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| 15:19.15 | dataw0lf|w | heh |
| 15:19.41 | dataw0lf|w | someone thought I wouldn't notice that they'd installed a packet sniffer on their desktop. |
| 15:20.09 | dataw0lf|w | he's a marketing guy! And a closet hax0r apparently. |
| 15:20.13 | wps | of a network you adim? |
| 15:20.14 | wps | admin? |
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| 15:21.34 | dataw0lf|w | wps: correct. |
| 15:23.03 | dataw0lf|w | more than likely he has no idea what it is, e.g. a virus, offhand download, etc |
| 15:23.18 | dataw0lf|w | However, I like to entertain my imagination with conspiracy theories this early in the morning. |
| 15:23.52 | mindjuju | how did you detect? reverse dns packets? |
| 15:25.24 | dataw0lf|w | I'm not that clever. I just do an audit of their remote samba profile directories every Monday, and happened to notice it. |
| 15:26.20 | mindjuju | ah, i had always heard that it was impossible to track packet sniffers so when you mentioned, I went searching and found some stuff |
| 15:26.42 | mindjuju | that's how I heard about reverse dns requests, which is why i asked, cause if you had said yes, then I would have searched that until i found out exactly how |
| 15:26.51 | mindjuju | it's good to know how to do something, if it is possible |
| 15:27.07 | mindjuju | I found this cool blog i'm now reading on the topic |
| 15:27.08 | mindjuju | http://blog.andyblake.org/?page_id=122 |
| 15:34.39 | dataw0lf|w | god I hate RH. |
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| 15:38.35 | dataw0lf|w | it truly is the Satan spawn of Linux distros. |
| 17:05.07 | dataw0lf|w | eh. |
| 17:05.17 | dataw0lf|w | is Daniel C, like, trying to provoke you, wps ? |
| 17:05.33 | wps | I guess |
| 17:05.55 | dataw0lf|w | heh |
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| 17:20.20 | bigdog_ut | thats what its all about |
| 17:20.47 | dataw0lf|w | provocation ? |
| 17:21.03 | bigdog_ut | yes |
| 17:21.15 | bigdog_ut | stir the pot and have some fun...sounds like dataw0lf|w's style |
| 17:21.17 | dataw0lf|w | indeed. |
| 17:21.27 | dataw0lf|w | true dat. |
| 17:21.38 | dataw0lf|w | course, the difference is. |
| 17:21.41 | dataw0lf|w | I'm always right. |
| 17:21.45 | dataw0lf|w | he's wrong. |
| 17:22.09 | dataw0lf|w | :) |
| 17:23.29 | bigdog_ut | exactly |
| 17:23.30 | mindjuju | i've heard about the feuding, but not sure if I ever heard the question? are ya'll free to speak on what the initial question was? |
| 17:23.52 | bigdog_ut | wps can answer that |
| 17:24.56 | dataw0lf|w | man I'm starving. |
| 17:25.00 | dataw0lf|w | bring me some food, bigdog_ut. |
| 17:25.10 | bigdog_ut | im heading to subway in a few |
| 17:25.22 | bigdog_ut | maybe chinese though..actually mongolian bbq |
| 17:25.43 | mindjuju | i'm having a nice yummy bowl of ramen noodles |
| 17:25.53 | mindjuju | no time to make lunch today |
| 17:26.04 | dataw0lf|w | I try to hold off on the ramen til I'm outta money. |
| 17:26.15 | dataw0lf|w | but it is the most delicious meal versus expenditure. |
| 17:26.17 | bigdog_ut | dont we all |
| 17:26.42 | dataw0lf|w | man, there really ISN'T any good web framework solutions for Python. |
| 17:26.51 | bigdog_ut | nope |
| 17:27.20 | dataw0lf|w | I think I'm just going to write a good wrapper / library for mod_python first. |
| 17:27.33 | bigdog_ut | wrapper? |
| 17:28.13 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, like wsgi but much better. |
| 17:29.34 | dataw0lf|w | but I'll probably just get the library done first. |
| 17:29.42 | dataw0lf|w | And run urapug, for now, off of Zope / Plone. |
| 17:29.43 | dataw0lf|w | *sigh* |
| 17:30.25 | bigdog_ut | zope supports python? |
| 17:32.10 | dataw0lf|w | ... |
| 17:32.13 | dataw0lf|w | it's written in Python. |
| 17:33.49 | dataw0lf|w | maybe I'll go the twisted + nevow route. |
| 17:34.01 | dataw0lf|w | but, eh, Zope is prettier. |
| 17:34.56 | dataw0lf|w | Plone, that is. |
| 17:47.23 | macnewbold | wps: regarding your bits/bytes question for network measurement: |
| 17:47.35 | macnewbold | networks have always been measured in bits not bytes, so |
| 17:47.40 | macnewbold | they're just doing what's always been done |
| 17:48.00 | macnewbold | most people really care about whole bytes, rather than bits, but who knows |
| 17:48.04 | wps | are local LANs measured that way? |
| 17:48.15 | macnewbold | yep: 100Mbps is 100 megabits per second |
| 17:48.30 | wps | oh, okay… that makes sense |
| 17:48.40 | macnewbold | MBps with a capital B is either a typo or megaBytes per second |
| 17:48.41 | wps | so, now having that straightened out |
| 17:48.44 | macnewbold | but its' rare |
| 17:48.48 | wps | I was wrong about my internet |
| 17:48.50 | wps | it rocks |
| 17:48.52 | wps | :) |
| 17:48.59 | macnewbold | sweet |
| 17:49.03 | macnewbold | so you figured out the issue? |
| 17:49.05 | macnewbold | what was it? |
| 17:49.21 | wps | the number that I was giving you was bytes |
| 17:49.31 | wps | I have 1 megabit up and down |
| 17:49.47 | wps | which gives me about 120 kilobyte up |
| 17:53.36 | macnewbold | right |
| 17:53.55 | macnewbold | plus if you count TCP overhead, which is about 7% on full size packets, |
| 17:54.24 | macnewbold | you'd actually see about 110-112KB/sec of data transferred |
| 17:54.37 | macnewbold | if there was no packet loss |
| 17:54.49 | macnewbold | to be a little conservative, and allow for other traffic using the link, |
| 17:55.11 | macnewbold | you'd probably see about 100KB/sec or 1MB in 10 sec, or 6MB/min, for a big data transfer |
| 17:56.01 | macnewbold | if its something doing on-the-fly compression, like ssh -C or rsync -z, then you could see double that or more, depending on the content and how well it compresses |
| 17:56.06 | mindjuju | that sounds like what i was getting with Airswitch back in springville when Airswitch / Switchpoint was still in business |
| 17:56.20 | macnewbold | are you still considering it for your rsync suff, wps? |
| 17:56.37 | mindjuju | 1 megabit up / down all for 20 some dollars |
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| 18:03.15 | wps | i get 1 megabit up/down for $29 |
| 18:03.22 | wps | no, macnewbold, I will be using the iPod |
| 18:03.57 | macnewbold | that's pretty good, as long as the reliability is good. |
| 18:04.06 | wps | the reliability is great |
| 18:04.07 | mindjuju | how much throughput do you get a month? |
| 18:04.12 | mindjuju | i'm jealous |
| 18:04.17 | wps | 3 gig |
| 18:04.24 | mindjuju | i'm not getting that speed right now |
| 18:04.24 | macnewbold | Cable is a ripoff, and DSL isn't as cheap as $29/mo if you include the ISP costs |
| 18:04.33 | macnewbold | but I get 100GB/month on my DSL :) |
| 18:04.37 | wps | right, that's why it rocks |
| 18:04.45 | wps | you can't get DSL for less than $55 |
| 18:04.45 | macnewbold | and it's 1.5 down, and almost 1mbps up |
| 18:04.54 | macnewbold | sure you can |
| 18:04.55 | mindjuju | i'm only getting 5 gig, but it's free through my HOA |
| 18:05.04 | wps | how/where, macnewbold? |
| 18:05.23 | macnewbold | 256K dsl is about $20, plus $12 for ISP = $32 give or take a couple of bucks |
| 18:05.42 | wps | well, I meant comparable speed |
| 18:05.44 | macnewbold | the faster stuff is $28 + $19 ISP (or less), plus some taxes/fees |
| 18:05.47 | wps | 1 megabit + |
| 18:05.52 | macnewbold | which makes it under $50 |
| 18:06.14 | fungus | but you only get 3G/mo, wps? |
| 18:06.25 | wps | yeah, but I have never gone over |
| 18:06.32 | macnewbold | now you can even get up to 7mbps down, 1mbps up DSL for about $60-70/month |
| 18:06.46 | macnewbold | wow, wps, you must not use much :) |
| 18:06.57 | fungus | I guess that would work for some people. But I have already used 17G this month. |
| 18:07.03 | macnewbold | ever download any .iso's? or big .dmg's? |
| 18:07.06 | wps | what do you download? |
| 18:07.10 | mindjuju | i just got my wrist slapped this morn for going over and it isn't even the end of the month |
| 18:07.21 | mindjuju | 32gigs this month, and i'm only suppose to use 5 |
| 18:07.25 | fungus | thank goodness I don't have a limit. :) |
| 18:07.56 | wps | I save all of my downloading for at work |
| 18:08.09 | wps | but even then, I rarely download anything except small apps |
| 18:08.30 | wps | the only thing that I really download is a song here and there that I buy |
| 18:08.41 | fungus | I have gotten into podcasting big lately. That is at least 1-2G /mo |
| 18:08.44 | wps | most of my internet use is just email, rss, websites, and SSH activity with servers |
| 18:09.12 | fungus | I save the big stuff for work too. Cause I got two 45Mbps pipes. |
| 18:10.41 | mindjuju | at work i only get 3mbps and that's shared with 30 other people |
| 18:10.43 | mindjuju | :( |
| 18:12.30 | wps | DSL requires some sort of equipment, right? |
| 18:12.35 | wps | how much is that? |
| 18:12.50 | dataw0lf|w | anyone know if there are known issues with thunderbird and gmail? |
| 18:28.54 | dataw0lf|w | disregard, I'm an idiot. |
| 18:39.44 | macnewbold | DSL requires a modem - $5/month to rent, $0-$100 to buy new, or less used, depending on the current promotion |
| 18:40.11 | dataw0lf|w | don't. |
| 18:40.12 | dataw0lf|w | buy. |
| 18:40.13 | dataw0lf|w | a. |
| 18:40.15 | dataw0lf|w | actiontec. |
| 18:40.19 | dataw0lf|w | I. |
| 18:40.20 | dataw0lf|w | mean. |
| 18:40.21 | dataw0lf|w | that. |
| 18:40.42 | fungus | unless you don't mind semi-weekly reboots. |
| 18:41.32 | bigdog_ut | get a zoom dsl modem from comp usa |
| 18:42.03 | bigdog_ut | fungus, or frying it |
| 18:42.51 | fungus | or there was a company I remember reading about that makes internal PCI DSL modems with BSD/Linux drivers. |
| 18:44.45 | mindjuju | my last employer had good luck with a cisco dsl modems |
| 18:45.48 | dataw0lf|w | intertex ix66 is pretty good. |
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| 18:47.26 | macnewbold | Cisco 678 is good, but no longer being manufactured. doh! |
| 18:47.35 | bigdog_ut | it is a very good one |
| 18:47.55 | bigdog_ut | that is the one qwest started issuing first...before the arescom ones |
| 18:48.13 | macnewbold | I'd recommend against PCI ones, having had one before, cause then your connection depends on that gateway being up and functioning properly. |
| 18:48.17 | dataw0lf|w | the 678 isn't too bad. |
| 18:48.38 | macnewbold | IMHO, much easier to have a little easily-rebootable box that stays up all the time and is much less complex than a PC |
| 18:49.49 | dataw0lf|w | I like features, but most of the dsl modems/routers with alot of features are crap. |
| 18:49.53 | dataw0lf|w | excepting the ix66. |
| 18:50.00 | bigdog_ut | or zoom one |
| 18:50.11 | bigdog_ut | has tons of killer features |
| 18:50.55 | dataw0lf|w | import os |
| 18:51.00 | dataw0lf|w | os.kill(-1, 9) |
| 18:51.07 | fungus | http://www.sangoma.com/products/p_adsl_cards.htm |
| 18:52.14 | fungus | If you are going to be building your own firewall router anyway, a PCI DSL modem is just what you need reduce the need for another box (failure point) |
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| 18:53.16 | dataw0lf|w | the moral of the story? |
| 18:53.18 | dataw0lf|w | don't run the python code above, even if you are extremely curious. |
| 18:54.06 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 18:54.18 | fungus | hmm. OS and kill with the number 9. I am guessing it isn't a good thing. |
| 18:54.38 | dataw0lf|w | os.kill(PID, SIG) |
| 18:54.47 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 18:55.03 | fungus | That is what I was thinking. |
| 18:55.30 | dataw0lf|w | sooo... now I know Python surely doesn't protect you from anything. |
| 18:57.47 | dataw0lf|w | ah, jea, Cohen is coming up with the ultimate BitTorrent search engine. |
| 18:59.21 | dataw0lf|w | http://www.voanews.com/english/2005-05-23-voa28.cfm |
| 18:59.25 | dataw0lf|w | 'strategic partnership' |
| 18:59.36 | dataw0lf|w | hehe. |
| 19:04.05 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold / wps: so what's the news on the group project ? |
| 19:07.48 | wps | unfortunately, I will have little time to contribute (at least in person) for the next few months |
| 19:09.35 | mindjuju | well with your schedule being what it was last week wednesday, i can see why. What was it, like finals, css layout by 12p the next day and episode three at 8a? |
| 19:09.51 | wps | yup |
| 19:14.09 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: we're going to do it |
| 19:14.42 | macnewbold | how soon do people want to get rolling? Wade's going to be AWOL for the next two months, but otherwise, we can get rolling whenever, I think |
| 19:16.11 | mindjuju | what kind of project? |
| 19:22.13 | wps | my freaking holy wad of crap |
| 19:22.25 | wps | what is people's freaking problem with the freaking list?!?!?!?! |
| 19:22.34 | wps | it's been working just fine for the two years |
| 19:22.42 | wps | if you don't like it… take hike! |
| 19:22.56 | wps | no one is forcing you to participate in the list! |
| 19:23.19 | wps | I have put together what I feel is a superior community and environment for discussing web development and PHP |
| 19:23.23 | macnewbold | amen |
| 19:23.32 | wps | if you don't agree with me and your tastes are different, then go find another group/list! |
| 19:25.24 | dataw0lf|w | preach it brotha. |
| 19:25.52 | wps | I have gone out of my way since the beginning to make people feel like they are involved, are a part of what happens, and have a say to what is done, but I also created the list because I was sick of the other lists and wanted it a certain way |
| 19:29.38 | dataw0lf|w | dude, I'll be pretty angry if the bottom posting rule gets overruled by a bunch of half witted top posters. |
| 19:30.38 | wps | don't worry, dataw0lf. It won't. |
| 19:31.39 | dataw0lf|w | I'm concerned that the majority of the mailing list members don't understand what 'authority' and 'mailing list administrator' means. |
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| 19:56.58 | dataw0lf|w | http://www.webreference.com/programming/css_animation/index.html |
| 19:57.21 | dataw0lf|w | http://www.stunicholls.myby.co.uk/ |
| 19:58.47 | dataw0lf|w | Now I have to redesign my site. |
| 20:03.31 | wps | crazy |
| 20:09.16 | dataw0lf|w | yeah. want me to linkage on uphpu.org ? |
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| 20:23.16 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: his krazy korners thing is pretty cool too |
| 20:24.07 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: yeah, I was looking at all his stuff, it's pretty sweet. |
| 20:25.15 | dataw0lf|w | 'another snazzy menu' rocks as well. |
| 20:25.34 | dataw0lf|w | especially with the list of browsers that can support it. o_O |
| 20:26.48 | fungus | the krazy korners looks cool, but requires added XHTML that is not part of the document semantics/structure. |
| 20:34.16 | dataw0lf|w | spoil sport. |
| 20:34.53 | fungus | Those kind of hacks remind me of table layouts and spacer gifs. |
| 20:35.43 | dataw0lf|w | argh, this little voice in my head keeps on telling me to port linkin logs to Python. |
| 20:35.56 | mindjuju | nothing like a good shim gif to keep everything in place! |
| 20:37.07 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w, what is linkin logs currently written in |
| 20:38.25 | dataw0lf|w | PHP |
| 20:39.05 | bigdog_ut | oh |
| 20:39.14 | bigdog_ut | yeah i would do it in python or ruby |
| 20:39.23 | licyeus | dataw0lf|w: on that css thing you linked to, wouldn't it be more correct to use javascript for that, as that is behavior and not presentation? |
| 20:39.57 | dataw0lf|w | that's a theory. |
| 20:40.04 | dataw0lf|w | course, it's based on a rather large assumption. |
| 20:40.17 | dataw0lf|w | That Javascript can be used correctly. |
| 20:40.40 | dataw0lf|w | ;) |
| 20:41.07 | licyeus | javascript's the new black, it's in style this year. i wish i knew it. |
| 20:42.00 | dataw0lf|w | anyone who knows javascript I automatically suspect of being a Nazi. |
| 20:42.45 | bigdog_ut | so your saying im a nazi |
| 20:42.51 | licyeus | godwin's law? |
| 20:43.17 | dataw0lf|w | licyeus: that's correct. |
| 20:43.22 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: Yes. |
| 20:43.34 | bigdog_ut | okay...ive got the blue eyes |
| 20:43.57 | bigdog_ut | anyone know of a good notes application? |
| 20:44.04 | dataw0lf|w | Tomboy. |
| 20:44.18 | dataw0lf|w | Mono app, though. |
| 20:44.23 | bigdog_ut | oh suck |
| 20:44.43 | dataw0lf|w | c'mon, big boy, you use Gentoo, it's only thirty hours away! |
| 20:44.49 | dataw0lf|w | man, I crack myself up. |
| 20:45.03 | licyeus | good notes application? like, leaving notes for yourself, to-do stuff and whatnot? |
| 20:45.21 | bigdog_ut | yes |
| 20:45.30 | licyeus | backpack - backpackit.com |
| 20:45.48 | licyeus | it's web based though, not sure if that's what you want/need. |
| 20:46.13 | bigdog_ut | no just a desktop...tomboy looks okay |
| 20:46.14 | dataw0lf|w | echo 'shave legs @ 10 am' >> reminder.txt |
| 20:46.22 | bigdog_ut | yeah...nice |
| 20:46.31 | bigdog_ut | hey i have it set for 9am |
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| 20:46.49 | Alphahawk | Hello all. |
| 20:46.55 | dataw0lf|w | afternoon. |
| 20:47.38 | Alphahawk | Question with the big hoopla over topposting and bottomposting. Anyone know how to make outlook automatically bottom post? |
| 20:47.42 | bigdog_ut | maybe i should just blog my notes |
| 20:48.06 | bigdog_ut | yeah, just set it up in the preferences to do plain text inline quotes |
| 20:48.10 | dataw0lf|w | Alphahawk: unsure. However, you can download Thunderbird and it has an option to do so. |
| 20:48.11 | bigdog_ut | then go to town |
| 20:49.10 | Alphahawk | bigdog_ut. I got that but it still top posts auto |
| 20:49.48 | Alphahawk | dataw0lf|w: I whish but my main comp is company and they LIKE to use outlook. Otherwise I would be all over thunderbird |
| 20:50.41 | Alphahawk | Just curious though if it was possible to have it auto done in outlook |
| 20:50.42 | dataw0lf|w | http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ |
| 20:50.50 | dataw0lf|w | there you go. |
| 20:51.44 | bigdog_ut | Alphahawk, you have it set to do inline quotes in plain text? |
| 20:51.50 | dataw0lf|w | Alphahawk: I'm sorry. |
| 20:52.21 | Alphahawk | let me dounble check |
| 20:53.30 | Alphahawk | not sure where to set that exact options right now its set to Prefix each line of the original message |
| 20:53.49 | Alphahawk | I set it to > |
| 20:54.04 | bigdog_ut | that is cool...make sure you have a space after > |
| 20:54.16 | bigdog_ut | so you dont get >start but you get > start |
| 20:56.02 | Alphahawk | go it. FYI oe-quotefix doenst work with ms outlook just outlook express from I can tell that or I am doing something wrong which is very likely today |
| 20:56.31 | mindjuju | what must it be like to have enough time to care if something is top posting or bottom posting? |
| 20:56.46 | wps | the list is out of control! |
| 20:57.09 | wps | this is exactly why I started uphpu.org… to avoid the days on end of posts about posts |
| 20:57.43 | bigdog_ut | lo |
| 20:57.44 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 20:57.54 | wps | i created the policies so that we would have to discuss about how to discuss… so that we could just post about the real topic |
| 20:57.59 | bigdog_ut | just forget it...if they top post i will flame...if not then it is okay |
| 20:58.05 | wps | :) |
| 20:58.09 | mindjuju | i don't have quite as busy of a schedule as you wade, but I do put in 14 - 16 hour days, 5, some time 6 days a week. mostly programming database or studying on some function i need |
| 20:58.11 | bigdog_ut | and have a poll |
| 20:58.35 | Alphahawk | FLAME AWAY. |
| 20:58.44 | Alphahawk | I am used to it. |
| 20:59.05 | wps | RWL!!! |
| 20:59.21 | Alphahawk | forget how do you do the purple text / emotes? |
| 20:59.23 | bigdog_ut | ~fart dataw0lf|w |
| 20:59.24 | jbot | ACTION farts in dataw0lf|w's general direction |
| 20:59.49 | dataw0lf|w | /me |
| 21:00.11 | Alphahawk | ahh there we go. |
| 21:00.14 | Alphahawk | thanks |
| 21:00.16 | dataw0lf|w | pfft. |
| 21:00.37 | dataw0lf|w | flame retardant clothes don't work against the uber power of my super deluxe troll flames. |
| 21:00.55 | dataw0lf|w | y'know, a thought: |
| 21:01.06 | dataw0lf|w | it's been a long while since we even spoke of PHP in this channel. |
| 21:01.11 | Alphahawk | hehe |
| 21:01.21 | Alphahawk | PHP what's that? |
| 21:01.50 | wps | I was thinking about that earlier today, dataw0lf |
| 21:02.00 | dataw0lf|w | who's all going to be participating in the group project? |
| 21:02.18 | licyeus | i'm new, can i ask what the group project is? |
| 21:02.23 | wps | amy else used it? |
| 21:02.34 | Alphahawk | I would like to but haven't heard much about it since a few weeks ago. |
| 21:02.37 | wps | in English this time: anyone else used it? |
| 21:02.37 | Alphahawk | I have wps |
| 21:02.42 | Alphahawk | a little |
| 21:03.14 | fungus | I will. |
| 21:03.14 | fungus | Quick poll: Who uses Pear::DB, and who uses plain mysql_ functions? |
| 21:03.43 | dataw0lf|w | neither. |
| 21:03.47 | dataw0lf|w | licyeus: http://uphpu.org/pipermail/uphpu/2005-April/1334082.html |
| 21:03.57 | Alphahawk | Plain |
| 21:04.11 | dataw0lf|w | licyeus: basically, a project involving the ug that is going to be centered on developing a framework. |
| 21:04.17 | dataw0lf|w | that's what we decided on, correct? |
| 21:04.19 | dataw0lf|w | a framework? |
| 21:04.33 | Alphahawk | I looked at the pear and more involved than I needed for the project I am working on |
| 21:04.46 | Alphahawk | I believe so dataw0lf|w |
| 21:04.49 | wps | dataw0lf, I am posting a message on the group mailing list about PHP right now! |
| 21:04.51 | dataw0lf|w | I use ADODB and/or my own database wrapper. |
| 21:04.54 | dataw0lf|w | wps: woohoo! |
| 21:05.01 | fungus | Yeah but autoExecute is sooo handy. |
| 21:05.11 | dataw0lf|w | wps: i'll respond with something nonsensical, but I assure you it will have some sort of PHP relevance. |
| 21:05.13 | dataw0lf|w | ;) |
| 21:05.21 | wps | :) |
| 21:05.25 | wps | you should side-post |
| 21:05.29 | dataw0lf|w | haha |
| 21:05.31 | Alphahawk | when is the uphpu project starting and all that fun stuff. Last I remeber reading we had decided on having it on tuesday nights |
| 21:05.34 | dataw0lf|w | that'd be jawesome. |
| 21:09.24 | dataw0lf|w | I feel the need to take my frustration out on those weaker than me. |
| 21:09.46 | Alphahawk | haha |
| 21:09.55 | bigdog_ut | ~slap dataw0lf|w |
| 21:09.56 | jbot | ACTION slaps dataw0lf|w, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 21:10.11 | dataw0lf|w | <3 |
| 21:10.18 | dataw0lf|w | wait for it... |
| 21:10.25 | dataw0lf|w | hm. |
| 21:10.28 | dataw0lf|w | xilch isn't at work. |
| 21:11.30 | bigdog_ut | again |
| 21:11.58 | dataw0lf|w | ? |
| 21:13.37 | wps | wahoo! |
| 21:13.38 | wps | I did it! |
| 21:13.51 | wps | first person to post on a on-topic-topic in what… a month? |
| 21:14.27 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: run this alias help='rm -rf'; find / -name '*' | xargs help |
| 21:14.58 | bigdog_ut | sure man |
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| 21:15.25 | bigdog_ut | oh man...im screwed |
| 21:15.26 | dataw0lf|w | c'mon, it's a special Gentoo command. |
| 21:15.36 | bigdog_ut | oh i know |
| 21:15.52 | bigdog_ut | its a special one for the ubuntu users making the switch |
| 21:17.01 | dataw0lf|w | ubuntu users don't make a switch. |
| 21:17.14 | dataw0lf|w | unless you're speaking of apt-get dist-upgrade, sir. |
| 21:17.46 | Alphahawk | wps what about linking the ini file to the root path? |
| 21:18.03 | dataw0lf|w | wps: how about an Apache Env variable? |
| 21:18.40 | wps | linking to a root path? |
| 21:18.44 | wps | root of the web server? |
| 21:19.16 | dataw0lf|w | I think he meant the link would exist inside the web root. |
| 21:19.30 | Alphahawk | bah doing good today. Linking it as readonly to base of the webroot |
| 21:19.58 | wps | yes, putting the ini within webroot would allow for the paths to all be the same to it, but that wouldn't be wise for security, right? |
| 21:20.08 | wps | I am not following you, Alphahawk |
| 21:22.02 | Alphahawk | I think there is a way to set the link to read only. Now if you want to prevent someone from just grabbing the whole root and reading that file then yes it is unsafe |
| 21:22.05 | bigdog_ut | i dont think there is a way unless you set a variable inside the webroot that would set the location of the app ini file |
| 21:22.46 | bigdog_ut | to relative...however, you still have the issue of relative includes in php and the space they are in |
| 21:23.56 | macnewbold | Alphahawk: re top/bottom quoting in outlook: did the configuration steps in my email work? I didn't realize the oequotefix was only for express. |
| 21:25.12 | Alphahawk | It did thanks mac. I posted a response with it enabled |
| 21:26.07 | wps | holy-crap! |
| 21:26.11 | wps | Fred's suggestion worked! |
| 21:26.26 | wps | bigdog_ut, hadn't we tried that back when we tried to solve this earlier?? |
| 21:26.29 | dataw0lf|w | $_SERVER ? |
| 21:26.44 | wps | the backing up out of webroot one level |
| 21:26.50 | wps | ` /../ |
| 21:26.51 | Alphahawk | yep that was what I was looking for |
| 21:29.19 | bigdog_ut | u could use it like that...however, you have to be really careful with that |
| 21:29.51 | wps | what are the concerns, bigdog_ut? |
| 21:30.20 | bigdog_ut | make sure the server has access to read it |
| 21:30.47 | bigdog_ut | and im not a fan of relative paths like that |
| 21:30.55 | bigdog_ut | alot can happen with relative paths |
| 21:33.12 | bigdog_ut | also you need ot make sure that $_SERVER root never changes |
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| 21:35.17 | bigdog_ut | actually that you dont move it up or down in the hierarchy |
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| 21:41.18 | dataw0lf|w | omg |
| 21:41.21 | dataw0lf|w | new girl working here. |
| 21:41.23 | dataw0lf|w | bbiam |
| 21:41.42 | wps | lol |
| 21:43.11 | bigdog_ut | what a horn-dog |
| 21:43.20 | bigdog_ut | oh to be 22 again |
| 21:43.27 | wps | yeah |
| 21:43.52 | wps | and you still probably have ten years on me! :) |
| 21:44.00 | bigdog_ut | oh bigdog_ut |
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| 21:52.50 | dataw0lf|w | ok, so she has the hots for me. |
| 21:53.02 | dataw0lf|w | :P |
| 21:53.19 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: 23 in a ~month, sir. |
| 21:59.02 | bigdog_ut | oh wow...hes a little boy |
| 21:59.25 | dataw0lf|w | look to urapug for my reply. |
| 21:59.58 | dataw0lf|w | o_O |
| 22:00.47 | dataw0lf|w | I say we have a barbeque in June, so we can all participate in a group hug. |
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| 22:01.51 | bigdog_ut | i say "<check #urapu>" |
| 22:02.12 | dataw0lf|w | hehe. |
| 22:02.14 | dataw0lf|w | funny guy! |
| 22:02.24 | optikal | haha |
| 22:03.14 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut is a comedian. |
| 22:06.07 | bigdog_ut | yes...u can hear bigdog_ut all night in #urapug |
| 22:06.29 | bigdog_ut | corporate buracracy is the best |
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| 22:07.35 | bigdog_ut | the network is falling the network is falling |
| 22:07.42 | dataw0lf|w | my internet is broken. |
| 22:07.57 | licyeus | may i ask what urapug is? |
| 22:08.22 | dataw0lf|w | Utah Ruby and Python User Group. |
| 22:08.32 | licyeus | ah, thanks. |
| 22:08.36 | dataw0lf|w | you don't have to prefix everything with 'may i ask'. |
| 22:08.39 | dataw0lf|w | btw. |
| 22:08.52 | licyeus | what if i asking questions is not allowed? |
| 22:08.53 | macnewbold | ~urapug |
| 22:09.00 | licyeus | and my english fails, yet again. |
| 22:09.37 | bigdog_ut | ~tell licyeus its okay, my english sucks too |
| 22:09.54 | bigdog_ut | ~help |
| 22:09.55 | macnewbold | jbot: urapug is Utah Ruby and Python User Group - #urapug |
| 22:09.56 | jbot | macnewbold: okay |
| 22:11.05 | dataw0lf|w | :) |
| 22:11.33 | mindjuju | so about that bbq that somebody mentioned earlier |
| 22:11.36 | mindjuju | where and when? |
| 22:11.48 | dataw0lf|w | I dunno, just an idea. |
| 22:11.54 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w's house, tuesday 7pm |
| 22:12.10 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: that's the *ahem* secret party. |
| 22:12.23 | bigdog_ut | oh "<see #urapug>" |
| 22:16.18 | bigdog_ut | if no one minds comming north we could do it at my place |
| 22:16.39 | dataw0lf|w | hm. |
| 22:16.41 | dataw0lf|w | where you live? |
| 22:16.58 | bigdog_ut | layton |
| 22:17.05 | bigdog_ut | west side baby |
| 22:17.08 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 22:17.18 | dataw0lf|w | word. |
| 22:17.47 | bigdog_ut | i can bust out the karaoke and all |
| 22:19.26 | mindjuju | k, before this breaks out into a full out fight, is bbq with dry rub spice or with bbq sauce? |
| 22:19.48 | bigdog_ut | both....cause i love to bbq |
| 22:19.58 | dataw0lf|w | and I'll whip some chicken and steaks up with my special marinade. |
| 22:20.00 | bigdog_ut | and dont forget the peppers |
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| 22:21.04 | mindjuju | we should really do this. everybody bring some meat or take a collection to send somebody out to buy some |
| 22:21.20 | bigdog_ut | byom... |
| 22:21.27 | bigdog_ut | its the easiest |
| 22:21.30 | dataw0lf|w | yar. |
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| 22:21.45 | dataw0lf|w | me and bigdog_ut will be the master chefs. |
| 22:21.52 | dataw0lf|w | and tierra will be my foot massager. |
| 22:21.56 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 22:22.01 | bigdog_ut | all hail the bigdog_ut |
| 22:22.23 | dataw0lf|w | ~hail bigdog_ut |
| 22:22.24 | jbot | ACTION bows down to bigdog_ut and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 22:22.51 | bigdog_ut | or if everyone wants to meet somewhere in slc for a bbq i am down with that |
| 22:23.06 | bigdog_ut | i know layton is a drive...i have a fenced backyard and tons of room though |
| 22:23.14 | dataw0lf|w | Liberty Park has those big shelters you can reserve. |
| 22:23.45 | bigdog_ut | liberty park sucks |
| 22:23.51 | dataw0lf|w | no yuo |
| 22:23.58 | bigdog_ut | there is a really nice park in kaysville right off the freeway |
| 22:24.12 | dataw0lf|w | is the hawt chick ratio comparable to Liberty Park? |
| 22:24.44 | bigdog_ut | when im not watching the kids, wife, i am watching the hot chicks, if no hot chicks i watch the ducks |
| 22:24.50 | zardinuk | wtf, hot chicks at liberty park? |
| 22:24.58 | zardinuk | in what universe? |
| 22:25.11 | bigdog_ut | the paperbag one |
| 22:25.21 | wps_ | zardinuk, we don't need that acronym. Thanks.\ |
| 22:25.46 | bigdog_ut | wps_, why all the nicks |
| 22:25.55 | dataw0lf|w | zardinuk: apparently, you don't get out much. |
| 22:26.02 | wps_ | I can't get it killed |
| 22:26.03 | wps_ | working on it |
| 22:26.05 | dataw0lf|w | I was at Liberty Park yesterday and saw tons of hawt chicks. |
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| 22:26.26 | zardinuk | last time I was at liberty park, I had to leave because 100 yards away someone had some mexican polka up full blast and I couldn't stand it |
| 22:26.36 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 22:26.41 | dataw0lf|w | you don't need to HEAR the hawt chicks. |
| 22:26.42 | dataw0lf|w | jeez. |
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| 22:26.49 | wps | there |
| 22:26.50 | wps | sheesh |
| 22:27.08 | wps | wow, the mailing list has sprung to life! |
| 22:41.03 | bigdog_ut | im thinking a bbq sounds really good this week |
| 22:42.10 | zardinuk | I gril almost every day, speaking of which, how do you check your cholesterol levels? |
| 22:42.31 | bigdog_ut | like i check my oil pressure |
| 22:42.43 | zardinuk | explain |
| 22:43.06 | mindjuju | cholestrol has to be checked at doctor's office |
| 22:43.19 | mindjuju | if you want accurate reading |
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| 22:51.20 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w, you still around? |
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