage problem solver. |
| 18:50.53 | macnewbold | ~kill mindjuju |
| 18:50.54 | jbot | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized anti-tachyon gun at mindjuju |
| 18:50.55 | mindjuju | ~oreilly macnewbold |
| 18:50.57 | jbot | ACTION releases bill o'reilly from his basement cell! Sic 'em boy! macnewbold is left in tatters... |
| 18:51.13 | dataw0lf|w | ~karma dataw0lf |
| 18:51.13 | jbot | dataw0lf has karma of 1 |
| 18:51.16 | drewbono | bigdog_ut: are there instructions somewhere on how to do that with the memory stick? |
| 18:51.21 | macnewbold | ~spell committment |
| 18:51.32 | dataw0lf|w | drewbono: just mount the usb stick |
| 18:51.47 | bigdog_ut | drewbono, there might be some somewhere...i know that mandrake sells a package that is nice...livecd memory stick and it works |
| 18:52.06 | bigdog_ut | to learn on that might be good |
| 18:52.14 | bigdog_ut | then he can install linux later |
| 18:52.23 | drewbono | bigdog_ut: good idea--he's a total n00b |
| 18:52.25 | mindjuju | seems like i read somewheres that you can get linux on an external hdd over usb 2 that works great |
| 18:53.21 | mindjuju | k, i gots to get back to work, but I saw dual boot cause mandrake has this sauve installer that is made for windows that practically drives it self |
| 18:53.33 | mindjuju | it's easy to install and let's you live both OSs until your ready for linux |
| 18:53.59 | dataw0lf|w | I don't see how that'd be a problem as long as your BIOS supported booting off of a usb hard drive. |
| 18:54.31 | dataw0lf|w | or if the Linux installer recognizes the usb hard drive for writing to the mbr and partitioning |
| 18:54.40 | dataw0lf|w | never done it before. |
| 18:55.20 | dataw0lf|w | I've used a third party script that installed a bootable linux on an mp3 player before, I'm sure it's similar to what doing that. |
| 18:55.34 | dataw0lf|w | s/what// |
| 18:58.14 | dataw0lf|w | seems like alot of work though when you could just install Linux and be a better person. :) |
| 18:58.18 | mindjuju | boot linux over USB |
| 18:58.19 | mindjuju | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2850840818.html |
| 18:58.54 | mindjuju | sadly can't find what i was really looking for, cause i saw one that I thought had fedora |
| 18:59.00 | mindjuju | and it was all preinstalled and everything |
| 18:59.11 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, but you don't want to hurt the poor guy. |
| 18:59.14 | dataw0lf|w | with fedora. |
| 19:00.30 | jsmith-lunch | mmmmhn mmnnhhmmmnnngnnnamggg mnannammmggg |
| 19:04.30 | jsmith | dataw0lf|w: I'll ignore the Fedora comments, since you believe in pgsql |
| 19:06.24 | dataw0lf|w | if only your intelligent choices translated to distros too... |
| 19:06.25 | dataw0lf|w | :) |
| 19:07.49 | bigdog_ut | jsmith, you a fedora man? |
| 19:08.33 | dataw0lf|w | RH man. |
| 19:08.43 | bigdog_ut | oh crap |
| 19:09.05 | dataw0lf|w | I'm getting my RHCE this month, so then I'll be able to argue against it even easier. |
| 19:09.30 | tierra | you traitor |
| 19:10.06 | bigdog_ut | traitor |
| 19:11.04 | dataw0lf|w | traitor? |
| 19:11.15 | dataw0lf|w | it's called 'free certification' |
| 19:11.51 | dataw0lf|w | Tru64 SE and RHCE certed, that's what I'm talking bout. |
| 19:12.00 | bigdog_ut | oh yeah |
| 19:12.17 | jsmith | dataw0lf|w: I'm a RH guy *FOR CERTAIN SITUATIONS*, which is a big difference than being an RH bigot. |
| 19:12.26 | jsmith | (At least in my king-sized opinion) |
| 19:12.31 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 19:14.40 | dataw0lf|w | hey, I agree, I'm a RH guy in certain situations too. |
| 19:14.54 | dataw0lf|w | namely, when I need something to throw at somebody, I will pick a RH cd over a Debian cd. |
| 19:15.30 | *** join/#uphpu beandog (~sdibb@64.50.56.200) |
| 19:15.40 | dataw0lf|w | tierra: when you getting off work today? |
| 19:18.37 | tierra | umm... probably not until 9:00 |
| 19:19.31 | macnewbold | ew,yuck |
| 19:19.33 | bigdog_ut | man eclipse rocks |
| 19:19.47 | dataw0lf|w | eclipse is terrible. |
| 19:20.05 | bigdog_ut | love the ability to see all changes in the editor that a string replace did |
| 19:21.03 | bigdog_ut | i love local revision history too...with cvs revision history |
| 19:21.26 | tierra | I liked eclipse for the number of source editing shortcuts it had... right click on a member variable, automatically generate getter/setter functions, etc... |
| 19:21.34 | beandog | is ecplise the one with the butt ugly interface? |
| 19:21.39 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 19:21.41 | dataw0lf|w | beandog: yup. |
| 19:21.41 | macnewbold | lol |
| 19:21.44 | macnewbold | rofl |
| 19:21.44 | bigdog_ut | no that is zend |
| 19:21.45 | dataw0lf|w | that'd be the one. |
| 19:21.55 | macnewbold | ~point bigdog_ut |
| 19:22.14 | bigdog_ut | eclipse uses your standard gnome or kde or windows or oxs |
| 19:22.21 | macnewbold | ~point $1 is <action> points at $1 with snickers and giggles |
| 19:22.22 | jbot | macnewbold: okay |
| 19:22.23 | dataw0lf|w | it's stupid. |
| 19:22.27 | macnewbold | ~point bigdog_ut |
| 19:22.28 | jbot | ACTION points at bigdog_ut with snickers and giggles |
| 19:22.33 | dataw0lf|w | eclipse is the worst thing evar. |
| 19:22.38 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 19:22.46 | macnewbold | them's fightin' words, dataw0lf |
| 19:22.51 | dataw0lf|w | I know, I gots my dukes up. |
| 19:24.14 | macnewbold | ~boothead eclipse |
| 19:24.15 | jbot | ACTION calls the mighty tae-kwon-leep master! eclipse, boot to the head! |
| 19:24.46 | dataw0lf|w | I'd rather echo code into files from the command line than use eclipse. |
| 19:24.51 | beandog | lol |
| 19:26.16 | bigdog_ut | followed by a Knee of the Haunted Brides to his you know what |
| 19:26.41 | dataw0lf|w | hahaha! |
| 19:26.45 | dataw0lf|w | even emacs is better than eclipse! |
| 19:30.01 | macnewbold | lol |
| 19:34.09 | bigdog_ut | bad grasshopper |
| 19:40.47 | jsmith | Well, I'm starting to like Eclipse myself -- too bad it's so slow though. |
| 19:41.28 | bigdog_ut | jsmith...have you passed any memory to the startup |
| 19:42.43 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Haven't tried -- honestly, I haven't had any time to really try to solve that problem... I've only fired it up and played around for a few minutes. |
| 19:42.53 | bigdog_ut | fire it up with this: |
| 19:43.20 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: FWIW, I"m using a development version of the natively-compiled stuff, so it could be totally off-kilter anyway... |
| 19:43.40 | bigdog_ut | perhaps...native on rh? |
| 19:44.11 | bigdog_ut | if you use a java one you can do this: eclipse -vmars -server -Xms512M -Xmx512M |
| 19:44.20 | bigdog_ut | that will give some memory too it |
| 19:44.29 | mindjuju | fungus! |
| 19:44.34 | mindjuju | what is the ascii for a bullet? |
| 19:44.45 | bigdog_ut | &bullet |
| 19:44.48 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 19:44.53 | mindjuju | your kidding |
| 19:45.17 | dataw0lf|w | heh |
| 19:45.20 | dataw0lf|w | it's 149 |
| 19:45.35 | dataw0lf|w | • |
| 19:46.04 | mindjuju | awesome! thnx |
| 19:46.07 | dataw0lf|w | np |
| 19:47.42 | bigdog_ut | • |
| 19:48.19 | dataw0lf|w | &#urst00pid; |
| 19:48.29 | bigdog_ut | try it |
| 19:50.02 | dataw0lf|w | and try 149 |
| 19:50.41 | dataw0lf|w | it's the same thing. |
| 19:50.50 | dataw0lf|w | once you get to 256 characters, it just loops over itself. |
| 19:50.55 | dataw0lf|w | divide 8226 by 149 |
| 19:51.08 | bigdog_ut | eyah i know that is why i said it |
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| 20:16.52 | Davi1 | Man, dataw0lf and fungus got smashed last night! |
| 20:19.08 | dataw0lf|w | I wasn't smashed, gimme a break. |
| 20:20.21 | bigdog_ut | he was only 2 sheets to the wind |
| 20:20.43 | Davi1 | I wasjust kidding with you |
| 20:20.50 | dataw0lf|w | I know. |
| 20:20.59 | dataw0lf|w | I'm just even more caustic on the internets. |
| 20:26.59 | bigdog_ut | ~slap dataw0lf|w |
| 20:27.00 | jbot | ACTION slaps dataw0lf|w, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 20:33.06 | *** join/#uphpu jbot (ibot@apt.bot.TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 20:33.06 | *** topic/#uphpu is Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 21:00.29 | mindjuju | wow |
| 21:00.30 | mindjuju | http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20050610/cm_thenation/73142;_ylt=Agj4hrUMj6g29SLTqvXQL8n8B2YD;_ylu=X3oDMTBhdm4xamI3BHNlYwNjaWQ3NDI- |
| 21:00.33 | dataw0lf|w | <3 |
| 21:01.08 | mindjuju | 40 hr week at $5.15 is only $206 |
| 21:01.57 | *** join/#uphpu jsmith_ (~jsmith@64.50.35.114.2O7.net) |
| 21:02.00 | mindjuju | $824 a month before taxes - that's not even enough for a house payment |
| 21:02.08 | bigdog_ut | nope |
| 21:03.45 | dataw0lf|w | good thing I make alot more than that then. |
| 21:03.47 | dataw0lf|w | ~dataw0lf++ |
| 21:04.50 | dataw0lf|w | lies! |
| 21:05.05 | mindjuju | yeah, the other day you said you were making bank |
| 21:05.43 | bigdog_ut | yeah...i make $5.16/hr + $60.84/hr (for good looks) |
| 21:06.06 | bigdog_ut | or friendship dues |
| 21:06.14 | dataw0lf|w | way more than me *sniff* |
| 21:06.26 | dataw0lf|w | but I think I'm averaging about 33.00 / hour right now. |
| 21:06.33 | dataw0lf|w | Not counting consulting. |
| 21:06.37 | bigdog_ut | the friendship dues is the money maker |
| 21:06.44 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w, correct |
| 21:07.06 | dataw0lf|w | My whole paycheck is derived from my good looks, I know naught. |
| 21:07.13 | mindjuju | hate to brag, but i have a web page about my wage |
| 21:07.14 | mindjuju | http://www.forbes.com/finance/lists/10/2004/LIR.jhtml?passListId=10&passYear=2004&passListType=Person&uniqueId=BH69&datatype=Person |
| 21:07.25 | mindjuju | they got my name wrong on it though |
| 21:07.31 | mindjuju | i'm having them fix it as we speak |
| 21:07.33 | bigdog_ut | back in the hay-day with contracting i was making 10k/m |
| 21:08.10 | mindjuju | but the net worth amount is correctly stated |
| 21:08.14 | dataw0lf|w | contracts are a good way for the extra bank. |
| 21:08.38 | bigdog_ut | yeah for the wife's toys...am i right? |
| 21:08.40 | dataw0lf|w | I'd make alot more if there were as many Python contracts as there were PHP contracts. |
| 21:08.49 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 21:09.25 | dataw0lf|w | halve my development time (thus doubling the contracts I could take on) |
| 21:09.32 | dataw0lf|w | and much more enjoyable. |
| 21:18.56 | bigdog_ut | how many we got in here now |
| 21:19.00 | bigdog_ut | wow 22 |
| 21:19.13 | bigdog_ut | so that means with all the dups we have like 12 |
| 21:19.40 | bigdog_ut | my ba...17 cool |
| 21:21.45 | macnewbold | so is Davi1 our friend David Boucha? |
| 21:22.06 | bigdog_ut | ~wake Davi1 |
| 21:22.07 | jbot | Davi1: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 21:26.00 | dataw0lf|w | yes? |
| 21:26.06 | dataw0lf|w | Oh, you said 'Davil', not 'Devil' |
| 21:26.08 | dataw0lf|w | my bad. |
| 21:28.31 | bigdog_ut | ou eclipse...how i love thee |
| 21:28.52 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w, i will have to show you some killer features |
| 21:32.19 | Davi1 | Yeah, David Boucha |
| 21:32.27 | Davi1 | Sorry, I was working |
| 21:32.36 | bigdog_ut | welcome |
| 21:32.41 | bigdog_ut | ~welcome Davi1 |
| 21:32.42 | jbot | Howdy Davi1 | It is good to see you Davi1 | Davi1, Sup yo? |
| 21:33.02 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: I'll give yah the chance, but don't get your hopes up. |
| 21:33.09 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 21:33.57 | Davi1 | So how's everyone doing? Hard at work, huh? |
| 21:33.58 | Davi1 | :) |
| 21:34.07 | bigdog_ut | no doubt |
| 21:34.14 | bigdog_ut | debuggin jsp crap |
| 21:34.23 | mindjuju | well, i am. bigdog is kinda yappy today though |
| 21:34.33 | dataw0lf|w | work? |
| 21:34.36 | dataw0lf|w | what's that? |
| 21:34.38 | bigdog_ut | cause i have tons of free time |
| 21:34.41 | dataw0lf|w | I just sit around larting. |
| 21:34.45 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w, seems to never work |
| 21:34.59 | dataw0lf|w | why should I? |
| 21:35.24 | dataw0lf|w | the only time I have to leave my terminal is in case of meltdown. |
| 21:35.29 | dataw0lf|w | otherwise I'm just writing scripts. |
| 21:35.52 | dataw0lf|w | or setting up a server like I'm doing right now. |
| 21:36.10 | bigdog_ut | i just work until i feel the cleveland steamer coming down the tracks or i need a coke |
| 21:40.45 | dataw0lf|w | oh, jea |
| 21:41.08 | dataw0lf|w | TERNARY = lambda x,y,z:(x() and [x()] or [z()])[0] |
| 21:41.22 | dataw0lf|w | that's hawt. |
| 21:42.33 | dataw0lf|w | err, s/[x()]/[y()] |
| 21:57.51 | macnewbold | jbot, no welcome $1 is <reply> (Howdy, $1! | Good to see you, $1! | $1, Sup yo? | Welcome to the party, $1! | [all in unison] Hi, $1! | Hey, $1! Glad you could join us.) |
| 21:57.52 | jbot | okay, macnewbold |
| 21:58.00 | macnewbold | welcome jbot |
| 21:58.04 | macnewbold | ~welcome jbot |
| 21:58.05 | jbot | Howdy, jbot! |
| 21:58.15 | macnewbold | ~welcome Davi1 |
| 21:58.16 | jbot | Howdy, Davi1! |
| 21:58.30 | macnewbold | ~welcome ChanServ |
| 21:58.31 | jbot | Howdy, ChanServ! |
| 21:58.33 | fungus | ~welcome macnewbold |
| 21:58.34 | jbot | Hey, macnewbold! Glad you could join us. |
| 21:58.34 | macnewbold | hm |
| 21:58.38 | Davi1 | hello, again |
| 21:58.39 | macnewbold | ah, much better |
| 21:58.43 | macnewbold | ~welcome fungus |
| 21:58.44 | jbot | Good to see you, fungus! |
| 21:58.46 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
| 21:59.11 | fungus | ~macnewbold |
| 21:59.12 | jbot | i heard macnewbold is professional up front and a party in the back, or a cookie monster, or getting an enima |
| 21:59.45 | dataw0lf|w | ~dataw0lf |
| 21:59.46 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, dataw0lf is sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc |
| 21:59.56 | dataw0lf|w | true dat |
| 22:11.57 | bigdog_ut | time to go home |
| 22:30.10 | dataw0lf|w | jsmith: congrats on the book, I didn't know about it. |
| 22:30.31 | jsmith | dataw0lf|w: You didn't? |
| 22:30.38 | dataw0lf|w | jsmith: nope, first time I'm hearing bout it. |
| 22:30.43 | jsmith | dataw0lf|w: There's even a chapter on doing Asterisk stuff in PHP. |
| 22:30.57 | dataw0lf|w | jsmith: jawesome. |
| 22:31.23 | jsmith | Yeah, it's been a lot of work, but now I get to see the rewards. |
| 22:31.56 | dataw0lf|w | pretty damn cool man. |
| 22:32.02 | dataw0lf|w | alright, I'm off work, cya guys later. |
| 22:32.33 | Davi1 | what book did you write? |
| 22:34.34 | macnewbold | it's a book about asterisk |
| 22:34.48 | macnewbold | the open-source phone PBX software |
| 22:35.35 | Davi1 | cool, I love asterisk. have a server set up at home to mess around with. |
| 22:37.31 | jsmith | Oh really? |
| 22:39.15 | Davi1 | yeah, I have accounts set up for my wife, myself and a couple of co-workers. It's a lot of fun. I'm not very adept at it though. I could use a good book. When does yours come out? |
| 22:41.27 | jsmith | It should be on bookshelves the middle to end of August. |
| 22:42.42 | Davi1 | I'll join right now! :) |
| 22:47.04 | Davi1 | What's the title of your book? |
| 22:47.16 | macnewbold | hmm... UAUG isn't that interesting, but if you could make your acronym AUGA or something else that sounds like an old-time car horn, that'd be sweet |
| 22:57.58 | macnewbold | ~google jared smith asterisk book |
| 22:58.30 | Davi1 | k |
| 22:59.03 | macnewbold | jbot was supposed to find out for us... |
| 22:59.29 | macnewbold | ~google jared smith asterisk book |
| 22:59.30 | macnewbold | ~wake jbot |
| 22:59.32 | jbot | jbot: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 23:00.30 | macnewbold | Asterisk: The Future of TelephonyJared Smith, Jim Van Meggelen, Leif Madsen |
| 23:00.30 | macnewbold | O'Reilly & Associates, Estimated Publication Date September 2005, 504 pages, ISBN 0596009623List Price: $39.95 |
| 23:00.30 | macnewbold | Our Price: $25.95 |
| 23:00.30 | macnewbold | You Save: $14.00 (35% Off) |
| 23:00.30 | macnewbold | Availability: Not-Yet-Published. Estimated publication date is September 2005. If you order it today we can ship it to you when it arrives. |
| 23:00.39 | macnewbold | that's from bookpool |
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