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| 01:08.30 | dataw0lf | tierra: see, if you had jedit, you could use the sftp plugin semi transparently. |
| 01:08.44 | dataw0lf | synic / usynic: let's play some fucking bzflag. |
| 01:08.47 | dataw0lf | erp |
| 01:08.53 | dataw0lf | sorry for the language |
| 01:08.59 | tierra | there's no ftp setup on the freebsd box |
| 01:09.09 | tierra | though I was told I could have it setup if I needed it |
| 01:09.17 | dataw0lf | what freebsd box are you on? |
| 01:09.22 | dataw0lf | whose, that is. |
| 01:09.33 | tierra | like I said, it's pretty stripped down... it's Hackajar's |
| 01:09.51 | tierra | from the DC702 crew |
| 01:10.17 | dataw0lf | ahh. |
| 01:10.41 | tierra | I know the DC702 crew a lot better than the 303 crew |
| 01:11.24 | dataw0lf | well, I think everyone who goes to DC has a passing familiarity with the 702 crew as a whole. |
| 01:11.32 | tierra | but that's mostly because I've been helping run the Scavenger Hunt for the past 3 years, and they've had a team all 3 years |
| 01:11.46 | tierra | yeah, true |
| 01:11.58 | dataw0lf | man, where is synic, xilch? |
| 01:12.04 | dataw0lf | I want some hawt bzflag action. |
| 01:12.35 | dataw0lf | man, coming back to my home monitor is depressing. |
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| 05:28.08 | bigdog_ut | evenin all |
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| 06:00.00 | bigdog_ut | everyone asleep |
| 06:11.32 | tierra | will be in a bit |
| 06:12.02 | bigdog_ut | well man...im just configuring some drives with lvm |
| 06:13.24 | bigdog_ut | whatch u doing tierra? |
| 06:14.06 | tierra | my new 250gb drive just showed up today, so I'll probably be working on that tomorrow |
| 06:14.18 | bigdog_ut | oh nice |
| 06:14.48 | bigdog_ut | ive got some crappy a** documentation to write tomorrow |
| 06:15.03 | bigdog_ut | that is the suckest thing with my job |
| 06:15.05 | tierra | I've been using all but probably 2-5gb of space on my total capacity of about 500gb for the past 6 months, so I'm really happy that showed today |
| 06:15.27 | bigdog_ut | oh yah |
| 06:15.35 | bigdog_ut | i just got a 160g drive the other day |
| 06:15.45 | bigdog_ut | so i am trying to get everything set up |
| 06:15.48 | tierra | when we finally make our first release of our program at work, I'm sure I'll have to get around to documentation of the code at some point |
| 06:16.17 | tierra | but for now we're rushing to get all the last stuff finished in it |
| 06:16.22 | bigdog_ut | man i sucks too...i have to format it all...if only i could write it in txt format |
| 06:16.34 | tierra | heh |
| 06:17.08 | bigdog_ut | and they get mad when i use open office |
| 06:17.17 | bigdog_ut | so i had to set up vmware on my box for word |
| 06:17.32 | tierra | I'm also working on a central collection point for all of the media we plan on using for the Defcon Movie Channel |
| 06:17.46 | tierra | heh... no OO.org |
| 06:17.46 | bigdog_ut | sounds cool |
| 06:18.07 | bigdog_ut | yeah....we are trying to get more to use it cause it actually is a killer product |
| 06:18.19 | bigdog_ut | but the resistence is great |
| 06:18.30 | tierra | I've got a friend who's giving me 750gb of space hooked up to a fat pipe for doing the collection |
| 06:18.45 | bigdog_ut | wow that is nice |
| 06:18.52 | tierra | oh yeah |
| 06:19.01 | bigdog_ut | im hoping some day i will have the money for a t1 into my house |
| 06:19.14 | tierra | minus the fact that my first experiences with FreeBSD have not been too fun |
| 06:19.24 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 06:21.20 | tierra | http://www.hackajar.com/~tierra/ <- will eventually be filled with over 500gb of video... dcmc/dcmc for l/p |
| 06:21.38 | bigdog_ut | man that is alot of data |
| 06:21.44 | bigdog_ut | what type of compression? |
| 06:22.40 | tierra | most of it will be mpeg2 I'm sure... we try not to lose any quality with the movies, so pretty much strait DVD rips will be going there so long as we have the room |
| 06:23.11 | tierra | http://ibaku.net/filler/ <- here's where we've been collecting cool little clips for filler for now |
| 06:23.45 | tierra | so if you see any cool videos surfing the net, upload them |
| 06:24.03 | bigdog_ut | what is it for again? |
| 06:24.47 | tierra | the Defcon Movie Channel, which is where we take over one of the channels in the Alexis Park Hotel, and broadcast all our content to 400+ rooms for 3 days strait |
| 06:25.01 | bigdog_ut | oh okay |
| 06:25.09 | bigdog_ut | and those are the clips that you will be playing |
| 06:25.11 | bigdog_ut | ? |
| 06:25.30 | tierra | just the filler for in between movies to kill the time |
| 06:26.17 | tierra | so we'll have a 90 minute movie scheduled for say 2:00, and another scheduled for 4:00, and in between we randomly (programmed by a script) play filler clips |
| 06:27.04 | bigdog_ut | oh...got it |
| 06:27.22 | bigdog_ut | that sounds interesting are you the only developer on the project? |
| 06:27.35 | tierra | no actually, eco is |
| 06:27.42 | tierra | well, the main developer |
| 06:28.15 | bigdog_ut | oh...is it all in php |
| 06:28.17 | tierra | me and a few others are helping with media collection, and eco programmed the script that controls and schedules and plays everything |
| 06:28.23 | tierra | python actually |
| 06:28.28 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 06:29.18 | tierra | I'm actually more in charge of one of the official competitions at Defcon, the Scavenger Hunt: http://scavengerhunt.org/ |
| 06:30.00 | bigdog_ut | where is it being held at? |
| 06:30.40 | tierra | and everyone else helps me brainstorm ideas for items to put on the list while I program the scoring script that keeps track of teams, items turned in and times items are brought in (+5 extra points for first to bring in an item) |
| 06:30.48 | tierra | Las Vegas |
| 06:30.56 | tierra | http://www.defcon.org/ |
| 06:30.59 | bigdog_ut | oh cool |
| 06:31.13 | tierra | more specifically: http://www.defcon.org/html/defcon-13/dc13-index.html |
| 06:31.45 | tierra | somewhere over 4,000 people come every year |
| 06:31.59 | bigdog_ut | what is it for security stuff? |
| 06:32.09 | tierra | you name it, it's there |
| 06:32.10 | bigdog_ut | oh hacking |
| 06:32.27 | bigdog_ut | who runs it all? |
| 06:34.22 | tierra | Jeff Moss, the guy who runs BlackHat... Defcon is kindof the party con after BlackHat |
| 06:34.36 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 06:35.49 | tierra | to give you an idea of what kind of talks are given, here was Defcon 12's schedule: http://www.defcon.org/html/defcon-12/dc-12-schedule.html |
| 06:36.41 | bigdog_ut | man i wish i had the time to go |
| 06:37.05 | tierra | I'm on there somewhere... gave a talk at defcon 12 on a project that was going to take advantage of NTFS alternate data streams |
| 06:37.20 | bigdog_ut | are you still presenting |
| 06:38.42 | tierra | na, that was a one time thing... I could throw down on another talk at Defcon 13, but taking a talk on at the same time as preparing for the Scavenger Hunt, Defcon Movie Channel, and Leetest Link (another competition) really wore me out and I don't feel like doing that again |
| 06:39.43 | tierra | I ended up getting heat stroke the very first day we got to Vegas, had to give my talk while hopped up on drugs |
| 06:40.34 | tierra | I'm just going to help with Defcon Movie Channel, and run the Scavenger Hunt again this year, and nothing else so I have some time to enjoy Defcon while I'm there and get the chance to hit up more talks than I did last year |
| 06:42.15 | bigdog_ut | yeah...nothing like kicking back and listening to some good talkis |
| 06:44.08 | tierra | yeah, there's a ton of good talks given every year... |
| 06:44.23 | bigdog_ut | there are tons that i would find interesting |
| 06:44.24 | tierra | it's well worth it going down there just for the talks |
| 06:44.34 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 06:45.34 | tierra | anyway, I'm off to sleep now, night |
| 06:45.56 | bigdog_ut | l8trz |
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| 15:05.24 | synic | dataw0lf: yeah, sorry, was watching a flick with Ross last night. |
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| 15:09.53 | dataw0lf|w | synic: NO I HATE YOU |
| 15:10.11 | optikal | uhoh. |
| 15:10.15 | optikal | what'd i miss? |
| 15:10.33 | synic | oh, right |
| 15:11.39 | dataw0lf|w | mmm, four Ultra 3 SCSI Hard Drives just sitting on my desk is turning me on. |
| 15:12.15 | optikal | haha |
| 15:12.43 | optikal | might want to get some paper towels for when you power them up, for your safety. |
| 15:13.00 | dataw0lf|w | it's true. |
| 15:13.15 | dataw0lf|w | 4 500 dollar hard drives just sitting around would do that to anyone. |
| 15:13.30 | optikal | tru. |
| 15:14.26 | macnewbold | how many GB are they? |
| 15:15.56 | dataw0lf|w | 72 |
| 15:20.04 | synic | ok... now I need to figure out how to change the notice email for disk quotas. The default is terrible. |
| 15:20.09 | synic | Hi, |
| 15:20.09 | synic | We noticed that you are in violation with the quotasystem |
| 15:20.09 | synic | used on this system. We have found the following violations: |
| 15:20.09 | synic | /dev/md2 |
| 15:20.09 | synic | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.11 | synic | Filesystem used soft hard grace used soft hard grace |
| 15:20.13 | synic | /dev/md2 +- 58436 50000 100000 6days 18 0 0 |
| 15:20.15 | synic | We hope that you will cleanup before your grace period expires. |
| 15:20.17 | synic | Basically, this means that the system thinks you are using more disk space |
| 15:20.19 | synic | on the above partition(s) than you are allowed. If you do not delete files |
| 15:20.21 | synic | and get below your quota before the grace period expires, the system will |
| 15:20.23 | synic | prevent you from creating new files. |
| 15:20.25 | synic | For additional assistance, please contact us at adam@sendoutcards.com |
| 15:20.27 | synic | or via phone at 801-918-6041. |
| 15:20.42 | bigdog_ut | or send more money to bigdog@email.com |
| 15:21.17 | synic | every user that has gotten this email replies with a general "omg! wtf are u talking about?!" |
| 15:21.39 | dataw0lf|w | You shouldn't even send them an email. |
| 15:21.56 | bigdog_ut | just send me money is all that needs to happen |
| 15:22.00 | dataw0lf|w | Just break down their cubicle like the Gestapo and flash a printed copy in their face, and haul em out hogtied and gagged. |
| 15:22.50 | dataw0lf|w | y'know, the one bad thing about Ubuntu is the percentage of newbie retards who use it. |
| 15:22.58 | dataw0lf|w | it's like probably #2 to Fedora. |
| 15:23.15 | bigdog_ut | and mandrake |
| 15:23.21 | dataw0lf|w | yeah. |
| 15:23.23 | dataw0lf|w | and Gentoo. |
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| 15:23.37 | dataw0lf|w | distrowatch.com |
| 15:23.43 | dataw0lf|w | Ubuntu #1 by a wide margin |
| 15:23.50 | synic | dataw0lf|w: lol |
| 15:24.17 | dataw0lf|w | I should toss up a site called 'newbiewatch.com' |
| 15:25.18 | dataw0lf|w | with anecdotes from forums and IRC. |
| 15:25.39 | bigdog_ut | i am now moving to adios linux |
| 15:25.41 | dataw0lf|w | 'can sum1 help me plz start a servar!1! how do u do it??!1? |
| 15:26.01 | dataw0lf|w | 'adios linux'? what's that, FreeBSD? |
| 15:26.15 | bigdog_ut | http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=adios |
| 15:26.42 | bigdog_ut | comes with icewm as the default |
| 15:27.15 | dataw0lf|w | only live cd you should use is Knoppix-STD |
| 15:28.22 | alphahawk | anyone here use slackware 10.1 and have problems with the mysql installing from the packages? I.E. Missing my.cnf files and other files? |
| 15:28.48 | dataw0lf|w | I bet synic knows the answer to that. |
| 15:28.49 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w, that is correct...that is the only livecd to use |
| 15:29.11 | bigdog_ut | has everytool i need |
| 15:29.20 | dataw0lf|w | knoppix std is pretty sweet. |
| 15:29.50 | dataw0lf|w | it's 1337 hax0r.. on the go! |
| 15:29.51 | bigdog_ut | no doubt |
| 15:30.19 | dataw0lf|w | I'm going to get tierra really drunk one night and get 'haxor' tattooed on his forehead |
| 15:30.27 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 15:31.04 | optikal | haha |
| 15:31.15 | bigdog_ut | how many user here use a file format other than ext3? |
| 15:31.21 | alphahawk | me |
| 15:31.22 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, you dont count |
| 15:31.24 | synic | bigdog_ut: me. |
| 15:31.31 | bigdog_ut | what you guy using? |
| 15:31.36 | alphahawk | resiers |
| 15:31.36 | optikal | bigdog_ut: im playing with rfs on one of my boxes |
| 15:31.37 | synic | reiser |
| 15:32.21 | dataw0lf|w | ext3. |
| 15:32.21 | dataw0lf|w | that's it. |
| 15:32.21 | synic | I'm not an fs nazi. |
| 15:32.21 | dataw0lf|w | at work I use AdvFS :) |
| 15:32.21 | synic | I use eenie meenie minee moe to pick. |
| 15:32.26 | dataw0lf|w | ext3, has the most tools available and it's stable. |
| 15:32.32 | dataw0lf|w | and I'm not a ricer. |
| 15:32.36 | alphahawk | I used paper rock scissors |
| 15:32.39 | bigdog_ut | reiserfs is the sh*t |
| 15:33.00 | dataw0lf|w | oh god. |
| 15:33.10 | bigdog_ut | ext3 sucks |
| 15:33.43 | bigdog_ut | if i was homer simpson...i would say "reiser, what cant it do?" |
| 15:33.43 | dataw0lf|w | 99% of people who use Reiser don't even know why they're using it. |
| 15:33.50 | bigdog_ut | oh i know |
| 15:33.51 | dataw0lf|w | and don't even know what a filesystem is. |
| 15:35.01 | alphahawk | I made the swtich to resier awhile ago and dont remeber exact reason why but I do know I was having many issues with ext3 for the enviroment I was using it in and reiser is working better atm |
| 15:35.30 | dataw0lf|w | exactly. |
| 15:36.39 | synic | dataw0lf|w: stupid you and that stupid higher paying job. |
| 15:36.43 | synic | we need a programmer! |
| 15:36.51 | optikal | haha |
| 15:36.57 | dataw0lf|w | like I'd do Perl for a living anyway. |
| 15:37.09 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, what does ext3 give you besides tools? |
| 15:37.12 | dataw0lf|w | you'd have to find a new guy in like a week because I'd tear my eyes out. |
| 15:37.20 | synic | lol |
| 15:38.08 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: a true journalling file system compared to the metadata only filing system of Reiser, dir_index, etc. |
| 15:38.33 | dataw0lf|w | ext3+dir_index, + stability, + massive amounts of tools > Reiser gayness |
| 15:39.26 | dataw0lf|w | I'm all over the place with my filesystem, I'm always playing with it, ask optikal. |
| 15:39.41 | optikal | you dont need to bring that up, here.. |
| 15:39.49 | bigdog_ut | true journaling filesystem...come on |
| 15:39.50 | optikal | oh wait, nm.. yeah.. his filesystem. |
| 15:39.50 | dataw0lf|w | ReiserFS just doesn't give me the same sort of flexibility I need. |
| 15:42.10 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: ext3 wasn't designed from the ground up to be a journalling system, like Reiser, but Reiser uses that metadata iffy crap. |
| 15:42.54 | bigdog_ut | i thought with such a security knowledge you would be all over the security features of reiser, plugins, b+trees, and an atomic implementation |
| 15:44.08 | bigdog_ut | now the tools avail is a valid arg... |
| 15:45.54 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w, which journaling mode are you using? |
| 15:59.48 | macnewbold | like bigdog_ut said, I've never used ext3 or reiser |
| 15:59.58 | macnewbold | UFS rocks |
| 16:38.02 | bigdog_ut | but i do agree (strongly mind you) that many users (seasoned) have no idea about their filesystem |
| 16:40.02 | macnewbold | yeah, cause most of the time, it just works, and does its job well, so who cares |
| 16:40.08 | macnewbold | unless you're a ricer, like dataw0lf |
| 16:40.19 | optikal | haha |
| 16:40.31 | bigdog_ut | or u like pushing your fs to the limit |
| 16:41.49 | dataw0lf|w | I go and fix a postgres database and I got people calling me out right and left. |
| 16:42.13 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: if I was a ricer, I wouldn't be using ext3. Or Debian. Or be taking the bus to work. |
| 16:42.48 | macnewbold | yeah, I know, dataw0lf... I'm just messin' with ya cause you mentioned earlier that you weren't a ricer... |
| 16:43.02 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: ext3 journaling mode? depends. |
| 16:43.13 | dataw0lf|w | ordered or writeback, usually. |
| 16:43.24 | macnewbold | personally, I don't have time to mess around with settings that have no practical effect on my system |
| 16:43.37 | macnewbold | I barely have time to mess around with the ones that _do_ have a useful effect |
| 16:43.40 | dataw0lf|w | on a backup system, I'd use journal probably |
| 16:43.47 | bigdog_ut | optimizing your fs can really give you some performance |
| 16:43.55 | macnewbold | I've got plenty already, thanks :) |
| 16:44.09 | macnewbold | really, my biggest performance bottleneck is network bandwidth :) |
| 16:44.31 | dataw0lf|w | isn't everybody's? |
| 16:45.35 | bigdog_ut | but sometimes you dont have control over that |
| 16:46.18 | macnewbold | exactly |
| 16:46.36 | macnewbold | I've got some control over my server's end, but not over the client's end. |
| 16:49.19 | bigdog_ut | on thing that i have been reading about is how windows implements streams in their filesystem |
| 16:49.37 | bigdog_ut | seems like they thought of one thing promising |
| 16:50.18 | dataw0lf|w | talk to tierra about ADS |
| 16:51.11 | dataw0lf|w | heh. |
| 16:51.22 | dataw0lf|w | Nice email synic on the jobs-announce, synic. |
| 16:51.30 | dataw0lf|w | errg. |
| 16:51.35 | dataw0lf|w | anyways, be more specific, you weirdo. |
| 16:51.45 | synic | and I even mailed it twice on accident. |
| 16:51.49 | synic | I'm awesome. |
| 16:51.53 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 16:52.12 | bigdog_ut | synic, i want a job |
| 16:52.25 | bigdog_ut | synic, is like mini-santa |
| 16:52.32 | synic | bigdog_ut: wait, you do? |
| 16:54.02 | xilch | bigdog_ut: it's in SLC - where you from? |
| 16:54.11 | bigdog_ut | layton |
| 16:54.19 | bigdog_ut | but if its perl...no way |
| 16:54.24 | xilch | boo |
| 16:54.24 | dataw0lf|w | haha. |
| 16:54.25 | dataw0lf|w | exactly. |
| 16:54.32 | xilch | bigdog_ut: what you got against perl? |
| 16:54.42 | bigdog_ut | the world |
| 16:54.57 | xilch | dataw0lf|w: perl pwns j00. always |
| 16:54.58 | bigdog_ut | i just hate it |
| 16:55.08 | synic | dude, it's a job! |
| 16:55.15 | bigdog_ut | python yes, ruby yes |
| 16:55.18 | bigdog_ut | perl no |
| 16:55.26 | bigdog_ut | synic, is it perl? |
| 16:55.28 | dataw0lf|w | xilch: stop living in the nineties, man! |
| 16:55.34 | synic | yes. |
| 16:55.41 | macnewbold | synic: is it PT/FT or contract/consultant? |
| 16:55.44 | bigdog_ut | i did not see the job announcement |
| 16:55.50 | dataw0lf|w | it's on SLLUG, bigdog_ut |
| 16:56.06 | dataw0lf|w | you should throw it on the UPHPU jobs-announce list too, synic |
| 16:56.09 | synic | macnewbold: FT employee |
| 16:56.11 | dataw0lf|w | but be more specific. |
| 16:56.14 | bigdog_ut | oh..i thought i got those emails |
| 16:56.21 | macnewbold | and when you say "preferably who knows perl", does that mean it's a perl job, or a php job, and some perl if you know it? |
| 16:56.37 | xilch | dataw0lf|w: yeah, I don't know what I was thinking letting synic write it. :) |
| 16:56.40 | dataw0lf|w | I think he means a competent programmer can pick up perl. |
| 16:56.44 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold is really a business man posing as a programmer |
| 16:56.51 | macnewbold | hehe, yeah... |
| 16:56.51 | dataw0lf|w | but if you know it, then you're in the top list. |
| 16:57.04 | macnewbold | hanging out with my partner all day every day is getting to me... he's a business guy |
| 16:57.14 | dataw0lf|w | LLC, mac? |
| 16:57.23 | bigdog_ut | or BIG |
| 16:57.28 | macnewbold | yeah, I have an LLC... why? |
| 16:57.42 | dataw0lf|w | just asking. I setup my S-Corp not too long ago. |
| 16:57.53 | macnewbold | cool... |
| 16:58.14 | xilch | dataw0lf|w: what did you name your s-corp? |
| 16:58.19 | macnewbold | a single-member LLC gets treated in most cases like a sole-proprietorship, but with the liability protection benefits |
| 16:58.41 | dataw0lf|w | xilch: Infinite Paradox. |
| 16:58.42 | macnewbold | so I get to file it as a schedule C on my 1040 instead of filing a separate form under a TIN instead of my SSN |
| 16:58.59 | macnewbold | what, it's not called "dataw0lf inc." ? |
| 16:59.07 | dataw0lf|w | Nope. |
| 16:59.09 | macnewbold | or "dinc" for short |
| 16:59.22 | dataw0lf|w | and you're a dink. |
| 16:59.27 | macnewbold | lol |
| 16:59.37 | macnewbold | ~jbot, is dataw0lf a dink? |
| 16:59.49 | macnewbold | jbot, is dataw0lf a dink? |
| 16:59.53 | dataw0lf|w | he's scared. |
| 16:59.55 | macnewbold | jbot: dance! |
| 16:59.56 | jbot | "ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' alive, stayin' alive" |
| 17:00.06 | macnewbold | jbot: who's a dink? |
| 17:00.30 | macnewbold | ~dataw0lf |
| 17:00.31 | jbot | somebody said dataw0lf was sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink |
| 17:01.09 | macnewbold | ~dink |
| 17:01.20 | dataw0lf|w | the shiny new feel of your bot proxy insults wore off when you couldn't do it the first handful of times. |
| 17:01.42 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold is a dink. |
| 17:01.46 | dataw0lf|w | see, I don't need the bot. |
| 17:01.55 | dataw0lf|w | Look, Ma, I can insult people on mah own! |
| 17:01.56 | macnewbold | ~dink |
| 17:01.57 | jbot | rumour has it, dink is see dataw0lf |
| 17:02.04 | optikal | haha |
| 17:02.11 | macnewbold | yeah, but the bot's insults persist so much longer... |
| 17:02.12 | dataw0lf|w | see dataw0lf? |
| 17:02.17 | dataw0lf|w | so, macnewbold is a dink. |
| 17:02.21 | macnewbold | ~dataw0lf |
| 17:02.22 | jbot | dataw0lf is probably sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink |
| 17:02.22 | dataw0lf|w | thanks for referring to me, jbot. |
| 17:02.49 | macnewbold | ~dink |
| 17:02.50 | jbot | i heard dink is see "dataw0lf" |
| 17:02.59 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold is a dink. |
| 17:03.00 | bigdog_ut | anyone really good with vesafb? |
| 17:03.07 | macnewbold | ~vesafb |
| 17:03.08 | jbot | vesafb is, like, crap, if you compile all the lowlevel text drivers as modules, which happens automagically if you have another fb driver selected as a module. |
| 17:03.30 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 17:04.08 | bigdog_ut | jbot, should i switch to trident driver then? |
| 17:04.10 | dataw0lf|w | vesafb? ew. |
| 17:04.22 | dataw0lf|w | macnewbold: vesafb is a driver for VESA cards. |
| 17:04.53 | bigdog_ut | or vesa compliant card |
| 17:05.08 | dataw0lf|w | right. |
| 17:05.30 | dataw0lf|w | if it works for a VESA card, it probably works for a VESA compliant card. |
| 17:05.34 | dataw0lf|w | that's what 'compliant' means. |
| 17:05.59 | xilch | dataw0lf is compliant with dinks, as is macnewbold |
| 17:06.13 | dataw0lf|w | obviously I'm compliant with dinks. |
| 17:06.17 | xilch | I have a complaint with dinks |
| 17:06.19 | dataw0lf|w | or I wouldn't hang out with you. |
| 17:06.49 | xilch | dataw0lf|w: speaking of which, we need to have us a dink-together soon |
| 17:06.57 | xilch | ooh - that didn't come out right |
| 17:07.05 | dataw0lf|w | oh no, it did. |
| 17:07.08 | dataw0lf|w | I'll be over in 5 minutes. |
| 17:07.12 | xilch | lol |
| 17:07.46 | bigdog_ut | no dinking in here |
| 17:07.58 | dataw0lf|w | *sigh* the admin I took over for shore didn't know PHP very well. |
| 17:08.52 | bigdog_ut | he must be a java guru then |
| 17:09.11 | dataw0lf|w | actually C. |
| 17:09.35 | dataw0lf|w | DEC C to be precise, he's got some crazy stuff I've been looking through. |
| 17:09.38 | bigdog_ut | if c then he should rock |
| 17:10.06 | dataw0lf|w | it isn't like it's bad programming, he just didn't know PHP very well. |
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| 17:15.00 | bigdog_ut | lol...dont use vesa with amd |
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| 18:03.42 | optikal | http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/07/daylight.saving.ap/index.html |
| 18:04.56 | synic | ok, someone needs to rewrite warnquota |
| 18:04.59 | synic | some idiot wrote it. |
| 18:05.42 | optikal | hehehe |
| 18:05.59 | synic | to change the message that is sent out, you have to edit the source code |
| 18:06.07 | synic | but even then, it forces information like this to be in the email: |
| 18:06.12 | synic | /dev/md2 |
| 18:06.12 | synic | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.12 | synic | Filesystem used soft hard grace used soft hard grace |
| 18:06.12 | synic | /dev/md2 +- 30000 2 8000000 6days 30 0 0 |
| 18:06.17 | synic | what user is going to know wtf that means? |
| 18:16.48 | macnewbold | here's how our quota mail thing does it: |
| 18:16.51 | macnewbold | It looks like your disk usage has exceeded your disk quota. Please move or |
| 18:16.51 | macnewbold | remove some files to get below your quota. Disk space is limited, so if |
| 18:16.51 | macnewbold | you could clean up your directory it would be appreciated. |
| 18:16.51 | macnewbold | Here is your current usage and quota (in KB): |
| 18:17.00 | macnewbold | `quota -v -l $i` |
| 18:17.00 | macnewbold | The places where you are most likely to be over your quota: |
| 18:17.01 | macnewbold | /usr Includes home directory, email folders, web site, database, etc. |
| 18:17.01 | macnewbold | /var Includes email inbox |
| 18:17.08 | macnewbold | If you have questions about how to clean up your files, please reply |
| 18:17.08 | macnewbold | to this message. |
| 18:17.08 | macnewbold | If your 7-day grace period expires, you will be unable to save new |
| 18:17.08 | macnewbold | data, which may cause you to lose email messages, for example. |
| 18:18.03 | macnewbold | and here's what the quota command output looks like: |
| 18:18.16 | macnewbold | Disk quotas for user foobar (uid 1xxx6): |
| 18:18.16 | macnewbold | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.16 | macnewbold | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.16 | macnewbold | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.58 | macnewbold | using perl or sed/awk you could pretty easily pull the numbers out and say something easier to understand |
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| 19:09.47 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w, you around? |
| 19:11.14 | dataw0lf|w | semi |
| 19:13.53 | bigdog_ut | have you given any additional thought to a python user group? |
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| 19:41.55 | dataw0lf|w | eh, sorry, bigdog_ut, got grabbed to install fiber optic card |
| 19:42.14 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, I've been thinking about a design for the website, and of meeting schedule and talks, etc. |
| 19:42.22 | dataw0lf|w | in fact, I had a dream about it last night, heh. |
| 19:42.29 | dataw0lf|w | and I was naked. |
| 19:42.36 | synic | was I there? |
| 19:42.55 | dataw0lf|w | this is a FAMILY channel, synic. |
| 19:42.57 | dataw0lf|w | but, yes. |
| 19:43.01 | dataw0lf|w | I won't elaborate though. |
| 19:43.35 | synic | ok... so I have some news for you. |
| 19:43.37 | synic | it wasn't a dream. |
| 19:44.07 | dataw0lf|w | well, I'm not paying child support then! |
| 19:44.31 | synic | pfft, tightwad. This is your marmot! |
| 19:44.42 | dataw0lf|w | noooo.. |
| 19:45.13 | bigdog_ut | okay...back the idea at hand |
| 19:45.32 | bigdog_ut | man i am down with doing it..i dont mind heading to slc |
| 19:45.40 | bigdog_ut | i wonder where we could meet at |
| 19:45.44 | dataw0lf|w | well, let's do it then. |
| 19:45.50 | dataw0lf|w | I'll start writing a simple Python CMS. |
| 19:46.02 | dataw0lf|w | (we can't have a PHP CMS on our PUG user site!) |
| 19:46.13 | synic | omg, PUG is awesome. |
| 19:46.13 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 19:46.19 | dataw0lf|w | UPUG |
| 19:46.20 | synic | you know what your logo has to have in it now. |
| 19:46.23 | bigdog_ut | yeah...have a pig mascot |
| 19:46.30 | dataw0lf|w | no, a PUG. |
| 19:46.30 | synic | or a pug. |
| 19:46.38 | bigdog_ut | oh the ugly dog |
| 19:46.39 | dataw0lf|w | with bunny ears. |
| 19:47.02 | synic | a pug wearing the crazy for U shirt. |
| 19:47.30 | bigdog_ut | i bet there is a python cms |
| 19:52.39 | bigdog_ut | any ideas on a possible meeting location? |
| 19:53.14 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w, perhaps we should set up a irc channel for it |
| 19:54.15 | xilch | irc is lame |
| 19:54.24 | xilch | down with the irc! |
| 19:55.04 | xilch | so yeah, I might could get a metnang set up on 3600 south |
| 19:55.38 | xilch | if dataw0lf|w & bigdog_ut were interested... |
| 19:56.21 | xilch | but alas, they are dinks and have no interest |
| 19:56.27 | dataw0lf|w | I have interest, sucka. |
| 19:56.30 | xilch | dink |
| 19:56.43 | bigdog_ut | unfortunately i am not a dink |
| 19:56.50 | bigdog_ut | i am a dickiedo |
| 19:57.01 | xilch | well allright then |
| 19:57.20 | xilch | what times/dates you boys interested in? |
| 19:57.37 | bigdog_ut | some day when other ugs are not meeting |
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| 19:58.09 | bigdog_ut | would it be cool to incorporate ruby too |
| 19:58.12 | xilch | but make sure to conflict with all uphpu meetings, since all those guys suck |
| 19:58.15 | bigdog_ut | so a python/ruby group |
| 19:58.22 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 19:58.26 | dataw0lf|w | #upug |
| 19:58.53 | dataw0lf|w | Ruby / Python group would be cool, but it still has to be called UPUG |
| 19:58.57 | synic | urapug |
| 19:59.07 | xilch | how about egg eletist geek group |
| 19:59.12 | dataw0lf|w | no, it's upug |
| 19:59.18 | dataw0lf|w | because I'm going to buy upug.net tonight |
| 19:59.20 | bigdog_ut | that is cool |
| 19:59.32 | dataw0lf|w | well maybe not tonight. |
| 19:59.37 | dataw0lf|w | but this weekend. |
| 19:59.39 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w let me know and i can pay half |
| 19:59.46 | xilch | urpug? |
| 19:59.52 | bigdog_ut | urapug waz funny |
| 20:00.06 | bigdog_ut | and have shirts made up |
| 20:00.18 | xilch | utah ruby and python users group |
| 20:00.38 | xilch | it works |
| 20:00.47 | bigdog_ut | u r a pug |
| 20:02.02 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: word. |
| 20:02.08 | xilch | so I'll check on if we can use sendoutcards - what time would you like to start? |
| 20:02.13 | dataw0lf|w | damn it, I just registered upug. |
| 20:02.25 | dataw0lf|w | (the channel) |
| 20:02.26 | xilch | impulsive fool! |
| 20:02.37 | dataw0lf|w | and I don't want to have to register #urapug now, I'm too lazy. |
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| 20:02.57 | xilch | and that is why you are a programmerer |
| 20:03.08 | dataw0lf|w | ok, how many votes on urapug? |
| 20:03.24 | dataw0lf|w | urapug.org is open, so that's cool. |
| 20:03.49 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: urapug or upug? |
| 20:04.51 | synic | it's snazzy. |
| 20:06.37 | dataw0lf|w | I don't know why I ever wanted to be a 9-5 programmer. Network administration is so much more fun. |
| 20:07.19 | dataw0lf|w | ok, it's urapug then. |
| 20:08.17 | dataw0lf|w | #urapug registered. |
| 20:08.28 | optikal | whats urapug? |
| 20:08.33 | optikal | oooh nm |
| 20:08.37 | dataw0lf|w | Utah Ruby and Python Users Group |
| 20:08.38 | optikal | i read up higher =P |
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| 21:53.40 | macnewbold | first time I read that ("Utah Ruby and Python Users Group"), for some reason I saw Utah _Rugby_ and Python Users Group... :) |
| 21:55.55 | bigdog_ut | yeah...kick'em |
| 22:08.30 | synic | we can play a little rugby too. |
| 22:08.50 | synic | I'm so huge, i'll beat you all down. |
| 22:11.08 | optikal | haha |
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| 23:08.49 | zardinuk | utah ruby user group just started yesterday |
| 23:09.24 | zardinuk | #urug |
| 23:09.45 | synic | but urapug sounds so cool |
| 23:10.37 | bigdog_ut | zardinuk, who did that one |
| 23:10.56 | zardinuk | who did it |
| 23:10.56 | zardinuk | ? |
| 23:11.08 | bigdog_ut | who started it? |
| 23:11.16 | zardinuk | jamis buck is running it |
| 23:11.27 | synic | is he a slc guy or a utah county guy? |
| 23:11.53 | zardinuk | well, right now its all utah county guys, except me and one other guy I think |
| 23:12.14 | zardinuk | which is why its now called the utah ruby user group instead of the byu-ruby user group, actually the two co-exist I guess |
| 23:12.14 | synic | ah, ok, we're still good then |
| 23:12.28 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 23:12.30 | bigdog_ut | we got it synic |
| 23:12.36 | synic | http://67.18.222.146/cnn.htm |
| 23:13.07 | dataw0lf | we'll outmaneuver them. |
| 23:15.08 | zardinuk | well, I just spent all day on a problem that I couldn't solve :P |
| 23:15.15 | zardinuk | don't you love that |
| 23:15.36 | synic | zardinuk: I did too... |
| 23:15.41 | synic | 'cept I did just barely solve it. |
| 23:15.43 | dataw0lf | yeah, but you get the best feelings when you actually solve them. |
| 23:15.56 | dataw0lf | and then, the next day you realize you didn't solve it. |
| 23:15.57 | zardinuk | I am super close to solving it, I know whats going on and I can't fix it :( |
| 23:16.14 | zardinuk | stupid bdes |
| 23:16.15 | synic | I always suddenly wake up at 7:00 AM "wow, I'm an idiot. I know what's wrong" |
| 23:16.22 | dataw0lf | I'd stay and help but I gots some bzflag action. |
| 23:16.51 | synic | which server you playing on? |
| 23:16.57 | dataw0lf | eine moment |
| 23:17.01 | dataw0lf | it's the 3 shot one. |
| 23:17.02 | bigdog_ut | bzflag rocks |
| 23:17.02 | synic | play spirals! |
| 23:17.08 | dataw0lf | spirals? |
| 23:17.09 | synic | spirals is my favorite server |
| 23:17.10 | synic | yeah |
| 23:17.13 | dataw0lf | what's the IP? |
| 23:17.20 | synic | uh, let me see |
| 23:17.21 | synic | brb |
| 23:17.30 | dataw0lf | I like the slower action of the no flag and 3 shot stuff though. |
| 23:18.03 | synic | spiralzone by wiz. bzflag.secretplace.us - it's the second server in the "find server" thing |
| 23:18.49 | synic | I might give it a try with ya, but my work box has a crappy video card |
| 23:19.23 | dataw0lf | I'm playing knjiga.ffos.hr hop on. |
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| 23:22.45 | synic | uh... I was the only one on there |
| 23:23.27 | macnewbold | welcome, Skipper :) |
| 23:23.32 | macnewbold | did you bring Gilligan too? |
| 23:23.51 | macnewbold | (I bet you get that a lot... sorry ;) ) |
| 23:24.21 | macnewbold | so Brady, are you really in Ag. Sci. at USU? |
| 23:24.23 | Skipper | hey |
| 23:24.26 | macnewbold | if so, how'd you get into PHP? |
| 23:24.55 | Skipper | i work in the Ag Sci building, but I'm not studying Ag Sci |
| 23:25.05 | macnewbold | ah, good :) |
| 23:25.08 | Skipper | ....and yes, i get asked about Gilligan all the time ;) |
| 23:26.32 | bigdog_ut | maryanne was the freak |
| 23:26.39 | Skipper | i just use Skipper cause it's been my nickname since i was in like 8th grade.. old habits die hard :) |
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| 23:27.24 | synic | indeed. I always set daily crons to run at 6:10 in the morning, only because the first tutorial I read on crontab used 6:10 |
| 23:28.06 | Skipper | that works :) |
| 23:28.29 | macnewbold | my nick on the BBS's used to be freshman |
| 23:28.38 | macnewbold | but it got old as I got older |
| 23:28.52 | macnewbold | so I chose something very uncreative instead |
| 23:31.00 | Skipper | so mac i was actually hoping you'd be in here... about the idea of PHP classes... what would you think about the idea of working together as a group to develop something that members of the group could then teach around the state? for example, i know we could get some people here at USU interested... |
| 23:31.38 | Skipper | there are a couple of PHP classes scheduled for Network Admins in the next couple of months being done by some group out of SLC |
| 23:38.28 | macnewbold | Skipper: that sounds like a cool idea, if people have enough time and desire to make it happen |
| 23:38.41 | macnewbold | we've definitely got enough expertise in the group to do a good job of it |
| 23:39.25 | macnewbold | we could even start getting together old presentations from UPHPU meeting and using them as the basis for a lesson or two in the course(s) |
| 23:39.49 | Skipper | i think that would be a great start - no reason to completely reinvent the wheel |
| 23:40.42 | Skipper | i think if we were to come up with a list of classes and topics we wanted to include, people might be more willing to help.. once you've done that it's basically like writing an article for the website.. |
| 23:40.58 | Skipper | which is another place we can get possible topics/content |