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13:32.46synicmorning wps
13:32.54wpsgood mroning
13:35.56dataw0lf|wmorning
13:36.00synichrmm.  I really need to write my own gallery software.
13:36.24dataw0lf|wsynic: I'm actually almost finished with my own, I can send it over to you this weekend when I'm finished.
13:36.40synicdataw0lf|w: oh you are?
13:36.53synicI have some ideas... I just don't like using a web interface to actually upload images.
13:36.55dataw0lf|wthat is correct.
13:37.08synicfor instance, during this trip, I took over 100MB of photos
13:37.08dataw0lf|wI have directory scanning support in mine.
13:37.36wpsonly 100 MB?
13:37.37synicwhat I'd like to do is just upload the whole batch via ftp into some specific directory, and then have a backend where I can go and label the ones I want
13:37.52synicwps: it's a crappy camera.
13:37.53synic:)
13:38.00wpsah
13:38.05wpsyou can do all that in Gallery
13:38.13wps(the open-source project)
13:38.26dataw0lf|whttp://dataw0lf.org/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Album&id=imag0001 <-- taken with synic's crappy camera.
13:38.37dataw0lf|wI can't stand Gallery.
13:38.41dataw0lf|wThat's why I'm writing mine own.
13:38.49wpsreally? Gallery rocks.
13:38.52wpshave you seen 2.0?
13:39.01synicok - so in gallery, you don't have to upload the photos via http ?
13:39.22wpsgallery 1.0 sucks, but 2.0 is way different
13:39.30wpsthere is a plethera of options for uploading
13:39.40wpshttp://gallery.wadeshearer.com/main.php
13:40.22dataw0lf|wI've seen Gallery 2.0.  It's for the birds.
13:40.26dataw0lf|wor the wpses
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13:40.29wpsfrom web browser, from local server, spider a web page, a java app, a local app, or from a web cam
13:40.38synicdataw0lf|w: I've never actually used gallery.  What don't you like about it?
13:40.55dataw0lf|wI just don't need everything that comes packaged with it.
13:41.06dataw0lf|wplus the numerous security problems it's had in the past.
13:41.16wpsI wouldn't consider it to have much bloat. It's pretty lean.
13:41.44dataw0lf|wI disagree.
13:42.20synicoh man, it's so nice to be back on comcast.
13:42.43synicI swear, everyone who has an open wireless connection on the east coast is using dialup.
13:42.48dataw0lf|whehe.
13:42.54dataw0lf|wdid you meet up with protocol?
13:43.32synicno, the turd never showed.  We had a time (when I called you) and a place, and no protocol.
13:43.34wpsoff to work
13:43.36wpslater
13:44.08dataw0lf|wyeah, sorry if I was hard to understand, I was pretty obliterated.
13:44.20synicI called his house, and he had left... so I don't know wtf happened to him.
13:44.27synicnah, I couldn't even tell
13:44.36dataw0lf|wdude, what a loser.
13:45.24dataw0lf|whave you talked to him since?
13:45.27synicnope
13:45.38dataw0lf|wwtf
13:45.40synicthe next day was pretty busy, and we had to leave
13:45.51synicso... whateva.
13:46.05dataw0lf|wLep told me you weren't able to get together either.
13:46.19synicI'll see him at some point.  New York is too cool not to go back.
13:46.39dataw0lf|wthat's just your Utahn roots speaking.
13:46.46synicprobably.
13:46.58dataw0lf|wI mean, the kids here go to WYOMING to party.
13:47.06dataw0lf|wSir, that's sad.
13:47.07syniclol... which I have done.
13:47.09synicand it sucked.
13:48.37synichey, do you know if optikal uses any type of IM ?
13:48.44dataw0lf|wyeah, he uses AIM, I beleive.
13:48.47dataw0lf|wbelieve*
13:48.50dataw0lf|wor maybe MSN.
13:48.52synichave any clue what his ID is?
13:48.58dataw0lf|wyou want his number?
13:49.13synicwell, I have his number... though I don't want to call him if he's still in bed.
13:49.20dataw0lf|whe probably is.
13:49.26dataw0lf|whe'll be in in the next hour.
13:49.42dataw0lf|wApple could make alot more money if they targeted alternate architectures for OS X.
13:49.46dataw0lf|wwhat a bunch of retards.
13:51.08dataw0lf|w"'But with apologies to Mac-bashers everywhere, Spotlight changes everything. Tiger is the classiest version of Mac OS X ever and, by many measures, the most secure, stable and satisfying consumer operating system prowling the earth.' "
13:51.15dataw0lf|wYeah.
13:51.26dataw0lf|wSure.
13:51.50dataw0lf|wget it to run on x86 and I'll stop bashing.
13:52.16synicI'm not really a mac basher per se... but the fact that tiger won't run on a machine that doesn't have firewire is just retarded.
13:52.37synicthat's forced hardware upgrade right there.  "sorry folks... shell out another $1500+ for a new machine"
13:53.01dataw0lf|wI love how all the open source / free software / etc geeks always like Apple.
13:53.14dataw0lf|wI have to agree with xilchy on that one.
13:53.23dataw0lf|wApple is a bunch of cutthroat business men.
13:53.39dataw0lf|wjust because they can actually make a decent product doesn't make them, really, any better than MS.
13:53.50dataw0lf|wthey're still Big Brotha.
13:54.07synicall I know is I want iTunes on linux immediately.
13:55.14dataw0lf|wgod, people and their iTunes.
13:55.18synic:P
13:56.35dataw0lf|wspeaking of, you know how good the support / software for iRiver products on Linux is ?
13:56.53dataw0lf|wI'm about to clixy clix on a H320.
13:57.01synicI haven't a clue.  I've heard it's good.
13:57.22synicthe rio karma has decent support, but I probably won't buy one again if mine breaks or something.
13:57.26dataw0lf|wI wonder since it's hard drive based if you can just mount it and copy mp3s to it.
13:57.40synicI doubt it.  I think the iPod is the only one that you can do that with.
13:57.44dataw0lf|wdidn't they drop the Karma from their product line?
13:57.50dataw0lf|wMaybe I'll just get an iPod.
13:57.52synicask in #utah, I know someone has an iRiver
13:57.53dataw0lf|w*sigh*
13:58.02synicthey did drop the karma, they are working on the karma 2.
13:58.31dataw0lf|wbleh,  Rio sucks.
13:59.03synicI've got no complaints in the machine itself.  
13:59.09synicjust needs better linux support.
13:59.51synicie, support through the usb cable in addition to the ethernet
13:59.59synicand mass storage would be nice.
14:00.30dataw0lf|wyar.
14:00.42dataw0lf|woh, yeah, any of you guys got advice on digital cameras, too?
14:00.50synicbrb
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14:09.29macnewbolddataw0lf|w: digital cameras? You probably won't ever really use anything over 4Megapix much... unless you're planning on enlarging your pics bigger than a sheet of paper
14:09.57macnewboldtaking images at 5MP or greater by default is just a waste of memory
14:12.04synicdataw0lf|w: you want a good one, or just one that takes pictures?  the camera that took yours and these: http://synic.ath.cx/images was like $120
14:12.09synicfor the price, I think it was worth it.
14:12.24synic(and it uses mass storage)
14:13.30dataw0lf|wI'm probably looking at ~200 dollars.  I really don't want to spend much more, since the only pictures I'll be taking are of me and my girlfriend naked, crackheads in various cities, etc.
14:14.58dataw0lf|whttp://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,120184,00.asp  
14:17.35synicuh... is it just me, or is the firefox 1.0.3 package in hoary a little broken
14:17.36synic?
14:17.44dataw0lf|wbackports?
14:17.56synicyeah.
14:18.15dataw0lf|wIt is.
14:18.23dataw0lf|wbroken, I mean.
14:18.39dataw0lf|wdidn't I just say this a couple days ago?
14:18.45synicdunno, I wasn't here.
14:18.47dataw0lf|wbackports are going to be uber broken for a while, don't use em.
14:18.50dataw0lf|wah, yeah.
14:19.21dataw0lf|whttp://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,120183,00.asp  Ok, I'm getting this one.
14:19.28dataw0lf|w300 bucks, oh well.
14:28.00dataw0lf|wthe amount that Gnome 3 is going to rock is just amazing.
14:28.49synicwhat's gonna be new?
14:31.47dataw0lf|wScoop, AutoFile, etc.
14:32.04dataw0lf|wand of course Waugh is getting this all integrated fully into Ubuntu.
14:32.24synicdamn I need food.
14:32.27synicer... dang.
14:32.44dataw0lf|wI was about to do the whole unzip thing but I thought that'd be a bit too racy.
14:33.19synicok - that was over my head.
14:33.57dataw0lf|wlet's just all agree that I'm going to Hell and leave it at that.
14:34.04synicalright then.
14:34.29synicok, off to the office.
14:34.30syniclater.
14:34.36dataw0lf|wcya.
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16:10.20wpsscponly rocks
16:12.50fungusWas it hard to setup?  I have only read a little about it.
16:13.30wpspiece of cake
16:13.47wpsand that's saying a lot because remember that it's me we're talking about
16:13.58funguslol, be nice.
16:14.59wpshey, it's the truth, my skills are not are strong as i'd like them to be
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16:15.59beandogAny regular expression gurus in here
16:16.10tbyeDefine guru
16:16.11tbyelol
16:16.30beandogCan figure out why this simple pattern isn't working :)
16:16.48beandogI'm writing an address preg_replace function
16:16.57beandogand trying to convert Street, St, and St. to St.
16:17.10beandogAll of them work, but St. converts to St..
16:17.45beandogThe pattern is /St(reet|\.)?\b/
16:19.09beandogI think it has something to do with the boundary (\b_
16:19.30fungustry taking it out.
16:20.03beandogwithout it, stuff like Stephens returns St.ephens
16:20.46beandogBut St. works.
16:23.53bigdog_utbeandog, what about this /^St(reet|)$/
16:24.32bigdog_utthen you dont get matches like Stephens
16:25.10bigdog_utit should only match St and Street
16:25.28beandogwouldnt that only match strings that are St or Street
16:25.36beandogwith ^ and $
16:25.39xilch|wtry a \s instead of \b
16:26.27xilch|wI think the . counts as a word boundary
16:26.49xilch|w\s is whitespace, so it should work
16:27.58bigdog_utbeandog, you only want to get match St and Street
16:27.58xilch|whrm, except at the end of the string
16:28.01beandogbigdog_ut: and St.
16:28.09beandogWell, I guess I want to leave St. alone.
16:28.43xilch|wbeandog: do you care about capitalisation? because then you'd want to match St. as well
16:29.00bigdog_utthen do /^St(reet|\.|)$/
16:29.44xilch|wbigdog_ut: that would fail for 123 Weed Street,  Apt. 4
16:29.55beandogright
16:29.59bigdog_utno
16:30.04beandog^ -- starts with
16:30.06beandog$ -- ends with
16:30.10beandogStreet is the only string that would work
16:30.24beandogin his example, Street is in the middle of a string
16:30.41bigdog_utthat is for word though
16:30.55beandogIm doing a preg_replace on the string
16:30.57bigdog_utit would fail because of the comma
16:31.18beandog<PROTECTED>
16:31.18beandog<PROTECTED>
16:31.18beandog<PROTECTED>
16:31.18beandog<PROTECTED>
16:31.18beandog<PROTECTED>
16:31.18beandog<PROTECTED>
16:31.20beandog<PROTECTED>
16:31.22beandog<PROTECTED>
16:31.24beandog<PROTECTED>
16:31.26beandog<PROTECTED>
16:31.28beandog<PROTECTED>
16:31.30beandog<PROTECTED>
16:31.32beandog<PROTECTED>
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16:31.36beandog<PROTECTED>
16:31.38beandog<PROTECTED>
16:31.40beandog<PROTECTED>
16:31.58beandogSo far, returns "1234 N. N. W. W. E. E. S. S. St.ephens St. St. Ln. Drive"
16:33.10xilch|wbeandog: I'd say to go with '/St(reet)?\b/'
16:33.37beandogThat did it
16:33.38xilch|wSince you don't need to mod St. unless you are doing case insensitive matching to fix case.
16:33.56fungusOut of curiosity, why is this kind of munging important?
16:34.04beandogfungus: standardization
16:34.12xilch|wfungus: because we love teh mung
16:34.17beandogThat too :)
16:34.23beandogI still dont understand why N. and N worked
16:34.26beandogBut St. didnt
16:34.27beandog??
16:35.00beandogNo word boundary.
16:35.43beandogAnd its breaking N<word>
16:35.45beandogpoop.
16:36.35beandogAh well, the same thing will work with St.
16:36.43beandogSo a period counts towards the word boundary.
16:38.27macnewboldbeandog: did you get it yet?
16:38.38beandogmacnewbold: yah, but then I broke everything else.
16:38.48macnewboldanything non-alphanum is a word boundry, IIRC, except maybe _ or -
16:38.52beandogI still need a way to basically include that period and replace it.
16:39.35beandogOh wait..
16:39.52beandogWhat is the difference between /N(orth)\b/ and /N(orth)?\b/
16:40.02beandogI thought the ? says "if it exists"
16:40.08beandogBut does the parentheses do the same thing?
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16:44.05xilch|wbeandog: ? means it can be there 0 or one times to match
16:44.52xilch|wthe parentheses just means the whole charset inside can be there 0 or 1 times and match
16:45.19beandogOk
16:45.25beandogJust when I thought I knew this stuff, too
16:45.28xilch|wthe parentheses also stores the match inside for use in the replace
16:45.46xilch|wvia \1, \2, etc.
16:46.23xilch|wjayce from plug did an awesome regex presentation at a meeting long ago
16:47.08xilch|wwe might be able to talk him into doing it again
16:47.22jsmithmacnewbold: There you go -- a topic idea for a UPHPU meeting :-)
16:49.33macnewboldyeah
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16:49.54macnewboldif they help any, there are still slides from the last regex presentation in uphpu hanging around
16:50.23macnewboldtry http://www.macnewbold.com/uphpu/
16:50.39macnewboldhttp://www.macnewbold.com/uphpu/uphpu-strings.html
16:50.45macnewboldis the string and regex presentation
16:51.02beandogoh yah
16:51.04beandogI was there for that one
16:51.06xilch|wbeandog: '/St(\.|reet)?\b\.?/'
16:52.01beandogYah, that does it
16:52.08beandogI didnt think to put something *after* the \b
16:52.50beandogThanks again xilch|w
16:53.08beandogIsn't the 1st \. redundant though?
16:53.30beandog'/St(reet)\b\.?/'
16:54.11macnewboldthat looks right now
16:54.26macnewboldbut you still want a ? after (reet) right?
16:54.39xilch|wyeah
16:54.43bigdog_utyeah for like the ","
16:54.45beandogI do, why?
16:55.03macnewboldso that reet is optional
16:55.14xilch|wthe (reet)?  makes reet optional in the match
16:55.19beandogIts already catching it with the ()
16:55.21macnewbold'/St(reet)?\b\.?/i'
16:55.26macnewboldthe () doesn't make it optional
16:55.33macnewboldit just captures what was matched there
16:55.36macnewboldwhich is always reet
16:55.55xilch|wthey capture and group
16:55.55macnewboldplus it groups it for the ? so that "reet" is optional instead of "t" is optional
16:56.00macnewboldyep
16:56.24beandogHmm
16:56.29xilch|wso you just use them if you need one or the other use - it just does both
17:00.47bigdog_uttrying to get management to use bug tracking software is a hella battle
17:01.37dataw0lf|wuse a lightsaber!
17:01.50dataw0lf|wI just got done with the most complex relicensing scheme ever.
17:02.01xilch|wbigdog_ut: I just open our bug tracking software whenever they come to talk to me, and whatever they say I put in
17:02.03dataw0lf|wI have like 40 different id numbers I just rattled off to 10 people.
17:02.15xilch|wbigdog_ut: they are starting to come around to it now.  :)
17:02.27dataw0lf|wwhat bug tracking software you guys using?
17:02.35xilch|wwe use flyspray
17:02.42dataw0lf|wMe likes the Flyspray.
17:03.04bigdog_utwps and i have been using eventum which is really nice
17:03.05xilch|wyeah - it's the best one i've used off the shelf
17:03.50bigdog_uteventum rocks like no other
17:05.33dataw0lf|wI used Eventum for a little while.
17:05.37dataw0lf|wBut I like Flyspray.
17:05.46dataw0lf|wAnything involving the MySQL team just gets under my skin.
17:05.49jsmithFlyspray?  Never heard of it.
17:05.51jsmithdataw0lf: Amen!
17:06.01usynicjsmith: http://www.jbother.org/flyspray
17:06.02macnewboldwhat are differences between eventum and flyspray?
17:06.54dataw0lf|wEventum has more features, that's for sure.
17:07.16bigdog_utdoes flyspray integrate with cvs?
17:07.21macnewbold~flyspray
17:07.22bigdog_utemail is one that is nice
17:07.29beandogWow, that looks cool
17:07.37macnewbold~flyspray is a bug tracking system: http://flyspray.rocks.cc/
17:07.38jbotokay, macnewbold
17:07.40macnewbold~eventum
17:07.46dataw0lf|wnah, flyspray isn't as developed as eventum.
17:07.54dataw0lf|wBut the MySQL tech support team uses it, it must suck.
17:07.56macnewbold~google eventum
17:08.17dataw0lf|wAh, that's a shame though.
17:08.24dataw0lf|wsecurity problem in the first three hits.
17:08.28dataw0lf|w~google flyspray
17:08.40beandogwhich one does mysql use?
17:08.44dataw0lf|wEventum.
17:08.48dataw0lf|wlook at the links, bro.
17:09.02beandog"Tried installing Bugzilla, but found it too complex?" -- got me convinced already
17:09.19bigdog_utbugzilla is good if you have tons of developers
17:09.27dataw0lf|wALOT of developers.
17:09.29jsmithYeah, but does it do dependencies?
17:09.30wpsand bugzillas interface is awful
17:09.33bigdog_utand u have a user base that deals with it
17:09.35dataw0lf|wI use flyspray for personal projects.
17:09.39bigdog_utcustomer base really
17:09.42beandogWhat backend does it use
17:09.54dataw0lf|wbigdog_ut: yeah, basically.
17:10.10dataw0lf|wBugzilla is the behemoth, unless you have thousands of people contributing, probably not much use for it.
17:10.29beandogOh good
17:10.33beandogphp+adodb+mysql
17:10.34beandogI can handle that.
17:10.44bigdog_utyeah and if you have a really defined life cycle process for your product
17:10.59dataw0lf|wI fell in love with Flyspray at my old work.
17:11.09dataw0lf|wWe only had 5 developers, and it worked perfectly.
17:11.30bigdog_utthe interface to eventum is really good tooo
17:11.42bigdog_utbut i love the cvs integration
17:11.44dataw0lf|whttp://flyspray.rocks.cc/?p=Main_Page <-- I really like that site design, for some reason.
17:12.00dataw0lf|wbigdog_ut: yeah, that's what I was excited about when I tried out Eventum but I got bored with it.
17:12.13dataw0lf|wthe email thing is pretty win, though.
17:12.21dataw0lf|wI've been thinking about doing my own bug tracking software too.
17:12.43bigdog_utyeah
17:12.50macnewboldwhat's the email thing with eventum?
17:13.02macnewboldwe've only got 3 devs, and two dozen projects we need to track
17:13.03dataw0lf|wTie it in with Linkin Logs... but I'm supposed to deploy Linkin Logs on ubuntuforums.org this weekend, I'll have to wait.
17:13.32dataw0lf|whttp://dev.mysql.com/downloads/other/eventum/features.html
17:13.52beandogOk, so how do I do a case insensitive on just ONE of these
17:13.56beandogoh wait.
17:13.59beandogn/m.
17:14.42macnewboldso which works better if we've got three of us, a bunch of projects, and we're the only ones allowed to view/submit bugs
17:14.43macnewbold?
17:15.24dataw0lf|wflyspray
17:15.33bigdog_uteventum too
17:15.41dataw0lf|wflyspray
17:15.45xilch|wvi!
17:16.05usynicemacs!
17:16.09bigdog_utthere is the feature you can have customers email bug info to eventum and then you can create bugs from the email
17:16.40beandogHeh, if you didnt I would have. :)
17:17.04macnewboldisn't eventum overkill? It looks too complex
17:17.28xilch|wcool thing about flyspray is that it's in php
17:17.34beandogWell, if mysql is using it ... it might be overkill
17:17.39xilch|walthough I know you guys hate teh php
17:17.54xilch|w:P
17:18.16beandoglicensing!
17:18.22beandogMySQL and their crazy licensing schemes..
17:18.41xilch|wsynic and his crazy schemes
17:21.30bigdog_uteventum is in php too
17:21.34beandogOk, whats wrong with this one?
17:21.36beandog'/p\i.?o\.?\s/i'
17:21.46beandogto conver it to P.O.
17:21.51beandogoh wait.
17:21.55beandoghowd that i get in there
17:22.06dataw0lf|wsneakily.
17:22.28beandogoh
17:22.30beandogvim slipup :)
17:23.16dataw0lf|wdon't admit to that!
17:23.24dataw0lf|wsay you were using emacs and it corrupted your file.
17:23.32macnewboldhehe, yeah
17:23.36macnewboldlike that ever happens
17:24.23dataw0lf|whttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=emacs+file+corruption&btnG=Google+Search
17:24.26dataw0lf|wit does!
17:25.02dataw0lf|wthen, you do a search on 'vim file corruption'.... and it talks about rescuing files with vim.
17:25.04dataw0lf|wHA
17:25.04macnewbold~google vim file corrupt
17:25.12dataw0lf|wAlready did so, my friend, already did so.
17:25.26macnewbold~google vim ate my homework
17:25.29wpswe just registered our 290th member
17:25.34macnewbold~google vim corrupted my file
17:25.41macnewboldyeah, uhuh
17:25.54beandogabandonia??
17:25.54bigdog_utand we still have 20 people in here
17:25.59dataw0lf|whttp://c2.com/cgi/wiki?GreatVimFeatures ? this is your argument?
17:25.59beandogThats odd.
17:26.19dataw0lf|w~google why does emacs suck so bad?
17:30.21fungus~quote WYSK
17:31.56macnewboldquick question:
17:32.14macnewboldwho in here is planning on participating in the UPHPU group project, the framework thing?
17:32.38macnewboldI know myself, bigdog_ut and wps are already on the list
17:32.55beandogmacnewbold: I still havent read the emails on those, sounds intresting tho
17:32.55dataw0lf|wdo you have to take the classes to participate ?
17:33.13macnewboldno, but the group project meetings will be held during the "class" timeslots
17:33.22fungusI'm in.
17:33.23macnewboldlike say the first half of the class
17:33.32dataw0lf|wWhere is it being held, you know, mac?
17:33.45macnewboldprolly in SLC I'm thinking, but we're not sure yet.
17:33.49macnewboldsometimes it may be in Orem
17:33.57dataw0lf|wCount me in, then.
17:33.59bigdog_utorem
17:34.00macnewbolddepends on what locations are open to us on Tuesday nights
17:34.04dataw0lf|wSLC!
17:34.10bigdog_utslc or north slc
17:34.17bigdog_utcan u get something at the slc library?
17:34.27dataw0lf|wI'm sure we could.
17:34.42macnewboldbeandog: do you need me to forward you the emails, or do you have them?
17:35.22macnewboldI think the library would cost
17:35.26macnewboldsomeone wanna look into it?
17:35.36beandogmacnewbold: theyre just in the uphpu archives right
17:35.40macnewboldfungus, dataw0lf|w: can you msg me your email addresses?
17:35.49macnewboldbeandog: yeah, if the archives are working... wps? dataw0lf?
17:35.58bigdog_utmacnewbold, they are on the mailing list
17:36.00bigdog_utemails
17:36.03beandogmacnewbold: Ive got em at home, just havent read through my mailing list mail for a week or so
17:36.14dataw0lf|wjawesome!!! I'm getting a free HP laptop!
17:36.28macnewbolddataw0lf: got one for me?
17:36.44dataw0lf|whelp run ubuntuforums.org.
17:36.51macnewboldaw, nevermind
17:36.55dataw0lf|wmacnewbold: my mailing list addy, or personal addy?
17:36.59macnewboldfreebsdforums.org maybe, but not ubuntu
17:37.15dataw0lf|wunderstandable.
17:37.48beandogman .. regexps are half knowledge, and half dumb luck
17:38.39macnewbolddataw0lf: which ever one you want us to use for emails regarding hte group project
17:38.54dataw0lf|wI mean, will it be a mailing list ?
17:39.09macnewboldyeah, prolly
17:39.11dataw0lf|wok
17:39.15macnewboldbut an important one :)
17:39.30macnewboldthx
17:39.35dataw0lf|wnp
17:40.42macnewboldbeandog: if you're interested, lemme know, and send me an email address to use for you
17:41.15macnewboldsame goes for the rest of you, drip, eco, jnbek, jsmith, mindjuju, optikal, scott_, synic, tbye, and xilch
17:45.32xilch|wmacnewbold: what's this group for?
17:45.57macnewboldthe group project (framework thing.... discussed in here and on the mailing list, and a little on the web site)
17:46.11macnewboldand/or training classes that will use the group project as a case study and homework
17:51.26beandogand were gonna make brownies
18:03.14macnewboldyeah, brownies.
18:03.16macnewbold~brownie
18:03.19macnewbold~cake
18:03.22jbothmm... cake is all gone :(
18:05.00fungusI like cookies better
18:05.05fungus~cookie
18:18.45*** join/#uphpu eco|w (~eco@dsl093-225-126.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
19:01.39*** join/#uphpu jakea (~jakea@jamestkirk.byu.edu)
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19:54.48bigdog_utyeah no doubt
19:55.00bigdog_utdrip, i am a certified sys admin now
19:55.07dripoh yeah?
19:55.13bigdog_utbig man told me so
19:55.37driphmm... you mean Mr. Brown?
19:55.43driplol
19:55.52dataw0lf|wdoes anyone here have their RHCE ?
19:55.55bigdog_utMr. Le-Bar-on
19:56.02bigdog_utdataw0lf|w yes
19:56.12dataw0lf|wbigdog_ut: you got your RHCE ?
19:56.20bigdog_utwps does
19:56.42dataw0lf|wwps has a RHCE?? wow.  
19:56.59bigdog_utno...actually not sure if anyone does...i hate rh
19:57.11bigdog_uti know a guy that does though
19:57.16dataw0lf|wwell, so do I.
19:57.19eco|wWhat does a RHCE prove?  That you can use RPM?
19:57.33dataw0lf|wRHCE is probably the most recognized Linux cert available.
19:57.33bigdog_utyeah, that you can handle dependencies
19:57.40dataw0lf|wIt's actually a pretty decent cert.
19:57.45dataw0lf|wIf you look at the exam outlines.
19:57.49bigdog_uti would get a solaris one first
19:57.50dataw0lf|wand talk to guys who have them.
19:57.52dataw0lf|wscrew that.
19:57.59dataw0lf|wSolaris sucks.
19:58.11bigdog_utyeah it does...but that one pays dollars
19:58.34dataw0lf|wyou couldn't pay me any amount of money to work with Solaris on a daily basis.
19:58.38bigdog_utim not all into the certs though
19:58.48dataw0lf|wNeither am I.
19:58.55bigdog_utfunny...i said that once until the money came in
19:59.12dataw0lf|wI'm making excellent money for my age.
19:59.21dataw0lf|wDoing something I love.
19:59.31dataw0lf|wI'm sorry, I wouldn't work a job I didn't enjoy.
19:59.55dripbigdog_ut loves his job.
19:59.59bigdog_uteasy to say, hard to do when you have mouths to feed
19:59.59driphe tells me every day.
20:00.06drip=)
20:00.11bigdog_utyeah...i b*t(h everyday
20:00.22bigdog_utthat is why i am the last on in each day
20:00.23bigdog_utlol
20:00.30dripha ha
20:00.32bigdog_utjust so i can stay late
20:00.45dripthat's why i like to work from home sometimes.
20:00.48dripfeel more productive.
20:01.27bigdog_utdataw0lf|w but for utah salaries drip and i get paid really well
20:02.05fungusI just got a solaris box recently.  it sucketh greatly.
20:03.01fungusthe new owner dumped it on us for dialup acceleration.  :(
20:03.19bigdog_utsun hardware is the best...but the os sucks
20:03.30bigdog_utthat is why i am all for linux on sun hardware
20:04.00fungusWhat is even worse, the accelerator software only runs on a special solaris 7 install.  
20:04.22bigdog_utoh that is crap
20:05.29fungusyup, this guy thinks he knows everything, and rarely asks our opinion it seems.
20:07.35dataw0lf|wbigdog_ut: Yeah, I plan on making more than you when I get as old as you.
20:07.38dataw0lf|w:/
20:07.41dataw0lf|w:\
20:07.44bigdog_utlol
20:07.47dataw0lf|w;)
20:07.47bigdog_uti doubt it
20:07.56dataw0lf|whow much were you making when you were 22 ?
20:07.59bigdog_utbut you are close
20:08.07bigdog_ut22 not as much as you though
20:08.11dataw0lf|wsee, sucka.
20:08.25bigdog_utbut at 26 i was making 6 figures
20:08.28dataw0lf|wI don't want to program for a living though, that's my deal.
20:08.45dataw0lf|wI can see myself making 6 figures, or close to, by the time I'm ~26.
20:08.53dataw0lf|wwell, probably 28, 26 is a bit hopeful.
20:08.56bigdog_utmy goal was 30
20:09.15bigdog_utin one year i was make 14k a month
20:09.20bigdog_utbut i did work alot
20:09.32dataw0lf|wThat's some good money.
20:09.35dataw0lf|wWhat were you doing?
20:09.56bigdog_utprogramming and sys admin work
20:10.14dataw0lf|wword.
20:10.29bigdog_uti worked three jobs...now i dont work that much...
20:11.39bigdog_utyeah i was just telling drip that our boss doesnt want to train me cause he thinks i will leave
20:12.04dataw0lf|whehe
20:12.47bigdog_utbut one thing is that i do try and keep my chops up
20:13.04dataw0lf|wthat's all you can do nowadays.
20:13.26dataw0lf|wtry to keep up.  Futile.
20:13.27bigdog_utif i left utah i could make alot of money, but wifey dont like
20:14.24bigdog_utbut in utah if you are making 50k you are doing really good
20:14.35bigdog_utsince the average is like 43k-45k
20:14.51bigdog_utmakes me wonder how the jones have all those cars
20:15.20fungusIt is called huge debt, followed by bankruptcy.
20:15.29bigdog_utmost likely
20:15.36fungusUT = bankruptcy capital of the country
20:16.04bigdog_utwhat cracks me up is that they have huge homes and no furniture
20:16.17bigdog_utunlike me...small home...lots of furniture
20:17.45dataw0lf|wbigdog_ut: I know, 50k a year here is huge.
20:18.13bigdog_uti think i was like 25 when i made that much
20:18.39bigdog_utnow i make a little less then drip
20:18.44dataw0lf|wplus I get full benefits
20:18.55dataw0lf|wand in a couple months I'm getting this paid for : http://h10017.www1.hp.com/certification/na/SA_Tru64_v5.html
20:19.17dataw0lf|wwhich, admittedly, Tru64 is a rather estoretic OS.  Still, I'll take it for free.
20:20.04bigdog_utyeah
20:20.56bigdog_uti am trying to get work to pay for more training
20:21.03dripi don't know you're probably at least equal if not more than me bigdog_ut
20:21.07bigdog_utthey think i will skip out when i am done
20:21.21bigdog_utwhat ever you are like 90k now bro
20:21.24dripi'd love to get in on that tam too
20:21.47drippfft
20:21.47bigdog_utwhat is natedog at 95k
20:21.47bigdog_utlol
20:21.49bigdog_utwe are behind
20:22.04bigdog_uthe is probably over 100k now
20:22.17dripthey screwed me with my raise because i'm at the top of our bracket
20:22.23dripor close to it
20:22.31bigdog_uti thought you got promoted
20:22.34dripno
20:22.39dripi was supposed to
20:22.43bigdog_utoh
20:22.45dripmike was like..
20:22.55bigdog_utdataw0lf|w you still have your secret clearance
20:22.55dripoh you've been in the field for 5-6 years?
20:22.56dripyeah
20:23.08dripread my resume dillhole
20:23.09driplol
20:23.14bigdog_utyeah
20:23.28bigdog_uti thought you have like 10 now
20:23.42dripi'm pretty much identical to you.
20:23.48dataw0lf|wbigdog_ut: I believe so.  Why?
20:24.15bigdog_utill have to keep you in mind for admin jobs here...they love clearance
20:24.29dataw0lf|weh, I plan on being here for quite a while, I really, really like this job.
20:24.44dataw0lf|wmayhap in 5 or 6 years.  But I plan on moving to Oregon then.
20:24.54bigdog_utngc is there too
20:25.03dataw0lf|wword, that'd be nice.
20:27.54dataw0lf|wwhat sector of ngc do you guys work in, anyway? IT?
20:39.49dripmission systems
20:40.22dataw0lf|wword.
20:46.19macnewboldfungus: you're listening to a really good song :)
20:46.54fungusOf course.  
20:47.06macnewboldI've got that set, and it's great
20:47.12macnewboldCD 4 is one of my favorites
20:47.25macnewboldthe blues version of River of Dreams is great
20:48.32fungusI had the first 3 GH volumes, but bought this set just for CD4.  It was all worth it too.
20:48.45beandogHow do you know what hes listening to?
20:49.58fungusMy AIM status lists the song info.
20:50.06beandogoh
20:59.26macnewboldlike right now, it's R.E.M. - Low
20:59.40macnewboldand I'm listening to Counting Crows - Mr. Jones
21:05.12dataw0lf|weck
21:05.16dataw0lf|wColdplay?
21:08.54fungusColdplay isn't bad, if you are in the mood.
21:09.06fungusBut when you are happy.  
21:10.32mindjujuoakenfold is always good for programming
21:11.30bigdog_ut~melvin mindjuju
21:11.32jbotACTION pulls mindjuju underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles
21:11.46mindjuju~slap bigdog_ut
21:11.48jbotACTION slaps bigdog_ut, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
21:11.51bigdog_utpanter is for programming
21:12.45mindjujuyeah, panter,  wasn't that the band that used to be called Stryper ?
21:13.08mindjuju~slam bigdog_ut
21:13.11jbotACTION slams bigdog_ut against a large cement Tux
21:13.30bigdog_ut~lart mindjuju
21:13.51bigdog_ut~bodyslam mindjuju
21:13.53jbotACTION enrolls mindjuju for spring training with the Green Bay Packers as a tackle dummy
21:13.53mindjuju~punch bigdog_ut
21:13.55jbotACTION hits bigdog_ut like the hot kiss and the end of a wet fist
21:14.15mindjujui guess you didn't like my panter comment
21:14.17mindjuju:)
21:14.37bigdog_ut~insult mindjuju
21:14.52mindjujuyou do remember stryper from the 80's, don't ya?
21:15.04bigdog_utlike a wet rash
21:15.10dripyeah.. more hair at those concerts than at a britney spears concert
21:15.16drip=)
21:16.21bigdog_ut~bo bodyslam mindjuju
21:16.23jbotACTION enrolls mindjuju for spring training with the Green Bay Packers as a tackle dummy
21:16.36mindjuju~fight bigdog_ut
21:16.38jbotACTION laughs as $var reboots 216.20.238.225 sending $who into the aether
21:16.57bigdog_utah stupid
21:17.14bigdog_ut~kicknuts
21:17.17bigdog_ut~kicknuts mindjuju
21:17.19jbotACTION kicks mindjuju in da Snuts "how is that, mindjuju,  err ? :P"
21:17.27bigdog_utlol
21:17.35mindjujuthat was funny, did you write it?
21:17.48mindjuju~pants bigdog_ut
21:17.50jbotACTION steals bigdog_ut's pants
21:17.51bigdog_utno
21:17.54bigdog_utstupid
21:18.05macnewboldfungus has good taste in music - erasure, "walking on broken glass", billy joel - very nice - /me is listening to  Everybody_Wants_to_Rule_the_World-Tears_for_Fears
21:18.11mindjuju~nyuk bigdog_ut
21:18.19mindjujudag!
21:18.21mindjujufoiled!
21:18.42bigdog_ut~nuke mindjuju
21:19.01mindjuju~scream bigdog_ut
21:19.16mindjuju~insult bigdog_ut
21:19.21bigdog_ut~pimp mindjuju
21:19.23jbotACTION pimps mindjuju for only $1, while stating: "cheap whores are my speciality..." :P
21:19.34mindjujubad bad
21:19.40bigdog_utdataw0lf|w liked that one
21:20.03mindjuju~tackle bigdog_ut
21:20.07jbotACTION tackles bigdog_ut to the ground.
21:20.10bigdog_ut~fundieslap mindjuju
21:20.15jbotACTION points a finger at mindjuju and yells "fundamentalist" as loudly as possible
21:20.15mindjujuyeah!
21:20.23bigdog_ut~goonslap mindjuju
21:20.25jbotACTION trades mindjuju's pants for shorts so as to inflict the dreaded plin
21:20.27mindjuju~fishslap bigdog_ut
21:20.29jbotACTION slaps bigdog_ut up side the head with a wet fish.
21:20.37bigdog_utlame
21:20.46mindjuju~slap bigdog_ut
21:20.49jbotACTION slaps bigdog_ut, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
21:20.49bigdog_ut~calcslap mindjuju
21:20.55jbotACTION partially derivates Cae into little tiny pieces
21:21.10dataw0lf|wbigdog_ut: like which one?
21:21.13dataw0lf|w?
21:21.18bigdog_ut~vangoghslap mindjuju
21:21.20jbotACTION slogs 12 layers of paint over mindjuju
21:21.26bigdog_ut~pimp dataw0lf|w
21:21.28jbotACTION pimps dataw0lf|w for only $1, while stating: "cheap whores are my speciality..." :P
21:21.47mindjuju~knee bigdog_ut
21:21.48bigdog_ut~iraqslap mindjuju
21:21.50jbotACTION loads mindjuju into the White House and launches it at Iraq
21:22.10bigdog_ut~beachslap mindjuju
21:22.12jbotACTION whacks mindjuju with a very large beachtowel
21:22.15mindjuju~bigdog_ut
21:22.16jboti guess bigdog_ut is Mullet Man, a.k.a. El Perro Loco, or "the gimp", or known as the schwagmeister, or a big meany, or laden
21:22.22bigdog_ut~boulderslap mindjuju
21:22.24jbotACTION buries mindjuju in a compost heap and plants an echinacea tree on it
21:22.47bigdog_ut~cheatslap mindjuju
21:22.50jbotACTION Slaps mindjuju with the truth book for cheating in htf.
21:22.58bigdog_ut~duckslap mindjuju
21:23.01jbotACTION hauls mindjuju up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles.
21:23.03mindjuju~lie
21:23.04jbotThe moon is made of cheese
21:23.13mindjuju~lie bigdog_ut
21:23.47mindjuju~zap
21:23.49jbotACTION zaps mindjuju in the head with an overvoltaged tazer
21:23.50bigdog_ut~botwhore mindjuju
21:23.52jbotmindjuju is now officially a botwhore
21:24.13mindjuju~jbot
21:24.14jbotrumour has it, jbot is heading for a crash is assigned nothing and reported nothing.
21:25.12mindjuju~nuggie
21:36.42bigdog_ut~ircstats
21:36.42jbotCurrently I'm hooked up to irc.us.freenode.net:6667 but only for 1d 17h 13m 14s.  I had to reconnect 4 times.   Connectivity: 100.00 %
21:37.04bigdog_ut~news
21:37.30bigdog_ut~botmail
21:37.52mindjuju~nerd bigdog_ut
21:37.58mindjuju~nerd
21:38.04mindjuju~jerk
21:38.05jboti guess jerk is someone who needs something to do.
21:38.18mindjuju~punk
21:38.19jbotpunk is, like, very much alive!
21:38.51mindjuju~nerfherder
21:39.08bigdog_ut~fart mindjuju
21:39.10jbotACTION farts in mindjuju's general direction
21:39.39mindjuju~sock bigdog_ut
21:40.03fungus~assrape jbot abusers
21:40.07jbotACTION ass rapes jbot abusers
21:40.20bigdog_ut~shittify mindjuju
21:40.22jbotACTION installs microsoft bob on mindjuju
21:40.44mindjuju~pants fungus
21:40.47jbotACTION steals fungus's pants
21:41.06bigdog_utand my favorite
21:41.11fungus~assrape mindjuju
21:41.13jbotACTION ass rapes mindjuju
21:41.13bigdog_ut~dogrape mindjuju
21:41.16jbotACTION puts $who through a wood chipper for even *thinking* of such a thing
21:41.39mindjujuyeah, fungus, i see that's your fav, hmmm...
21:41.42mindjujuya sicko!
21:42.27mindjuju~insult fungus
21:42.50fungusmindjuju, only said that cause he likes it.
21:43.29mindjujucause who likes it?
21:43.40mindjujubigdog_ut or some other entity?
21:43.52fungusyou
21:44.07mindjujume?  nah, you've got me confused with the other voices in your head
21:44.08bigdog_ut~kickhim mindjuju
21:44.10jbotACTION kicks mindjuju so hard he'll be tasting shoepolish for a month
21:44.23mindjujui bet you like to say "it rubs the lotion on its skin"
21:44.28bigdog_ut~dropkick mindjuju
21:44.30jbotACTION sends mindjuju flying like a yipping chihuahua
21:44.50bigdog_utthat fits so well you chihuahua
21:45.00mindjuju~spank bigdog_ut
21:45.05jbotACTION bends bigdog_ut over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on bigdog_ut's pasty white buttocks.
21:45.12mindjujume chihuahua?  nah, your the one with the dog in your name!
21:45.32bigdog_utnotice the name...remember the name...say the name
21:45.59mindjujubignerd_ut, er wait, bigDOG_UT dog = chihuahua
21:47.18bigdog_ut~doggy mindjuju
21:47.20jbotACTION throws mindjuju's poor little doggy off a cliff.
21:47.22dataw0lf|wah, now that the convo in #utah is done, I can rest a bit *whew*
21:47.32bigdog_ututah sucks
21:48.01mindjujuTexas #1!
21:48.12dataw0lf|wIllinois #.5!
21:48.13bigdog_uttexas sucks
21:48.14dataw0lf|wha!
21:48.57mindjujuyour just jealous bigdog_ut, i'm native texan
21:49.01fungusutah as a geographic region kicks ass.  However as a culture, it sucks.
21:49.02mindjujuit's ok though, we can be friends
21:49.17bigdog_ut~insult fungus
21:50.44bigdog_ut~wakeup drip
21:50.47jbotACTION silently aproaches drip, who's sleeping (zZzZZZzzZZ, Ronc !!! ronc!), gets off his pants and shoots a noisy fart ... PUBFBFBFBBBFFF!!!
21:51.10drip!fart bigdog_ut
21:51.14drip~fart bigdog_ut
21:51.16jbotACTION farts in bigdog_ut's general direction
21:51.16dataw0lf|wfungus: agreed.
21:51.23dataw0lf|wfungus: Very, Very, Very much agreed.
21:51.27drip~flatulate bigdog_ut
21:51.30drip:gasp:
21:51.48mindjuju~bodyslam drip
21:51.51jbotACTION enrolls drip for spring training with the Green Bay Packers as a tackle dummy
21:52.05dripyay.. my favorite time of the day..
21:52.07driptime to call in time.
21:52.21dripbecause our time system ROCKS
21:52.45funguswhy is it so cool?
21:52.53bigdog_ut~fart drip
21:52.55jbotACTION farts in drip's general direction
21:55.09bigdog_utjbot, piss on drip
21:55.14jbotACTION pisses on drip
21:55.23dripthat's it.  I'm leaving
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21:55.37bigdog_utcall in your time
21:55.45drip~fart bigdog_ut
21:55.47jbotACTION farts in bigdog_ut's general direction
21:55.48*** part/#uphpu drip (~scoobmast@67.108.238.129.ptr.us.xo.net)
21:55.53bigdog_utbigdog_ut, is glorified tech support
21:56.18mindjujudid he leave, then come back, fart on you, then leave again?
21:57.10mindjujuthat's funny
21:57.45bigdog_utwhat?
21:58.05mindjujuthat drip was that mad
21:58.10dataw0lf|wbigdog_ut: I'm having a problem with my desktop, think you could come over and take a look at it?
21:58.14mindjujucame back, farted on you, then left again
21:58.24bigdog_utyah...no problem
21:58.34bigdog_utyeah we work together
21:58.47mindjujuwhat desktop you running dataw0lf?
21:58.55usynicmy windows is running really slow.  could you come over and see why?
21:59.06usynic(my very favorite question ever)
22:00.36mindjujuwhen somebody says that to me, i tell them they have to zap the PRAM on their computer by pressing and holding the CONTROL + ALT + SHIFT + SCROLL LOCK keys
22:01.00mindjujuif they are really coordinated, i'll add another key for them to press
22:01.25*** part/#uphpu bigdog_ut (~bigdog@166.70.34.182)
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22:01.37bigdog_ut~fart mindjuju
22:01.39jbotACTION farts in mindjuju's general direction
22:01.39*** part/#uphpu bigdog_ut (~bigdog@166.70.34.182)
22:01.49mindjuju~cork bigdog_ut
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22:01.53mindjujuhe seems to have a problem
22:02.27dataw0lf|wmindjuju:  i dunno, it says 'me' when it starts up??
22:02.42dataw0lf|wso dataw0lf 1.0 ?
22:02.59mindjujuwhen what starts up?
22:03.06dataw0lf|wthe windows
22:03.07mindjujuyou know i was just kidding about the key presses
22:03.13mindjujuno PRAM in windows
22:03.20mindjujui just like to see people try to hit all those keys
22:03.26dataw0lf|wright.
22:03.37dataw0lf|wAnd I was just joking when I told bigdog_ut to come look at my desktop.
22:03.42dataw0lf|whe works with drip, not me.
22:04.02mindjujuhey bigdog, i think you need this
22:04.02mindjujuhttp://shop.store.yahoo.com/buyinprivate/beangasprevd.html
22:04.47bigdog_ut~fart mindjuju
22:04.50jbotACTION farts in mindjuju's general direction
22:05.35fungusmindjuju needs this http://shop.store.yahoo.com/buyinprivate/malermasbook.html
22:06.30mindjujuwell, hmmm... what were you doing in that section of the store bigdog?
22:06.41mindjujulittle browsing for yourself?
22:06.43bigdog_uti did not send that
22:06.47bigdog_utthat was fungus
22:07.16mindjujuyup, my bad.  see, that's why i was shocked, i didn't think you'd be in that section of the store
22:07.24mindjujufungus, however, seems typical
22:07.34mindjujumy apologies to bigdog
22:08.04bigdog_utnp
22:08.28bigdog_uti am the bigdog
22:09.13fungus~cookie
22:10.18fungusjbot, quit
22:10.19jbotACTION what bananas eat
22:10.28fungusjbot, die
22:10.29jbotACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.
22:10.40fungus~roulette
22:10.41jbot|roulette
22:11.25jsmith~oreo
22:11.39fungus~milk
22:11.40jbotmethinks milk is the catalyst required for making tea flavoured cheese, or best served freshly squeezed
22:12.18fungus~coke
22:12.19jbotwell, coke is not the drug and not the beverage, but a formidable hacker. Don't mess with him!
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