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| 03:46.16 | optikal | hey |
| 03:46.28 | optikal | i linked up some color mixer sites a week or two ago.. anyone got those? =) |
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| 14:09.07 | macnewbold | optikal: if you put the links here in the IRC, then jbot has the archive for you: |
| 14:09.10 | macnewbold | ~uphpu-archives |
| 14:09.22 | macnewbold | ~uphpu archives |
| 14:09.23 | jbot | somebody said uphpu archives was http://ibot.rikers.org/%23uphpu/, or http://uphpu.org/pipermail/uphpu/ |
| 14:09.39 | macnewbold | the rikers.org one is the IRC log |
| 14:09.49 | macnewbold | google indexes it too, so you could search it that way |
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| 14:21.30 | tbye | http://slashdot.org/articles/05/04/18/1355233.shtml?tid=98 |
| 14:21.38 | tbye | whoa |
| 14:25.36 | dataw0lf|w | the baby Jesus weeps. |
| 14:25.52 | bigdog_ut | who cares |
| 14:27.08 | dataw0lf|w | consumers with half a brain. |
| 14:27.09 | bigdog_ut | it would be great if coldfusion was no more |
| 14:27.36 | tbye | i think it's a great suite of tools |
| 14:27.56 | tbye | can't deny flash... that's for sure |
| 14:28.16 | bigdog_ut | i deny flash...i dont like it at all |
| 14:28.17 | dataw0lf|w | sure I can. |
| 14:28.23 | tbye | adobe might be bad for it going forward though |
| 14:29.04 | bigdog_ut | agreed |
| 14:30.22 | bigdog_ut | the only thing i use that might be effected is the flash plugin |
| 14:30.29 | bigdog_ut | but i can live without it |
| 14:31.16 | tbye | i'v got a few flash video clients that might be concerned |
| 14:31.34 | dataw0lf|w | I got happy tree friends on my hard drive. |
| 14:31.39 | dataw0lf|w | so the flash plugin can go. |
| 14:31.45 | dataw0lf|w | in fact, I wish it would. |
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| 14:32.00 | bigdog_ut | no doubt |
| 14:32.29 | bigdog_ut | i wonder what products adobe will keep |
| 14:33.06 | dataw0lf|w | does Macromedia produce anything worthwhile? |
| 14:33.08 | dataw0lf|w | I mean, honestly. |
| 14:33.41 | bigdog_ut | many will same dreamweaver...but eclipse is better |
| 14:33.49 | dataw0lf|w | Dreamweaver?? |
| 14:33.59 | dataw0lf|w | That's ridiculous. |
| 14:34.05 | bigdog_ut | or there mx suite |
| 14:34.20 | dataw0lf|w | I've never really touched MX, so I can't say either way. |
| 14:34.38 | bigdog_ut | we have a lot of ui guys that use it here...i am not a big fan though |
| 14:34.59 | bigdog_ut | studio tries to pimp xml all the time..and it sucks |
| 14:38.21 | wps | DreamWeaver is the best WYSIWYG editor there is, but... I still denounce them... if a coder can't code by hand, he's not worth his hire |
| 14:38.34 | wps | thus, Macromedia's only worthwhile product is Flash |
| 14:40.13 | bigdog_ut | at best |
| 14:40.30 | dataw0lf|w | 'worthwhile' meaning 'least sucky' |
| 14:40.33 | dataw0lf|w | which isn't saying much. |
| 14:41.07 | dataw0lf|w | but, the truth is, guys using Dreamweaver aren't coders. They're graphical designers. |
| 14:42.06 | bigdog_ut | or something |
| 14:42.21 | dataw0lf|w | hehe. |
| 14:42.32 | dataw0lf|w | we're on the same wave length. I'm just trying to be nice. |
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| 15:04.20 | optikal|w | macnewbold: that rikers.org link for the irc logs does not work... |
| 15:06.00 | macnewbold | this one, optikal? http://ibot.rikers.org/%23uphpu/ |
| 15:06.07 | macnewbold | works fine for me. |
| 15:06.19 | macnewbold | you could also try http://ibot.rikers.org/#uphpu/ |
| 15:06.24 | macnewbold | since # is %23 |
| 15:06.33 | macnewbold | but your browser/server might choke on it |
| 15:06.46 | macnewbold | I bet your IRC client is encoding the % when it's meant literally |
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| 15:10.54 | optikal|w | macnewbold: no, im just so tired it picked up the , after the link and sent it to the browser with it.. lol thanks |
| 15:11.04 | macnewbold | hehe :) |
| 15:11.09 | optikal|w | prob have 1.5hrs of sleep, im dead. could not sleep for the life of me |
| 15:11.37 | macnewbold | yeah, that's why I make sure never to put punctuation directly after a URL or email address... but apparently jbot doesn't care |
| 15:12.04 | optikal|w | hehe |
| 15:12.40 | dataw0lf|w | Ha! 45 minutes of sleep, and I'm going strong like bull. |
| 15:13.23 | optikal|w | Im not entirely dead, yet.. i will be in a few hours, im sure. |
| 15:14.21 | dataw0lf|w | I was fixing a corrupted 1000 line iptables script until 3 am. Then I spent an hour trying to figure out why older versions of X on Tru64 fail to load if they can't connect to an outside IP. |
| 15:15.04 | optikal|w | I was, for the most part, laying in bed wide awake. |
| 15:15.24 | optikal|w | So I read for a few hours, and that still didnt help. |
| 15:15.32 | dataw0lf|w | I told you, smoking crack before bedtime isn't very intelligent. |
| 15:16.18 | optikal|w | hehe |
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| 15:21.16 | dataw0lf|w | I just goatsed my boss. |
| 15:21.57 | dataw0lf|w | uh oh, he's going to pick up a pair of scissors. |
| 15:27.40 | optikal|w | haha |
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| 19:10.49 | scott | re the post on the site: What I'd really be interested in is how to actually make a great site w/ php. I have a basic understanding of php and using it with mysql and using CSS to spiffy up the pages, but I want to learn how to layout an entire site in the best way possible. right now the site is using fusebox which is a pain and my personal site just has include("header.php") and footer.php on each page, which doesn't allow for a lot of variety. For me atleast |
| 19:11.57 | scott | I think it would be cool too to use subversion on my development system for all the files and then have just the latest version of everything put on the website |
| 19:12.15 | scott | so I'd have a history of all my changes |
| 19:14.01 | macnewbold | scott: I use a header/footer layout on my sites too... what variety are you trying to get that you're not able to do with it? |
| 19:14.37 | dataw0lf|w | I think he's talking about general layout and design with PHP + XHTML |
| 19:15.55 | scott | I was thinking of the best way to layout the site, so that menus are built dynamically--like I can add a page really easily or refactor the content on the site |
| 19:16.13 | scott | like I could just put a bunch of php files in a directory |
| 19:16.33 | dataw0lf|w | abstract said items into functions and classes. |
| 19:51.21 | macnewbold | a lot of that stuff is exactly what I do in my header file(s), scott... Dynamically built menus are a life saver when you have a site that changes from time to time |
| 19:53.06 | scott | macnewbold: is there a really great general header file already available? |
| 19:54.16 | macnewbold | not particularly, it depends a lot on what you want to do |
| 19:54.51 | macnewbold | I have a file I include with some basic functions (wrappers for db queries, email sending, formatting money output, etc.) |
| 19:54.58 | macnewbold | and a file that sets up some basic definitions |
| 19:55.17 | macnewbold | like my db server/username/password, base URL for the site, etc. |
| 19:55.39 | macnewbold | it handles going secure when needed, on certain pages, and grabs anything I need out of the post/get/session vars |
| 19:55.47 | macnewbold | and often handles user login/logout stuff |
| 19:56.24 | macnewbold | then that gets included by my header.php, which is a site specific file for generating the dynamic menus and outputting the top half of the html "template" for the site |
| 19:56.59 | macnewbold | often that file will use the current page name to do something special, like expand a submenu, or change the title or a header tag somewhere or something. |
| 19:57.40 | macnewbold | it seems that a lot of that kind of stuff is a matter of personal choice, |
| 19:58.03 | macnewbold | except where the principles of good modular software design indicate a clear winner |
| 19:58.20 | macnewbold | does that help any, scott? Maybe I'm not sure what you're looking for or trying to do? |
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| 19:59.47 | dataw0lf|w | I think everybody builds their own templates as they progress, it's a part of learning PHP. I know I do. |
| 20:01.01 | jsmith | dataw0lf: I think you're absolutely right there. |
| 20:01.16 | jsmith | dataw0lf: And everyone starts out writing their own db abstraction layer too, which is a shame. |
| 20:03.46 | alphahawk | question if I want to block a hacker I am assuming best spot to do it is at my isp. Is there anything I can do to get that persons isp to do something? |
| 20:04.29 | jsmith | alphahawk: Depends on who their ISP is. Easiest way is to get your attorney to send a "cease and decist" letter to the ISP. |
| 20:05.29 | dataw0lf|w | jsmith: agreed. |
| 20:05.38 | alphahawk | Unfortunatly their isp is in asia so a cease and decist is going to be a joke. That is why I am going to ask my isp to block them I am also blocking them with my server. Its just a pain to have to do it |
| 20:05.47 | dataw0lf|w | *desist |
| 20:05.59 | alphahawk | however ya spell it |
| 20:06.00 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Yeah, I thought that looked wrong :-) |
| 20:06.03 | dataw0lf|w | Man, I'm so tired I'm starting to see stuff. |
| 20:07.44 | dataw0lf|w | And I still have absolutely no idea why X / CDE on two Tru64 workstations will not function if they're not connected to the actual internet. |
| 20:08.08 | dataw0lf|w | it's not a big deal, but I really, really want to know. Because it's worrying me. |
| 20:14.39 | macnewbold | an even better misspelling: "seize and decyst" |
| 20:14.58 | jsmith | :-) |
| 20:16.32 | macnewbold | alphahawk: you can probably get your isp to do something about it |
| 20:16.41 | macnewbold | especially if it's XMission or something ;) |
| 20:17.39 | macnewbold | "seize and decyst": what they do when they operate on unwilling tumor patients |
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| 20:18.07 | alphahawk | macnewbold: ya I know unfortunatly don't have xmission at this location. The isp is going to block it though and I am blocking right now with my server just whish I could do something to get there isp to stop them |
| 20:20.18 | alphahawk | especially since this guy trying this time has given me 5 megs of logs attempting to get into my system |
| 20:20.59 | macnewbold | if he's using a significant amount of bandwidth, then you might be able to get somebody other than you to care about it enough to turn it off |
| 20:21.52 | macnewbold | if it's not using much bandwidth, just block him on your end, and either stop it from getting into the log files or rotate your logs more often (newsyslog is your friend :)) |
| 20:22.02 | bigdog_ut | alphahawk, just get dataw0lf to get some of his 2600 guys to take care of it |
| 20:22.45 | dataw0lf|w | Monies plz. k thnx. |
| 20:23.15 | dataw0lf|w | ok, I'm going to go install this 16 port KVM w/ terminal into one of our cabinets. |
| 20:23.19 | dataw0lf|w | it's sexy. |
| 20:25.11 | fungus | How much did that run? |
| 20:25.34 | dataw0lf|w | 5k, I believe. |
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| 20:32.19 | bigdog_ut | is there anything worse than debugging someones crap shell scripting |
| 20:32.56 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Have you ever tried to debug a 20,000 line c-shell script? |
| 20:34.51 | bigdog_ut | no...but that would definitely be worse |
| 20:35.13 | bigdog_ut | i like when you go from sh to bash to ksh to csh to zsh and then back to no shell |
| 20:35.19 | bigdog_ut | the no shell is my favorite |
| 20:37.07 | alphahawk | macnewbold: not a issue anymore having fun slowing him down a little bit now. I just look at the logs at whats he is doing and then move my ports around to ones he has already scanned. |
| 20:37.35 | alphahawk | now the question is how mean do I want to be to him? Should I hit him back or not hmmm..... |
| 20:37.56 | jsmith | alphahawk: Tarpit. |
| 20:38.33 | bigdog_ut | alphahawk, hping2 -1 -a www.fbi.gov <his ip> |
| 20:40.09 | alphahawk | hping2? |
| 20:41.46 | alphahawk | ahhhh hping2 now that is intresting command. Lets 2 50 t1's using hping all pointing back to fbi.gov |
| 20:41.47 | dataw0lf|w | hehe |
| 20:42.04 | alphahawk | err lets see |
| 20:43.17 | alphahawk | jsmith so where can I grab a copy of tarpit now? |
| 20:43.32 | jsmith | Not sure... |
| 20:45.03 | alphahawk | tarpit that just looks like a real handy tool |
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| 20:46.18 | alphahawk | unfortunatly its probably illegal to do that in utah |
| 20:49.41 | fungus | tarpitting illegal in utah?? We have been doing it for years. |
| 20:50.10 | jsmith | Why would it be illegal? |
| 20:50.41 | xilch|w | you never know what could be illegal here. :) |
| 20:52.00 | bigdog_ut | http://www.hackbusters.net/LaBrea/ |
| 20:52.51 | jsmith | xilch|w: Did you know it's illegal to fish from horseback in Utah? Or to walk down the street with a violin in a paper bag? |
| 20:52.53 | fungus | That is the system we use. |
| 20:54.44 | xilch|w | jsmith: I've heard the violin one |
| 20:55.23 | bigdog_ut | It is illegal to detonate any nuclear weapon. You can have them, but you just can't detonate them. |
| 20:55.32 | bigdog_ut | Birds have the right of way on all highways. |
| 20:55.45 | bigdog_ut | rlol -> When a person reaches the age of 50, he/she can then marry their cousin. |
| 20:55.53 | alphahawk | fungus: I am jsut speculating. |
| 20:56.01 | bigdog_ut | sucks -> A husband is responsible for every criminal act committed by his wife while she is in his presence. |
| 20:56.10 | xilch|w | swete! just 20 more years to go. |
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| 20:56.20 | alphahawk | haha |
| 20:56.21 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf hates -> You're not allowed to sell beverages containing more than 3.2% alcohol. |
| 20:56.43 | xilch|w | yeah - that's one of the beloved ones right there |
| 20:57.02 | bigdog_ut | i almost got kicked out of the mtc for this one: |
| 20:57.06 | alphahawk | okay where is a list of stupid utah laws? I want to see how many I broken |
| 20:57.11 | bigdog_ut | Provo: Throwing snowballs will result in a $50 fine. |
| 20:57.32 | xilch|w | wow - no snowballs |
| 20:57.55 | bigdog_ut | trout creek -> Pharmacists may not sell gunpowder to cure headaches. |
| 20:57.55 | optikal- | You guys are criminals! |
| 20:57.58 | alphahawk | another reason provo is a boring place to live |
| 20:57.58 | fungus | at least utah hasn't passed any Super DMCA laws yet. |
| 20:57.58 | fungus | alphahawk, I agree, utah seems to be the first in stupid legislation. |
| 20:58.21 | bigdog_ut | Monroe -> Daylight must be visible between partners on a dance floor. |
| 20:58.25 | alphahawk | Fungus: Well thats good time to get a tarpit setup then |
| 20:59.10 | alphahawk | Alcohol may not be sold during an emergency |
| 20:59.33 | bigdog_ut | nice...i think that is when i would want it the most |
| 20:59.38 | fungus | yay, emergency drunken orgies daily. |
| 20:59.38 | alphahawk | It is illegal to cause a catastrophe. |
| 21:00.11 | bigdog_ut | ogden -> Persons are only allowed to keep one cow on their property |
| 21:00.17 | alphahawk | It is illegal to have sex in a moving ambulance and if you are caught the guy is let go and the woman is punished and her name appears in the newspaper. (Tremonton) |
| 21:01.06 | bigdog_ut | alabama -> It is illegal to wear a fake moustache that causes laughter in church. |
| 21:01.21 | bigdog_ut | alabama -> Boogers may not be flicked into the wind. |
| 21:01.32 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: in SLC you can keep two cows on your property, but only with a permit |
| 21:01.47 | alphahawk | Washinton: It is illegal to pretend that one's parents are rich. |
| 21:01.50 | bigdog_ut | man, there goes the neighborhood |
| 21:02.08 | macnewbold | also, up to 25 each of chickens, roosters, ducks, geese, and two each of lambs, mules, donkeys, horses, etc. |
| 21:02.25 | fungus | it will start the slippery slope, and soon everyone will have 50 cows in their yards. |
| 21:03.33 | macnewbold | we've just got 9 chickens and a dog |
| 21:03.42 | macnewbold | (not including my two sons - they're monkeys) |
| 21:03.53 | bigdog_ut | alaska -> Moose may not be viewed from an airplane. |
| 21:04.25 | alphahawk | Pennsylvania -> It is illegal to have over 16 women live in a house together because that constitutes a brothel. However up to 120 men can live together, without breaking the law. |
| 21:04.25 | bigdog_ut | alaska -> It is considered an offense to push a live moose out of a moving airplane. |
| 21:05.02 | alphahawk | Pennsylvania -> Ministers are forbidden from performing marriages when either the bride or groom is drunk |
| 21:05.22 | bigdog_ut | wy -> It is illegal for women to stand within five feet of a bar while drinking. |
| 21:05.49 | alphahawk | Pennsylvania -> All fire hydrants must be checked one hour before all fires. |
| 21:05.55 | bigdog_ut | wy -> Junk dealers may not make any business transactions with drunk persons. |
| 21:07.03 | alphahawk | TN -> You can't shoot any game other than whales from a moving automobile. |
| 21:07.15 | bigdog_ut | miss -> Unnatural intercourse, if both parties voluntarily participate, results in a maximum sentence of 10 years and $10,000. |
| 21:07.40 | bigdog_ut | miss -> It is illegal for a male to be sexually aroused in public. |
| 21:07.40 | dataw0lf|w | what constitutes unnatural? |
| 21:08.06 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w, Every person who shall be convicted of the detestable and abominable crime against nature committed with mankind or with a beast, shall be punished by imprisonment in the penitentiary for a term of not more than ten years |
| 21:08.48 | fungus | I guess everyone in miss should be jailed then. |
| 21:08.54 | alphahawk | oregon -> It is illegal to whisper "dirty" things in your lover's ear during sex |
| 21:08.57 | dataw0lf|w | and Utah. |
| 21:09.02 | bigdog_ut | miss -> No one may bribe any athlete to "rig" a game, match, tournament, etc. with the exception of wrestlers. |
| 21:09.29 | bigdog_ut | rlol miss -> It is illegal to teach others what polygamy is. |
| 21:09.55 | alphahawk | Oklahoma -> Dogs must have a permit signed by the mayor in order to congregate in groups of three or more on private property. |
| 21:10.20 | bigdog_ut | miss -> A man may not seduce a woman by lying, and claiming he will marry her. |
| 21:10.54 | alphahawk | Oklahoma -> If you wear New York Jets clothing, you may be put in jail. |
| 21:11.17 | bigdog_ut | kentucky -> Dogs may not molest cars. |
| 21:11.47 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf this is for you man!!! kentucky -> By law, anyone who has been drinking is "sober" until he or she "cannot hold onto the ground." |
| 21:11.53 | alphahawk | Ohio -> No one may be arrested on Sunday or on the Fourth of July. |
| 21:12.20 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, and this is for you and synic kentucky -> One may not receive anal sex. |
| 21:13.36 | alphahawk | NY -> Women may go topless in public, providing it is not being used as a business |
| 21:19.42 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: I'm laughing on the inside. |
| 21:25.19 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w, that was for u man |
| 21:26.44 | dataw0lf|w | I got something for you. |
| 21:26.51 | dataw0lf|w | All I can say is thank god we're not in Kentucky. |
| 21:26.55 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 21:26.59 | bigdog_ut | rlol |
| 21:27.13 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w, you coming to the meeting tomorrow? |
| 21:32.16 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: eh. I dunno. |
| 21:33.06 | bigdog_ut | you need too |
| 21:33.30 | dataw0lf|w | Hey, I'm a busy, busy man. |
| 21:33.40 | bigdog_ut | sure man...sure |
| 21:33.44 | dataw0lf|w | I have fans that I need to pander to, y'know. |
| 21:34.01 | bigdog_ut | yeah...but you need to support the locals |
| 21:34.22 | dataw0lf|w | I'll see what I can do. |
| 21:34.25 | xilch|w | dataw0lf|w: you and your busy man bit. You've been mia way too much lately |
| 21:34.42 | xilch|w | dataw0lf|w: I miss your swete caress |
| 21:34.56 | dataw0lf|w | doesn't everybody? |
| 21:35.38 | dataw0lf|w | sorry, if it's 'going out and getting drunk versus not going out and getting a restful night's sleep before work', I'll pick the latter. |
| 21:35.52 | dataw0lf|w | i'm getting older. I'm not as sprightly as I used to be. |
| 21:35.58 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 21:36.28 | xilch|w | dataw0lf|w: you got no room to talk - I'm over 3 decades now, you know. |
| 21:36.47 | synic | oldy mcolderton |
| 21:36.52 | xilch|w | dataw0lf|w: anyway, synic and I are prolly going, if you want to ride us. |
| 21:36.54 | xilch|w | +with |
| 21:39.52 | dataw0lf|w | hm. |
| 21:40.10 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, but I've done enough drugs to kill a small army of African cannibal pygmies. |
| 21:40.26 | dataw0lf|w | Not to mention the 3 years on the army, which, physically, is the equivalent of 10 years of normal life. |
| 21:40.31 | dataw0lf|w | However, I shall go. |
| 21:40.34 | dataw0lf|w | Thus, it is decreed. |
| 21:40.43 | xilch|w | so let it be written |
| 21:40.50 | dataw0lf|w | SO LET IT BE DONE. |
| 21:41.25 | dataw0lf|w | I can bring my anti Bush laptop too, just for kicks. |
| 21:41.34 | xilch|w | jes! |
| 21:41.46 | dataw0lf|w | which I need to dist-upgrade tonight. |
| 21:41.58 | bigdog_ut | likewise |
| 21:43.29 | dataw0lf|w | what's le topic of tomorrow's meeting? |
| 21:43.41 | wps | ~uphpu |
| 21:44.16 | dataw0lf|w | Ah, zee bigdog_ut. |
| 21:44.46 | dataw0lf|w | PHP & GTK. That shall be interesting. |
| 21:45.01 | bigdog_ut | not really if you know gtk |
| 21:45.04 | dataw0lf|w | Has anybody here actually done any PHP + GTK work (excluding bigdog_ut, of course) ? |
| 21:45.16 | dataw0lf|w | I haven't done any GTK for a bit. |
| 21:45.26 | dataw0lf|w | Been learning wxWidgets as a replacement. |
| 21:46.05 | bigdog_ut | wxWidgets is nice...i have been messing with it too |
| 21:46.11 | bigdog_ut | very cross platform |
| 21:46.12 | dataw0lf|w | it is nice. |
| 21:46.19 | dataw0lf|w | tierra and eco got me started on it. |
| 21:46.29 | jsmith | dataw0lf: I've done some PHP-GTK |
| 21:46.40 | dataw0lf|w | jsmith: is it amusing? |
| 21:46.41 | bigdog_ut | gtk is good if you like using ruby, python and perl |
| 21:46.56 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Yes, it's amusing. I wouldn't use it for production stuff though. |
| 21:47.02 | dataw0lf|w | jsmith: course not. |
| 21:47.15 | jsmith | But yes, it is fun to play 'round with. |
| 21:47.31 | dataw0lf|w | word. |
| 21:47.42 | xilch|w | why not use it for production? |
| 21:47.55 | bigdog_ut | cause the code is not production worthy |
| 21:48.02 | dataw0lf|w | there's much, much better solutions. |
| 21:48.13 | jsmith | xilch|w: Because it'll eat your children, etc. |
| 21:48.19 | bigdog_ut | and that too |
| 21:48.42 | dataw0lf|w | don't let my parents in on that one. |
| 21:48.49 | bigdog_ut | i would use python+gtk before php+gtk |
| 21:49.03 | dataw0lf|w | PyGTK isn't too bad. |
| 21:49.38 | macnewbold | anyone in here know much about sendmail? |
| 21:49.49 | dataw0lf|w | a bit. |
| 21:49.50 | macnewbold | (other than to avoid messing with the .cf files) |
| 21:50.06 | macnewbold | I've got a domain that is hosted on my server, but it's MX is elsewhere |
| 21:50.07 | dataw0lf|w | enough to know that there's much better solutions, too. ;) |
| 21:50.22 | macnewbold | i.e. domainname.com is on the box, but mx points to a different computer |
| 21:50.35 | dataw0lf|w | roger. |
| 21:50.49 | fungus | Just leave domainname.com out of the local-host-names file. ?? |
| 21:50.53 | macnewbold | I'm getting a problem where mail to someone@domainname.com is getting processed locally, and trying to deliver, and bouncing, |
| 21:50.59 | macnewbold | instead of sending to the mx |
| 21:51.12 | macnewbold | fungus: yeah, I did that. the domain name isn't set up at all in sendmail |
| 21:51.32 | dataw0lf|w | pf it? |
| 21:51.57 | macnewbold | about the only thing I can think of is that it looks up the IP of the hostname before checking the mx, and since the IP is local, it skips the mx |
| 21:52.03 | macnewbold | any ideas how to force it to do otherwise? |
| 21:52.18 | macnewbold | emails generated on the server (by the web site, for example) are not getting to their proper final destination |
| 21:52.34 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: pf? |
| 21:52.39 | macnewbold | how would that help? |
| 21:52.52 | dataw0lf|w | I thought you were talking about all mail was going to the local domain name. |
| 21:53.14 | macnewbold | no, the domainname.com resolves to an IP on the local host, even though the MX is elsewhere |
| 21:53.14 | xilch|w | so yeah, I thought you were talking about not using gtk for production, but I just re-read it |
| 21:53.28 | macnewbold | it tries to deliver locally, but of course nothing works |
| 21:54.10 | dataw0lf|w | Hm, I'm sure Sendmail has four million configuration settings just dealing with that. |
| 21:54.22 | macnewbold | yeah, that's the problem... I don't know a single one of them :) |
| 21:54.31 | macnewbold | I'm even at a loss of what to google for :) |
| 21:55.17 | fungus | I guess you could try adding in a SMART_HOST directive. |
| 21:55.19 | dataw0lf|w | http://www.sendmail.org/m4/masquerading.html |
| 21:55.25 | dataw0lf|w | this might be what you're looking for. |
| 21:55.27 | dataw0lf|w | I'm unsure |
| 21:58.06 | dataw0lf|w | god, Sendmail is a beast. |
| 21:58.44 | dataw0lf|w | I pity anyone who has to work with it (including myself, unfortunately). |
| 21:59.05 | fungus | add in define(`confDOMAIN_NAME', `www.domainname.com')dnl |
| 21:59.43 | fungus | This will force your system to think it's local domainname includes the www. therefore emails to domainname.com will not be considered local. |
| 22:00.19 | fungus | http://www.sendmail.org/m4/whoami.html |
| 22:01.01 | dataw0lf|w | that seems rather hackalicious, no ? |
| 22:01.51 | fungus | Not really. It is only this way because his server is returning only the domainname for the call gethostbyname(). |
| 22:02.28 | dataw0lf|w | Right, and you're getting around it with a hack. |
| 22:03.46 | fungus | Correct, he actually should just simply fix the hostname on the system to not report domain.com |
| 22:04.37 | dataw0lf|w | very good. |
| 22:05.07 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.19 | fungus | not hostname="domainname.com" |
| 22:05.36 | dataw0lf|w | vi /etc/hosts |
| 22:05.55 | cycokilr | sendmail is easy.. what are you complaining about.. |
| 22:06.20 | cycokilr | it's just not very secure.. |
| 22:06.22 | dataw0lf|w | When did easy mean it wasn't crap? that's usually a good indication, in fact. |
| 22:06.35 | dataw0lf|w | it's incredibly monolithic and has a bad design. |
| 22:06.39 | cycokilr | good point.. |
| 22:07.14 | cycokilr | what can you expect.. it hasn't changed for like 20 years.. |
| 22:07.31 | cycokilr | just added on to.. |
| 22:08.55 | dataw0lf|w | god, you and your '..'s. I swear, it drives me insane. |
| 22:09.07 | cycokilr | moi?? |
| 22:09.14 | cycokilr | i don't mean to offend....... |
| 22:09.20 | dataw0lf|w | hehe. |
| 22:09.48 | cycokilr | alright.. just thought i'd throw in a couple nickels.. gotta go cable an office building now.. later................. |
| 22:10.01 | cycokilr | .. |
| 22:10.18 | macnewbold | fungus: the domain name in question is one of many that point to the box, and not the main domain name of the server. |
| 22:10.50 | fungus | Oh, then it must be the reverse name of the IP. |
| 22:16.08 | bigdog_ut | sendmail is your friend |
| 22:16.45 | bigdog_ut | using sendmail in kentucky will land you in jail |
| 22:17.12 | dataw0lf|w | hehe. |
| 22:17.17 | dataw0lf|w | true that. |
| 22:24.37 | bigdog_ut | is there a way to get all the dns entries for a subdomain from dig or host command? |
| 22:25.15 | fungus | dig axfr domain.com |
| 22:25.32 | jsmith | Assuming, of course, they allow zone transfers, right? |
| 22:25.40 | bigdog_ut | oh...they do...lol |
| 22:26.38 | bigdog_ut | thanks fungus |
| 22:26.57 | fungus | np, I am glad you "dig" it. |
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| 22:51.07 | bigdog_ut | is there a way to find out the host names of dhcp clients? |
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| 23:05.08 | fungus | isn't it in /var/db/dhcpd.leases? |
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