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00:13.34dataw0lfAll of a sudden, I have a craving for a chimichanga.
00:13.44dataw0lfMust... get... greasy... mexican..food..
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00:53.17dataw0lfsynic|w: are you down for some bzflag action?
01:12.41dataw0lftierra, message me if you're around.
01:26.44dataw0lfoh... no.
01:26.46dataw0lfplease no.
01:27.35dataw0lfok, whew.
01:39.07tierrathought your work network might of gone down? =)
01:43.19dataw0lfthat's correct.
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01:54.55optikalhehe
01:59.15optikaldont tease.
02:03.08dataw0lfAdrenline.... man, what a loser.
02:03.16dataw0lftierra did you see that in #geeksyndicate?
02:03.30optikali did... haha
02:03.44dataw0lfMan.  What a loser.
02:03.54dataw0lfHe couldn't even go 20 minutes.
02:03.59eco|wThe problem, of course, is that he will probably dispute anything I call him on so the bet is pretty much pointless.
02:05.18dataw0lfWho cares about the bet? If I was him, I'd kill myself.  He doesn't even have the fortitude to go 20 minutes.
02:06.06dataw0lfusynic / synic|w : you there ?
02:06.20usynicdataw0lf: yeah
02:06.22usynicjas, phone
02:06.23optikaldataw0lf: give him maybe another 5minutes or so, he was just at my place about 15min ago.
02:06.25optikalooh
02:06.27optikalyour fast. =)
02:06.43optikalor i cant keep track of time worth a shit.. probably the latter.
02:06.56dataw0lfwatch the language please.
02:07.04dataw0lfusynic: hey, bzflag.
02:07.09optikalerm.
02:07.20dataw0lfoh, and for all you who care, my old phone is back in bizness.
02:07.24optikalOh.
02:07.30optikalwerd.  glad i didnt delete the num.
02:09.21dataw0lfusynic: gosh darn it, when you get back let's play some flippin bzflag.
02:09.35dataw0lffor heck's sake.
02:10.45usynicdataw0lf: spirals!
02:10.57dataw0lfip please.
02:11.25usynicum, let me see if I can get it.
02:11.26usynicbrb
02:11.56dataw0lfI'm going to beat him all to heck.
02:12.36usynicok, so yeah.
02:12.38eco|wGosh darnit! Stop cursin'
02:12.40usynicit must be down or something.
02:12.48dataw0lfok, gimme a different server and we'll play on it.
02:12.56usynicthe two castles, I guess.
02:12.57dataw0lfeco|w: I'm training myself.
02:13.09dataw0lfip please.
02:13.11eco|wDag nabbit!
02:13.31usynic84.72.8.67
02:13.37dataw0lfwell, I found out what I want to be.
02:13.38dataw0lfa prophet.
02:13.42dataw0lfand prophets don't curse.
02:13.44usyniccya in there in a bit.
02:13.51eco|wNice career choice.
02:13.51dataw0lfport?
02:13.56eco|wWhy did I never think of that?
02:13.59dataw0lfwomen love prophets.
02:14.16usynicoh wait, I know what the problem is.
02:14.21usynicubuntu has an old ass version of bzflag.
02:14.25usynichang on, gotta compile a new one.
02:14.26dataw0lfthe pay isn't good, and most likely I'll be stoned, but, hey, what's that to supreme happiness in the afterlife?
02:14.36dataw0lfwell that means I have to compile a new one too.
02:14.40dataw0lfgosh darn it.
02:14.53eco|wFor heaven's sake is a nice curse.
02:15.17usyniclooks like sid has a newer version
02:15.20eco|wAlso, "freaking" is nice for when flippin' just doesn't convey the sheer emotion you want.
02:15.52dataw0lfI'll just compile mine.
02:16.04dataw0lfhow about friggin? is that off limits for prophets?
02:16.24dataw0lfWait.... my first prophecy is about to unfold!
02:16.43dataw0lfSynic shall be destroyed in bzflag by ye grand prophet and master of ceremonies, etc, etc, dataw0lf
02:18.39dataw0lfok, installed.
02:19.00dataw0lflet me know what ip.
02:19.01usynicheh, I haven't even started.
02:19.10usynic./configure is running now.
02:19.38dataw0lfok, I found spiral
02:19.41dataw0lfI'll be there.
02:20.01usynicok.
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02:50.48synicdataw0lf: y u gotta leave?
02:55.03dataw0lf?
02:55.10dataw0lfyou're the one who keeps leaving.
02:56.35synicso you didn't leave 10 minutes ago?
02:57.04dataw0lfNope.
02:57.08dataw0lfI've been playing the whole time.
02:57.12dataw0lfYou left like twice.
02:57.13synicwtf
02:57.20dataw0lfyou weren't there most of the time.
02:57.38synicyeah, nancy keeps calling.  we're trying to plan the trip to NY on friday.
02:57.49dataw0lfahhh, jea.
02:57.52dataw0lfyou visiting protocol?
02:57.59synicyeah
02:58.02dataw0lfword.
03:00.09synicok, so you wanna play some more?
03:00.18dataw0lfJes.
03:00.21synicok.
03:00.23synicmeet you in there.
03:04.42dataw0lfeh, I'm bored now.
03:11.18synicbleh.
03:14.25synicdataw0lf, optikal- http://www.utahburn.org/
03:15.15optikal-haha
03:17.20optikal-Philosomatika for me
03:19.05dataw0lfBurning Man.... what a waste of good drugs.
03:19.31synicoptikal-: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64448&item=7314993501&rd=1
03:20.32optikal-synic: dont tease me like that.. i wont be able to afford them for 3-4 months.. or until we get our settlement from Sarahs accident. =)
03:20.33synicpretty good price, considering just one costs that much new.
03:20.42mindjujureserve not met though
03:20.56synicd'oh
03:21.11optikal-but I can probably find em cheaper locally through a friend and the utrave board.
03:21.22synicoptikal-: you can ?
03:21.27synicyou should find me some
03:21.34dataw0lfoh god no.
03:21.35synicI'm all kinds of excited to get some again.
03:21.38optikal-thought you wanted to go cd?
03:21.56synicI went and looked at the CD ones
03:21.57synicI wasn't that impressed.
03:22.06optikal-aah. werd
03:22.22optikal-i can get us both hooked up on AfterHours DJs too
03:22.33synichrmm>
03:22.34optikal-I use to help run it when it was Digitally Imported-After Hours
03:22.34synic?
03:22.51synicwhat you talkin about willis?
03:23.00optikal-http://www.afterhoursdjs.org/
03:23.16optikal-stream to their servers, and they'll rebroadcast you spinning live
03:23.36optikal-A lot of DJs are on IRC when they spin too
03:23.45mindjujuso optikal, you on the dj list?
03:23.47optikal-some have webcams, etc..
03:23.57synicsweet.
03:23.58optikal-mindjuju: no, i havent been able to afford equipment.. and i wont go cheap stuff
03:24.17mindjujufroogle has SL1200-MK2 , but it's 440 for 1
03:25.20synicyeah, they are expensive new.
03:25.41synicoptikal-: you gonna go all out and get a spif mixer with a chaos pad and all that?
03:26.12optikal-Ive seen ones go for around $600 (set of 2), with cartridges, good mixer, like 25 vinyls for $650
03:27.19optikal-synic: havent exactly decided on my mixer and all just yet..
03:36.06dataw0lfsynic: if you set a different font with consolechars, does it save upon reboot ?
03:36.31synicdataw0lf: dunno, never tried.
03:42.07mindjujuthose turntables on eBay didn't sell
03:46.43mindjujuoptikal, you got any more infected mushroom?
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13:46.19dataw0lf|wmeeting tonight, hooray.
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14:55.09*** topic/#uphpu by macnewbold -> Meeting 7pm Tonight: PHP GTK with bigdog_ut! | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org
14:56.37bigdog_utoh yeah
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15:05.59dataw0lf|wah, man, wth is with the new PA.
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15:15.24bigdog_utPA?
15:15.51macnewboldwhat, like a megaphone?
15:16.00macnewboldbigdog on the horn
15:18.10dataw0lf|wPenny Arcade, sheesh.
15:19.27dataw0lf|wle example : http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-06-14&res=l
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15:43.52dataw0lf|wle example 2 : http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-10-11&res=l
15:56.17xilch|wdataw0lf|w: I'm not going to be able to go to the meeting tonight, after all the crap I gave you
15:56.26xilch|wsynic might still be going though
15:56.41dataw0lf|wwell, well, well.
15:56.48dataw0lf|wyou hypocrite!
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15:57.47macnewboldSpeaking of meeting tonight, is anyone interested in carpooling?
15:58.11dataw0lf|whttp://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-12-13&res=l
15:58.26dataw0lf|wI probably shouldn't go actually, my gf wants to hang out I think.
15:59.42asynicdataw0lf|w: you can move posts on the ubuntu forums?
16:00.22dataw0lf|wI can do whatever I want on the Ubuntu Forums.
16:00.54asynichttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28211  <-- I don't know how this got in the KDE specific area.... I swear I clicked on hardware.
16:01.59asynicman, ubuntu is seriously broken on this machine.
16:02.18dataw0lf|wwhat's the problem ?
16:02.37asynicwell, I just went to pull up a gnome-terminal, but nothing happened.
16:02.46asynicnow if I go to a virtual terminal, almost any command I type will hang.
16:02.48asyniceven ps
16:03.03asynicI can't even reboot.
16:03.24asynicthis is happening on both my work machine, and my home machine
16:03.39dataw0lf|wwhat process is 21364 ?
16:03.44dataw0lf|w(looking at your strace)
16:04.14asynicI can't look, ps hangs.
16:04.28dataw0lf|wtry catting it in the proc file.
16:06.18macnewbolddataw0lf: just bring your gf with you to the meeting, and hang out there :)
16:06.48macnewboldj/k, your gf would probably go for that about like my wife would let a trip to the UPHPU meeting be "date night"
16:07.15dataw0lf|wI don't want a bunch of geeks staring at my girlfriend in longing, kthnx.
16:08.05dataw0lf|wI learned that at the 2600 meeting.
16:08.23macnewboldthe bigger problem is when she's staring _back_ at them in longing...
16:08.51macnewbolddataw0lf, everybody but you knows she really is just hanging out with you until she can get her hands on optikal and synic
16:09.04dataw0lf|wyou haven't met optikal and synic I take it.
16:09.07macnewboldhehe
16:09.09macnewboldj/k
16:09.31macnewboldwell, there goes two out of three synic personalities...
16:09.33dataw0lf|wand I've been to the meetings, she isn't going to be looking at anyone there in longing, I assure you.
16:10.04dataw0lf|wxilch|w: tell synic it's his fault, not Ubuntu's.
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16:10.48dataw0lf|wwe were just talking about how ugly you are, optikal.
16:11.28macnewboldokay, finish this one: "Man, you so uh-gly that...."
16:11.48optikaldataw0lf|w: oh yeah? werd. =P
16:11.59optikalTruth never hurts.
16:12.23dataw0lf|whmmm.. ugly jokes
16:12.28dataw0lf|wgot it mac.
16:12.33xilch|wdataw0lf|w: it's these damn machines - we have the same hardware and different problems all the time
16:12.41dataw0lf|wYou so ugly that when you were born the doctor took one look at you and slapped your parents.
16:12.46xilch|wonly usually it's my machine that acts weird
16:13.01dataw0lf|wyou so ugly that when you sit in the sand cats try to bury you.
16:13.18dataw0lf|wyou so ugly you make blind kids cry.
16:13.27xilch|wrol - I love teh ugly jokes
16:13.40dataw0lf|wyou so ugly when you wank it your hand tries to fall asleep.
16:13.59dataw0lf|wyou so ugly that your last name is link and your first name is missing.
16:14.02dataw0lf|wetc
16:14.24jsmithThe fat jokes are better.
16:14.53jsmithYou're so ugly your parents had to tie a pork chop around your neck to get the dog to play with you
16:15.35dataw0lf|wYou're so ugly that when you threw a boomerang it didn't come back.
16:17.03macnewboldyou so ugly that when dataw0lf's gf saw you and him standing side by side, she said it was a tie
16:18.35jsmithShe's so ugly you have to wear a paper sack over your head in case the one on her head falls off...
16:20.01dataw0lf|wmacnewbold: C'mon, let's get off my girlfriend.
16:20.04dataw0lf|wI just got off your wife.
16:20.17macnewboldhehe, yeah.
16:20.38jsmithYo mamma so fat it took a whole roll of film to take her picture
16:20.56jsmithYo mamma so fat she sat on a quarter and made George Washington cry
16:21.33dataw0lf|wyou're so ugly... well...
16:21.39dataw0lf|wdataw0lf.org/ugly.jpg
16:21.39jsmithYo mamma so fat she goes to the zoo and elephants through peanuts at her
16:21.41macnewboldYo mamma so fat that when she wears spandex, you can tell if the change in her pocket is heads or tails
16:22.11jsmithYo mamma so fat she's got her own zip code.
16:22.13macnewboldyeah, dataw0lf, that _is_ a bad picture...
16:22.21jsmithYo mamma so fat she makes potholes when she jogs.
16:23.41jsmithYo mamma so fat you can't hug her all at once -- you have to give her a hug, mark off that spot, give her another hug, mark off that spot -- a huggin' and a chalkin'
16:23.50dataw0lf|wYo momma so fat that when she opens the fridge it screams "I give up!"
16:24.03dataw0lf|wYo momma so fat she deep fries her toothpaste.
16:24.04macnewboldhttp://www.dataw0lf.org/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=Album
16:24.59dataw0lf|wI thought you might do that.
16:25.05dataw0lf|wUnfortunately, I have the perfect defense.
16:25.15dataw0lf|whttp://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=BYHRS8E&key=EYG
16:27.00dataw0lf|wyou can't argue about stuff like this with a narcissist.
16:27.04dataw0lf|wyou'll lose.
16:33.03bigdog_utlol
16:33.16bigdog_uton hot or not there is more not than hot
16:33.46dataw0lf|wthere's some pretty good looking girls in SLC on there.
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16:35.19usynicwe'll see how this fares.
16:35.35dataw0lf|wis ps hanging on the same process ?
16:35.58usynicI don't know, it's hard to debug.
16:36.06usynicwhenever I type ps, that VT becomes unuseable
16:36.18dataw0lf|wright
16:36.19usynicI can log in on another and try a few things
16:36.28dataw0lf|wbut you strace it and find out the pid it's hanging on.
16:36.31dataw0lf|wthen cat the /proc file.
16:36.35dataw0lf|wfor that specific ps
16:36.37dataw0lf|wthen try it again
16:36.45dataw0lf|wlather rinse repeat
16:36.48usynicoh nice, it's happening again.
16:36.52usynicwhat file do I cat?
16:37.08dataw0lf|wlook in the /proc/<pid>/ dir
16:37.14dataw0lf|wthere's some files in there
16:37.57dataw0lf|wstatus would be your best bet, i guess.
16:38.05usynicI can't ls in there.  It hangs.
16:38.06dataw0lf|wso cat /proc/<pid>/status
16:38.30usynicah, the process is aplay.
16:38.42dataw0lf|wkill it.
16:38.53dataw0lf|wthen try ps again.
16:39.02dataw0lf|wlather rinse repeat
16:39.08usynichrmm.  it doesna kill.
16:39.11dataw0lf|wsee if a pattern emerges.
16:39.17dataw0lf|wso aplay is buggered.
16:39.54dataw0lf|wonboard sound card?
16:40.05usynicwell, this machine is, but my home is an emu10k1
16:40.07usynicdoing the same thing.
16:40.09dataw0lf|wsounds like a IRQ issue.
16:40.15dataw0lf|wyour machine is doing the same thing ?
16:40.18dataw0lf|w(at home)
16:40.24usynicyeah, I have two machines with the same problem.
16:40.30usynictotally different hardware.
16:40.30dataw0lf|wanything in dmesg ?
16:40.34usynicnope
16:40.48dataw0lf|wwhat kernel you using?
16:40.51dataw0lf|w686 you said?
16:40.58usynicwell, k7 now, I was using 686
16:40.59dataw0lf|w2.6.10 ?
16:41.09usynicyeah, 2.6.10 at home, 2.6.11 here.
16:41.24usynicboth were on 686, I switched to k7 to see if it would help.
16:41.27dataw0lf|wah.
16:41.35dataw0lf|wso it's probably not a kernel issue.
16:41.57dataw0lf|wif it's different versions of the kernel, and then you tried k7..
16:41.59usynicmaybe it's just aplay, like you said
16:42.05dataw0lf|wcould be.
16:42.19dataw0lf|waplay / esd antics .. maybe.
16:42.28dataw0lf|wtry a pkill esd and see if it clears it up
16:42.40usynictried that.  esd doesn't kill either.
16:42.49dataw0lf|wyeah, esd / aplay problem.
16:42.56usynicI'll try disabling esd, and deb-src alsa-utils
16:43.17usynicbrb, gotta reboot to get normalness here again.
16:43.23dataw0lf|wps is hanging because there's something screwy with the process info in /proc on aplay.
16:43.28dataw0lf|wI don't know much about Linux sound.
16:43.30dataw0lf|wbah.
16:48.12bigdog_utlinux sounds is great
16:48.27bigdog_utalsa rocks
16:48.30dataw0lf|wesd rocks.
16:48.39dataw0lf|wjust wish all my apps supported it.
16:49.18dataw0lf|wI'm building a new machine.
16:50.39bigdog_utesd uses alsa or whatever sound you have built in
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16:51.49dataw0lf|wI know.
16:52.09usynicyeah, me too
16:52.11usynicwhatever it is.
16:52.16bigdog_utlol
16:52.31dataw0lf|whow you doing now usynic ?
16:52.34bigdog_utmy sound module can kick your's in the a**
16:52.38usynicdunno, we'll see
16:52.50usynicdataw0lf|w: gdm doesn't fire up esd to play that little drum sound, does it?
16:53.39dataw0lf|w...
16:53.45dataw0lf|wprobably does.
16:54.00usyniclame.
16:55.00bigdog_utusynic, you can fix that in your sound settings though
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16:57.23dataw0lf|wanyone know a good place to get cheap, small desktops?
17:00.10usynichow cheap/small are you talking?
17:00.11jsmithWell, they're not exactly small -- but the MicroTel PCs from Walmart are cheap.
17:00.32jsmithAt a buck-nintely-nine a piece, they're practically disposable
17:00.45usynicRick found amd64 boxes on tigerdirect for < $300
17:00.55jsmithOooh...
17:01.00jsmithusynic: URL?
17:01.08usynicxilch: help me out here
17:01.17usynicxilch|w: help me out here
17:01.23dataw0lf|wyeah, Microtel, that's what I was looking for.
17:02.14usynicoh bleh, he says it was a sale that's over now
17:02.55jsmith:-(
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17:03.18dataw0lf|wyeah, I'm going to buy about 3 of those or so.
17:03.23jsmithFigures... I ask my questions and *then* wps shows up
17:03.35jsmithdataw0lf|w: I used to buy them 40 at a time.
17:04.25dataw0lf|wfor your house?
17:04.39jsmithI wish.
17:04.45dataw0lf|wwell that's what I'm doing.
17:04.49jsmithI managed around 600 desktops at my last job.
17:04.50dataw0lf|wI wouldn't purchase that crap for work.
17:04.56jsmithI would.
17:05.14dataw0lf|wWe do extensive graphics work here.
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17:15.16jsmithwps: Links to the RSS feeds on uphpu.org from the front page?  Please?
17:15.30dataw0lf|wthis is what we take photos with: http://gis.leica-geosystems.com/products/RC30/default.asp  The images are anywhere from 600 mbs to 5 gbs, so a 200 dollar computer isn't going to be able to handle it.
17:19.28wpsjsmith
17:19.30wpssure
17:19.45wpshave links to the cute 'lil images for me?
17:19.55jsmithNope.
17:19.59jsmithBut I'll bet I could find some.
17:24.47jsmithwps: http://www.groklaw.net/images/xml.gif
17:25.00wpsmerci
17:25.37jsmithOr the ones at the bottom of http://www.sineapps.com/news.php
17:26.13wpshmm... I wonder how to tell is UPHP
17:26.19wps's feed is RSS 2.0 or not
17:27.12jsmithPut up the link, and I"ll tell you :-)
17:27.46wpsah, it's in the tags
17:27.51wpswe're .91
17:27.53jsmithYup.
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17:58.20macnewboldanyone car pooling to the meeting tonight?
18:00.17wpsI would be happy to, but I am only going a mile or two (from Thanksgiving Point up)
18:05.40wpsjsmith: done
18:06.12jsmithmacnewbold: I might be
18:06.31macnewboldI'm just seeing if anyone is interested
18:06.48macnewboldI can drive, but it's easier if I've got someone with me, since we can use the carpool lane.
18:07.06macnewboldplus there's better conversation when it's not just me talking to myself.
18:07.34fungusI could use a ride again.  :)
18:07.55jsmithmacnewbold: Which direction you coming/going from?
18:14.13macnewboldI work in Foothill Village, about 1300 S Foothill Dr.
18:14.24macnewboldI'll be probably going down I-80 to I-15 and heading south
18:14.51macnewboldif you're near I-215, that could work. It's a little out of the way on the way back, but workable.
18:15.08macnewboldfungus: sure, no problem
18:15.39macnewboldjsmith: fungus gets picked up at about 800 E and 3000 South
18:16.05fungusty ty ty
18:18.35macnewboldty ty ty?
18:18.39macnewbold~ty ty ty
18:18.41macnewbold~ty
18:18.43jbot[ty] thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player
18:19.01macnewboldah
18:19.05macnewboldyw yw yw
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19:04.23bigdog_utoptikal, you around?
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19:36.46bigdog_ut~seen optikal
19:36.50jbotoptikal is currently on #uphpu (3h 26m 28s).  Has said a total of 2 messages.  Is idling for 3h 24m 51s
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19:50.13jsmithmacnewbold: I'll be coming from Utah County (even though I live in SL county)
19:50.19jsmithmacnewbold: So I'll probably see you there
19:50.26macnewboldah
19:50.27macnewboldokay
19:50.37eco|wJoseph!? I thought you were dead!
19:50.51macnewboldJoseph?
19:51.09eco|wjsmith...sorry, lame joke.
19:55.32jsmithYeah, it was lame
19:55.59jsmithAnd yes, my uncle is dead :-)
19:56.46macnewboldjsmith: are you serious about the relation? if so, direct descendant of whom?
19:57.14jsmithmacnewbold: Direct descendant of Joe's dad's brother.
19:57.41macnewboldcool
19:58.08macnewboldthat makes you what, 1st cousins 8 generations removed?
19:58.28jsmithYeah, something like that.
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20:29.00beandogphp-gtk ...
20:29.04beandogwhen is v2 coming out? :C
20:30.46bigdog_utwhen ever andrei finishs it up i guess...he is the only one working on it
20:30.55beandogpoor kid
20:31.29bigdog_utyeah...actually it is not too hard to do most of it though..you are just wrapping functions
20:31.56bigdog_uti think v2 is suppose to work with php5 which will be killer
20:32.16beandogYah, thats what Ive herad.
20:32.17beandogheard.
20:32.37beandogFor me, the hardest part with GTK so far has just been wrapping my brain around stuffing everything into something else.
20:32.42bigdog_uti do look forward to that though...however, php-gtk is still no prod worthy
20:32.45fungusare you gonna cover some basic GTK as well?
20:33.09bigdog_utyeah i need to...just basic...gtk is so big that it would need a couple meetings
20:33.49bigdog_utthat is the one really to learn...but cutting your teeth on gtk with php is really easy
20:34.02bigdog_utunless you really know python
20:34.04usynicthe thing about gtk is that it's really similar between languages.
20:34.06beandogI dont.
20:34.09beandogThats the other problem.
20:34.20beandogIf I can figure out php-gtk, maybe the other ones will come easier.
20:34.22usynicI was surprised at how similar gtkmm and gtk+ are in theory
20:34.26bigdog_utyeah if you know php and you want to do gtk then php is a good way
20:34.36usynicand ruby-gnome2
20:34.43bigdog_utyeah...and some of the new gstream stuff is cool too
20:34.59bigdog_utmost langs have gnome support
20:35.05bigdog_utphp, ruby, python, java
20:35.11beandogC, C++ ;)
20:35.19usynicO-Caml
20:35.20usynicada
20:35.22usynicetc
20:35.24beandogwxgtk is supposed to be pretty nice.  as well as wxpython.
20:35.31beandogwxpython seems really simple.
20:35.49beandogI just wanna learn something+gtk.
20:35.54beandogSo I can make some cool gooeys. :D
20:36.22bigdog_utyeah
20:37.28eco|wwx is nice.  I use it extensively.
20:37.29bigdog_utglade is really cool too for doing the gui
20:37.40usynicyeah, gui == cool... though I must be retarded.  It took me forever to wrap my brain around an event driven model.
20:37.40beandogWhat is glade anyway?
20:38.13bigdog_utit is a user interface builder
20:38.21bigdog_utglade.gnome.org
20:38.43bigdog_utallows you to create xml files that define a user interface
20:39.16bigdog_utthen your app loades up the glade file to create the user interface
20:39.24eco|wI like stetic's interface better but stetic is far from being ready to use.
20:39.34usyniclol... I was about to say "you don't even need to recompile"
20:39.51usynicbut then I remembered this is a php+gtk meeting
20:40.04usynic<-- idiot
20:40.14bigdog_utrecompile what?
20:40.59usynicbigdog_ut: when using glade with C or C++, you don't need to recompile the app if you just modify the xml file
20:41.30beandogHuH?
20:41.59usynicbeandog: the UI is defined in an XML file.  When your app loads the xml file, it dynamically generates the widgets specified on the fly
20:42.19usynicglade is what creates the xml file
20:42.24beandogAh, okay.
20:42.30beandogthats funky.
20:42.49dataw0lf|wit's easy.  and the de facto standard for Gnome development.
20:42.54beandogGTK seems pretty cool :)
20:43.38dataw0lf|wheh.
20:52.12macnewboldwhat's the difference between gtk and glade, then?
20:52.54bigdog_utglade is the tool for writing gtk (and other) user interfaces
20:53.17bigdog_utlike gtk+, gnome and others
20:56.34macnewboldsome of you fans of goa/psy/trance may like this: http://di.fm/
20:57.17tierramacnewbold, I've seen optikal- peruse that site before
20:57.36tierraI'm a fan
20:58.05macnewboldcool
20:58.18usynicthough I usually find them in streamtuner
20:58.25macnewboldsomeone in #gubug just posted the link, and when I saw it, I thought of you :)
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21:11.20dataw0lf|wit's bad enough that when I hang out with tierra, optikal, and synic I have to hear about techno incessantly.
21:11.25dataw0lf|wNow they've corrupted the internet too.
21:12.00tierradataw0lf|w, you left your Ubuntu forums account logged in on my laptop =)
21:12.11eco|wdataw0lf|w:  Just go to your special place.
21:12.21dataw0lf|wtierra: that's fun.
21:12.31dataw0lf|wtierra: you gave me a shell account on your server :)
21:12.47dataw0lf|wany harm done shall be dealt with severely.
21:12.50tierrayeah, not that I could do much besides look through the moderators forum
21:13.14dataw0lf|wso you found the naked pictures of me I submitted for the next Ubuntu splash screen.
21:13.17eco|wHarm likes it severely so that all works out.
21:13.18dataw0lf|wdamn.
21:13.34tierrayeah, now I've confirmed what you've been talking about this whole time
21:13.46dataw0lf|whaha.
21:13.51tierradataw0lf|w, watch the language...
21:13.53tierra=)
21:14.10dataw0lf|whey, 'damn' is a bible word.
21:14.47dataw0lf|wI'll tell you what, this 16 port KVM switch is jawesome++^jawesome++
21:16.26dataw0lf|wyou can go into Broadcast mode so that all computers you specify receive whatever commands you type.
21:17.24tierrathat could make for some good times
21:17.52dataw0lf|wno kidding.
21:18.05dataw0lf|wtalk about easy upgrading.
21:19.34tierraI don't think I could trust myself to set it up to do that rather than going through each manually and making sure each one worked right
21:20.44dataw0lf|wor you could type in some bash l33tness : cp /var/log/whatever.log /mnt/someshare/${HOSTNAME}-somelog.log
21:21.06dataw0lf|wI think that'd work.  *shrug*
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21:24.44dataw0lf|wI don't know why you'd be afraid, you can switch between computers with one key.
21:25.16dataw0lf|walthough it would be funny if you were like rm -rf / some/crap
21:34.21tierrathat's more what I was referring to
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21:54.58dataw0lf|wtierra: I'm not talking about doing mission critical stuff with it.
21:55.02dataw0lf|wI'm talking about ease of use.
21:55.05dataw0lf|wsuch as upgrading.
21:55.09dataw0lf|wetc.
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22:15.31macnewboldthe hard part about using all of the connected computers at once through your KVM isn't _sending_ the data to all of them, it's what to do with (and how to interpret/collate) a dozen responses :)
22:19.36dataw0lf|w*sigh* apparently I wasn't explaining myself very well.
22:19.54bigdog_utthat tends to happen alot...:)
22:19.55dataw0lf|wfor something that you don't need a response back, such as simple maintenance ease of use etc, it makes it much easier.
22:20.07dataw0lf|wie.
22:20.11dataw0lf|won 5 debian machines
22:20.17dataw0lf|wapt-get update; apt-get upgrade
22:20.28dataw0lf|wtada
22:20.38dataw0lf|wgo buy myself a coke.
22:20.45dataw0lf|wthen come back, and filter through to make sure nothing broke.
22:20.52dataw0lf|wyou can also set events on each terminal too.
22:23.10dataw0lf|wshutdown -r now .  That's nice too.
22:23.44tierranow that's handy
22:25.39macnewboldyeah, but what if you type "ls"?
22:25.49macnewboldor if you want to see the output of your apt-gets?
22:26.33dataw0lf|wthen I wouldn't use broadcast mode, would I ?
22:26.41optikal`macnewbold: i believe he understands that, but isnt it still handy do do the apt-get update;apt-get upgrade and then just have to sift through all of them when you get back from buying a coke, instead of typing it manually on each one.
22:26.53optikal`speaking of a coke..
22:27.03dataw0lf|wit's not like I'm using it every time I'm at the KVM.
22:27.06dataw0lf|wIt's just a nice feature.
22:27.14dataw0lf|wmmm coke, good idea.
22:28.36dataw0lf|wI didn't know everyone would be so confused by what I meant.
22:28.43dataw0lf|wit's a pretty simple concept.
22:29.03optikal`I understood from the start.
22:29.23optikal`I use a kvm constantly all day, that would be quite convienent to broadcast a command to all ports..
22:29.31optikal`can you specify specific ports to broadcast too, or just *?
22:30.20dataw0lf|w<dataw0lf|w> you can go into Broadcast mode so that all computers you specify receive whatever commands you type.
22:30.33dataw0lf|wit's pretty nice.
22:30.43tierrawe just thought we would point out the millions of things it's not good for... I didn't see anyone who was arguing with what you said it _would_ be good for... everyone understood, you just want something to argue
22:30.57optikal`yeah, i read that.. i asked if you can specify specific kvm ports or not? Im assuming not, but that would be even more handy.
22:31.04dataw0lf|wI just want something to argue?
22:31.04optikal`haha
22:31.13tierrasee
22:31.14dataw0lf|wthen why the hell is everyone pointed out what it's NOT good for?
22:31.23dataw0lf|wI believe that's where people are trying to argue with me.
22:31.32dataw0lf|wI stated that there was a broadcast mode
22:31.35dataw0lf|w1) it's cool
22:31.40dataw0lf|w2) useful in certain situations
22:31.56dataw0lf|wSo where's your point that I'm trying to argue?
22:31.59tierra<macnewbold> the hard part about using all of the connected computers at once through your KVM isn't _sending_ the data to all of them, it's what to do with (and how to interpret/collate) a dozen responses :)
22:31.59tierra<dataw0lf|w> *sigh* apparently I wasn't explaining myself very well.
22:32.01dataw0lf|wI think you got yourself mixed up.
22:32.07tierrawhat did macnewbold miss in that statement?
22:32.29eco|wHow much I rule.
22:32.35dataw0lf|w<macnewbold> yeah, but what if you type "ls"?
22:32.35dataw0lf|w<macnewbold> or if you want to see the output of your apt-gets?
22:32.39dataw0lf|wa whole helluva lot I'd say.
22:33.07dataw0lf|wthe whole point was that in operations where you don't NEED output (at least right away) it was useful.
22:33.25tierranobody was arguing that it wasn't
22:33.40dataw0lf|wthey were making irrelevant points.
22:33.46dataw0lf|wI know there are many situations it isn't needed.
22:33.48macnewboldI'm _not_ irrelevant
22:33.52macnewboldor irreverent either
22:34.00dataw0lf|wyour comments were.
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22:34.08dataw0lf|wwhether you are or not _is_ irrelevant.
22:34.14tierramy point is that everyone got the point, stop telling us we didn't
22:34.27tierragot my point?
22:34.28tierra=)
22:34.29macnewboldyou never said until after I said it that the broadcast mode doesn't give back _any_ output
22:34.43dataw0lf|wI'm going to give you a point, tierra *mutter*
22:34.53dataw0lf|wnever said what?
22:34.59dataw0lf|wthat there were situations where it wasn't useful?
22:35.16dataw0lf|wWow, you really got something there.
22:35.19dataw0lf|wLet me write that down.
22:35.20macnewboldwell, that, and what it does for output
22:35.20optikal`haha.
22:35.25dataw0lf|wI'll study it before I go to bed tonight.
22:35.28macnewbold?
22:35.57macnewboldI've seen similar non-kvm "broadcast mode" things, like that use ssh for example
22:36.11dataw0lf|wok, here I go:  It's a 16 port KVM switch with a built in terminal.  There are these little buttons that represent each port.  You have to flick through each port with these little buttons.
22:36.25dataw0lf|wSo, obviously, for something that you're depending on stdout for, you're not going to use broadcast mode.
22:36.26macnewboldand they give you an output screen for each machine you're controlling
22:36.35macnewboldyeah, that would make sense
22:36.54dataw0lf|wok, I'm going to go get some teeth pulled now.
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22:39.45macnewboldwell, don't let them take too many... wouldn't want to spoil that pretty mug of yours...
22:41.43dataw0lf|wOhp, wait, here's another one: wall -g graphics Graphics machines going down at 1400 for maintenance.
22:42.09dataw0lf|wnow, go ahead, respond 'Yeah, but what if you type who!!!! WHERES THE USE IN THAT'
22:42.27eco|wHehe
22:42.32macnewboldwhatever man...
22:42.49macnewboldyou ought to lay off of that strong stuff a bit, at least during work hours
22:43.49dataw0lf|wI'm unsure what you are referring to, but cocaine + system administration go together like peas and carrots.
22:44.16dataw0lf|wI kid, sir, I kid.
22:44.45dataw0lf|wI'm thinking of going to the server room and broadcasting ls while drooling and muttering incoherently.
22:45.19macnewboldit would be much more fun to broadcast something like "cat /dev/random > /dev/audio"
22:45.34macnewboldbut that works better on other people's desktop boxes than on servers
22:45.56optikal`haha
22:47.09macnewboldon Sun workstations in the computer labs up at the UofU, you can also "cat /dev/mouse > /dev/audio", which is pretty fun. it makes funny noises every time someone moves the mouse... usually a cool clicking sound.
22:47.24macnewboldjust leave it there for a while, and watch what people do when they sit down at it
22:47.35dataw0lf|whmmmm.
22:47.43dataw0lf|wnever done that one before.
22:47.53dataw0lf|wso I'm coming over to your place this weekend, optikal.
22:47.57eco|wI like cat /dev/urandom > /dev/mouse
22:48.00macnewboldso have y'all seen the napoleon dynamite billboards from Omniture?
22:48.16macnewbolddev/mouse doesn't do anything interesting when you give it input
22:48.17jsmithmacnewbold: Uh... yeah, I have, actually...
22:48.18beandogNo
22:48.27macnewboldif it did, though, that would be pretty cool
22:48.27eco|wSure it does
22:48.36eco|wTry it.
22:48.48dataw0lf|wdon't we have a quote of that somewhere?
22:48.49macnewboldkeep your eyes open on the way to/from the UPHPU meeting tonight
22:49.07eco|wdataw0lf|w: Yes.
22:49.07macnewboldone says "Nunchuk skills, C++ Skills, Moon Boots"
22:49.13optikal`dataw0lf: hehe yah
22:49.14optikal`err
22:49.16beandogOh yah, Ive seen that one
22:49.24eco|wVeruus vs. Elmist.
22:49.31optikal`^
22:49.43dataw0lf|wyeah, that was great.
22:49.54macnewboldanother said something like "Tetherball skills, MySQL skills, Tater Tots"
22:50.13beandogSo does anyone here actually work at omniture
22:50.26wpsjsmith does
22:50.38beandogwhats it like?
22:51.33dataw0lf|wwhat's a good phone with ssh capability?
22:51.58jsmithbeandog: It's a blast.
22:52.19beandogWhere are they located anyway
22:52.21jsmithbeandog: /msg me for more details, as I'm sure nobody else wants to hear all the gory details.
22:52.30macnewboldyeah, we do :)
22:52.32jsmithbeandog: Orem.  Old Wordperfect campus.
22:52.39jsmithmacnewbold: OK, I give.
22:52.43macnewbolddataw0lf: phone with ssh capabilities?
22:52.54jsmith1) It's an exciting company to work for.
22:53.08macnewboldoutgoing ssh or incoming ssh?
22:53.15dataw0lf|wmacnewbold: outgoing.
22:53.27beandogIf I bring my laptop tonight is there gonna be a place to plug it in?
22:53.38eco|wBut what if you want to shell into your phone and play Snake?
22:53.41eco|wWhat then?
22:53.42macnewboldbeandog: I know they've got wireless, and limited amount of plugs
22:53.42jsmith2) We're profitable, growing like mad, and privately held
22:53.46wpsthere's wireless
22:54.23macnewbolddataw0lf: are you talking cell phones? Or normal? The treo is the one I've heard most about
22:54.34macnewbolds/most about/about most/
22:54.38beandogwps: k, thx
22:54.54dataw0lf|wmacnewbold: I was just wondering if anybody had one they had that they liked alot and could give me the thumbs up / down.
22:55.10dataw0lf|wI was about to apply at Omniture.
22:55.52dataw0lf|wif I didn't get a good sys admin job I was thinking I was gonna have to go back to ye old programming for a living.
22:56.28beandogI think Id rather do programming than sysadminning.
22:56.43optikal`Im enjoying the programming aspect, because Im getting paid to learn what I want to learn. =)
22:57.28dataw0lf|wbeandog: not me.
22:57.30macnewboldI'm with beandog... sysadminning is the necessary evil that goes along with programming skillz
22:57.39dataw0lf|wI mean, I do bash scripting, and some C / PHP work here.
22:57.43macnewboldoptikal: where you work?
22:57.55beandogI'm debugging Windows boxes.
22:57.55dataw0lf|wbut I much prefer the sys adminning side of things.
22:58.00beandogIf it were Linux, I wouldnt mind it.
22:58.21optikal`http://www.ezwatchstore.com/ - Laugh at the design for me.. I didnt do it, and I strangle by boss everytime I have to dink with ait.
22:58.43dataw0lf|wYeah, the Windows 2k boxes we have here are necessary evils.  But we actually have more POSIX systems here than Windows systems.
22:58.47optikal`Ive been doing a lot of backend php stuff for him, and recently wrapping up the inhouse shopping cart and getting it off bCentral.
22:58.49dataw0lf|wSo I'm happy.
22:58.53beandogIts good to see title tags with 1000 characters coming back, optikal`  :)
22:59.28optikal`beandog: meh, its a recommendation that my boss wanted me to put on for SEO.
22:59.34optikal`keywoards provided by a ranking company.
22:59.39beandogAnyone who has one of those "secure ordering" certs needs to be beat on the head.
22:59.44optikal`*keywords
22:59.45macnewboldoptikal: where's your boss getting his SEO advice? And what are they smoking?
23:00.13optikal`macnewbold: http://www.keywordranking.com/
23:00.31macnewboldthey said to put a bajillion words into the title tag?
23:00.34beandogbueno, Im outta.  SEeya tonight.
23:00.55macnewboldthat just screams "I'm trying too hard to get good rankings!"
23:00.58optikal`macnewbold: well, 14 words.. but yeah.
23:01.02macnewboldinstead of looking like a normal site
23:01.05macnewboldah, 14 words
23:01.12macnewboldis it a real title, or just a string of keywords?
23:02.01optikal`both, really.. I plan on doing a overhaul of a lot of things shortly
23:02.07optikal`Mostly the design/layout of the site. *shudder*
23:04.43dataw0lf|wI'm out.
23:05.47jsmithShoot -- beandog left before I could finish my speil.
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23:09.07jsmithbeandog: You're back!
23:09.20jsmithbeandog: I didn't get to finish telling you all the wonderful things about Omniture!
23:11.44beandogoh, my bad
23:11.46beandogkeep going :)
23:12.29jsmith3) Lots of opportunity to work on something you like -- in other words, we're growing fast enough that there are plenty of different openings on different teams, etc.
23:12.58jsmith4) A company that cares about making the work environment fun (pool tables, game room, etc.)
23:13.24jsmith5) Opportunity to work with big-name clients, like eBay, HP, Walmart, etc.
23:15.37beandogcool
23:15.49beandogalmost sounds lke what novell used to be
23:23.43jsmithYeah, sounds about right.
23:24.21jsmithIt's nice to work for a company that's high growth, but not a startup and not living off of VC money
23:24.36beandogHmm
23:24.39beandogThat *would* be nice.
23:25.01beandogThats kinda my company's situation, except were a Windows shop. :T
23:31.03jsmithAh, they joys of working for a Windows shop.
23:31.16jsmithbeandog: Anyhoo, if you're interested, fire me over a resume and I'll hand-deliver it
23:49.18scottI like omniture's website
23:49.38scottexcept the menus come up underneath the flash
23:53.54jsmithscott: To be honest, I haven't looked at the website since they changed the layout.
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23:55.39scotthow many employees does omniture have in orem?
23:58.06scottthere are quite a few job openings presently
23:58.17jsmithscott: Around 200 here in Orem, give or take a dozen
23:58.30jsmithscott: And yes, we've got quite a few job openings in most departments.
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