| 00:13.18 | bigdog_ut | whatz the command in freebsd to get a list of packages you can install |
| 00:14.40 | mindjuju | pkg_info(1) is a utility that lists and describes the various packages installed. |
| 00:14.44 | mindjuju | http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/packages-using.html |
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| 00:14.45 | mindjuju | ? |
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| 00:15.04 | macnewbold | did I miss anything important? :) |
| 00:15.13 | bigdog_ut | whatz the command in freebsd to get a list of packages you can install |
| 00:15.30 | macnewbold | ls /usr/ports/* |
| 00:15.35 | bigdog_ut | oh |
| 00:15.35 | macnewbold | :) |
| 00:15.45 | macnewbold | their in categories, then each thing has a directory |
| 00:15.55 | macnewbold | cd to that dir, type "sudo make install", and you're golden |
| 00:16.26 | bigdog_ut | what about pkg_install? |
| 00:16.27 | macnewbold | s/their/they're/ |
| 00:16.31 | macnewbold | what about it? |
| 00:16.41 | bigdog_ut | cnt i use that |
| 00:16.43 | macnewbold | that's only for packages, not for ports (binary vs source) |
| 00:16.52 | macnewbold | you'd have to have the package first |
| 00:17.05 | macnewbold | I've never done much with them |
| 00:17.24 | macnewbold | the ports collection basically gets the source, builds it according to your setup, and makes a package on the fly and installs it |
| 00:18.30 | bigdog_ut | yeah...i was just hoping i could do a pkg_install and call it good |
| 00:19.22 | macnewbold | do you have a package? |
| 00:19.30 | macnewbold | if you have one or find one, you can do that |
| 00:19.41 | bigdog_ut | not sure...this is a friends box |
| 00:19.47 | macnewbold | don't ask me good ways to find them, cause I don't |
| 00:19.57 | macnewbold | why not use the ports? |
| 00:20.01 | bigdog_ut | i wanted to just do sysinfo and get the name |
| 00:20.09 | macnewbold | name of what? |
| 00:20.10 | bigdog_ut | then do a pkg_install and dam... |
| 00:20.21 | macnewbold | how big is this thing you're installing? |
| 00:20.32 | bigdog_ut | small...logrotate is what i want |
| 00:20.37 | macnewbold | unless it's like KDE or Gnome or X11 or something, probably quicker to just to ports |
| 00:20.41 | macnewbold | does it have a port? |
| 00:20.49 | bigdog_ut | yah |
| 00:20.55 | macnewbold | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.04 | macnewbold | just use the port, it's much easier than locating a package |
| 00:21.28 | bigdog_ut | sounds good |
| 00:21.41 | bigdog_ut | man freebsd suckz |
| 00:21.42 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 00:21.47 | macnewbold | ~slap bigdog_ut |
| 00:21.48 | jbot | ACTION slaps bigdog_ut, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 00:21.49 | macnewbold | ~lart bigdog_ut |
| 00:21.51 | macnewbold | ~clue bigdog_ut |
| 00:21.52 | jbot | ACTION fans out Vegas-style a stack of clues for bigdog_ut "Pick one, any one! ...and don't show it to me." |
| 00:22.04 | macnewbold | ~cluebat bigdog_ut |
| 00:22.05 | jbot | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps bigdog_ut. |
| 00:22.05 | bigdog_ut | well now |
| 00:22.22 | macnewbold | ~ask bigdog_ut if he's learned his lesson yet |
| 00:22.40 | macnewbold | so how long did it take to install? |
| 00:22.43 | macnewbold | < 60 seconds? |
| 00:23.42 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 00:23.44 | bigdog_ut | it was fast |
| 00:23.51 | bigdog_ut | so i install vim for him too |
| 00:24.54 | bigdog_ut | the best book i got from oreilly -> essential system admin pocket reference |
| 00:25.27 | bigdog_ut | has commands for aix, hp-ux, freebsd, linux, solaris and some others |
| 00:25.57 | bigdog_ut | even has a cool appendix D "why not to use ubuntu" |
| 00:27.40 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 00:27.51 | macnewbold | what about the "gentoo is only for ricers" appendix? |
| 00:28.14 | bigdog_ut | thats under the appendix a "why freebsd sucks so bad" |
| 00:34.15 | eco|w | Is E "RPM Hell"? |
| 00:43.30 | mindjuju | math wierdness |
| 00:43.30 | mindjuju | http://digicc.com/fido/ |
| 00:47.00 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, you still around? |
| 00:47.27 | macnewbold | barely, bigdog_ut... sup? |
| 00:47.42 | bigdog_ut | where does freebsd put its daily cron at? |
| 00:47.51 | macnewbold | root's cron is in /etc/crontab |
| 00:47.57 | macnewbold | others in /var/cron/tabs/ |
| 00:48.12 | bigdog_ut | okay in the /etc/crontab it has the periodic daily |
| 00:48.23 | macnewbold | kind of |
| 00:48.33 | macnewbold | that calls a script that uses /etc/periodic/daily/ |
| 00:48.37 | macnewbold | to run a bunch of things |
| 00:48.43 | bigdog_ut | oh that is what i need |
| 00:49.08 | bigdog_ut | i want to add my logrotate there |
| 00:49.10 | macnewbold | cool |
| 00:49.16 | macnewbold | ah, yeah, that's a good idea |
| 00:49.23 | macnewbold | unless for some reason you want it a separate cron job |
| 00:49.29 | macnewbold | could go either way I guess |
| 00:49.41 | macnewbold | is the timing okay on the daily? it's like 3am or something isnt' it? |
| 00:49.47 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 00:49.50 | macnewbold | k |
| 00:50.01 | bigdog_ut | you can add them to /etc/crontab too right? |
| 00:50.12 | macnewbold | yes. I always have to remind myself to avoid 2am-3am |
| 00:50.21 | macnewbold | unless it's okay to get skipped when DST hits |
| 00:50.34 | macnewbold | or to avoid 1am-2am unless it's okay to do it twice when DST ends |
| 00:50.35 | macnewbold | :) |
| 00:51.21 | macnewbold | k, well, gnight all |
| 00:51.32 | bigdog_ut | night |
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| 14:04.43 | mindjuju | 6a came early this morn |
| 14:04.47 | mindjuju | had a late night last night |
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| 14:53.30 | bigdog_ut | ~bitchslap mindjuju |
| 14:53.31 | jbot | ACTION beats the sh*t out of mindjuju |
| 14:53.58 | mindjuju | ~curse bigdog_ut |
| 14:53.59 | jbot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, bigdog_ut ! |
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| 15:38.07 | Ruis | i have a question for you guys about mod_rewrite. if I wanted to make something similar to tinyurl.com where i had a code after the domain (eg: example.com/cf3f5) and that rewrote to something like example.com/mypage.php?code=cf3f5 how does that affect other requests? |
| 15:38.09 | Ruis | like if I went to example.com/someotherpage.php would that get rewritten too? |
| 15:38.45 | bigdog_ut | no |
| 15:38.55 | bigdog_ut | with mod_rewrite you do pattern matching |
| 15:39.10 | bigdog_ut | so you would match the pattern...if it did not match you do nothing |
| 15:39.26 | Ruis | alright. so my patern would just be 5 alphanumeric characters? |
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| 15:39.41 | dataw0lf|w | Ruis: it'd be whatever you want it to be. |
| 15:39.42 | bigdog_ut | depends on how you set it up |
| 15:39.51 | Ruis | ok. cool. |
| 15:40.02 | bigdog_ut | like i tend to match the relative path |
| 15:40.05 | dataw0lf|w | Ruis: probably 5 alphanumeric characters, throwing away anything that matches to .ccc / .cccc as well |
| 15:40.09 | bigdog_ut | some match other ways |
| 15:40.27 | bigdog_ut | check out mod_rewrite and the matching stuff |
| 15:52.24 | macnewbold | helpful PHP hint of the day: |
| 15:52.36 | macnewbold | be very careful when shortening $example to $ex |
| 15:57.59 | Ruis | is this valid regex for a 5 character alphanumeric code? |
| 15:58.00 | Ruis | RewriteRule^/([0-9A-Za-z]{5})$/mypage.php?code=$1 |
| 15:59.21 | bigdog_ut | what are you testing against |
| 16:00.21 | Ruis | example.com/cf3f5 |
| 16:01.10 | bigdog_ut | your reg doesnt look right |
| 16:01.53 | bigdog_ut | not sure about the forward slash |
| 16:02.36 | bigdog_ut | are you missing another one |
| 16:02.41 | Ruis | i don't have access to an apache config at this moment, so I can't test it. |
| 16:03.54 | bigdog_ut | no your right |
| 16:04.50 | Ruis | and that will skip something like example.com/a.php |
| 16:05.00 | Ruis | cuz the . throws it off, correct? |
| 16:05.14 | Ruis | (not that I would ever make a php page called a.php) |
| 16:05.29 | bigdog_ut | yes |
| 16:05.43 | Ruis | cool. thanks. |
| 16:05.47 | bigdog_ut | np |
| 16:06.02 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: hehe |
| 16:06.44 | macnewbold | yeah, my coworker just started laughing out of nowhere, then says "Oh, well that isn't good..." |
| 16:06.48 | macnewbold | and told me about it |
| 16:06.58 | macnewbold | he had done it on accident, then it took on a different meaning |
| 16:07.38 | dataw0lf|w | hehe. |
| 16:23.53 | mindjuju | so when you do text wrap around an image, you have to place div tags as spacer gifs to get it to wrap around? |
| 16:23.57 | mindjuju | http://webdesign.about.com/library/layouts/zwraparoundborders.htm |
| 16:24.04 | mindjuju | what up with that? |
| 16:30.15 | macnewbold | mindjuju: you only have to do that if you want it to conform to some shape within the image, rather than the (rectangular) edges of the image itself. |
| 16:31.00 | macnewbold | the divs are just a hack basically to define the edge that you want to wrap against |
| 16:31.00 | mindjuju | now your talking my language, just want a 10px buffer around my pic which is rectangular |
| 16:31.24 | macnewbold | I'd probably set margin:10px inside a style attribute or with your style sheet |
| 16:31.57 | macnewbold | if you're using align="right" or something, that usually puts a margin on it by default, but I think it's smaller than 10px |
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| 16:46.54 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: what registration? |
| 16:47.17 | bigdog_ut | project we are working on |
| 16:47.20 | macnewbold | ah |
| 16:47.22 | macnewbold | nm |
| 16:47.49 | macnewbold | anyone in here used Cake (PHP on rails)? |
| 16:48.36 | mindjuju | nope, but i have the album fashion nugget from Cake |
| 16:49.53 | wps | good album |
| 16:53.22 | macnewbold | my favorite Cake song: stickshifts and safety belts |
| 16:53.39 | mindjuju | what! what about going the distance |
| 16:53.44 | mindjuju | sure it was overplayed, but.... |
| 16:53.51 | dataw0lf|w | yech. |
| 16:53.54 | dataw0lf|w | can't stand Cake. |
| 16:54.00 | dataw0lf|w | except for I Will Survive. |
| 16:54.10 | mindjuju | ~nyuk datawolf|W |
| 16:54.11 | jbot | ACTION grabs datawolf|W nose and hammers it with his other hand! |
| 16:55.08 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, can you check if colortail is part of freebsd ports |
| 16:55.32 | macnewbold | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.38 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 16:55.58 | macnewbold | it's not a question of _if_ something is a freebsd port, it's a question of which category(s) is it in... ;) |
| 16:56.17 | macnewbold | > locate colortail |
| 16:56.17 | macnewbold | /usr/ports/misc/colortail |
| 16:56.39 | macnewbold | is colortail any good? |
| 16:56.54 | bigdog_ut | not sure going to check it out for a customer |
| 16:57.42 | macnewbold | A colour-able replacement for tail(1) |
| 16:57.46 | macnewbold | sounds boring :) |
| 16:58.07 | macnewbold | but that's coming from a guy who doesn't use colorized ls(1) either |
| 16:58.24 | bigdog_ut | yeah u are really boring then |
| 16:58.31 | fungus | Ooh, cake looks cool. |
| 16:58.42 | macnewbold | check out the tutorial... |
| 16:58.48 | macnewbold | 8 steps to a basic working blog |
| 16:58.50 | fungus | reading it now |
| 16:58.52 | Alphahawk | hey guys question since there a few of you in here. I am trying to figure out how a PnP gateway works. What I mean by that is I can hook up to any network with a static ip that is not part of the network range in the location but there gateway will still let me out to internet with the gateway I have. Has anyone heard about this? |
| 16:59.31 | macnewbold | Alphahawk: I think I saw your other post(s) about this... |
| 16:59.46 | macnewbold | problem is routing |
| 17:00.12 | macnewbold | you'd have to convince the box that you were its gateway |
| 17:00.28 | macnewbold | if it's got a hardcoded gateway IP, then you've got to basically be that IP |
| 17:00.33 | macnewbold | in addition to the others |
| 17:00.49 | macnewbold | my guess is that you could watch it ARP, and find out what it was looking for |
| 17:00.50 | fungus | If you router is flexible you can assign your router and 1.1.1.254 as an alias. |
| 17:00.54 | macnewbold | and assume that identity and respond |
| 17:01.24 | macnewbold | in order to do all that though, |
| 17:01.36 | Alphahawk | that is the problem I see alot of routers that do this I just cannot figure out how they do it so that any possible ip gateway will work |
| 17:01.37 | macnewbold | you'd have to have a program that was always running, watching your arp requests, |
| 17:01.57 | macnewbold | that would set up an alias on the fly when an ARP is received that falls outside the network, |
| 17:02.03 | macnewbold | and then respond to the arp |
| 17:02.08 | macnewbold | or wait for it to retry the arp |
| 17:02.46 | macnewbold | Alphahawk: the only ways to get it to work for _any_ IP is to have your box take over aliases for every IP, which would break the internet connectivity, |
| 17:02.57 | macnewbold | or to dynamically respond to their requests |
| 17:03.02 | macnewbold | when they try to send something, |
| 17:03.17 | macnewbold | they'll first ARP for the IP address of the box the expect to be their default gateway |
| 17:03.39 | fungus | In other words, not trivial. |
| 17:03.39 | macnewbold | in a NAT'ed network, that just means something outside of your normal subnet |
| 17:03.47 | macnewbold | not trivial, but doable |
| 17:04.53 | macnewbold | so when you get that ARP, you've just got to respond to it and set up an IP alias on your box |
| 17:05.02 | macnewbold | and whatever other steps you'd need to allow that subnet to relay through you |
| 17:05.19 | macnewbold | one catch is that they won't really be able to talk to that host anymore if you take over the address |
| 17:05.30 | macnewbold | which may do some damage to what they were trying to do |
| 17:05.46 | macnewbold | like if that box was a server (web or otherwise) in addition to being the gateway) |
| 17:06.18 | macnewbold | so to fix that, you'd have to set up the IP alias, but also |
| 17:06.37 | macnewbold | forward/tunnel any incoming connections for that IP address to the remote box that really has that address |
| 17:06.53 | macnewbold | (assuming it's not a 10.*, 192.168.*, 172.*, etc) |
| 17:07.22 | macnewbold | and getting your box to do that, even though you've told it that _it_ has that address itself, might be difficult |
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| 17:11.38 | fungus | In cake however I would replace the template with standard PHP, and DBO with Pear::DB |
| 17:11.56 | Alphahawk | thanks for info |
| 17:12.18 | macnewbold | no problem |
| 17:12.21 | macnewbold | hope it helps |
| 17:12.33 | macnewbold | i doubt there's a free open source thing that already does that out of the box |
| 17:12.39 | macnewbold | so it may take some hacking to get it to work |
| 17:12.48 | macnewbold | but it's possible using open source OS and tools |
| 17:13.20 | macnewbold | so Alphahawk, does the product you've been working on already sell, or is it one that's being developed for future sale? |
| 17:14.05 | Alphahawk | already sell seen a few already that do it dlink nomadix and a few others |
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| 17:49.38 | trl-thomas | Good afternoon everyone... |
| 17:49.57 | wps | good afternoon |
| 17:51.08 | trl-thomas | I just found this channel so I though I would check it out |
| 17:51.17 | wps | welcome |
| 17:51.35 | dataw0lf|w | trl-thomas: you from Utah, then? |
| 17:51.53 | trl-thomas | yah I live in Ogden and work in SaltLake |
| 17:53.04 | dataw0lf|w | cool, what do you do, whom do you work for? |
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| 17:54.00 | trl-thomas | Well I work during the week for WebConverse in Sugarhouse and on Saturday I am a host of a local talk show called TechRadioLive |
| 17:54.26 | dataw0lf|w | fun stuff. |
| 17:54.35 | macnewbold | trl-thomas: I live in sugarhouse... where's webconverse? I've never heard of them |
| 17:54.50 | dataw0lf|w | out sourcing bastards. |
| 17:54.52 | trl-thomas | It is fun and it looks like we may get syndicated for nationwide broadcast soon |
| 17:54.54 | dataw0lf|w | is what they are. |
| 17:55.27 | trl-thomas | That is correct they are a outsoucing call center. |
| 17:55.33 | dataw0lf|w | indeed. |
| 17:55.35 | dataw0lf|w | lunch calls. |
| 17:56.10 | macnewbold | so you do outgoing telemarketing calls? |
| 17:56.31 | macnewbold | where's their office... I've never seen/heard of them, and I've been in sugarhouse a long time |
| 17:56.53 | macnewbold | telemarketing == phone spam |
| 17:56.54 | trl-thomas | 2100 South and highland across from the library. |
| 17:57.02 | macnewbold | above the stores? |
| 17:57.12 | macnewbold | or is the outside of the building something else? |
| 17:57.14 | trl-thomas | Just to the south of them |
| 17:57.21 | macnewbold | ah, by the O2 bar? |
| 17:57.30 | trl-thomas | yup in the office building |
| 17:57.31 | macnewbold | and michelangelos? |
| 17:57.33 | macnewbold | k |
| 17:57.39 | trl-thomas | just north of the O2 bar |
| 17:57.55 | trl-thomas | Where Aclaim used to be |
| 17:57.56 | macnewbold | but phone spam is worse than regular spam, cause it doesn't just clog your inbox and make you waste a few seconds deleting it, |
| 17:58.09 | macnewbold | it interrupts you, and usually wastes minutes instead of seconds |
| 17:58.28 | macnewbold | and a spam doesn't say "No, wait, what about..." every time you say no/delete |
| 17:58.29 | trl-thomas | Well we do all incoming high end technical support. Most of it is Enterprise level no home users. |
| 17:58.40 | macnewbold | ah, _incoming_ calls |
| 17:58.47 | macnewbold | that's much better - not phone spam |
| 17:58.56 | trl-thomas | Exactly |
| 17:59.10 | macnewbold | mind if I ask what kinds of products you support? |
| 17:59.38 | trl-thomas | I am hoping the radio show will be syndicated in the next month or two then I will not have to even work here. |
| 18:00.07 | mindjuju | what channel is the radio show on? |
| 18:00.08 | trl-thomas | I support Primavera products for the construction industry. |
| 18:00.15 | trl-thomas | AM 630 KTKK |
| 18:00.52 | trl-thomas | Web based software with a Oracle or Sybase backend |
| 18:00.58 | macnewbold | if you want an audience, get on FM :) |
| 18:01.19 | trl-thomas | you would be surprised how many people listen to AM radio. |
| 18:02.10 | trl-thomas | Rush Limbaugh makes over $200 Million a year on AM radio |
| 18:02.17 | mindjuju | what time on saturday? |
| 18:02.28 | fungus | Oh cool. I have listened to a few TRL shows. |
| 18:02.44 | trl-thomas | Great |
| 18:02.46 | fungus | But I don't listen to radio, only via podcast. |
| 18:03.08 | trl-thomas | I am working on getting podcast up and running as we speak |
| 18:03.12 | trl-thomas | brb |
| 18:03.14 | macnewbold | well, I know that _I_ never listen to AM radio on any kind of regular basis, and I don't know very many people that do |
| 18:04.06 | fungus | The only radio show I want to listen to is Coast2Coast, and I have a script to record the stream from the KNRS website. |
| 18:04.19 | macnewbold | AM's got a better range (i.e. KSL 1160 can hit from Arizona to Idaho easily) |
| 18:04.23 | macnewbold | but the quality is lousy |
| 18:04.24 | mindjuju | i love coast to coast! |
| 18:04.33 | mindjuju | did you hear yesterday about the guy that can summon UFOs? |
| 18:04.37 | fungus | all other shows are already available via download. eg: Air America. |
| 18:04.41 | macnewbold | music on AM radio is hardly worht listening to |
| 18:04.52 | mindjuju | and he's all saying he received a mysterious donation of $750k |
| 18:04.53 | macnewbold | but voice, talk radio, is okay usually |
| 18:05.07 | mindjuju | hilarious |
| 18:05.25 | fungus | Nope, my script broke last week. |
| 18:05.54 | fungus | Plus wading through all the ads makes me rarely listen to the entire thing. |
| 18:06.00 | mindjuju | i don't usually listen to radio at all, the only exceptions are Liquid Rythmns on 90.9 on saturday morn at 1a - 3a, loveline when i get a chance and coast to coast |
| 18:06.08 | mindjuju | that's about all i listen to radio for |
| 18:06.15 | macnewbold | so what you're really saying is you _had_ a script that records the stream... ;) |
| 18:06.29 | mindjuju | digitally imported goa stream rox! |
| 18:06.32 | fungus | macnewbold, exactly |
| 18:07.59 | macnewbold | Oldies 94.1 KODJ is very good, and lately I've been trying "My" 99.5 more |
| 18:07.59 | fungus | Lately it has been all podcasts all the time. |
| 18:08.00 | macnewbold | I wish more local radio stations had good internet broadcasts |
| 18:08.00 | macnewbold | none of the stations I listen to regularly have them. |
| 18:08.00 | fungus | KNRS (coast2coast) is ok, but has tons of commercials, and quality is so-so |
| 18:08.37 | fungus | but if you want to listen to tons of great commercial free shows, check out podcastalley.com |
| 18:08.54 | mindjuju | they did have them until RIAA got all stupid about webcasts |
| 18:09.21 | mindjuju | at least in Houston, every radio station had webcast until RIAA wanted to charge radio fees to webcasts |
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| 18:10.54 | trl-thomas | You can download our shows from techradiolive.com in .mp3 .wma or .ogg formats. All the commercials have been removed for your listening pleasure :) |
| 18:11.33 | fungus | sweet. but there hasn't been a new one since 5/14. :) |
| 18:20.24 | trl-thomas | yah it takes us a couple of weeks to get them up there. |
| 18:21.25 | scott_ | I guess this is just basic html, but say my current page is ?foo=bar and I want to link to that same page but with &var=b is there a way to do the link besides <a href="?foo=bar&var=b"> ? |
| 18:21.53 | scott_ | when I put <a href="&var=b"> it thinks that's it's own page |
| 18:22.06 | trl-thomas | It is nice we are a little more tech then say Kim Kommando we are very opensource friendly and try to get people to try new things. Oh yah I also try to push FreeBSD as well :) |
| 18:22.43 | mindjuju | scott, what is the name of the page itself, not the parameters your sending? |
| 18:23.33 | trl-thomas | So is there meetings for this group or is it online only? |
| 18:23.53 | mindjuju | 2 types of meetings thomas |
| 18:24.01 | mindjuju | monthly meeting for whole UPHPU group |
| 18:24.10 | mindjuju | Project meeting for framework we're building |
| 18:24.16 | wps | "We have a mailing list and meet for presentations on the third Tuesday of each month. Membership is free and open to anyone interested. We look forward to having you as part of the group." |
| 18:26.42 | trl-thomas | So the 21st is the next presentation? What is it going to be on? |
| 18:27.22 | wps | http://uphpu.org/calendar_event.php?eid=20050526165209351 |
| 18:27.56 | trl-thomas | Great |
| 18:27.58 | trl-thomas | Thanks |
| 18:28.49 | trl-thomas | I am more of a FreeBSD guy then Linux but I want to learn more about linux so that will be great. |
| 18:31.18 | trl-thomas | I run 3 FreeBSD servers and I can not say anything negative in over 4 years of administration. |
| 18:32.05 | wps | you'll fit in well with macnewbold then |
| 18:32.12 | wps | he is a FreeBSD evangelist |
| 18:32.17 | macnewbold | FreeBSD++ |
| 18:32.17 | trl-thomas | Great@ |
| 18:32.27 | macnewbold | yeah, FreeBSD rocks |
| 18:32.34 | macnewbold | we're working on converting bigdog_ut too |
| 18:33.03 | trl-thomas | not hard. Have you played with PCBSD yet? |
| 18:33.59 | macnewbold | nope... why would I want to? |
| 18:34.37 | trl-thomas | Just wondering I am going to be testing it to do a review on the show. |
| 18:34.37 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, tryin to convert me is like tryin to get dataw0lf|w to use macosx |
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| 18:38.12 | dataw0lf|w | hahaha! |
| 18:38.18 | dataw0lf|w | trl-thomas: you support Primavera? |
| 18:39.14 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: so you mean never, I hope. |
| 18:39.26 | bigdog_ut | will you ever use mac? |
| 18:39.37 | dataw0lf|w | I'll use macnewbold. |
| 18:39.59 | bigdog_ut | well then i guess that answers that |
| 18:40.07 | dataw0lf|w | but, no, it'll be a cold day in hell before I use an Apple product. |
| 18:40.13 | dataw0lf|w | not just cold. |
| 18:40.14 | dataw0lf|w | Freezing. |
| 18:40.22 | dataw0lf|w | with unicorns flying around. |
| 18:41.12 | dataw0lf|w | and leprykauns.. doing something. |
| 18:42.00 | dataw0lf|w | err, leprechaun that is. |
| 18:45.24 | Alphahawk | anyone in here troll the lartc channels much? |
| 18:46.28 | dataw0lf|w | I know much about lartc, but I don't idle in the channels. |
| 18:49.14 | Alphahawk | how nasty are they about flaming people? Especially for asking how to do something that basically puts a sign out saying HACK ME PLEASE I AM OPEN TO THE WORLD? |
| 18:49.51 | dataw0lf|w | are we talking about LARTC == linux advanced routing & traffic control ? |
| 18:49.57 | Alphahawk | yep |
| 18:50.09 | dataw0lf|w | what do you want to do ? |
| 18:50.26 | fungus | dataw0lf|w idle. LOL not possible. |
| 18:50.38 | dataw0lf|w | it's true. |
| 18:50.42 | dataw0lf|w | I'm active in every channel I'm in. |
| 18:51.03 | Alphahawk | setup a upnp gateway that lets anyone with any ip adrress imaginable connect to the ineternet without changing there static ip on there system. Basically same question as earlier |
| 18:51.08 | mindjuju | yeah, I noticed a datawolf in the xmission chat |
| 18:51.10 | mindjuju | that you? |
| 18:51.17 | dataw0lf|w | that's correct. |
| 18:51.46 | dataw0lf|w | Alphahawk: wha.. ? |
| 18:52.21 | dataw0lf|w | why do you want to do this? |
| 18:52.54 | Alphahawk | trust me I dont want to do it. The hotel I support made requirments for this |
| 18:53.23 | dataw0lf|w | some wireless network? |
| 18:53.32 | dataw0lf|w | I don't think it's possible, to be honest. |
| 18:53.38 | dataw0lf|w | just tell them to do DHCP. |
| 18:54.10 | Alphahawk | basically I can go into a hotel with a ip address of say 254.254.254.10 and gateway of 254.254.254.1 set static on my system. My system says I need to have a internet connection and the gateway so okay here is your connection to internet have fun being hacked |
| 18:54.23 | Alphahawk | datawolf have to keep dhcp running also. |
| 18:54.34 | dataw0lf|w | and keep their ip address? |
| 18:54.38 | Alphahawk | datawolf: yep |
| 18:55.45 | dataw0lf|w | I honestly don't think this is possible. |
| 18:55.52 | dataw0lf|w | fungus, bigdog_ut, macnewbold ? |
| 18:55.57 | dataw0lf|w | jsmith too. |
| 18:56.17 | Alphahawk | dataw0lf|w read documentation for uphpu and there looks like a way to do it in there |
| 18:56.34 | dataw0lf|w | upnp you mean? |
| 18:56.38 | Alphahawk | that and found a few routers from dlink that actually does this |
| 18:56.46 | Alphahawk | bah sorry upnp |
| 18:56.56 | Alphahawk | sorry brain is fried from trying to figure this out |
| 18:57.30 | dataw0lf|w | how would that work if they all have different gateways? |
| 18:58.17 | Alphahawk | not 100% sure but from what I can tell the upnp gateway somehow gets around it. I have asked the same question thuogh |
| 18:58.35 | Alphahawk | http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=173 |
| 18:58.49 | Alphahawk | The DSA-3100 also supports NAT IP Plug & Play (PnP) which allows any networkable computer to connect to the Internet without having to change their static IP configurations. |
| 18:58.54 | Alphahawk | that is straight from dlink |
| 18:59.09 | fungus | I have only seen UPnP used for automatic port forwarding. |
| 18:59.25 | dataw0lf|w | fungus: have you ever heard of anything like this? |
| 19:00.19 | Alphahawk | also some cisco's and nomadix gateways supposdly can do this but when I check specs on them dont seeing anything mentioning they hae this capability |
| 19:00.47 | fungus | That description sounds like it could be bad for the public network, and difficult to network multiple machines. |
| 19:01.25 | Alphahawk | fungus: Bingo that is what I keep saying. But they are forcing one of the hotels I support to do this. |
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| 19:01.47 | Alphahawk | They gm at the hotel and me dont want to but he loses his franchise sponser if we dont comply with it |
| 19:02.01 | fungus | Ahh, a hotel situation would be difficult to manually setup stuff. |
| 19:02.29 | Alphahawk | ya. But with the current system I do it now I maybe see 1 person a month at the most that I run into this problem |
| 19:02.32 | dataw0lf|w | quite interesting. |
| 19:02.36 | fungus | but UPnP requires a UPnP capable client. |
| 19:02.42 | fungus | eg. Windows XP. |
| 19:02.46 | Alphahawk | yep. |
| 19:02.55 | dataw0lf|w | I see what they're doing here. |
| 19:02.59 | fungus | Not possible with Win2k |
| 19:03.04 | Alphahawk | read in one othere spot UPnP = MICS |
| 19:03.58 | fungus | I think I have seen some UPnP clients for linux, but never cared about it. |
| 19:04.31 | Alphahawk | same I have seen some but none of them from reading documentation dont do what I am trying |
| 19:05.05 | dataw0lf|w | http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwh/reliawave-ipnpsg.html |
| 19:05.28 | Alphahawk | dont know though still researching it but it looks like I might have to ask someone in the lartc channel for some help and I can just imagine the flaming I would get for asking this |
| 19:05.29 | fungus | But the purpose for doing this will generally only be needed for corporate lackeys that are dumb and are using 2k or XP. |
| 19:06.19 | fungus | And a big portion of this demographic won't work with it (2k). |
| 19:07.10 | Alphahawk | fungus: if I have someone that has a static ip they can't change they are already flooding my server with spyware requests and also viruses so they are going to be kicked anyway half the time |
| 19:07.50 | dataw0lf|w | well, I think they made a ridiculous request of you. |
| 19:07.52 | dataw0lf|w | what hotel is this btw? |
| 19:07.55 | dataw0lf|w | if you don't mind sharing. |
| 19:08.00 | Alphahawk | hotel chain BW |
| 19:08.30 | dataw0lf|w | Best Western? |
| 19:08.35 | Alphahawk | yep |
| 19:08.41 | dataw0lf|w | ah, ok. |
| 19:09.01 | Alphahawk | I ahve been tempted to go into lartc channel and ask anyways and forward all the flames I get to BW. |
| 19:09.07 | fungus | Yeah, their request is stupid. It is difficult to setup and will only help 1 or 2 people a month. waste of money I think. |
| 19:09.58 | dataw0lf|w | sounds like they're getting pressure from the suits. |
| 19:10.30 | Alphahawk | yep. The company that does most of there internet connections I just found is located in puerto rico! woohoo |
| 19:10.49 | macnewbold | UPnP does not include this allow-any-static IP address functionality, IIRC - this is something extra, and yet another nasty hack that they've come up with _on_top_ of the nasty hack called NAT |
| 19:10.50 | fungus | I am glad that the only suit I get pressure from isn't impenetrable. |
| 19:11.31 | Alphahawk | macnewbold:yep |
| 19:11.41 | fungus | macnewbold, correct. the real solution is ipv6. |
| 19:11.53 | Alphahawk | I agree fungus |
| 19:12.10 | Alphahawk | macnewbold is that a quote from a web page |
| 19:12.13 | macnewbold | well, even ipv6 won't solve the "I want to go everywhere but keep the same static IP address" problem.... |
| 19:12.21 | Alphahawk | it helps alot though |
| 19:12.29 | macnewbold | Alphahawk: no, it's a quote from me, from a minute ago |
| 19:12.38 | Alphahawk | ok. jstu checking |
| 19:12.47 | Alphahawk | that is a keeper |
| 19:12.50 | macnewbold | you'd really need mobile IP or something like it to be able to really use it |
| 19:12.53 | fungus | yes, but in general you won't keep the same static address. autoconfigure rules. |
| 19:12.56 | mindjuju | In the words of Mindjuju... "nothin' better than quoting yourself." |
| 19:13.12 | macnewbold | yeah, static IP addresses are really only good for one thing: static configurations. |
| 19:13.28 | macnewbold | you'd never want to use a static IP on a computer you connect to different networks regularly. |
| 19:13.36 | macnewbold | cause you need a different IP on each network, |
| 19:13.49 | macnewbold | and you typically won't have a static one reserved for you, but just a dhcp one |
| 19:14.04 | fungus | Exactly. It is a *network* address. Not a machine address. |
| 19:14.20 | macnewbold | really Alphahawk, if there's anything you can do to help them get it, or if there's anyone there that has some sense, |
| 19:14.31 | macnewbold | you'd be best to help them understand the internet just doesn't work that way |
| 19:14.42 | macnewbold | they can ask almost anyone or pick up any text book |
| 19:14.44 | fungus | I don't expect my home physical address to follow me if I move to another state. |
| 19:15.07 | macnewbold | bottom line is this: if you connect to a different network, you need to get an IP address that works on that network. |
| 19:15.16 | macnewbold | keeping the same static IP won't work, and isn't supposed to |
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| 19:15.29 | macnewbold | anyone who travels with a laptop configured with a static IP |
| 19:15.33 | macnewbold | is either used to changing it a lot, |
| 19:15.40 | macnewbold | or is used to not being able to get on the net with it |
| 19:15.54 | macnewbold | cause in almost every place you go or every plcae you connect, |
| 19:15.56 | macnewbold | it won't work |
| 19:15.59 | macnewbold | and _shouldn't_ work |
| 19:16.27 | macnewbold | the problem I mentioned earlier with having to tunnel connctions back to the real server with that gateway IP |
| 19:16.31 | fungus | The companies that provide laptops with static IP addresses that are not able to be changed do it for a reason. They don't want that laptop on any other network *period* |
| 19:16.34 | macnewbold | is only one of the many you'd get if you tried to do this |
| 19:16.39 | macnewbold | fungus: exactly |
| 19:16.58 | macnewbold | but they're mistaken if they think they can give someone physical access to a computer |
| 19:17.06 | macnewbold | and expect them not to be able to change settings :) |
| 19:17.23 | macnewbold | Three words: knoppix, freesbie, or any other livecd |
| 19:17.24 | fungus | But they can make it difficult to figure out how. |
| 19:17.41 | macnewbold | yeah, raising the bar is about all they can do |
| 19:18.20 | macnewbold | it's like thinking that you can give someone phsyical access to your computer and that they won't be able to read your private files without knowing the root password |
| 19:18.30 | fungus | I understand the need for restricting that kind of thing. Some of those road-warriors are dumbasses always bringing their laptop in because it doesn't work anymore. |
| 19:18.41 | fungus | And you find out that they changed the network setup. |
| 19:20.48 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, but you could create two network profiles and have one that they could change and another locked. |
| 19:20.52 | Alphahawk | fungus: With the tech supports I deal with everyday when we get a client with a system with static ip's we recommend they go get a wireless card and cd that sets it up from the front desk and that gets around the static ip info and I dont screw with there other network setups |
| 19:21.34 | fungus | good idea. |
| 19:23.16 | Alphahawk | ya I know cause if I change there static they call up when they get back and whine because we change there ip info even though we warned them it would make is so that they wouldn't be able to connect to there work network |
| 19:25.02 | fungus | yay, intelligent thought. Maybe you should insert some of that into your boss. :) |
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| 19:50.11 | dataw0lf|w | fungus: heh. |
| 19:50.21 | dataw0lf|w | fungus: how do you usually insert intelligent thought? |
| 19:53.09 | fungus | I put it on my foot and force it through the sphincter. |
| 19:53.30 | dataw0lf|w | mmmm |
| 19:53.36 | dataw0lf|w | im stoopid i need intelligence |
| 19:54.26 | fungus | ~kick dataw0lf|w |
| 19:54.27 | jbot | bugger off sod! |
| 19:54.44 | dataw0lf|w | hmph. |
| 20:12.44 | wps | man |
| 20:12.54 | dataw0lf|w | wassup wps. |
| 20:12.56 | wps | I hate it when someone asks you for your opinion and then critiques it |
| 20:13.48 | jsmith | wps: I think you're wrong! |
| 20:14.01 | dataw0lf|w | I disagree with both of you. |
| 20:14.31 | fungus | I disagree with your disagreement. |
| 20:17.12 | bigdog_ut | i just want to disagree |
| 20:17.39 | dataw0lf|w | well you're wrong. |
| 20:18.07 | bigdog_ut | thankz for your disagreement |
| 20:18.40 | dataw0lf|w | I'm not disagreeing, I'm telling you: YOU'RE WRONG. |
| 20:18.41 | dataw0lf|w | kthnx |
| 20:19.02 | dataw0lf|w | I never 'disagree', really. |
| 20:19.03 | dataw0lf|w | duh |
| 20:19.13 | jsmith | I appreciate the fact that you're willing to go out of your way to tell me I'm wrong. |
| 20:19.46 | dataw0lf|w | that's why I've been put here. |
| 20:19.52 | dataw0lf|w | to help you, sir. |
| 20:21.17 | jsmith | dataw0lf|w: Wow! I've always wanted a henchman... especially one who can outprogram me :-) |
| 20:22.08 | dataw0lf|w | I'm the Alfred to your Batman. |
| 20:23.00 | fungus | nah, you're Robin, the Boy Wonder. |
| 20:24.41 | bigdog_ut | i am shirtless girl |
| 20:25.18 | dataw0lf|w | fungus: you take that back sir. right now. |
| 20:25.56 | fungus | Only if you let me watch. |
| 20:26.07 | dataw0lf|w | k |
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| 20:59.16 | drip | bigdog_ut: don't touch those |
| 20:59.46 | bigdog_ut | touch what? |
| 21:00.06 | drip | [2:27:pm] <bigdog_ut> i am shirtless girl |
| 21:00.15 | bigdog_ut | oh |
| 21:00.38 | bigdog_ut | i have a cool scooter too |
| 21:01.44 | fungus | touch /dev/ttys |
| 21:10.44 | bigdog_ut | http://www.bobandtom.com/gen3/8cover_img/nose_picker.jpg |
| 21:12.06 | bigdog_ut | http://www.bobandtom.com/gen3/5cover_img/mustache_record.jpg |
| 21:13.53 | bigdog_ut | heres bigdog -> http://www.bobandtom.com/gen3/sg_revenge1.html |
| 21:14.16 | dataw0lf|w | hawt |
| 21:15.04 | fungus | I am the nose picker. |
| 21:18.13 | dataw0lf|w | this, apparently, is how people view me on the ubuntu forums: http://images1.moviemarket.co.uk/library/posters/503368.jpg |
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