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| 00:51.56 | macnewbold | ~bug |
| 00:51.57 | jbot | rumour has it, bug is This is commonly an error in design or programming in a hardwaredevice or piece of software. The effects of a bug may be as harmless asan extra graphic on the screen, or as harmful as a system crash or lossof data. See also Feature. |
| 00:52.31 | macnewbold | jbot, bug is also n: A son of a glitch. |
| 00:52.32 | jbot | macnewbold: okay |
| 00:52.34 | macnewbold | ~bug |
| 00:52.35 | jbot | i heard bug is This is commonly an error in design or programming in a hardwaredevice or piece of software. The effects of a bug may be as harmless asan extra graphic on the screen, or as harmful as a system crash or lossof data. See also Feature. n: A son of a glitch. |
| 00:52.52 | mindjuju | nice |
| 00:54.11 | macnewbold | ~feature |
| 00:54.12 | jbot | methinks feature is A feature is something that a piece of hardware or software is designed to do. Many things that appear to be bugs are actually features. Often, a hardware or software developer will have to make a tradeoff in functionality that causes some undesirable effects. If they are aware of this and accept it, it is not a bug, but a feature. |
| 00:54.16 | macnewbold | ~bug |
| 00:54.17 | jbot | [bug] n: A son of a glitch. An error in design or programming in hardware or software. Effects range from cosmetic errors to system crash and loss of data. See also Feature. |
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| 01:19.30 | macnewbold | so how many of the people in here were at the meeting last night? |
| 01:19.41 | macnewbold | I'm curious to know who I saw in person that I know from IRC |
| 01:30.01 | mindjuju | the only people's whose handle i know are yours and wade's |
| 02:22.06 | mindjuju | mac? |
| 02:23.04 | mindjuju | any sql pros in the house? |
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| 04:07.50 | wps | is Daniel C. in here? |
| 04:59.14 | dataw0lf | No, unfortunately. |
| 04:59.19 | dataw0lf | :/ |
| 05:01.17 | wps | I think that he's had a little too much caffeine |
| 05:01.20 | wps | quite verbose this evening |
| 05:01.22 | wps | :) |
| 05:03.12 | dataw0lf | hehe, no kidding. |
| 05:11.41 | dataw0lf | wps: regarding your post on PLUG, /var/messages will probably have a crapload of errors, and you can cat /proc/mdstat |
| 05:15.19 | dataw0lf | obviously, if you have raidtools installed, that's a good solution. |
| 05:15.31 | dataw0lf | let me look through my bookmarks for something that might help you out. |
| 05:15.54 | dataw0lf | http://www.linux.com/howtos/Software-RAID-HOWTO-6.shtml |
| 05:34.11 | cycokilr | dataw0lf: you around? |
| 05:36.00 | cycokilr | dataw0lf: PC^GOD really wants you to call him.. |
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| 12:48.44 | wps | thanks, dataw0lf |
| 12:49.42 | wps | but I don't have a /var/messages |
| 13:23.57 | dataw0lf|w | wps: erm, /var/log/messages |
| 13:24.37 | wps | ah, great |
| 13:24.39 | wps | thanks |
| 13:35.24 | macnewbold | morning, mindjuju - did you need something yesterday? |
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| 13:47.14 | dataw0lf|w | Does anyone know the valid arguments for top posting?? |
| 13:47.19 | dataw0lf|w | Because I'm confused. |
| 13:52.57 | bigdog_ut | yes |
| 13:53.53 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: I've never heard a good argument for top posting |
| 13:54.17 | macnewbold | it always comes down to laziness, freedom of choice, or "I don't trim and I'm too lazy to scroll" |
| 13:54.18 | dataw0lf|w | I apparently offended Daniel. |
| 13:54.26 | macnewbold | I probably did my share too |
| 13:54.44 | macnewbold | I don't mean to upset him, but it sounds a whole lot like he's just trying to be contradictory. |
| 13:54.54 | dataw0lf|w | has he sent you a private email saying you're an 'a$$hole' ? |
| 13:54.55 | dataw0lf|w | he's just trolling. |
| 13:55.11 | macnewbold | he keeps accusing _us_ of making a huge deal about it, but he's the one that won't just let it die |
| 13:55.28 | dataw0lf|w | 'it's list policy' |
| 13:55.32 | dataw0lf|w | that should be it. |
| 13:55.33 | macnewbold | no, dataw0lf, I didn't get that memo yet. I personally don't think you said anything that offensive to him |
| 13:55.37 | macnewbold | yeah, nuff said |
| 13:55.52 | dataw0lf|w | oh well, escalation is a gift of mine. |
| 13:55.55 | dataw0lf|w | ;) |
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| 14:19.12 | mindjuju | heya mac. while I found the answer to the question from last night, i have a new question on SQL efficency. If i'm pulling records from a database and with the same records find out which were from 14 days ago and which were from today, is it better to do that with 2 queries or is it better to do it with one query and have server code parse the 2? |
| 14:19.18 | mindjuju | or is it about the same ? |
| 14:20.34 | bigdog_ut | mindjuju, create a stored proc to do it |
| 14:20.40 | bigdog_ut | more efficient |
| 14:23.18 | mindjuju | k, i was thinking SQL was the better of the two and was leaning on having SQL do it, but, if I have a stored proc do it, how will i deferentiate script wise between the records that are more than 14 days old? |
| 14:23.59 | bigdog_ut | stored proc would do it for you |
| 14:33.39 | bigdog_ut | mindjuju, you can do it in sql queries and have 2 queries that is fine |
| 14:33.58 | bigdog_ut | if you want to be efficent then stored procs are the way to go if you need to do more than one query |
| 14:34.27 | bigdog_ut | also i would suggest checking out the explain command to make sure your queries are optimized |
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| 15:22.04 | dataw0lf|w | wps: good mailing list posts. |
| 15:22.19 | wps | thanks :) |
| 15:22.32 | wps | the thing that just blows my mind is that people just don't get it |
| 15:22.55 | wps | the issue isn't top or bottom… the issue is that this list already has it's method and you'd better respect it |
| 15:23.42 | bigdog_ut | agreed |
| 15:24.14 | wps | campaign for changes… rally the troops… run for office, but you'd better respect the culture in the mean time or you're going to be flogged |
| 15:24.57 | dataw0lf|w | http://mailformat.dan.info/quoting/top-posting.html |
| 15:26.11 | wps | and in regards to top vs. bottom, the thing that I think is interesting is that they don't have any reasons besides laziness |
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| 15:28.57 | dataw0lf|w | wps: yeah, basically. |
| 15:38.42 | wps | a question about SSH-ing to another box |
| 15:39.17 | dataw0lf|w | shoot. |
| 15:39.25 | wps | I love having the same user name on my server as on my workstation because then when I SSH I don't have to specify my username… because it will automatically try my own first before erroring |
| 15:39.42 | wps | for example, if I am 'wade' on my workstation and 'wade' on my server, then I can just |
| 15:39.45 | wps | ssh server |
| 15:39.46 | wps | instead of |
| 15:39.49 | wps | ssh wade@server |
| 15:39.59 | dataw0lf|w | right. |
| 15:40.07 | wps | my current employer is requiring that I have my username be 'wades' though |
| 15:41.08 | wps | can I set "ssh wades@work_server" as an alias or something so that I don't have to type it all? |
| 15:41.10 | drip | make an alias. |
| 15:41.17 | drip | yep |
| 15:41.17 | dataw0lf|w | sure |
| 15:41.31 | wps | with an alias I would probably just have to type "work_server", huh |
| 15:41.36 | drip | alias server='ssh wades@work_server' |
| 15:41.46 | wps | awesome, I will do that |
| 15:41.49 | fungus | or better, in your ~/.ssh/config file add these two lines |
| 15:41.50 | wps | I am new to aliases |
| 15:41.58 | fungus | Host work_server |
| 15:42.04 | fungus | Username wades |
| 15:42.09 | wps | just set my first up the other day for rsync-ing |
| 15:42.53 | fungus | see: man ssh_config |
| 15:43.16 | fungus | and correction. s/Username/User/ |
| 15:43.17 | bigdog_ut | fungus has the best approach and the proper way |
| 15:43.37 | dataw0lf|w | the 'proper' way, if you don't actually want an alias |
| 15:43.51 | dataw0lf|w | but if you just want to do a simple command to connect, use an alias. |
| 15:43.57 | bigdog_ut | correct...alias is dependent on the shell script to set it up |
| 15:44.37 | wps | the nice part of an alias is you even less to type |
| 15:44.39 | dataw0lf|w | I think Wade was looking for an alias though. |
| 15:45.06 | bigdog_ut | yeah depends though |
| 15:45.28 | fungus | us an alias to shorten the command, but use .ssh/config to specify ssh parameters. |
| 15:45.50 | fungus | because scp and sftp will use the .ssh/config too. |
| 15:45.55 | dataw0lf|w | or (maybe even better) set the config, and then alias the ssh command. |
| 15:46.11 | wps | yeah, both sounds bets |
| 15:46.13 | wps | best |
| 15:46.39 | bigdog_ut | i tend to do the config for the sftp too |
| 15:46.42 | wps | how do you have multiple host/user pairs in .ssh/config? |
| 15:47.26 | fungus | just add another Host entry |
| 15:47.43 | wps | how does it know which user goes with which host? |
| 15:47.49 | wps | user just always goes beneath host? |
| 15:47.52 | fungus | yup |
| 15:47.55 | wps | got it |
| 15:47.56 | wps | thanks |
| 15:48.14 | wps | aliases rock! |
| 15:48.26 | wps | man, where have I been all these years |
| 15:48.34 | dataw0lf|w | under a rock :) |
| 15:48.39 | wps | indeed! |
| 15:48.45 | dataw0lf|w | I've stopped using aliases as frequently as I used to. |
| 15:48.59 | fungus | You can also use "Host *" to specify default options. |
| 15:54.05 | wps | should I unsubscribe Daniel C.? |
| 15:54.09 | wps | I am tired of him |
| 15:54.30 | bigdog_ut | no that is just what he wants |
| 15:54.46 | wps | then we should send him on his way! |
| 15:54.54 | bigdog_ut | but set the policy and then if he does not follow it and after warnings then do it |
| 15:55.23 | wps | well, I was referring to his last email about my typographical error |
| 15:55.31 | wps | he is just being a jerk |
| 15:55.34 | dataw0lf|w | where ? |
| 15:55.39 | wps | just hit the list |
| 15:56.51 | fungus | just silently block him from the list. |
| 15:56.56 | wps | :) |
| 15:59.34 | dataw0lf|w | eh, I don't think you should, but it's up to you. |
| 16:01.28 | dataw0lf|w | I'm responding to a couple flames he's sent me off list. |
| 16:02.01 | bigdog_ut | wps: just make sure the list policy is what you want...then send an email to the list |
| 16:02.06 | bigdog_ut | then warn them if not |
| 16:02.17 | bigdog_ut | then kick if they fail |
| 16:02.42 | bigdog_ut | my thing is that the policy is there...abide or get kicked |
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| 16:06.10 | Lone_Wanderer | So. |
| 16:06.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Top posting. |
| 16:07.52 | fungus | Top posting is a crime worthy of capital punishment. |
| 16:10.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Why? |
| 16:10.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Because it annoys you? |
| 16:10.21 | bigdog_ut | http://mailformat.dan.info/quoting/top-posting.html |
| 16:10.28 | bigdog_ut | read that |
| 16:10.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Mushrooms annoy me. What's your address? I'm coming over to kill you. |
| 16:10.38 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm reading it now, actually. |
| 16:10.56 | Lone_Wanderer | although I think that http://mailformat.dan.info/quoting/bottom-posting.html is probably a more effective argument for your case |
| 16:11.28 | bigdog_ut | true..but inorder to understand bottom-posting you need to understand top-posting |
| 16:11.38 | dataw0lf|w | that goes over the history of top-posting. |
| 16:11.45 | dataw0lf|w | Basically, it's for corporate idiots. |
| 16:11.48 | dataw0lf|w | </troll> |
| 16:12.00 | Lone_Wanderer | anyway, it sounds like the only real reason anyone has for not liking top posting is that they're not smart enough to figure out on their own what's being discussed, so they need the handicap of a bit of quoted text to remind them of what's going on. |
| 16:12.02 | Lone_Wanderer | (also a troll) |
| 16:12.24 | bigdog_ut | actually it is faster to read for bigdog_ut |
| 16:12.31 | bigdog_ut | and easier to search on |
| 16:12.38 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhh, searching |
| 16:13.18 | bigdog_ut | it is very fast to search on when you dont have to read tons of stuff or back trace all the crap |
| 16:13.28 | bigdog_ut | the points are small and direct |
| 16:13.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Actually, I think "it's easier to search on" is the only thing I've heard so far that gives a real reason (as opposed to an "I just like it better" reason) as to why the one is better than the other. |
| 16:13.46 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, but I think you may be confusing post position with trimming |
| 16:13.57 | dataw0lf|w | ... |
| 16:14.00 | bigdog_ut | i combine the 2 |
| 16:14.01 | dataw0lf|w | No. |
| 16:14.12 | dataw0lf|w | It allows you to get to whatever point you're looking for. |
| 16:14.17 | dataw0lf|w | e.g. |
| 16:14.25 | dataw0lf|w | >iptables versus pf |
| 16:14.30 | dataw0lf|w | pf is better |
| 16:14.36 | bigdog_ut | bottom-posting and trimming is the standard |
| 16:14.36 | dataw0lf|w | >FreeBSD versus Linux |
| 16:14.44 | dataw0lf|w | *BSD is better |
| 16:14.51 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf|w: that's just another version of the "it's easier to search on" point, which I've already conceded. |
| 16:15.03 | dataw0lf|w | Lone_Wanderer: I assume you're Daniel? |
| 16:15.06 | Lone_Wanderer | yep |
| 16:15.40 | dataw0lf|w | The one who called me an asshole. |
| 16:16.00 | dataw0lf|w | and |
| 16:16.11 | Lone_Wanderer | I said you were coming across as an asshole, which (though I may not have explained it at the time) is very different from actually calling you one. |
| 16:16.11 | dataw0lf|w | 'You're not so dumb that you can't keep track of what I'm talking about, are you?' |
| 16:16.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, are you? |
| 16:16.29 | optikal | O_o |
| 16:16.34 | dataw0lf|w | 'ou |
| 16:16.34 | dataw0lf|w | just like it your way and you're making up all sorts of baloney to |
| 16:16.34 | dataw0lf|w | support what is nothing more than personal preference.' |
| 16:16.41 | dataw0lf|w | s/ou/You |
| 16:17.05 | dataw0lf|w | 'Just admit that this is nothing more than your own personal opinion, equally as valid as mine, and we can drop all of this and move on.' |
| 16:17.14 | bigdog_ut | this is really not an issue of personal preference |
| 16:17.21 | bigdog_ut | it is a standard that has evolved |
| 16:17.30 | dataw0lf|w | a de facto standard for tech mailing lists. |
| 16:17.34 | dataw0lf|w | But that's besides the point. |
| 16:17.35 | bigdog_ut | whether it is right or not is not the case at point |
| 16:17.42 | dataw0lf|w | It is a SPECIFIED standard of the UPHPU mailing list. |
| 16:17.45 | bigdog_ut | the point is that the policy of the list is stated |
| 16:17.59 | bigdog_ut | many users to mailing lists do not read the policy that is outlined |
| 16:18.02 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf|w: Before I joined this channel, nobody had provided a single reason as to why top posting is better than bottom posting other than personal preference. What else am I supposed to think? |
| 16:18.23 | dataw0lf|w | I don't think you're thinking. |
| 16:18.25 | dataw0lf|w | I think you're trolling. |
| 16:18.35 | dataw0lf|w | Repeatedly. |
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| 16:18.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Also, I should remind you that I'm not actually in favor of top posting, I'm in favor of realizing that it doesn't matter where you post. |
| 16:19.23 | dataw0lf|w | if you realize that, fine, then don't get offended when we bottom post, and set it as the standard for the mailing list. |
| 16:20.04 | bigdog_ut | the issue at hand is that bottom-posting was the standard set up for the list by the list admin |
| 16:20.34 | dataw0lf|w | and the list admin is getting tired of trolled discussions on the topic, and the seemingly lack of respect in responses, specifically by you, Lone_Phone_Call |
| 16:20.57 | dataw0lf|w | So drop it, and adhere to the standards set forth by Wade and others. |
| 16:22.14 | Lone_Phone_Call | meh. |
| 16:22.15 | Lone_Phone_Call | fine |
| 16:27.07 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: oi, I fixed that NIS+/NFS problem on that Tru64 machine, btw. |
| 16:27.15 | bigdog_ut | what was it |
| 16:27.33 | dataw0lf|w | /tmp_mnt permissions |
| 16:27.40 | bigdog_ut | oh |
| 16:27.47 | bigdog_ut | always permissions |
| 16:28.06 | dataw0lf|w | apparently Tru64 4.0f doesn't implement /tmp_mnt permissions correctly by default |
| 16:28.15 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 16:28.37 | dataw0lf|w | No bug listing. |
| 16:28.46 | dataw0lf|w | I had to find that out from a Tru64 Manager. |
| 16:29.09 | dataw0lf|w | but, yeah, I'm still a retard. |
| 16:29.49 | dataw0lf|w | and I'm getting my Tru64 SE cert today. |
| 16:30.10 | optikal | woot |
| 16:30.39 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 16:30.44 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 16:33.08 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w, got my laptop installed with xfce4 now |
| 16:33.10 | bigdog_ut | kinda nice |
| 16:33.17 | dataw0lf|w | Nice. |
| 16:34.29 | bigdog_ut | its nice |
| 16:34.43 | bigdog_ut | actaully have it look like a mac |
| 16:34.51 | bigdog_ut | so i tell people i have a mac now that works |
| 16:40.13 | macnewbold | so who in here uses flyspray? |
| 16:40.50 | dataw0lf|w | I've used it before, not currently however |
| 16:41.21 | wps | dataw0lf: loved the post |
| 16:41.53 | dataw0lf|w | :) |
| 16:43.19 | macnewbold | I've been using flyspray lately and its great |
| 16:43.32 | wps | ~flyspray |
| 16:43.33 | jbot | i guess flyspray is a bug tracking system: http://flyspray.rocks.cc/ |
| 16:43.46 | wps | thanks, jbot |
| 16:43.56 | wps | ah, yes, I remember dataw0lf pointing that out |
| 16:44.02 | macnewbold | very active development going on, and it's sweet. simple, easy to use. |
| 16:44.10 | macnewbold | they're very responsive to fixing bugs and adding features |
| 16:45.14 | Lone_Wanderer | what's Tru64? |
| 16:45.28 | dataw0lf|w | SysV Unix. |
| 16:45.41 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, cool |
| 16:45.41 | dataw0lf|w | Similar to HP-UX |
| 16:45.58 | Lone_Wanderer | I didn't know anyone still used System V (those are the same right?) |
| 16:46.16 | wps | Lone_Wanderer, welcome |
| 16:46.42 | dataw0lf|w | heh, no SysV is just a ... specification / base. |
| 16:47.10 | Lone_Wanderer | oh ok |
| 16:47.14 | dataw0lf|w | if you really wanted to get down to it, Tru64 is a brother to OSF and Ultrix |
| 16:47.16 | macnewbold | ~Lone_Wanderer |
| 16:47.17 | jbot | it has been said that lone_wanderer is Dan Crookston |
| 16:47.18 | dataw0lf|w | and HP-UX |
| 16:47.39 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: Yeah, flyspray really rocks. |
| 16:47.49 | macnewbold | what version are you using? |
| 16:48.21 | dataw0lf|w | I don't use it anymore, I think we were using 0.8 at my previous job. |
| 16:48.41 | macnewbold | oh, wow. It's gotten _so_ much better. They're currently about to release 0.9.8 |
| 16:48.49 | bigdog_ut | of? |
| 16:48.55 | dataw0lf|w | oh, No, we were using 0.9.5 |
| 16:48.58 | macnewbold | even from 0.9.5 to 0.9.7 (what I was using) was huge, |
| 16:49.10 | dataw0lf|w | Really? |
| 16:49.12 | macnewbold | then 0.9.7 to 0.9.8-devel (from their svn) was another great jump |
| 16:49.14 | dataw0lf|w | I should install it on my server. |
| 16:49.40 | macnewbold | the new release should be soon, and it fixes a bunch of problems and adds some nice new stuff |
| 16:50.50 | dataw0lf|w | installing it right now. |
| 16:51.20 | dataw0lf|w | hm, damn. |
| 16:51.23 | dataw0lf|w | repos had 0.9.6 |
| 16:51.27 | dataw0lf|w | I'll patch it when I get time. |
| 16:51.50 | dataw0lf|w | dataw0lf.org/flyspray |
| 16:52.06 | dataw0lf|w | I'll had Linkin Logs to it tonight. |
| 16:52.09 | dataw0lf|w | s/had/add |
| 16:52.19 | *** join/#uphpu mindjuju (~mindjuju@216.20.238.225) |
| 16:52.21 | dataw0lf|w | and maybe this simple Python web framework and the bot I'm doing. |
| 16:53.15 | Lone_Wanderer | woah, cool. when did that get set? |
| 16:53.28 | Lone_Wanderer | (Lone_Wanderer = me I mean) |
| 16:55.13 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: what'd you notice that was a jump from 0.9.6 ? |
| 17:04.43 | macnewbold | I never used 0.9.6 |
| 17:04.55 | macnewbold | I had looked at 0.9.5, cause that was the current freebsd port at the time |
| 17:05.07 | macnewbold | then ended up waiting a few days for the guy to update the port for 0.9.7 |
| 17:05.20 | macnewbold | cause there was stuff on the change log that I really needed |
| 17:05.45 | macnewbold | then a couple of weeks later, I upgraded to 0.9.8 devel from svn, cause there was stuff they had fixed that I really needed. |
| 17:06.57 | dataw0lf|w | cool. |
| 17:07.35 | bigdog_ut | hence the reason to still use cvs for production |
| 17:07.58 | dataw0lf|w | ? |
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| 17:14.31 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: huh? |
| 17:14.52 | bigdog_ut | ur talking svn still |
| 17:15.42 | macnewbold | they chose svn, not me. I just had to grab the files. Though I have learned how to get a diff, and a log from BASE to HEAD :) |
| 17:16.10 | macnewbold | why would cvs be better in production than whatever you noticed I said about svn? |
| 17:16.45 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut never makes sense. |
| 17:16.53 | dataw0lf|w | :P |
| 17:17.15 | dataw0lf|w | he just heard SVN and had a kneejerk reaction to attack it. |
| 17:18.17 | bigdog_ut | always |
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| 17:19.48 | macnewbold | welcome, mpchester |
| 17:20.30 | bigdog_ut | welcome to the freak show |
| 17:20.32 | macnewbold | are you new in here today? |
| 17:27.24 | dataw0lf|w | woohoo! |
| 17:27.46 | dataw0lf|w | I think I've shocked him into silence. |
| 17:37.17 | wps | we have several new people in here toda |
| 17:37.20 | wps | today |
| 17:47.46 | dataw0lf|w | so you should come to the next urapug meeting, wps |
| 17:47.53 | wps | yeah? |
| 17:47.56 | wps | how did that go? |
| 17:48.02 | dataw0lf|w | decently well. |
| 17:48.06 | dataw0lf|w | I was a bit sick. |
| 17:48.14 | dataw0lf|w | dataw0lf.org/intropython.pdf |
| 18:40.31 | bigdog_ut | is back from lunch |
| 18:40.55 | bigdog_ut | just thought everyone should know |
| 18:42.38 | bigdog_ut | ~smack drip |
| 18:42.39 | jbot | ACTION smacks drip upside the head. |
| 18:45.23 | wps | ~drip |
| 18:45.25 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, drip is drop, or lollypop, or nothing but an impertinent thimbleful of antique anal warts, according to jbot |
| 18:45.46 | wps | ouch |
| 18:45.52 | wps | ~wade |
| 18:45.53 | jbot | it has been said that wade is Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 18:46.14 | wps | I am continually amazed by his wisdom |
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| 19:01.08 | beandog | :) |
| 19:01.24 | bigdog_ut | ~judokick beandog |
| 19:01.28 | beandog | Heh |
| 19:02.41 | bigdog_ut | ~kick beandog |
| 19:02.42 | jbot | bugger off sod! |
| 19:02.56 | bigdog_ut | ~dropkick beandog |
| 19:02.57 | jbot | ACTION sends beandog flying like a yipping chihuahua |
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| 19:04.55 | beandog | nice |
| 19:05.00 | beandog | wps: did you ever get your raid figured out |
| 19:05.16 | beandog | I would never top post. |
| 19:05.19 | beandog | Intentionally. |
| 19:05.27 | wps | well, there's not anything wrong currently |
| 19:05.30 | beandog | Don't go searching the archives though |
| 19:05.37 | beandog | Did you figure out how to monitor it? |
| 19:05.39 | wps | I just wanted to know how to check so that I knew when (if) there was a problem |
| 19:05.44 | wps | kind of |
| 19:06.01 | beandog | What raid are you running |
| 19:06.05 | beandog | raid1? |
| 19:06.08 | wps | dataw0lf pointed me to a log file that I could check |
| 19:06.15 | beandog | oh, where? |
| 19:06.15 | wps | hmm... trying to remember |
| 19:06.26 | beandog | Are they one hard drive or are you mirrorring stuff |
| 19:06.26 | wps | ` /var/logs/messages |
| 19:06.35 | wps | two hard drives mirrored |
| 19:06.41 | beandog | ok, raid1 |
| 19:06.45 | beandog | Thats what Im doing |
| 19:06.51 | wps | yeah, raid 1 sounds right |
| 19:07.47 | wps | hmm... "cat /proc/mdstat" on my system returned nothing |
| 19:08.01 | beandog | Is there a file? |
| 19:08.03 | beandog | Hmm |
| 19:08.28 | wps | yes, /proc/mstat exists |
| 19:09.20 | beandog | mdstat |
| 19:09.41 | wps | yeah, typo |
| 19:09.55 | wps | ` /proc/mdstat exists |
| 19:10.28 | beandog | hmm. |
| 19:10.30 | beandog | weerd. |
| 19:11.34 | beandog | Whats your /etc/raidtab say |
| 19:12.21 | wps | don't have that file |
| 19:12.30 | wps | I'm on FC3 |
| 19:12.31 | beandog | Howd you get yours mounted? |
| 19:12.38 | beandog | Just using mdwhatever |
| 19:12.41 | beandog | ? |
| 19:12.51 | wps | umm… good question :) |
| 19:13.34 | beandog | lol |
| 19:13.37 | beandog | what about fdisk -l |
| 19:13.45 | wps | I set them up when I installed the OS |
| 19:13.58 | wps | -bash: fdisk: command not found |
| 19:14.05 | beandog | are you running as root? |
| 19:14.18 | wps | nope |
| 19:14.24 | wps | so I need to be? |
| 19:14.28 | beandog | yah |
| 19:14.44 | beandog | fdisk -l will just list your partitions |
| 19:14.47 | wps | returns nothing |
| 19:14.56 | beandog | man. |
| 19:15.00 | beandog | exito. :) |
| 19:33.27 | wps | beandog: I am scared my RAID is not running |
| 19:34.59 | beandog | Well thats weird its not even showing up |
| 19:35.14 | beandog | what do you get with "mount" |
| 19:35.43 | wps | ` /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 on / type ext3 (rw) |
| 19:35.43 | wps | none on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 19:35.44 | wps | none on /sys type sysfs (rw) |
| 19:35.44 | wps | none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 19:35.44 | wps | usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) |
| 19:35.48 | wps | none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) |
| 19:35.51 | wps | none on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) |
| 19:35.53 | wps | sunrpc on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw) |
| 19:36.10 | beandog | Is your RAID your main harddrive |
| 19:36.28 | wps | not sure how to answer that |
| 19:36.32 | wps | I have two hard drives |
| 19:36.36 | wps | they are the only two in the server |
| 19:36.40 | beandog | Do you boot off your RAID |
| 19:36.40 | wps | and they are RAIDed |
| 19:36.44 | wps | yes |
| 19:36.45 | beandog | Ok |
| 19:37.00 | beandog | I dunno anything about FC3 |
| 19:37.06 | wps | k |
| 19:37.06 | beandog | /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 |
| 19:37.10 | beandog | Dunno what that is. :T |
| 19:37.25 | beandog | On mine though, the mounted raid drive doesnt show up any different, so who knows. |
| 19:37.31 | beandog | /dev/md0 on /mnt/tmp type reiserfs (rw) |
| 19:38.48 | macnewbold | on mine, it's hardware raid, not software, and it's on FreeBSD (duh) so it is /dev/ar0 |
| 19:39.23 | wps | I think mine is hardware RAID too. |
| 19:39.32 | beandog | mac and his crazy BSD setup. ;) |
| 19:39.40 | beandog | ok, mines software |
| 19:39.43 | macnewbold | it's not crazy... :) |
| 19:39.47 | beandog | heh |
| 19:40.08 | beandog | I think mines software at least .. how do you tell, anyway |
| 19:40.16 | dataw0lf|w | ... |
| 19:41.07 | dataw0lf|w | beandog: a hardware raid will appear as one device (i.e., the hardware does the RAID specific stuff) |
| 19:41.17 | dataw0lf|w | beandog: a software RAID is implemented in the... software. |
| 19:41.25 | dataw0lf|w | (the kernel and related modules and tools) |
| 19:41.59 | fungus | my software raids use FreeBSD vinum. |
| 19:42.02 | dataw0lf|w | beandog: software RAIDs are usually cheaper. |
| 19:42.16 | dataw0lf|w | Just because, well, obviously, you're not buying the hardware :) |
| 19:42.32 | dataw0lf|w | http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/s1-raid-approaches.html |
| 19:43.27 | dataw0lf|w | beandog: for example, we have a RAID here that contains 8 IDE disks. |
| 19:43.41 | dataw0lf|w | the RAID box has a normal SCSI controller on it. |
| 19:44.00 | dataw0lf|w | We plug that into a Linux box, and all we see is a single SCSI drive. |
| 19:44.16 | dataw0lf|w | e.g. |
| 19:44.18 | dataw0lf|w | [root@mapserver ~]# df -h /raid2 |
| 19:44.18 | dataw0lf|w | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 19:44.18 | dataw0lf|w | /dev/sda2 2.4T 422G 1.7T 20% /raid2 |
| 19:44.34 | macnewbold | mine's got it in the mobo, but you can do it on a PCI card too |
| 19:44.46 | macnewbold | my raid has 2 SATA and 1 PATA connector |
| 19:45.13 | macnewbold | I only use two of course, cause we're raid 1 :) (or is it 0+1?) |
| 19:45.25 | macnewbold | you could use all three for raid0 though if you wanted |
| 19:46.15 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: RAID 0+1 is a mirrored array with raid 0 elements. |
| 19:46.48 | dataw0lf|w | 'mirrored stripes' jea ? |
| 19:47.06 | macnewbold | I don't recall anymore now :) |
| 19:47.21 | dataw0lf|w | hehe |
| 19:47.30 | macnewbold | I think you're right though, come to think of it - would require 4 drives min. |
| 19:47.35 | macnewbold | we've only got two |
| 19:47.48 | macnewbold | with mirroring and a smart controller, you get all the benefits of striping anyway |
| 19:48.09 | dataw0lf|w | essentially. |
| 19:48.49 | macnewbold | with raid 0+1, you'd be able to read from all 4 drives, and would have to write to all 4 as well |
| 19:49.07 | dataw0lf|w | http://www.pc-pitstop.com/das/arena4800.asp <-- just ordered two more of those :) |
| 19:49.51 | beandog | I think Ive got software then. |
| 19:50.02 | beandog | Its a Promise Fasttrack PCI card with connectors for up to 4 sata drives |
| 19:50.35 | dataw0lf|w | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148060 <-- with these drives. |
| 19:50.47 | dataw0lf|w | <3 the Barracuda |
| 20:00.15 | macnewbold | beandog: sounds like hardware to me... usually if you're doing software raid you'll just have a normal IDE controller, but IIRC the fasttrack cards are raid |
| 20:01.15 | beandog | huh |
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| 20:03.59 | Nuxi | Can php have more than one input stream? |
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| 20:04.51 | wps | jsmith is the man that I need to ask |
| 20:05.01 | wps | jsmith, is there a way that I can check on my RAID? |
| 20:05.28 | wps | to verify that it is running correctly and that my drives are in good condition (no failed). |
| 20:09.20 | beandog | Oh good, mines working |
| 20:09.39 | wps | jsmith, you here? |
| 20:10.01 | macnewbold | Nuxi: what do you mean by "input stream"? Files opened? If so, yes. |
| 20:10.36 | wps | fungus, my .ssh/config file isn't working |
| 20:10.43 | wps | the format is just this right? |
| 20:10.55 | wps | host example.com |
| 20:10.56 | wps | user username |
| 20:11.00 | wps | ? |
| 20:11.50 | wps | ah, there, got it, nevermind |
| 20:11.57 | macnewbold | looks right to me |
| 20:12.06 | macnewbold | see also: man ssh_config |
| 20:12.10 | macnewbold | what was the problem? |
| 20:12.27 | wps | typo :) |
| 20:15.08 | Nuxi | macnewbold, I have a file steam coming in as stderr + 1. I can't for the life of me figure out how to read it. |
| 20:15.27 | macnewbold | CLI or through apache? |
| 20:15.35 | Nuxi | cli |
| 20:16.05 | macnewbold | do you have a sample command line, so I know what you're talking about? |
| 20:16.13 | Nuxi | I am supposed to have stdin, stdout, stderr, and then another channel for audo. |
| 20:16.23 | Nuxi | It's coming from another process that spawns my process. |
| 20:19.59 | macnewbold | Nuxi: try this: |
| 20:20.04 | macnewbold | ~google site:www.php.net stdin OR stdout OR stderr |
| 20:20.08 | macnewbold | there's some good hits on there |
| 20:21.23 | Nuxi | These are for doing the exact opposite. Using proc_open, you can open a bunch of streams to another program. Being that other program, how do I accept? |
| 20:23.20 | dataw0lf|w | proc_open is bidirectional, e.g. read/write |
| 20:23.39 | Nuxi | but I'm the process that was opened. I'm not opening a process. |
| 20:25.22 | macnewbold | http://us3.php.net/manual/en/wrappers.php.php |
| 20:25.30 | macnewbold | http://us3.php.net/fopen |
| 20:25.46 | macnewbold | http://us4.php.net/install.unix.commandline |
| 20:27.09 | macnewbold | Nuxi: you might try asking in #php or #phpfreaks or something, and letting us know if you find anything that helps |
| 20:28.08 | macnewbold | As a workaround, I'd suggest saving that stream to a file, or sending it to a named pipe perhaps, and then opening that within your php, since it actually has a filename that you could reference. |
| 20:28.15 | dataw0lf|w | $h = popen('/path/to/blah 2>&1', 'r'); $stderr = fread($h, 2096); echo $stderr; |
| 20:28.38 | macnewbold | if the stdin in php://stdin is a constant that means 0 or 1 or something, you might try php://3 , but it's not documented that I can see |
| 20:29.29 | Nuxi | I tried that. It might be one of the oddities that php can't do. :( |
| 20:29.38 | macnewbold | Nuxi: dataw0lf has a good point - do you need stdin, stderr, _and_ your extra stream? If you don't need both of stdin and stderr, you could |
| 20:30.04 | macnewbold | send fd 3 to stdout with 3>&1 I think |
| 20:30.21 | macnewbold | (I may have said some of that backwards, but hopefully you know what I mean.) |
| 20:31.17 | Nuxi | ok, let me see if I can do that. |
| 20:32.03 | dataw0lf|w | http://www.cpqlinux.com/redirect.html |
| 20:34.25 | Nuxi | No good, I need stdin and 3. stdout and stderr are open for write. |
| 20:35.32 | Nuxi | http://pastebin.ca/12288 |
| 20:35.58 | Nuxi | I just need to figure out how to make myscript.php read the audio stream. |
| 20:37.15 | dataw0lf|w | what type of audio ? |
| 20:37.31 | dataw0lf|w | PHP has an OGG wrapper. |
| 20:38.32 | Nuxi | It's an audio stream from Asterisk. Just raw wave data. |
| 20:40.05 | dataw0lf|w | Shame. |
| 20:40.36 | dataw0lf|w | Let me switch my mind from Python momentarily so I help you more. |
| 20:40.40 | dataw0lf|w | +can |
| 20:40.52 | dataw0lf|w | it hurts! |
| 20:40.56 | dataw0lf|w | ok, ok. |
| 20:41.47 | Nuxi | This is more complete: http://pastebin.ca/12289 |
| 20:42.11 | cycokilr__ | dataw0lf: hey, did you call PC^GOD? |
| 20:42.53 | dataw0lf|w | cycokilr__: I tried to earlier. |
| 20:43.04 | cycokilr | alright.. i just told him i would remind you.. |
| 20:43.16 | dataw0lf|w | our voip is down, and I don't have long distance on my phone, let him know that. |
| 20:43.21 | dataw0lf|w | (cell phone) |
| 20:43.34 | cycokilr | i haven't seen him lately.. i talked to him last night.. |
| 21:33.19 | macnewbold | Nuxi: are you sure you can't get the audio stream into a file, and read it from there? or a named pipe? |
| 21:33.59 | Nuxi | how would I do that? The C program calls my program. |
| 21:34.18 | macnewbold | what c program? |
| 21:34.22 | macnewbold | asterisk? |
| 21:34.25 | Nuxi | yup |
| 21:34.42 | macnewbold | and the _only_ way it will pass in data is on stdin and fd3? |
| 21:35.11 | Nuxi | That's the way EAGI works. |
| 21:35.24 | macnewbold | ~EAGI |
| 21:35.33 | macnewbold | what's EAGI? |
| 21:35.35 | macnewbold | ~define EAGI |
| 21:35.40 | macnewbold | ~dict EAGI |
| 21:35.45 | macnewbold | ~acronym EAGI |
| 21:35.48 | dataw0lf|w | asterisk |
| 21:35.52 | Nuxi | http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Asterisk%20AGI |
| 21:36.04 | Nuxi | It's agi with an attached audio stream. |
| 21:37.03 | macnewbold | k |
| 21:37.14 | macnewbold | you probably could ask jsmith, he's an Asterisk guru |
| 21:37.21 | macnewbold | you could ask in #asterisk |
| 21:37.36 | macnewbold | or you could make your program in a language other than PHP |
| 21:37.46 | macnewbold | like maybe perl, python, ruby, etc.? |
| 21:37.50 | macnewbold | or even C |
| 21:37.51 | Nuxi | I think the only language that has support for this is C. |
| 21:37.56 | dataw0lf|w | heh. |
| 21:37.57 | dataw0lf|w | No. |
| 21:38.01 | dataw0lf|w | Python has support for it. |
| 21:38.09 | dataw0lf|w | So does Perl, if I'm not mistaken. |
| 21:38.18 | macnewbold | perl does too. if you wanted, you could also make a wrapper program in one of those languages, |
| 21:38.19 | Nuxi | I'm working on the phpagi library. Doing it in C would kinda be silly. |
| 21:38.27 | macnewbold | and have it save it to a file then call your php script :) |
| 21:38.49 | macnewbold | ah-ha! Nuxi, thanks for that info |
| 21:38.50 | macnewbold | that helps a lot |
| 21:38.57 | Nuxi | The people in #perl didn't seem to know. I thought it ight be similar for php. |
| 21:40.05 | Nuxi | It's wouldn't be hard to patch php to do it, but I don't expect many sysadmins to like that idea. |
| 21:40.15 | macnewbold | in perl you can open "<&3" and get fd#3 |
| 21:40.27 | macnewbold | you could maybe do something similar in PHP, but I don't know |
| 21:41.17 | Nuxi | failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /tmp/test.php on line 3 |
| 21:41.19 | Nuxi | nope. |
| 21:41.21 | macnewbold | k |
| 21:41.31 | macnewbold | that might have to be a popen or something |
| 21:42.02 | macnewbold | it sounds like you need to ask a php developer or someone acquainted with its guts, or maybe file a bug saying fd3 can't be opened |
| 21:42.09 | macnewbold | a patch would be bad probably |
| 21:42.23 | macnewbold | but a wrapper program would probably be workable... |
| 21:42.33 | macnewbold | either that, or you just plain can't do it :) |
| 21:43.11 | Nuxi | that's my fear. But I've only spent a few hours trying to figure it out. |
| 21:43.21 | macnewbold | oh, okay |
| 21:43.24 | macnewbold | well, good luck! |
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| 21:43.34 | macnewbold | let us know if you figure it out... you've got me curious now |
| 21:43.56 | jsmith | Asterisk? |
| 21:43.57 | jsmith | What? |
| 21:44.01 | jsmith | Did I hear Asterisk? |
| 21:45.03 | Nuxi | I'm trying to get EAGI working with php. |
| 21:45.11 | jsmith | OK... |
| 21:45.21 | Nuxi | I need to open stdin, stdout, stderr, and stderr+1. |
| 21:45.28 | jsmith | OK. |
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| 21:45.36 | Nuxi | how do you open stderr+1? |
| 21:45.43 | jsmith | Gimme a second... |
| 21:45.47 | dataw0lf|w | oops, wrong channel. |
| 21:45.53 | dataw0lf|w | dwPyBot: version |
| 21:45.59 | Nuxi | I'm working on phpagi version 2 |
| 21:46.07 | dataw0lf|w | dwPyBot: report |
| 21:46.16 | dataw0lf|w | dwPyBot: cycle |
| 21:46.24 | dataw0lf|w | dwPyBot: die |
| 21:46.46 | dataw0lf|w | hmz. |
| 21:46.53 | dataw0lf|w | sweet, should be finished tonight. |
| 21:49.39 | jsmith | Nuxi: Try this, I'm not 100% sure it works, but it's worth a try... |
| 21:49.41 | jsmith | if (!defined('STDIN')) { |
| 21:49.42 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.42 | jsmith | } |
| 21:49.42 | jsmith | if (!defined('STDOUT')) { |
| 21:49.42 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.44 | jsmith | } |
| 21:49.46 | jsmith | if (!defined('STDERR')) { |
| 21:49.48 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.50 | jsmith | } |
| 21:49.52 | jsmith | if (!defined('AUDIO')) { |
| 21:49.54 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.56 | jsmith | } |
| 21:49.58 | jsmith | I know it works well for the other fds, but I'm not sure about 3 |
| 21:52.37 | Nuxi | fopen(php://3): failed to open stream: Success |
| 21:52.49 | Nuxi | fgets(): supplied argument is not a valid stream resource |
| 21:52.52 | jsmith | Hmmmn... strange. |
| 21:53.02 | jsmith | Didn't throw any errors for me :-( |
| 21:53.08 | tierra | hehe... it was a successful failure |
| 21:54.02 | dataw0lf|w | sure'd be alot easier if you could redirect it to one of the standard streams and open it from there. |
| 21:54.40 | Nuxi | I would have to redirect it to stdin to be able to read, but then I would be cut off from the responses to my commands on stdout. |
| 21:55.30 | Nuxi | PHP 4.3.10 (cgi) (built: Feb 27 2005 14:44:06) |
| 21:55.37 | dataw0lf|w | eek |
| 21:55.41 | Nuxi | I wonder if the CGI is breaking it. |
| 21:55.50 | dataw0lf|w | eek |
| 21:56.01 | Nuxi | standard redhat binaries. |
| 21:56.06 | dataw0lf|w | eek |
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| 21:56.09 | dataw0lf|w | ;) |
| 21:56.37 | dataw0lf|w | jsmith: standard RH binaries, hmmmm? |
| 21:56.43 | bobert_ | hey I've got a CSS guru question |
| 21:57.10 | bobert_ | I was at the CSS meeting the other night and hoped one of you might be able to help me |
| 21:57.24 | bobert_ | I'm trying to print a bunch of stuff on to 3x5 cards from a web page |
| 21:58.15 | bobert_ | ... I know how to NOT display the stuff I don't want to show, but I need to know how to position every other item apropriately |
| 21:58.54 | dataw0lf|w | in a div with the dimensions of the 3x5 card ? |
| 21:58.54 | dataw0lf|w | I dunno. |
| 21:58.57 | dataw0lf|w | I'm not a CSS person. |
| 21:59.12 | bobert_ | yeah I've got it that way for display, but it's just a column of them |
| 21:59.14 | bobert_ | they're in divs |
| 21:59.28 | dataw0lf|w | use page-break-after and page-break-before ? |
| 21:59.30 | dataw0lf|w | I dunno. |
| 21:59.35 | bobert_ | oh I don't know much about those |
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| 21:59.58 | dataw0lf|w | http://www.htmlgoodies.com/beyond/css/article.php/3470341#specific |
| 22:00.00 | bobert_ | I guess it'd help to have an actual paper to print on for comparison |
| 22:00.17 | dataw0lf|w | jes, that'd be good. |
| 22:00.30 | bobert_ | the page-break is very helpful though |
| 22:00.44 | bobert_ | thanks! |
| 22:00.48 | dataw0lf|w | don't listen to me when it comes to CSS ;) |
| 22:00.56 | dataw0lf|w | I'm terrible at it. |
| 22:01.05 | bobert_ | I'm improving slowly |
| 22:01.49 | dataw0lf|w | I spent a couple weeks focusing on CSS development just so I'd know what people were talking about regarding IE hacks and etc, and then *shrug* no more interest. |
| 22:02.24 | bobert_ | are you the guy who was in the back? |
| 22:02.52 | bobert_ | with questions about why to convert from tables if they already do what you want... |
| 22:04.27 | Nuxi | jsmith: php 4.3.11 CLI still gives me the same errors. error_reporting(E_ALL); |
| 22:06.36 | dataw0lf|w | bobert_: No, I didn't go last meeting. |
| 22:06.46 | bobert_ | oh ok. |
| 22:06.52 | dataw0lf|w | heh. |
| 22:06.53 | bobert_ | I went just for the css |
| 22:06.55 | dataw0lf|w | I know how CSS works. |
| 22:06.58 | dataw0lf|w | dataw0lf.org |
| 22:07.06 | dataw0lf|w | I just don't use it much anymore. |
| 22:07.13 | bobert_ | I know 0 php, so I'm kind of an outcast here :D |
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| 22:11.12 | dataw0lf|w | heh |
| 22:11.27 | dataw0lf|w | wps: you join just as a guy leaves who was looking for a CSS guru. |
| 22:11.38 | wps | ah, dang |
| 22:19.25 | cycokilr | dataw0lf: dude, your buddy called.. he's lookin' for you.. |
| 22:19.40 | cycokilr | he's throwing phones at you in #linuxhelp |
| 22:23.09 | dataw0lf|w | cycokilr: well I don't know wth to do, my voip box is down. |
| 22:23.24 | cycokilr | yeah, i told him about that.. |
| 22:23.48 | dataw0lf|w | I can't do anything about it, we're waiting for techs to come in tomorrow morning. |
| 22:23.59 | cycokilr | i told him you tried to call him earlier.. |
| 22:24.14 | dataw0lf|w | tell him I'll be on CJ in a bit. |
| 22:24.21 | cycokilr | cool.. |
| 22:24.25 | dataw0lf|w | argh |
| 22:24.26 | dataw0lf|w | -.. |
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| 22:56.12 | jsmith | Nuxi: Nope, you're right... I'm not sure how to do it -- honestly I've never been that excited with EAGI, as there's only audio in one direction :-( |
| 22:57.08 | Nuxi | But even if just one direction, you could do some wave analysis while the user is doing something else. |
| 22:58.00 | jsmith | True. |
| 22:58.09 | jsmith | lie_detector.php? |
| 22:58.30 | Nuxi | that would be fun. Just trying to complete phpagi mostly. |
| 23:01.50 | jsmith | I see... |
| 23:08.24 | Nuxi | Well, I guess I could simulate it. exec monitor and open the wav file for them. when we're done, unlink the file. But that's too much of a hack. |
| 23:09.16 | Nuxi | Or tell them to add 3 lines to the fopen wrappers in the php source. |
| 23:10.01 | Nuxi | Or use a wrapper written in something else and let them laugh at me for using php to do eagi. |
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