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| 19:10.30 | bigdog_ut | quiznos' was good today |
| 19:12.03 | drip | ya har |
| 19:12.14 | drip | much goodness |
| 19:15.30 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Wendy's wasn't. |
| 19:21.20 | bigdog_ut | wendy's has gone down hill for me |
| 19:24.37 | wps | I'd have never eaten there in the first place |
| 19:24.39 | wps | ick |
| 19:25.02 | jsmith | wps: Wasn't my choice... I went to the big computer sale that Jayce^ was having, and the guy I caught a ride with went to Wendy's afterward. |
| 19:25.10 | wps | ah |
| 19:25.18 | wps | I hope that my dad went to that sale |
| 19:25.40 | jsmith | Of course, I got a spicy chicken sandwich with extra pickles and mustard, so maybe that explains it :-) |
| 19:25.54 | wps | he is in the market for a computer so I sent him the info about the sale |
| 19:26.03 | bigdog_ut | yeah spicy chicken sucks |
| 19:26.22 | tierra | jsmith, how was that sale? what all was down there? |
| 19:26.34 | tierra | I wanted to hit it up, but couldn't make it down |
| 19:26.46 | jsmith | tierra: Lots of old cases, monitors... some decent boxes (dual PIII-600s, etc.) |
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| 19:27.03 | jsmith | I walked away with a dual-PIII-450 box and a case for my son's computer |
| 19:27.10 | tierra | heh, nice |
| 19:27.14 | mindjuju | how much? |
| 19:27.16 | tierra | pretty cheap? |
| 19:27.18 | jsmith | Most of the good stuff had already been picked over |
| 19:27.28 | tierra | nice |
| 19:27.33 | jsmith | Yeah, I won't complain. |
| 19:30.23 | mindjuju | $45 for dual P3! |
| 19:30.38 | mindjuju | Yipes! how long is the sale going for? |
| 19:31.32 | mindjuju | course though, its not like i have any money |
| 19:32.01 | jsmith | mindjuju: I'm not sure... Honestly, I may not even end up using the motherboard/procs |
| 19:33.08 | mindjuju | i just bought a voltage regulating module for a dell PIII 600 (dual processor) for $35 |
| 19:35.08 | jsmith | I've got an extra PIII-700 mobo/cpu I'd be willing to sell cheap |
| 19:37.43 | macnewbold | jsmith: do the p3-700 mobo/cpu work (well)? |
| 19:40.12 | jsmith | Yes... they work great... |
| 19:40.23 | macnewbold | hm... |
| 19:40.43 | fungus | I need a 4-U rackmount case. got one of those? |
| 19:40.46 | jsmith | My only complaint is that the onboard video doesn't have 16mb of ram, so my son can't play Rise of Nations... |
| 19:41.02 | jsmith | fungus: I picked one up today :-) But I'll probably end up using it. |
| 19:41.15 | fungus | bummer, I shoulda been there. |
| 19:42.46 | jsmith | fungus: Or, you can buy mine off of me and I'll use the money to buy a desktop case. |
| 19:53.18 | tierra | none of you would by chance have an Athlon XP motherboard with onboard video and firewire would you? |
| 19:53.34 | tierra | it's a long shot, but thought I would ask |
| 19:53.39 | mindjuju | actually, i think a friend of mine might |
| 19:53.45 | mindjuju | hang on, i'll IM him |
| 19:54.15 | tierra | I need a replacement for my sister's computer... her power supply fried the motherboard going out |
| 19:55.38 | jsmith | tierra: Not with onboard video, or onboard firewire... but I do have an Athlon XP box with AGP video and PCI firewire :-) |
| 19:56.10 | tierra | hehe, that would probably actually work as well so long as the price is alright |
| 19:56.50 | jsmith | Problem is, then I'd have to come up with another box for my wife :-) |
| 19:57.03 | jsmith | I guess I could call her upgrade a mothers-day gift :-) |
| 19:58.20 | tierra | hehe |
| 19:59.09 | tierra | my sister wants me to see about how much a replacement would be versus building a nicer upgraded box since that's an option as well |
| 20:00.08 | tierra | I'm sure I can find a new athlon xp board with onboard video, then just throw in a $20 firewire card for a total of somewhere around $100 |
| 20:01.39 | tierra | since there's not all that many consumer boards with built on firewire unless you go with a full system from Dell/Sony/Emachines/etc... (it's actually an Emachines pos that burned) |
| 20:13.04 | mindjuju | tierra, i talked to the guy and he's decided to hold onto his stuff. sorry! |
| 20:13.13 | tierra | alright, thanks for checking |
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| 22:10.34 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
| 22:15.58 | wps | how do I see what version of an app I have installed? |
| 22:16.06 | wps | I've done it before but can't remember |
| 22:16.19 | bigdog_ut | what type of app? |
| 22:16.23 | wps | mysql |
| 22:16.43 | bigdog_ut | mysqladmin -V |
| 22:16.51 | wps | I guess mysql isn't really an "app" :) |
| 22:17.00 | bigdog_ut | it is an app |
| 22:17.16 | wps | great |
| 22:17.19 | wps | thanks |
| 22:17.25 | wps | what is "MySQL with Transactions" ? |
| 22:17.29 | bigdog_ut | np wps |
| 22:17.42 | bigdog_ut | mysql with innodb tables |
| 22:18.04 | wps | what are innodb tables? |
| 22:18.21 | bigdog_ut | tables that support db transactions? |
| 22:18.25 | bigdog_ut | ~transactions |
| 22:18.41 | bigdog_ut | ~google mysql transactions |
| 22:18.44 | wps | ~google database transactions |
| 22:18.48 | mindjuju | in ms sql a transaction is a conditional statement that is processed as a complete whole |
| 22:19.03 | mindjuju | so if one part of the sql statement fails, it all rolls back as if it never happened |
| 22:19.20 | bigdog_ut | basically a transaction means you are doing something that if anything fails in it, then it is all rolled back |
| 22:19.24 | mindjuju | so if you are adding records into several tables and one of the inserts fails for any reason, then all data is rolled back out |
| 22:19.47 | bigdog_ut | yep...another reason me no like mysql |
| 22:19.55 | mindjuju | that's exactly what I said, but I was faster |
| 22:20.02 | mindjuju | ~bodyslam bigdog_ut |
| 22:20.07 | jbot | ACTION jumps off the high rope and lands on bigdog_ut with a deafening thud |
| 22:20.10 | bigdog_ut | ~smack mindjuju |
| 22:20.14 | jbot | ACTION smacks mindjuju upside the head. |
| 22:20.14 | wps | it sounds like a good thing... no? |
| 22:20.19 | mindjuju | ~insult bigdog_ut |
| 22:20.22 | bigdog_ut | transactions? |
| 22:20.31 | wps | yeah, they are bad? |
| 22:20.40 | mindjuju | i dont' think they are |
| 22:20.43 | bigdog_ut | they are good if you need the integrity |
| 22:20.50 | bigdog_ut | if you dont, then it is overhead |
| 22:20.55 | wps | ah. got it. |
| 22:21.24 | bigdog_ut | wps, for our stuff we have data all over so we need the integrity..where as a simple web app would not need it |
| 22:21.31 | wps | k |
| 22:22.13 | bigdog_ut | for example take our registration...we can have over 100+ inserts...we need transactions to make sure it all works or none works |
| 22:23.07 | jsmith | wps: If you were a bank, you wouldn't think that transactions are bad :-) |
| 22:23.22 | wps | :) |
| 22:23.22 | bigdog_ut | dealing with money period |
| 22:23.28 | xilch|w | bigdog_ut: I'm pretty sure mysql does support transactions now |
| 22:23.41 | bigdog_ut | it does in version 4 |
| 22:23.59 | bigdog_ut | just means innodb tables are included now |
| 22:24.15 | jsmith | Do you have to use innodb tables to get transactions? Yuck! |
| 22:24.39 | xilch|w | bigdog_ut: but didn't you say no transaction support was a reason you didn't like mysql |
| 22:24.54 | bigdog_ut | i meant cause it sucks |
| 22:25.10 | bigdog_ut | innodb tables have limits on the number or rows and can become corrupt |
| 22:25.17 | bigdog_ut | i have not tried the bdb tables |
| 22:26.26 | bigdog_ut | now you can simulate transactions with non-transactions table types in mysql |
| 22:26.41 | bigdog_ut | you would do table locking or row level locking |
| 22:27.35 | jsmith | But table locking is bad :-) |
| 22:27.57 | jsmith | Innodb tables don't work with mysqlhotcopy either :-( |
| 22:27.59 | xilch|w | yeah - anyone here ever had a cyclical lock? |
| 22:28.04 | xilch|w | it's awesome |
| 22:28.18 | bigdog_ut | eyah table and row locking sucks |
| 22:29.58 | bigdog_ut | cyclical are great...what a pain |
| 22:30.52 | bigdog_ut | or just a plain deadlock to brighten the day |
| 22:32.29 | bigdog_ut | so all in all wps just use postgresql |
| 22:32.33 | bigdog_ut | and you will be fine |
| 22:34.24 | mindjuju | yeah, but I heard that postgresql was weak and people who used it had weak skillz? Is that true Bigdog_ut? |
| 22:34.31 | mindjuju | ~spank bigdog_ut |
| 22:34.34 | jbot | ACTION bends bigdog_ut over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on bigdog_ut's pasty white buttocks. |
| 22:35.04 | xilch|w | dataw0lf is also a postgre fan |
| 22:35.10 | bigdog_ut | yeah, that is true...and those weak people make $90k/yr |
| 22:35.24 | bigdog_ut | ~insult mindjuju |
| 22:35.28 | mindjuju | xilch, i'm just trying to piss off bigdog |
| 22:35.33 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:35.37 | bigdog_ut | he likes it |
| 22:35.44 | mindjuju | ~fishslap bigdog_ut |
| 22:35.46 | jbot | ACTION slaps bigdog_ut up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 22:35.46 | bigdog_ut | ~crap mindjuju |
| 22:35.47 | usynic | is that like pissing off of a boat or a cliff or something? |
| 22:35.59 | xilch|w | lol |
| 22:36.20 | mindjuju | 90k? is that all? pennies if you ask me! |
| 22:36.38 | bigdog_ut | usynic, could not piss me off |
| 22:36.43 | bigdog_ut | ~bite mindjuju |
| 22:36.46 | jbot | ACTION takes a big bite out of mindjuju's jugular vein |
| 22:36.56 | bigdog_ut | good jbot |
| 22:37.04 | mindjuju | k, i gots to get to a meeting |
| 22:37.04 | usynic | no, I don't want to piss you off, I want to piss off you |
| 22:37.07 | mindjuju | cyall |
| 22:37.21 | usynic | wait, err... I don't know what I'm talking about. |
| 22:37.21 | bigdog_ut | ~smack mindjuju |
| 22:37.23 | jbot | ACTION smacks mindjuju upside the head. |
| 22:37.31 | bigdog_ut | yeah...no doubt |
| 22:37.46 | bigdog_ut | we should just have random conversations |
| 22:37.57 | bigdog_ut | wps ask another question you have |
| 22:38.11 | bigdog_ut | like what is the best desktop? |
| 22:38.41 | bigdog_ut | or why is drip so lazy? |
| 22:38.48 | bigdog_ut | ~wake up drip |
| 22:38.50 | jbot | up drip: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 22:39.02 | bigdog_ut | ~wake drip |
| 22:39.05 | jbot | drip: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 22:39.08 | wps | how do you select multiple lines in vi? |
| 22:39.27 | bigdog_ut | most people use visual mode |
| 22:40.48 | bigdog_ut | wps, in vi do this: :help visual-mode |
| 22:42.08 | bigdog_ut | drip, did you see i got that server all set up |
| 22:42.20 | drip | yeah i noticed your email |
| 22:42.27 | drip | haven't pulled it up to verify it's working though |
| 22:42.54 | drip | been busy building up this test data |
| 22:42.57 | bigdog_ut | man that was a beast of a thing |
| 22:43.00 | bigdog_ut | oracle sucks |
| 22:43.03 | drip | yeah it was |
| 22:43.20 | drip | you should start over and do it again |
| 22:43.25 | drip | just for kicks and girly giggles |
| 22:43.35 | bigdog_ut | i get to with a scotty boy |
| 22:48.28 | bigdog_ut | bye drip |
| 22:48.41 | bigdog_ut | wps, use emacs |
| 22:49.09 | bigdog_ut | ~seen dataw0lf |
| 22:49.12 | jbot | dataw0lf is currently on #uphpu #debian #utah. Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 4d 3h 33m 51s |
| 22:49.14 | wps | thanks, bd |
| 22:49.24 | bigdog_ut | no problem |
| 22:51.01 | drip | cya |
| 22:51.12 | bigdog_ut | jbot, listkeys sleep |
| 22:51.40 | fungus | ~only thing that sucks about bdb/sleepycat |
| 22:51.41 | jbot | only thing that sucks about bdb/sleepycat is, like, the fact they have a habit of changing DB formats in incompatible ways. |
| 22:52.29 | bigdog_ut | jbot, listkeys sleepycat |
| 22:52.49 | bigdog_ut | ~sleep xilch|w |
| 22:52.51 | jbot | ACTION sends xilch|w to bed without supper |
| 22:56.09 | xilch|w | bah - I'm on a diet anyway |
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