| 00:00.13 | bigdog_ut | did they not have a freeswan one |
| 00:01.10 | tierra | openswan |
| 00:01.10 | tierra | Description: Open Source implementation of IPsec for the Linux operating system (was SuperFreeS/WAN). |
| 00:01.20 | bigdog_ut | oh |
| 00:02.55 | tierra | nice! gentoo-wiki has one: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_OpenSwan_2.6_kernel |
| 01:25.51 | synic | tierra: is your linode back up yet? |
| 01:26.58 | tierra | has been for a long time |
| 01:27.03 | synic | wtf |
| 01:27.17 | synic | mine is still bust0red. |
| 01:27.41 | tierra | reboot your linode... it was a hard crash, so you may need to log into LISH, clean your DHCP pid file, and start up all your network stuff |
| 01:28.15 | tierra | according to TP, the outage was actually only about 3 1/2 hours |
| 01:28.53 | synic | I can't actually ssh in |
| 01:29.05 | tierra | use lish |
| 01:29.11 | tierra | what host are you on? |
| 01:29.39 | tierra | ssh linodeusername@host??.linode.com |
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| 04:49.27 | mindjuju | hey bigdog |
| 04:49.37 | bigdog_ut | whatz up mindjuju |
| 04:49.44 | bigdog_ut | ~welcome mindjuju |
| 04:49.47 | jbot | Howdy mindjuju | It is good to see you mindjuju | mindjuju, Sup yo? |
| 04:50.00 | mindjuju | not much. was reading what ya'll were talking about earlier |
| 04:50.10 | bigdog_ut | mac and me |
| 04:50.14 | mindjuju | about openvpn |
| 04:50.20 | bigdog_ut | oh |
| 04:50.26 | bigdog_ut | yeah...with tierra |
| 04:50.35 | mindjuju | what's better, openvpn or vnc? |
| 04:50.44 | bigdog_ut | vnc sucks |
| 04:51.04 | mindjuju | because of encryption, or why? |
| 04:51.09 | bigdog_ut | i hate vnc |
| 04:51.23 | bigdog_ut | slow, security, and did i say hella slow |
| 04:51.40 | bigdog_ut | i use to mess with people at work...cause alot of guys used it |
| 04:51.57 | mindjuju | so if you go with openvpn, do you have to use like remote desktop ? |
| 04:52.49 | bigdog_ut | if you have linux then use xdmcp...it is not very secure but it is really nice to use |
| 04:53.04 | bigdog_ut | u can also use it with ssh that makes it nice |
| 04:53.21 | bigdog_ut | no..vpn allows your box to be part of the network |
| 04:53.41 | bigdog_ut | so you have access via the firewall into a network and you are assigned an ip of that network |
| 04:54.00 | mindjuju | about vpn, concur on being part of network, but I need to remote to a win 2k3 box |
| 04:54.12 | mindjuju | so i was thinking if vpn, then remote desktop from windows |
| 04:54.21 | mindjuju | as client to interface with server |
| 04:55.17 | bigdog_ut | remote desktop is going to be really slow with windows then you have issues with the vpn encryption...even slower |
| 04:55.34 | bigdog_ut | and in my opion vnc is not a great protocol |
| 04:55.58 | bigdog_ut | i should not say protocol...technology/implementation would be better |
| 04:56.19 | mindjuju | well, there go all my options! i'm currently using vnc, but was looking for better |
| 04:56.45 | mindjuju | haven't read up a lot on remote desktop for windows, but I doubt it can be used without vpn software |
| 04:56.48 | bigdog_ut | have u looked at doing remote desktop? |
| 04:57.25 | mindjuju | well, yeah, that's what I was talking about, remote desktop via vpn |
| 04:57.28 | bigdog_ut | im not sure how the remote desktop on windows works..but i bet someone has written something for linux for it |
| 04:58.18 | mindjuju | maybe remote desktop is secure for using public lines? |
| 04:58.19 | bigdog_ut | mindjuju, i would look at doing this: tunneling remote desktop via ssh |
| 04:58.31 | mindjuju | like with putty? |
| 04:59.35 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 04:59.50 | bigdog_ut | so you ssh and set up the portforwarding and then do remote desktop |
| 05:00.14 | bigdog_ut | http://www.bluestream.org/Networking/SSHTunnelRDP.htm |
| 05:00.17 | mindjuju | so if the client is putty, what is the host program? |
| 05:00.32 | bigdog_ut | putty is ssh |
| 05:00.43 | bigdog_ut | so you ssh to the box with port forwarding |
| 05:01.06 | bigdog_ut | then you connect to that local port which is forwarded to the remote host's port |
| 05:02.57 | bigdog_ut | did that make sense? |
| 05:03.55 | mindjuju | sorry, was reading that article you sent |
| 05:04.13 | bigdog_ut | oh no problem |
| 05:06.16 | mindjuju | that's pretty interesting, i'm going to give that a try cause your right, VNC is slow and i have the problem of it freezing after a couple of hours |
| 05:07.13 | mindjuju | yesterday night I was patching wink3 server for sp1 and the box froze, then when it was rebooted, VNC didn't come so had to go to xMission @3.30a this morn to reboot |
| 05:07.35 | mindjuju | oops, win2k3 server |
| 05:08.00 | bigdog_ut | lol...tell me about it...why do you have to use win2k3 boxes |
| 05:08.36 | mindjuju | it was there before I got my job |
| 05:08.48 | bigdog_ut | oh mindjuju you work at xmission? |
| 05:08.59 | mindjuju | no, thats where we have colo |
| 05:09.12 | bigdog_ut | oh okay |
| 05:09.34 | bigdog_ut | but you have to go to the colo and reboot...why cant xmission tech do it |
| 05:11.17 | mindjuju | they did, but the box didn't come back up |
| 05:11.32 | mindjuju | i thought I was fubar, but got the box working |
| 05:11.41 | mindjuju | cause its a production web server |
| 05:12.05 | bigdog_ut | oh that sucks |
| 05:12.47 | mindjuju | yeah, that's why i had to race down there before 6:00a. they knew i was going to be patching and knew the server was going to be down, but I had to have everything back up before 9a EST |
| 05:13.12 | mindjuju | by they, i mean the boss |
| 05:13.54 | bigdog_ut | oh that sucks to be up at that time fixing boxes |
| 05:14.27 | mindjuju | yeah, to be honest, at that point, i'd been up for like 25 hours, got home just before 6a, woke up at 10a, been up since |
| 05:14.51 | mindjuju | so that's like 28 hours up, 4 down, then almost another 12 now |
| 05:15.50 | bigdog_ut | yeah i have been getting like 2-4 hours of sleep for the past 2 weeks |
| 05:16.33 | mindjuju | good times! |
| 05:16.49 | bigdog_ut | yeah i wish...trying to get work done |
| 05:17.51 | mindjuju | i get a nice little bonus though when the website is done, so it keeps me motivated |
| 05:21.12 | bigdog_ut | that dont sounds too shabby |
| 05:33.44 | mindjuju | k, let me preface this question with the phrase, it wasn't my fault, i didn't do it. |
| 05:34.13 | mindjuju | k, now the question, I'm in the middle of migrating some databases. There are litterally about 100 databases with several tables in each. |
| 05:34.30 | mindjuju | how bad is it on the SQL server to have that be so? |
| 05:34.45 | mindjuju | i'm eventually going to fix it, just wondering how much time i have to do so |
| 05:34.47 | bigdog_ut | to have that number of database? |
| 05:34.53 | mindjuju | right |
| 05:36.06 | bigdog_ut | not to hard..what db is it? |
| 05:36.19 | mindjuju | ms sql2k sp3 |
| 05:38.13 | bigdog_ut | oh not sure about ms products |
| 05:38.16 | bigdog_ut | i hate ms |
| 05:38.43 | mindjuju | yeah, i figured it was pretty taboo to mention ms here |
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| 05:40.20 | bigdog_ut | but really it should not take long if you know what you are dong |
| 05:40.53 | mindjuju | well, the migration won't take long, rewritting the apps so that the code is actually efficent will |
| 05:41.14 | mindjuju | cause the tables have absolutely no normalization about them |
| 05:41.39 | bigdog_ut | yeah that takes time...especially if you move to like 3rd for 4th form |
| 05:42.09 | mindjuju | i'm good at 3rd, never really tried for 4th |
| 05:42.17 | bigdog_ut | it sucks |
| 05:42.18 | mindjuju | it'd probably make my brain hurt |
| 05:42.25 | bigdog_ut | yeah it will |
| 05:42.38 | mindjuju | i know there is a 5th, but it boggles the mind to try to get there |
| 05:42.41 | bigdog_ut | we do alot of 3rd and a little of 4th |
| 05:42.54 | bigdog_ut | to the point it is not worth it |
| 05:43.02 | bigdog_ut | we use alot of tools to help withit all |
| 05:43.06 | mindjuju | yeah, that's what I've heard |
| 05:43.13 | mindjuju | tools to help normalize? |
| 05:43.19 | mindjuju | do they exist? |
| 05:43.30 | bigdog_ut | yeah they are datamodling tool |
| 05:43.34 | bigdog_ut | like erwin |
| 05:43.34 | mindjuju | oh, but your using PSQL |
| 05:43.43 | bigdog_ut | plsql |
| 05:43.44 | bigdog_ut | oracle |
| 05:45.35 | mindjuju | wow, with a 4k pricetag, it'd better be able to write the tables and everything |
| 05:46.04 | bigdog_ut | oh it does all that and more |
| 05:46.39 | bigdog_ut | creates all these models based on your requirements and will go out and create the db and everything |
| 05:47.00 | bigdog_ut | and you can print them out all nice with all the keys referencing everywhere |
| 05:47.05 | bigdog_ut | its all crap |
| 05:47.16 | mindjuju | wow! it does every dbase outhere |
| 05:47.23 | mindjuju | oh wait, doesn't do mysql |
| 05:47.38 | bigdog_ut | not yet |
| 05:47.49 | mindjuju | that's wierd, if they had clipper, you'd think they'd have mysql |
| 05:47.55 | mindjuju | does anybody still even use clipper? |
| 05:47.56 | bigdog_ut | when mysql's referencial integrity model is better it might |
| 05:48.06 | bigdog_ut | not sure |
| 05:48.14 | bigdog_ut | i only do oracle, sybase, pgsql |
| 05:49.15 | mindjuju | so that's what data modeling is, i was sure it had something to do with Claudia Schiffer |
| 05:49.26 | bigdog_ut | i wish |
| 05:49.36 | bigdog_ut | would make modeling fun and exciting |
| 05:49.48 | mindjuju | yeah, it would! |
| 05:50.30 | bigdog_ut | where are you moving the databases too? |
| 05:50.44 | mindjuju | moving from access to ms sql |
| 05:51.05 | bigdog_ut | oh...i would check out using datajunction that is a nice tool..very pricey though |
| 05:51.24 | mindjuju | as pricey as the last one or more so? |
| 05:51.48 | bigdog_ut | more so |
| 05:52.01 | bigdog_ut | but it moves data from one place to another |
| 05:52.06 | bigdog_ut | let me grab url |
| 05:52.19 | mindjuju | found this one |
| 05:52.20 | mindjuju | http://www.pervasive.com/ |
| 05:52.35 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 05:55.05 | bigdog_ut | it is a killer tool |
| 05:55.26 | mindjuju | so whats the difference between data modeling and data warehouse? |
| 05:55.26 | bigdog_ut | i have taken data from file and put it into oracle...i have taken ldap to oracle via xml |
| 05:55.38 | bigdog_ut | killer product...using that saves so much time |
| 06:14.27 | tierra | ugh... setting up a VPN is really turning out to be quite the job... especially when you don't have much control of the kernel |
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| 07:45.22 | tierra | gotta love Linode... no IPsec in the kernel, so I talk with caker, and he's going to build it in tomorrow =) |
| 07:47.23 | tierra | looks like he already has it in the kernel I'm running my main Linode off of, the one in production |
| 07:48.00 | tierra | but he didn't have it in the Xen kernel I'm testing (and setting up this CS server in) |
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| 16:30.53 | tbye | wps: you here? |
| 16:33.59 | wps | yes |
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| 16:58.12 | tbye | still here? |
| 16:58.15 | tbye | got dragged away. |
| 16:58.26 | tbye | I did. |
| 16:58.27 | tbye | hehe |
| 16:58.51 | tbye | I was going to help with your cvsignore issue if you've still got one. |
| 17:02.03 | wps | still here, sorry... was away temporarily too |
| 17:02.23 | wps | is there supposed to be more in my file than just the names of the files/directories to be ignored? |
| 17:03.45 | tbye | I've only ever put files and file patterns in my cvsignore... and I've needed one per directory. |
| 17:04.23 | wps | wait... you put a .cvsignore file in each directory that you want it to do the ignoring? |
| 17:04.25 | tbye | http://www.eclipse.org/documentation/html/plugins/org.eclipse.platform.doc.user/doc/reference/ref-48a.htm |
| 17:04.30 | wps | I was told that I only needed on in my home directory |
| 17:04.34 | tbye | look for the heading... CVS Ignore Facility |
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| 17:06.24 | bigdog | wps -> https://www.cvshome.org/docs/manual/cvs-1.11.19/cvs_18.html#SEC178 |
| 17:09.15 | wps | do you have a copy in English? |
| 17:10.23 | bigdog | english? |
| 17:10.40 | wps | just joking that the file was hard to read |
| 17:15.59 | dataw0lf | wps: try setting $CVSIGNORE |
| 17:16.11 | wps | what is that? |
| 17:16.23 | wps | what does it do? |
| 17:16.25 | wps | where do I set it? |
| 17:16.41 | dataw0lf | well, it's obviously an env variable. |
| 17:16.49 | dataw0lf | and the name is pretty self explanatory. |
| 17:17.05 | wps | what is an env variable? |
| 17:17.33 | dataw0lf | ... |
| 17:17.39 | dataw0lf | you're joking? |
| 17:17.44 | wps | nope :) |
| 17:17.47 | bigdog | wps, is trolling |
| 17:17.48 | bigdog | lol |
| 17:18.07 | dataw0lf | http://www.dynamic-apps.com/tutorials/classpath.jsp |
| 17:18.37 | dataw0lf | I'm not going to help people if they're sarcastic. See, this is why *I* just troll. |
| 17:18.58 | wps | I wasn't trying to be sarcastic |
| 17:19.05 | wps | I honestly don't know what that is |
| 17:19.22 | dataw0lf | wow. |
| 17:21.37 | wps | so I need to set it in .bashrc? |
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| 17:26.05 | wps | dataw0lf: so how do I set this env variable? |
| 17:26.19 | wps | the article says to do it in .bashrc or .bash_profile, but doesn't say exactly how |
| 17:26.59 | dataw0lf | man setenv |
| 17:27.02 | dataw0lf | vim .bashrc |
| 17:27.59 | dataw0lf | and, if all else fails, google. |
| 17:28.08 | wps | I hate it when man pages don't have an example |
| 18:57.25 | macnewbold | is it lunchtime yet? |
| 18:57.57 | synic | I was ready for the weekend on Monday. |
| 18:58.03 | synic | this week has been irritating. |
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| 19:16.05 | bigdog | very much so |
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