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| 16:31.55 | bigdog_ut | mornin' all |
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| 16:56.19 | optikal | usynic: you around? |
| 17:02.12 | bigdog_ut | no synic here |
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| 17:34.53 | optikal | bigdog_ut: have you done software raid in linux before, by chance? |
| 17:35.03 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 17:35.14 | optikal | you got a sec for a few questions? |
| 17:35.23 | bigdog_ut | yeah...for you i do |
| 17:35.29 | optikal | aww.. how sweet. |
| 17:35.32 | optikal | heh jk, anyways. |
| 17:35.53 | optikal | i got 2x120gb IDE's on a Promise FastTrack card. |
| 17:36.03 | optikal | Everything detects fine.. |
| 17:36.26 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 17:36.26 | optikal | I first partitioned the drives with qtparted, and i believe it created the partition with a 5% reserved block space (using up like 11.5gb) |
| 17:36.37 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 17:36.37 | optikal | which, if its just storage, i dont need that much reserved.. |
| 17:36.55 | bigdog_ut | is qtparted from kde? |
| 17:36.58 | optikal | so I did mkfs.ext3 -m 1, and recreated it with a 1% reserved block space.. |
| 17:37.08 | optikal | 'from kde'? not sure, but i run gnome and it launched up fine.. |
| 17:37.44 | optikal | so.. i run fdisk, and it does not even see the partition at all after mkfs.. |
| 17:37.44 | bigdog_ut | okay never header of qtparted |
| 17:37.55 | optikal | but qtparted sees it as a 'hidden' partition. |
| 17:38.01 | optikal | 'never heard of qtparted'? |
| 17:38.09 | bigdog_ut | why dont u use fdisk to create the partitions |
| 17:38.59 | optikal | it was recommend by someone that i use mkfs.. so I could specify the 1% reserved block space. |
| 17:39.10 | bigdog_ut | okay |
| 17:39.18 | optikal | but, that may be incorrect so. |
| 17:39.20 | bigdog_ut | what is the reserved for? |
| 17:39.44 | optikal | -m reserved-blocks-percentage |
| 17:39.45 | optikal | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.49 | optikal | from the mkfs.ext3 man page. |
| 17:40.17 | bigdog_ut | okay...its been years since i use ext3...got ya though |
| 17:41.29 | optikal | so... i guess my question is, did I create the partition wrong with mkfs with it benig hidden? or how the hell do i unhide it? |
| 17:41.49 | bigdog_ut | okay so let me make user i understand |
| 17:42.09 | bigdog_ut | 1. u used qtparted to create the partions |
| 17:42.18 | bigdog_ut | 2. used mkfs.ext3 to format partions |
| 17:42.40 | bigdog_ut | 3. fdisk does not see the reserver partion that was created by mkfs.ext3 |
| 17:42.43 | optikal | not quite |
| 17:42.59 | optikal | I originally used qtparted, but it used 11.5g for reserved space so i removed it and started over w/ mkfs |
| 17:43.44 | bigdog_ut | o qtparted formated it for you? |
| 17:43.57 | optikal | yeah |
| 17:44.14 | bigdog_ut | how did you create the partions? |
| 17:45.03 | bigdog_ut | with fdisk? |
| 17:45.31 | optikal | yeah |
| 17:46.13 | bigdog_ut | now does the mkfs.ext3 -m create a new partion for the reserver..it looks like it only reserves inodes for the super-user |
| 17:46.55 | optikal | the latter. |
| 17:47.07 | optikal | 5% is the default value if you dont specify -m. |
| 17:47.10 | bigdog_ut | so how would fdisk see the inodes |
| 17:47.19 | bigdog_ut | that are reserved |
| 17:47.56 | optikal | you've lost me there.. |
| 17:48.31 | bigdog_ut | okay the -m option to mkfs.ext3 set aside 5% of the filesystem blocks(inodes) for the super user |
| 17:48.40 | bigdog_ut | and you pass in the -m 1 for 1% |
| 17:48.43 | optikal | right |
| 17:48.50 | bigdog_ut | of the filesystem blocks (inodes) |
| 17:49.13 | bigdog_ut | your question: <optikal> so... i guess my question is, did I create the partition wrong with mkfs with it benig hidden? or how the hell do i unhide it? |
| 17:49.32 | bigdog_ut | a partion is never created with the -m 1 |
| 17:49.41 | optikal | ooh. |
| 17:49.53 | bigdog_ut | specific blocks (inodes) are set aside for root (super-user) |
| 17:51.01 | bigdog_ut | does that make sense or did i confuse ya more |
| 17:51.48 | optikal | It does make sense.. do i just run mkfs.ext3 normally now then? |
| 17:52.19 | bigdog_ut | well what do you need the reserver for? |
| 17:52.37 | bigdog_ut | or why do you need the -m 1? |
| 17:52.50 | optikal | This is just a pure storage drive, i didnt want it wasting 11gb of my space if it didnt really need it.. i was told 1% is sufficient |
| 17:53.21 | bigdog_ut | yeah that would be dedicated to the superuser |
| 17:53.56 | bigdog_ut | if you dont pass in the -m 1 then does it automatically give 5% to the superuser |
| 17:54.17 | bigdog_ut | dude just use reiserfs...lol |
| 17:54.21 | optikal | hell no |
| 17:54.26 | optikal | this is critical data |
| 17:54.41 | bigdog_ut | reiserfs can handle it |
| 17:54.53 | optikal | i dont trust it, yet. |
| 17:54.59 | optikal | ive heard too many horror stories. |
| 17:55.00 | bigdog_ut | version 4 rocks... |
| 17:55.29 | bigdog_ut | but getting back to your question if it does do it automatically then you would need to pass in the -m 1 to do it |
| 17:55.44 | bigdog_ut | but you will not see a partion from mkfs.ext3 |
| 18:08.12 | optikal | if i was to use ext3, how would you recommend i partition/format this? |
| 18:09.52 | bigdog_ut | use fdisk to do the partions...set swap on outside of disks, then file system(s), the boot on very inside |
| 18:10.06 | bigdog_ut | the use mkfs.ext3 to format it all, but swap |
| 18:10.18 | bigdog_ut | swap is 2xRAM |
| 18:10.32 | bigdog_ut | so if you have 1024MB of memory make swap 2048MB |
| 18:10.48 | bigdog_ut | and then divide that by drives |
| 18:11.48 | optikal | uhm |
| 18:11.51 | optikal | the box is already setup |
| 18:11.58 | optikal | this is just a storage raid im adding |
| 18:12.18 | bigdog_ut | okay...then just set up the raid with mkfs.ext3 |
| 18:12.32 | bigdog_ut | how many partions on the drives |
| 18:12.48 | optikal | 1 single parition, 100% of the available space. |
| 18:12.59 | optikal | which will be 223G minus reserved space. |
| 18:14.46 | bigdog_ut | yeah then the mkfs.ext3 -m 1 should work for you but you need to do the software raid too |
| 18:15.55 | bigdog_ut | which raid are you doing? |
| 18:16.02 | optikal | raid0 |
| 18:16.20 | bigdog_ut | do you know how to do that? |
| 18:16.20 | optikal | ive already done the mkfs.ext3 -m 1 on it, what do you mean by 'but you need to do the software raid too' |
| 18:16.40 | optikal | yeah. |
| 18:16.43 | optikal | the raid is already done.. |
| 18:17.07 | bigdog_ut | well you said you are doing a software raid...so that would be done in software..but if you have a raid controller then you dont need a software raid |
| 18:17.12 | optikal | it sees /dev/mapper/pdc_dbaggdhe as 240g |
| 18:17.54 | bigdog_ut | cool |
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| 18:29.53 | optikal | well |
| 18:30.04 | optikal | according to what i've read, my raid card is somewhat hardware somewhat software based.. |
| 18:30.13 | xilch | optikal: you get that raid up? |
| 18:30.37 | optikal | xilch: i took a break last night, im pretty durn sick so i just rested for the remainder of the evening.. bigdog is helping me out as we speak. |
| 18:30.38 | optikal | http://www.promise.com/marketing/datasheet/file/FTTX2000_v3.pdf |
| 18:30.41 | optikal | ^^ thats my raid card. |
| 18:30.41 | bigdog_ut | yeah but a software raid under linux is very different |
| 18:31.24 | xilch | everything under linux is different. :) |
| 18:31.32 | bigdog_ut | right-o |
| 18:32.15 | optikal | yeah. and im a bit new to linux, im making my move over from windows to linux (always used linux a bit here and there, but never really dug in until now) |
| 18:33.45 | bigdog_ut | but you are seeing the raid though right |
| 18:33.52 | optikal | yeah.. after loading up dmraid |
| 18:34.10 | optikal | its on /dev/mapper/pdc_dbaggdhe |
| 18:35.28 | bigdog_ut | cool...does that solve all the problems or is there other issues popping up |
| 18:39.10 | optikal | bigdog_ut: yeah, i havent really resolved anything *heh*.. Im a pita, I know. =) Okay.. so lets start over fresh, probably be easier since I dont really know what im doing here. I launch up dmraid and i have 'pdc_dbaggdhe pdc_dbaggdhe1' under /dev/mapper, which is my raid. if i want to create 1 single 223G ext3 partition on that.. how would i go about that? |
| 19:26.56 | optikal | hmm |
| 19:39.41 | cycokilr | optikal: linux is seeing the raid part fine? you just need to format the space? |
| 19:39.53 | optikal | cycokilr: correctamundo. |
| 19:39.59 | cycokilr | what distro? |
| 19:40.02 | optikal | Ubuntu. |
| 19:40.59 | cycokilr | ahh.. well, i don't know a whole lot about ubuntu or debian.. but you should be able to use fdisk or cfdisk (cli tools) to create a useable part.. |
| 19:49.33 | dataw0lf | RAID disks can't be partitioned like normal disks. |
| 19:50.07 | dataw0lf | solution: LVM |
| 19:50.11 | dataw0lf | google for it. |
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| 19:50.28 | dataw0lf | http://www.linux.com/howtos/Software-RAID-HOWTO-11.shtml |
| 19:51.59 | dataw0lf | http://www.linux.com/howtos/LVM-HOWTO/index.shtml |
| 19:57.02 | alphahawk | Question I am trying to install the hplip 0.9 and keep running into a error saying it can't find -lsnmp. Any ideas on where I can track this down I do have openssl installed and net-snmp |
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| 20:18.34 | bigdog_ut | alphahawk, it cannot file the libs for snmp |
| 20:18.44 | bigdog_ut | so install the net-snmp(-dev) libs |
| 20:19.48 | bigdog_ut | optikal, with mkfs.ext3 you should be able to pass in the raid info that you need |
| 20:21.19 | alphahawk | thanks big dog |
| 20:22.04 | bigdog_ut | np |
| 20:27.19 | optikal | dataw0lf: so would it be correct to assume that qtparted automatically setup a lvm when I set things up the first time? cause i was able to mount the partition and all, but it was using 5% (11.5gb) for reserved block space.. |
| 20:28.30 | bigdog_ut | im not sure about using qtparted...i would recommend using fdisk |
| 20:37.33 | tierra | fdisk should be able to handle your RAID I would think |
| 20:40.26 | cycokilr | i have two 40 gig drives, i created unformatted raid parts on each one for swap, /, and /var using standard partitioning tools.. then raided each pair of parts.. it's been running since yesterday just fine.. |
| 20:41.02 | cycokilr | regular partitioning tools can be used in this manner.. |
| 22:13.44 | fungus | macnewbold, good song, but extremely overplayed. |
| 22:13.56 | macnewbold | hehe, yeah, sometimes... but it's a really good song |
| 22:14.43 | macnewbold | fungus: Tiny Tim, huh? ;) |
| 22:14.51 | fungus | hehe. |
| 22:37.19 | macnewbold | fungus: Captain Jack is a pretty fun song, despite all the drug references and such... |
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| 22:40.44 | optikal | http://www.morecrayons.com/palettes/webSmart/colorcube.php |
| 22:43.07 | fungus | "your sister's gone out, she's on a date. You just sit at home and masturbate". |
| 22:44.34 | optikal | http://www.webwhirlers.com/colors/index.asp |
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| 22:56.48 | fungus | thanks optikal, those are great resources for the design challenged like me. |
| 22:58.16 | optikal | npz. =) |
| 23:14.39 | macnewbold | fungus: yeah, some of the lyrics aren't too appropriate... it's a shame, cause the song's got a good sound to it, IMHO |
| 23:14.58 | fungus | I think it is quite awesome. |
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