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| 00:55.06 | bigdog_ut | mindjuju, whatz up |
| 00:55.32 | mindjuju | hey my company is considering using oracle web colabration for a web ex replacement |
| 00:55.48 | mindjuju | that application relies on the 9i database |
| 00:56.06 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 00:56.14 | mindjuju | on a scale of 1 - 10 how hard would you say it would be to install 9i and have it configured appropriately? |
| 00:56.22 | mindjuju | also, have you ever used the oracle app server? |
| 00:56.23 | bigdog_ut | 3 |
| 00:56.27 | bigdog_ut | yes |
| 00:56.35 | mindjuju | how hard is that to use? |
| 00:56.41 | bigdog_ut | my first suggestion is to use the 10g versions |
| 00:57.05 | bigdog_ut | if you use 9i app server there are many issues i would suggest the 10g |
| 00:58.05 | mindjuju | i'll have to check and see which they are including |
| 00:58.22 | bigdog_ut | use the 10g db too |
| 00:58.33 | mindjuju | does the database require constant maintence? |
| 00:58.42 | bigdog_ut | no not really |
| 00:59.07 | bigdog_ut | unless you are doing some intensive db stuff |
| 00:59.12 | bigdog_ut | and even then it is minimal |
| 01:01.27 | mindjuju | thnx for the info! we are looking for a program and didn't know how hard it would be to have the oracle option |
| 01:01.28 | bigdog_ut | if you are using oracle products with the db then it is easier to maintain...when you start to introduce home grown apps then the maintenance goes up |
| 01:01.46 | bigdog_ut | the reason why is because many companies do not have a full blown oracle db working the stuff |
| 01:03.28 | bigdog_ut | mindjuju, if you follow in the instructions in the install guide for oracle you will have no porblems..if you deviate then you might have some |
| 01:03.34 | bigdog_ut | what os are you looking to deploy too? |
| 01:03.59 | mindjuju | probably a win2k3 box, but it depends on the solution |
| 01:04.17 | mindjuju | we are considering oracle web conferencing, MS Live Meeting and Macromedia Breeze |
| 01:04.37 | mindjuju | though breeze is crazy expensive, so right now we are looking at the other two |
| 01:04.40 | bigdog_ut | breeze sucks and is too much money for the cost |
| 01:05.20 | bigdog_ut | ms live locks you into that os...oracle is java/c based and you can move to other platforms if you need |
| 01:05.28 | bigdog_ut | and can scale like no other |
| 01:05.59 | bigdog_ut | but oracle is a pricey too |
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| 14:01.19 | bigdog_ut | mornin all |
| 14:30.15 | macnewbold | mornin, bigdog_ut |
| 14:30.28 | *** topic/#uphpu by macnewbold -> Group project/class meeting tonight! | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 14:30.35 | dataw0lf|w | g'morning |
| 14:31.07 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: do you know who all is acoming? |
| 14:31.43 | macnewbold | I've got a list of about 15-20 people who are (or were :) ) interested in it, |
| 14:31.51 | macnewbold | but haven't done a strict rsvp |
| 14:32.01 | macnewbold | I imagine we'll have some who aren't on the list show up |
| 14:32.12 | macnewbold | people who weren't on it were asking questoins |
| 14:32.22 | macnewbold | I need to check with wade about that new mailing list too. |
| 14:32.38 | dataw0lf|w | jea. |
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| 14:54.18 | macnewbold | morning wps |
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| 15:04.05 | wps | good morning |
| 15:04.13 | wps | still working on your mailing list, macnewbold |
| 15:06.25 | macnewbold | k |
| 15:06.28 | macnewbold | sounds good |
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| 15:54.14 | bigdog_ut | work is great! |
| 15:55.13 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: oh yeah? why the big change? |
| 15:55.19 | macnewbold | you were singing a different tune last week :) |
| 15:55.21 | dataw0lf|w | :) |
| 15:58.46 | drip | he forgot the </sarcasm> tag. |
| 15:59.30 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 15:59.51 | bigdog_ut | <sarcasm>work is great!!!</sarcasm> |
| 16:00.18 | dataw0lf|w | oho! |
| 16:01.47 | bigdog_ut | i think i just work too much |
| 16:01.54 | macnewbold | I'd agree with that, I think |
| 16:02.25 | bigdog_ut | or i have a fear of stupid people |
| 16:02.53 | macnewbold | they shouldn't usually be feared, but pitied |
| 16:03.02 | macnewbold | unless you have to rely on them for something |
| 16:03.06 | macnewbold | then fear is sometimes reasonable |
| 16:10.49 | bigdog_ut | i have to rely on them |
| 16:10.53 | bigdog_ut | that is the fear |
| 16:11.24 | dataw0lf|w | excellent point. |
| 16:11.37 | bigdog_ut | good thing i have drip in my corner...to keep me sane |
| 16:11.49 | macnewbold | ~drip |
| 16:11.51 | jbot | hmm... drip is drop, or lollypop, or nothing but an impertinent thimbleful of antique anal warts, according to jbot, or makes more girly giggles than bigdog_ut. |
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| 17:36.37 | bigdog_ut | is there anyway to film the meeting tonight or get audio |
| 17:41.46 | macnewbold | if someone has a camera or a decent mike and wants to record it, that sounds fine to me |
| 17:41.52 | macnewbold | but I don't have any equipment to do so |
| 17:42.14 | macnewbold | mindjuju is bringing a projector, last I heard, and perhaps knows about the audio/video recording of the last meeting |
| 17:42.39 | macnewbold | there are at least three people (Dan Crookston, bigdog_ut, and wps) that won't be there and may want to see/hear it |
| 17:42.43 | mindjuju | projector check |
| 17:43.11 | mindjuju | video equipment - can be brought |
| 17:43.29 | mindjuju | rip sound from last meeting, sorry, been super busy, but i'll jump on that |
| 17:43.31 | mindjuju | i'm a nerd |
| 17:49.10 | macnewbold | thanks mindjuju, that would be cool |
| 17:49.29 | macnewbold | maybe we can also convince someone to take some notes about what we discuss and any decisions we make |
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| 18:26.15 | Alphahawk | Macnewbold question on the class tonight. Will notes be posted on the site? I would like to participate but tuesday nights I am unfortunatly unable to come |
| 18:26.53 | macnewbold | Alphahawk: we're going to try and get video, audio, and some notes |
| 18:27.07 | macnewbold | we'll do our best, since there are at least 5 people who want them |
| 18:27.21 | macnewbold | is _every_ tuesday going to be bad, or just occasionally? |
| 18:46.10 | Alphahawk | every tuesday |
| 18:46.34 | Alphahawk | I work with youth on tuesday nights |
| 18:48.05 | Alphahawk | question does $message="Add"; $message.="more"; give me "Addmore"? |
| 18:52.48 | macnewbold | yep |
| 18:57.09 | jsmith | macnewbold: Tuesday nights are bad for me too... fwiw. |
| 19:10.34 | macnewbold | if thursdays work as well or better for almost everyone, I'm not opposed to holding at least some of the meetings on Thursday |
| 19:10.54 | macnewbold | Thursday and Tuesday are about equally good for me, since the time I'm busy is on Wednesdays |
| 19:11.14 | dataw0lf|w | as long as they don't coincide with urapug. |
| 19:11.21 | macnewbold | yep |
| 19:11.48 | macnewbold | we'd never have one on the third week, since that's the normal uphpu meeting |
| 19:11.48 | jsmith | Thursdays are much better for me. |
| 19:21.32 | Alphahawk | unfortuanly most weeknights suck for me as I am working the other nights. So as long as there are notes that would be great. Also was a price ever decided on? |
| 19:22.17 | mindjuju | a price? |
| 19:22.33 | Alphahawk | or donation whatever is was |
| 19:23.01 | jsmith | Charging money to help develop BSD-licensed code? Wow, that's a new one. |
| 19:23.09 | jsmith | I'm not opposed to a donation though. |
| 19:23.13 | Alphahawk | mindjuju there was talk of a helping cover costs and dont know if that was ever decided on |
| 19:23.57 | Alphahawk | sorry price was wrong word to use |
| 19:24.31 | mindjuju | to bad we can't just do online colaboration. then meeting could be during lunch one day |
| 19:25.19 | Alphahawk | ya. we could always setup a ventrillo server to do it |
| 19:27.39 | mindjuju | just an idea, but if we did online colobaration, then we could almost have a big meeting once a month with little meetings weekly to see where the projects are |
| 19:29.17 | jsmith | Naw, you need face-to-face meetings to argue about things like "my database is better than yours" and "I hate your [braces/indentation/capitalization of variables/length of functions/use of classes]" |
| 19:29.48 | fungus | "My editor does this, so it rulez". |
| 19:30.20 | macnewbold | we had kind of discussed how much a class would be worth to people |
| 19:30.30 | macnewbold | we never came up with anything final, |
| 19:30.47 | macnewbold | and it got complicated a lot when the class was held in conjunction with meetings to develop a group project |
| 19:31.09 | macnewbold | any solution I think would be reasonable would probably be an honor system type of thing, |
| 19:31.18 | macnewbold | where people who are there for the class aspect |
| 19:31.28 | macnewbold | make a donation based on what it was worth to them |
| 19:31.58 | macnewbold | I would never want anyone paying more for a UPHPU-sponsored/affiliated class than they thought it was worth |
| 19:31.59 | jsmith | macnewbold: And what about those of us who are involved in it for the "do something bigger than yourself" aspect? |
| 19:32.24 | macnewbold | since you're not there for the "class", I'd say you probably wouldn't need to donate anything |
| 19:32.37 | jsmith | Except for my time, of course :-) |
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| 19:32.59 | macnewbold | many people there for that reason will be helping, in essence, to teach everyone else just as much as the person standing at the front of the room, |
| 19:33.06 | macnewbold | so they're donating in non-cash ways |
| 19:33.27 | macnewbold | we can still come up with something more formal for those who want to try for tuition reimbursement through their employer or something |
| 19:56.39 | dataw0lf|w | cycokilr: Dude! join #urapug quick! |
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| 19:58.54 | vontrapp | does anyone in here know how (and if it's possible) to add an event handler (onclick, onmouseover, etc) to an element after the fact (like in an init function)? |
| 19:59.37 | vontrapp | i've played around some, and i can put add a function name as the handler (el.onclick = funcNAme) |
| 20:00.01 | vontrapp | but how would I give it arguments? such as "this" |
| 20:00.59 | vontrapp | if i do ... = funcName(arg) it expectedly evaluates the function call then and there |
| 20:01.09 | vontrapp | quoting the thing doesn't help |
| 20:01.16 | vontrapp | i just get nothing that way |
| 20:02.11 | bigdog_ut | vontrapp, i had a buddy just ask me about this...here are some links |
| 20:02.21 | bigdog_ut | 13:20:14) Ray Hunter: let me grab you a tutorial that is easy to follow |
| 20:02.21 | bigdog_ut | (13:20:59) Ray Hunter: http://www.w3schools.com/js/js_examples_3.asp |
| 20:02.21 | bigdog_ut | (13:24:39) Ray Hunter: http://www.w3schools.com/htmldom/dom_obj_form.asp |
| 20:02.21 | bigdog_ut | (13:24:55) Ray Hunter: http://www.w3schools.com/js/tryit.asp?filename=tryjs_form_radio |
| 20:02.21 | bigdog_ut | (13:25:26) Ray Hunter: http://www.w3schools.com/js/tryit.asp?filename=tryjs_form_checkbox |
| 20:26.18 | vontrapp | i can't find anything relevant in those links |
| 20:30.58 | mindjuju | i'd need more info on what your trying to do, but it sounds like you want a button, where when you click, a second appears and the second button appears, it has its own onclick functionality |
| 20:31.01 | mindjuju | is that correct? |
| 20:31.15 | vontrapp | not exactly |
| 20:31.57 | vontrapp | i have a bunch of elements (td) and i want to set the event handlers for each without having to put it in the html |
| 20:32.38 | vontrapp | like fo (i = 0; i < elements.length; i++) { elements[i].onclick = dosomething; } |
| 20:32.43 | vontrapp | s/fo/for/ |
| 20:33.37 | vontrapp | i've been able to get it to call a function that way |
| 20:33.37 | mindjuju | oh! hmm... never thought about that before. i usually have php do it for me with a loop |
| 20:33.49 | mindjuju | never tried it by manipulating the DOM to do it |
| 20:34.03 | mindjuju | Is this by chance data your getting from a database? |
| 20:34.04 | vontrapp | like say i have a function clicked() elements[i].onclick = clicked works |
| 20:34.27 | vontrapp | but i need to access the element that fired the event, like with onclick = "clicked(this);" |
| 20:34.40 | vontrapp | but i can't do that any way that i've tried |
| 20:34.53 | mindjuju | right, that can be done in PHP, if i'm understanding |
| 20:35.01 | mindjuju | but first i need to konw if your using database data? |
| 20:35.24 | vontrapp | it can be, but with three events on each element, all identical, it just makes the html overly ugly |
| 20:36.09 | mindjuju | well what you do is during the database loop in php when your collecting records from the database, you give your javascript element the i numeral |
| 20:36.10 | vontrapp | using imported data, yes |
| 20:36.21 | mindjuju | so the first time it writes the data its element1 |
| 20:36.26 | mindjuju | then on the next record, element2 |
| 20:38.38 | mindjuju | i say that because i don't think you can affect the DOM in that way |
| 20:39.11 | mindjuju | but if you need each line of data to have a unique javascript function |
| 20:39.22 | vontrapp | i could do foreach ($data_ar as $data) { echo "<td onclick='foo(this)' onmouseover='bar(this)' onmouseout='baz(this)'></td>\n"; } |
| 20:39.34 | mindjuju | exactly! |
| 20:39.39 | vontrapp | but it just puts too much into the html |
| 20:39.44 | vontrapp | i'd like to do it dynamically |
| 20:40.00 | mindjuju | oh i see your complaint about too much html |
| 20:43.27 | mindjuju | does all the data need to hit the same function |
| 20:43.41 | mindjuju | wow, though, you need to pass a parameter |
| 20:44.20 | vontrapp | yes, same function, and the "this" parameter is sufficient |
| 20:44.35 | vontrapp | or same functions, rather |
| 20:45.56 | mindjuju | yuck. i'm going to say that you *could* iterate through the DOM to have that functionality happen. |
| 20:46.07 | mindjuju | but, that code is going to be worse than just having the JS on each line |
| 20:46.22 | mindjuju | but if you do find something clean, i would be very interested in seeing it |
| 20:46.57 | vontrapp | i already have the iteration, not that bad, i just can't get the even handlers right |
| 20:50.23 | vontrapp | the iteration is only three lines (5 if you count the closing braces) |
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| 20:55.31 | beandog | Is there a page somewhere that has all the details on the class project? |
| 21:06.45 | macnewbold | beandog: uphpu.org in the events area has a page about it based on an email I sent to the list last week |
| 21:06.55 | macnewbold | lemme know if it doesn't answer all the questions |
| 21:07.07 | macnewbold | the mail archives have some followups, like directions to the location and such |
| 21:12.21 | vontrapp | kinda wierd |
| 21:12.40 | vontrapp | el.onclick = function() { click(this); } |
| 21:14.57 | beandog | ok thx |
| 21:15.31 | beandog | events? |
| 21:15.37 | vontrapp | yep |
| 21:15.40 | beandog | oh, right side. |
| 21:15.41 | beandog | stupid css |
| 21:16.04 | vontrapp | oh, you're talking about something else :) |
| 21:16.10 | beandog | the whole website is foobarred on my browser for some reason |
| 21:17.40 | beandog | found it, thx |
| 21:35.53 | dataw0lf|w | oh, yeah, forgot |
| 21:35.54 | dataw0lf|w | <3 |
| 21:36.00 | dataw0lf|w | ... |
| 21:36.04 | xilch|w | scroheart! |
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| 23:02.27 | drip | somebody order pizza, we're in it for the long haul tonight |
| 23:05.07 | asynic | heh, same here. |
| 23:37.03 | macnewbold | so drip, asynic: I guess you're not coming to the thing tonight about the project? ;) |
| 23:37.19 | asynic | the what huh? |
| 23:47.18 | xilch|w | macnewbold: I want to go, but we have a HUGE golive tomorrow, so am am buried |
| 23:56.47 | macnewbold | hehe, yeah, I know the feeling |
| 23:56.51 | macnewbold | we'll mis you |