| 00:00.12 | synic | sonofa |
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| 00:04.06 | synic | ok, ubuntu it is. |
| 00:04.07 | synic | software raid. |
| 00:04.33 | synic | they have drivers for freebsd for the network card.... not the raid card. |
| 00:04.52 | optikal- | nice |
| 00:05.11 | synic | and the only linux distros that are supported are redhat 9, suse 8.2, rel 3.0, and SCO openserver |
| 00:05.56 | synic | software raid was el easy to set up |
| 00:06.16 | cycokilr | SCO OpenUnix 8 is too.. |
| 00:06.20 | cycokilr | get that one.. |
| 00:06.24 | cycokilr | ha ha!! |
| 00:06.27 | synic | downloading it now from kazaa |
| 00:06.40 | synic | so I can burn it to CD and throw it at xilch a few times |
| 00:06.49 | cycokilr | i have openserver from when i worked there if you want it.. |
| 00:06.55 | optikal- | 'from kazaa'? |
| 00:06.56 | cycokilr | and unixware too.. |
| 00:07.39 | synic | optikal-: yeah, I'm a 1337 warez kid |
| 00:07.45 | synic | </idiot> |
| 00:07.57 | optikal- | what are you dling from kazaa? |
| 00:08.15 | synic | sco unix! |
| 00:09.05 | optikal- | your so special. |
| 00:09.16 | synic | I did something awesome in the xmission data center today. |
| 00:09.25 | synic | I unplugged our server and it's ethernet cable |
| 00:09.31 | synic | then realized it wasn't our server |
| 00:09.45 | cycokilr | oops.. |
| 00:09.49 | synic | after I was done peeing myself... |
| 00:10.03 | optikal- | hahaha |
| 00:10.03 | cycokilr | at least it didn't have windows on it.. or it probably wouldn't have booted back up!! |
| 00:10.18 | synic | I'm so swete. |
| 00:10.24 | optikal- | hehe |
| 00:11.15 | macnewbold | dude, synic: watch yourself in the data center there... |
| 00:11.24 | macnewbold | somebody unplugged the power on our box coloc'd down there, |
| 00:11.30 | cycokilr | today? |
| 00:11.34 | macnewbold | and left it unplugged for 30+ minutes, and just took off |
| 00:11.38 | macnewbold | (no, not today :) ) |
| 00:11.44 | cycokilr | whew! |
| 00:11.47 | macnewbold | and when they found out what the problem was, |
| 00:11.53 | cycokilr | no we plugged it back in quick.. |
| 00:11.55 | macnewbold | they banished him from the server room forever |
| 00:12.22 | macnewbold | yeah, I don't know why that dork didn't plug it back in as soon as he realized it wasn't the right one... |
| 00:12.35 | macnewbold | if your box has two power cords, and you have to pull three before it turns off, |
| 00:12.41 | macnewbold | sholdn't that set of some alarm bells in your head? |
| 00:12.59 | synic | well, I told them what I had done |
| 00:13.22 | synic | and they made sure the box came back up ok |
| 00:13.24 | macnewbold | that half hour was about twice as much downtime as we'd had in the previous 6 months, since we installed it |
| 00:13.35 | synic | I felt like a dork |
| 00:13.39 | synic | mostly because I am one |
| 00:14.00 | macnewbold | yeah, I woludn't care much about getting my server rebooted, most of the time, but leaving it _off_ was even more annoying |
| 00:14.20 | synic | I'll tell you what, that's not going to happen again. |
| 00:14.55 | synic | macnewbold: isn't that data center rad? |
| 00:15.15 | macnewbold | yeah, it rocks |
| 00:15.39 | macnewbold | other than people pulling wrong cords out, we've had 0 problems with network and power |
| 00:16.04 | cycokilr | yeah, that's a pretty nice datacenter they have there.. |
| 00:17.52 | cycokilr | synic: so what's the plan? freebsd still? you want the mini or what? |
| 00:18.02 | synic | no, ubuntu |
| 00:18.35 | cycokilr | alright.. |
| 00:19.20 | cycokilr | youBUNTyou |
| 00:24.47 | synic | cycokilr: heh, somebody in #ubuntu is reformatting one of his boxes to make sure you can do it with only the boot partition being non-raid |
| 00:25.08 | cycokilr | right on.. should work.. i did it with suse.. |
| 00:25.29 | cycokilr | in fact.. i'll try it on this server right here too.. |
| 00:25.33 | cycokilr | let me plug it in.. |
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| 00:58.48 | cycokilr | is ar0 in freebsd a raid device? |
| 00:59.16 | synic | shrug |
| 00:59.41 | cycokilr | yeah, ubuntu wouldn't load the ide driver for the cdrom drive on this server.. so i'm playing around with freebsd.. |
| 01:03.24 | cycokilr | yeah, this one has a highpoint ide raid on it.. and freebsd sees it fine.. |
| 01:04.55 | synic | yeah, but don't use it |
| 01:05.00 | synic | try the software raid |
| 01:05.23 | cycokilr | for freebsd? |
| 01:06.38 | synic | yeah |
| 01:06.47 | synic | because our hardware raid card is not supported |
| 01:07.04 | cycokilr | isn't it supported in freebsd? |
| 01:08.08 | synic | no |
| 01:08.17 | cycokilr | oh.. i thought it was.. |
| 01:08.20 | synic | I looked it up, the guy I talked to is a dork |
| 01:08.39 | cycokilr | did the guy in ubuntu find anything yet? |
| 01:09.05 | synic | it's not possible to boot from software raid |
| 01:09.08 | synic | on any distro |
| 01:09.16 | synic | though it looks like you might be able to in freebsd |
| 01:09.40 | cycokilr | but wasn't he going to try doing /boot non-raid and / on the raid? |
| 01:09.49 | synic | yeah, doesn't work |
| 01:09.51 | fungus | Yes, you can boot from a software raid in freebsd |
| 01:10.06 | synic | fungus: how much of a pain in my bob is it to set up? |
| 01:10.27 | cycokilr | i'll find out in about 2 mins.. |
| 01:11.33 | cycokilr | alright.. restarting the installer.. had to reboot and delete the raid.. |
| 01:11.34 | fungus | Not really hard, you just need to specify options in your loader.conf to load the vinum driver. |
| 01:11.59 | synic | fungus: does the installer have support to set up software raid, or do I need to do it after the install? |
| 01:12.44 | fungus | you would need to boot off a fixit disk and build the raid first, then install on top of that. |
| 01:13.12 | synic | bleh |
| 01:13.21 | synic | can't do it after then eh? |
| 01:13.36 | fungus | I don't think so. |
| 01:13.48 | cycokilr | fungus: what if i had 1 drive connected to motherboard ide and 4 drives on raid? could i install the main system to mb drive and boot up then configure raid then just change mount points and such? |
| 01:14.08 | fungus | of course you could. |
| 01:14.16 | synic | fungus: would a freebsd live CD do - if one actually exists? |
| 01:14.28 | fungus | yes. and they do exist. |
| 01:14.40 | fungus | FreeBSD disk 2 is a fixit disk. |
| 01:14.50 | fungus | or a freesbie is a full live CD |
| 01:14.53 | cycokilr | synic: well, that's how this one is setup.. 1+4 drives.. but it sounds like it would be a fun party on your server.. |
| 01:15.21 | fungus | http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/vinum-root.html |
| 01:15.32 | synic | yeah, I saw that |
| 01:16.41 | synic | bleh, all this raid business is a pain in my butt |
| 01:16.43 | fungus | That will work, or cycokilr's suggestion works too. |
| 01:16.53 | synic | but extra important |
| 01:17.18 | cycokilr | synic: i think your idea earlier would work best.. having a /boot part and the rest raid.. |
| 01:17.26 | cycokilr | synic: with ubuntu |
| 01:17.40 | synic | cycokilr: but your root partition is what has to be non-raid |
| 01:17.49 | synic | /boot has nothing to do with it |
| 01:17.59 | cycokilr | oh.. are you sure? |
| 01:18.02 | cycokilr | i'm going to try it.. |
| 01:18.02 | synic | yeah. |
| 01:18.12 | synic | everyone is saying the init is what matters |
| 01:18.15 | synic | not the kernel |
| 01:18.27 | cycokilr | the init.rd? |
| 01:18.31 | cycokilr | isn't that on /boot |
| 01:18.38 | synic | no, the init process |
| 01:18.52 | synic | the init process cannot start if the array isn't online |
| 01:18.56 | cycokilr | there's gotta be a way around it.. |
| 01:19.02 | cycokilr | i'll work on it.. |
| 01:19.17 | fungus | Why not just keep /boot on the root partition, and keep that non-raid. |
| 01:19.17 | cycokilr | everyone said i couldn't swap kernels without rebooting.. but i did that.. |
| 01:19.37 | cycokilr | i just wish it hadn't reset the uptime.. |
| 01:19.43 | synic | fungus: because if something fails, we have to reinstall the OS |
| 01:19.46 | fungus | cycokilr, how did you do that. |
| 01:19.47 | synic | sure, we'll have our data... |
| 01:19.53 | synic | which is in /var |
| 01:19.58 | synic | but here's another question. |
| 01:20.09 | synic | ubuntu and debian keep their package database info in /var |
| 01:20.11 | fungus | but if you have a good backup, restoration is not a big deal. |
| 01:20.19 | macnewbold | synic: in freebsd it's in /var/db/pkg/ |
| 01:20.33 | cycokilr | fungus: magic kernel module.. it stopped memory process, then loaded a new kernel, then dumped the old one.. |
| 01:20.41 | macnewbold | cycokilr: two kernel monty? |
| 01:20.43 | synic | so if we reinstall, then how does ubuntu, debian, or freebsd know what's installed on the system? |
| 01:20.46 | cycokilr | macnewbold: yep |
| 01:20.55 | synic | since /var is what was raid... |
| 01:21.01 | macnewbold | cool... I didn't see what OS it was on... linux, or freebsd? |
| 01:21.01 | synic | it will have the old package db information |
| 01:21.03 | cycokilr | macnewbold: just couldn't get it to work with smp systems.. |
| 01:21.24 | macnewbold | yeah, on smp it would be a royal mess, since you've got both CPUs you need to take care of at once |
| 01:21.30 | cycokilr | yeah.. |
| 01:22.02 | synic | fungus: restoration isn't a big deal, availability is. |
| 01:22.15 | cycokilr | later |
| 01:22.18 | fungus | Just dump the whole filesystem daily, and in case of error, restore. simple. No nasty reinstall/reconfiguration |
| 01:22.59 | cycokilr | synic: that's what i was thinking earlier.. just set it all up on one drive.. then run a script to mirror manually every night to the other drive.. |
| 01:23.00 | fungus | ahh, IC. then you have no choice but to go through the pain. |
| 01:23.01 | synic | not possible |
| 01:23.22 | cycokilr | why not? |
| 01:23.32 | synic | cycokilr: not yours, I mean fungus |
| 01:23.36 | synic | but your idea is an idea |
| 01:23.52 | cycokilr | yeah, you just would have to make sure you didn't try to mirror proc.. |
| 01:24.17 | cycokilr | darn recursion.. |
| 01:24.21 | synic | lol, kcore |
| 01:24.23 | synic | my buddy. |
| 01:24.38 | synic | ok... so rsync to the other drive. |
| 01:24.43 | cycokilr | something like that.. |
| 01:24.45 | synic | awesome |
| 01:24.57 | cycokilr | the synic manual raid 1 |
| 01:25.47 | cycokilr | you could even have separate parts still and mirror like /var a few times a day to get the changes.. |
| 01:26.24 | cycokilr | in fact, that's the only one you'd have to mirror normally.. once you had the system setup and had your mirror of the / and /usr parts.. |
| 01:26.38 | synic | these guys are talking about buying a new raid controller |
| 01:26.46 | cycokilr | 3ware? |
| 01:26.53 | synic | yup. |
| 01:26.58 | cycokilr | good stuff.. |
| 01:27.01 | cycokilr | spendy.. but good.. |
| 01:27.08 | synic | problem is the current raid controller is onboard |
| 01:27.15 | synic | I wonder if I can disable it |
| 01:27.27 | cycokilr | that's what i was just going to ask.. |
| 01:27.33 | cycokilr | is there room in there for a pci card? |
| 01:27.54 | synic | dunno. |
| 01:28.00 | synic | I'm going to jet in after work and take a gander |
| 01:28.19 | cycokilr | http://www.3ware.com/support/OS-Support.asp |
| 01:28.50 | cycokilr | i've got suse 9.2 pro if you want to try that.. |
| 01:29.04 | synic | only suse 8.2 is supported |
| 01:29.27 | synic | (on our current) |
| 01:29.27 | cycokilr | depends on the controller.. but the 9000 series supports 9.2 |
| 01:29.41 | cycokilr | oh, i was talking about the 2ware.. |
| 01:29.45 | cycokilr | 3ware even.. |
| 01:29.51 | synic | "Other distributions of Linux can be used with the 3ware open source driver. Please see 3ware Knowledgebase article 11843" |
| 01:29.55 | synic | so probably any distro |
| 01:30.05 | cycokilr | true.. just have to compile it.. |
| 01:30.47 | cycokilr | what is the current raid model number? |
| 01:31.10 | synic | 1015%GAY |
| 01:31.21 | synic | er..., sorry, ICH5R |
| 01:31.33 | synic | stupid closed source drivers. |
| 01:31.58 | cycokilr | http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2004-September/038170.html |
| 01:37.38 | cycokilr | man, if it was the ich6 it would work it sounds like.. |
| 01:38.17 | synic | this is entirely too lame |
| 01:38.19 | synic | right here. |
| 01:38.30 | cycokilr | http://linux.yyz.us/sata/sata-status.html |
| 01:39.08 | synic | well, it looks like we're going to wait until tomorrow and see if we can't get another card. |
| 01:39.41 | cycokilr | dude, you should have just got a real scsi hardware raid.. |
| 01:39.43 | synic | I'll stop in there tonight and see if I can disable the current in the bios |
| 01:39.55 | cycokilr | that's cool.. |
| 01:40.07 | synic | what are you doing tonight? |
| 01:40.09 | cycokilr | drinking.. |
| 01:40.20 | synic | lol. |
| 01:40.32 | cycokilr | milk that is.. |
| 01:40.33 | synic | any place in particular? |
| 01:40.37 | cycokilr | i love milk.. |
| 01:40.39 | cycokilr | my place.. |
| 01:41.09 | synic | sounds fab :) |
| 01:41.22 | cycokilr | The following SATA controllers will never support hotplug: Intel ICH5, Intel ICH5-R |
| 01:41.42 | synic | bleh |
| 01:42.16 | cycokilr | all sata is hot-plug..just not some running linux.. |
| 01:42.49 | cycokilr | like i said though, you can tell the computer you're going to unplug it.. coldplugging.. it's supported.. |
| 01:43.09 | synic | right |
| 01:44.55 | cycokilr | synic: you need this one.. http://www.penguincomputing.com/products/servers/relion1400.php |
| 01:45.26 | synic | that has no raid foo |
| 01:45.32 | cycokilr | yeah, just noticed that.. |
| 01:46.20 | cycokilr | yeah, you'd have to go to one of the 2U ones.. |
| 01:46.24 | synic | and that one's like twice as much even with just one processor |
| 01:46.49 | cycokilr | not that much.. about half again as much.. |
| 01:46.56 | cycokilr | once you add the raid option.. |
| 01:47.13 | tierra | hmm... did Zend drop by 1/2 the price? |
| 01:47.13 | cycokilr | well, and add'l drive(s).. yeah, you could be right.. |
| 01:48.07 | tierra | I'm actually considering buying a personal copy at that price now... I could swear it was a lot more |
| 01:48.18 | synic | zend what? |
| 01:48.20 | synic | IDE? |
| 01:48.35 | synic | encoder? |
| 01:49.43 | synic | bueler? |
| 01:50.02 | cycokilr | anyone? |
| 01:50.14 | synic | bueler? |
| 01:50.26 | tierra | IDe |
| 01:50.28 | tierra | E |
| 01:50.49 | synic | oh, bleh. |
| 01:51.05 | synic | jedit is free :P |
| 01:52.21 | tierra | but does jEdit have a PHP debugger built in? |
| 01:52.36 | synic | pfft, who needs one of those? |
| 01:53.10 | cycokilr | hey, how much was the supermicro server? |
| 01:53.19 | synic | $number.00 |
| 01:53.22 | synic | xilch: ? |
| 01:53.37 | cycokilr | ahh.. does it have both cpus or just one right now? |
| 01:53.46 | synic | both |
| 01:55.35 | cycokilr | are you still at work? |
| 01:56.08 | synic | I'm about to leave now. |
| 01:56.38 | cycokilr | alright.. |
| 01:56.46 | synic | ok, I'm outie like clam chowdie |
| 01:56.59 | cycokilr | i love clam chowder.. |
| 01:57.01 | synic | try and figure out how that one makes sense! |
| 01:57.09 | synic | cycokilr: it's good with jalepeno pepper in it. |
| 01:57.13 | cycokilr | nice.. |
| 01:57.19 | cycokilr | i'll try that.. |
| 01:57.25 | synic | and buttered bread to dip in it |
| 01:58.10 | synic | ok, later. |
| 01:58.13 | cycokilr | bye |
| 01:58.20 | cycokilr | i'll miss you |
| 02:11.31 | xilch | cycokilr: it was $2300-ish |
| 02:11.38 | cycokilr | cool.. |
| 02:12.34 | xilch | lowest I found online was $2100-ish |
| 02:14.21 | xilch | next time I'm gonna make sure the onboard controller is preferrably 3ware |
| 02:14.38 | cycokilr | that's cool.. i was just checking out scsi 1U rackmounts.. just to see how the prices compare.. |
| 02:14.47 | cycokilr | i actually found a pretty good deal on an IBM.. |
| 02:15.05 | cycokilr | and two 146 GB ultra320 10K drives.. |
| 02:15.08 | xilch | so whats a dual 160 gig scsi go for? |
| 02:15.24 | xilch | or 146 gig |
| 02:15.29 | cycokilr | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1012417&Sku=I70-1752&SRCCODE=GOOPROD&CMP=OTC-FROOGLE |
| 02:15.54 | cycokilr | that's the server.. standard is 36 G single drive.. the 146 GB drives are 550 each.. |
| 02:16.20 | cycokilr | right about the same price as the supermicro.. but supported hardware scsi raid.. |
| 02:16.34 | cycokilr | and close to the same hdd size.. |
| 02:16.45 | cycokilr | different processor though.. and not dual.. |
| 02:16.53 | xilch | yeah |
| 02:17.14 | cycokilr | i just thought i'd compare though.. i know scsi is mor spendy.. |
| 02:17.28 | xilch | I have never really felt like scsi was worth the price |
| 02:17.57 | cycokilr | it is fast though.. cause each hard drive has a controller on it.. instead of just on the motherboard like with ATA |
| 02:18.21 | cycokilr | but yeah.. it does seem pretty costly.. |
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| 04:28.35 | dataw0lf- | oh, I'll give you guys the benefit of the doubt on this one and call you 'dorks'. |
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| 15:29.10 | macnewbold | synic, cycokilr: the Promise raid cards work well under freebsd, and are some of the least expensive, IIRC |
| 15:29.13 | macnewbold | brb |
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| 17:10.24 | wps | bigdog_ut: I am getting a lot of converts for you on both PLUG and UPHPU |
| 17:37.31 | bigdog_ut | for eclipse |
| 17:37.33 | bigdog_ut | ? |
| 17:38.28 | wps | yeah |
| 17:40.02 | bigdog_ut | nice...that is what it is all about |
| 17:42.18 | synic | bleh, now I have to try eclipse again. |
| 17:42.23 | synic | bigdog_ut: this is all your fault |
| 17:42.56 | bigdog_ut | i know...eclipse rocks...the only thing that you have to be careful about is the fact that some plugins slow it down |
| 17:43.09 | synic | that's one big problem |
| 17:43.16 | synic | the perl one is slow as molasses |
| 17:43.19 | bigdog_ut | i had issues with myeclipse plugin and removed it runs faster now |
| 17:43.49 | synic | and since I do perl all day.... |
| 17:43.52 | bigdog_ut | if you need syntax highlighting the colorer eclipse plugin is the best |
| 17:44.27 | synic | ah, that might work - it does perl then? |
| 17:44.36 | bigdog_ut | it does all languages |
| 17:44.40 | bigdog_ut | and i mean all |
| 17:44.42 | bigdog_ut | and it is nice |
| 17:45.13 | bigdog_ut | i use eclipses external tools feature to handle other stuff like compiling and validation of languages |
| 17:45.41 | bigdog_ut | if you can do anything on the commandline eclipse can too and provide it scripted and integrated |
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| 17:46.23 | bigdog_ut | and having the update feature is great too |
| 17:46.27 | synic | cycokilr: we're just going to get a 3ware card |
| 17:46.40 | synic | screw this closed source piece of crap |
| 17:46.52 | bigdog_ut | synic, what are you using? |
| 17:47.10 | synic | bigdog_ut: it's an intel ich5r sata raid controller |
| 17:47.21 | synic | it's fired. |
| 17:47.25 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 17:48.33 | synic | eclipse is finally done downloading |
| 17:50.36 | bigdog_ut | funny thing is i think zend uses some eclipse code |
| 17:51.37 | synic | does it have a subversion plugin? |
| 17:51.41 | bigdog_ut | yes |
| 17:51.54 | bigdog_ut | it is called subclipse i think |
| 17:52.07 | bigdog_ut | http://subclipse.tigris.org/ |
| 17:52.15 | bigdog_ut | i have it installed but have not used it |
| 17:52.30 | bigdog_ut | the big thing is that you need subversion installed on your box to run the plugin |
| 17:52.50 | bigdog_ut | cause it access some header files or libs |
| 17:53.41 | synic | that's cool, it's always installed on my machines anyway |
| 17:54.21 | bigdog_ut | yeah so it should work |
| 17:55.16 | synic | lol, I have no idea what I'm doing here |
| 17:55.27 | bigdog_ut | what do you want to do? |
| 17:55.42 | synic | import a current java project |
| 17:55.57 | bigdog_ut | okay...you have eclipse fired up? |
| 17:56.15 | synic | indeed, and in the java perspective |
| 17:56.24 | bigdog_ut | good that was the next question |
| 17:56.30 | bigdog_ut | no go to file -> import |
| 17:56.31 | synic | if I could somehow import it via svn, that would be sweet |
| 17:56.53 | synic | the subversion plugin is installed |
| 17:56.58 | bigdog_ut | good |
| 17:57.06 | bigdog_ut | okay now go to window |
| 17:57.11 | synic | k |
| 17:57.21 | bigdog_ut | open perspective -> other |
| 17:57.23 | wps | what is "folding"? |
| 17:57.32 | bigdog_ut | code folding |
| 17:57.34 | synic | ok |
| 17:57.43 | wps | what is "code folding"? |
| 17:57.44 | bigdog_ut | now click on the subversion perspective |
| 17:57.54 | synic | hrmm, I don't see it |
| 17:57.59 | bigdog_ut | when you fold it like a peiece of paper |
| 17:58.14 | bigdog_ut | SVN Repository Exploring |
| 17:58.23 | synic | don't see that either |
| 17:58.24 | synic | hrmm. |
| 17:58.34 | bigdog_ut | go to window -> preferences |
| 17:58.48 | synic | k |
| 17:58.51 | bigdog_ut | -> team (on left) expand |
| 17:58.59 | synic | ok |
| 17:59.01 | bigdog_ut | should see a SVN |
| 17:59.06 | synic | nope |
| 17:59.10 | synic | let me restart eclipse |
| 17:59.13 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 17:59.42 | wps | collapsing and expanding lines of code to make it easier to see others? |
| 17:59.49 | bigdog_ut | yep |
| 17:59.58 | synic | hrmm, when I go to help->software updates->manage configuration, subclipse has a red X on it |
| 17:59.58 | bigdog_ut | most major editors do it now |
| 18:00.04 | bigdog_ut | vim was like the first one |
| 18:00.25 | bigdog_ut | then it has an issue...go to preferences and check it again |
| 18:00.32 | bigdog_ut | it might not find the javahl libs |
| 18:01.04 | wps | i would be interested to try it, but it seems like split view would be better... then there's never any code hidden from view |
| 18:01.32 | bigdog_ut | it depends on what you are doing...like i fold up functions and comments |
| 18:01.39 | bigdog_ut | so when i need them i unfold them |
| 18:02.50 | synic | ok, I've added a subversion repo |
| 18:03.00 | bigdog_ut | cool |
| 18:03.16 | bigdog_ut | now on the repo right click and check out |
| 18:03.28 | bigdog_ut | use the new wizard check out |
| 18:03.28 | wps | does it remember the folds when you close a reopen a file? |
| 18:03.34 | bigdog_ut | yep |
| 18:03.36 | synic | ok, it's checked out |
| 18:03.37 | bigdog_ut | it should |
| 18:03.45 | bigdog_ut | that should be it then |
| 18:04.00 | synic | hrmm, but how do I make it a project now? |
| 18:04.22 | bigdog_ut | when you check it out you do checkout as new project |
| 18:05.37 | synic | ah, I see. |
| 18:10.31 | bigdog_ut | synic the java debugging is killer too |
| 18:10.32 | synic | where's the line numbering preference? |
| 18:10.56 | synic | oh, nevermind |
| 18:14.41 | synic | heh, how do you compile/run the thing? |
| 18:15.12 | bigdog_ut | it does compile it already...what is it that you are running? an appication? |
| 18:15.16 | bigdog_ut | or web app? |
| 18:15.36 | synic | well, I usually compile it with ant |
| 18:16.00 | bigdog_ut | okay...in your java perpective you can add the ant component |
| 18:16.18 | bigdog_ut | go to window -> show view |
| 18:16.27 | bigdog_ut | other |
| 18:16.39 | bigdog_ut | ant -> ant |
| 18:17.06 | bigdog_ut | now that view will be in your java perspective |
| 18:17.11 | synic | k |
| 18:17.15 | bigdog_ut | now you can save this perspective too |
| 18:17.30 | bigdog_ut | window -> save perspective as... |
| 18:17.52 | bigdog_ut | you can save as java or another name (thus making your own custom perspectives) |
| 18:18.13 | bigdog_ut | now that yo uhave the ant view drag n drop your build.xml file into the ant view |
| 18:18.18 | synic | ok, it compiled |
| 18:18.46 | bigdog_ut | select target, right click, run or run ant... |
| 18:19.31 | bigdog_ut | now in the tool bar there is a green arrow with a red toolbox |
| 18:19.40 | bigdog_ut | your target should be in there now |
| 18:20.13 | bigdog_ut | or go to run -> run history...there are also key strokes to access those too |
| 18:20.25 | bigdog_ut | like f11 will rerun that again |
| 18:21.49 | synic | ok |
| 18:21.57 | synic | so, now the jar is built, how do I run it? |
| 18:22.19 | bigdog_ut | okay...you want to run from jar file? |
| 18:22.25 | synic | yup |
| 18:23.27 | bigdog_ut | right click jar file |
| 18:23.35 | bigdog_ut | and select run -> run... |
| 18:23.41 | bigdog_ut | should open up new window |
| 18:23.54 | synic | yeah |
| 18:24.05 | bigdog_ut | click on java application |
| 18:24.09 | bigdog_ut | then at bottom click new |
| 18:24.26 | bigdog_ut | should create New_configuration |
| 18:24.43 | synic | yup |
| 18:24.54 | bigdog_ut | now fill out all the tabs |
| 18:25.11 | synic | well, in the first tab (I got this far before) there's the Project: field |
| 18:25.22 | synic | I click browse, and there's no project to choose from |
| 18:25.45 | bigdog_ut | does your project have a j on it? |
| 18:26.28 | synic | no? |
| 18:26.51 | bigdog_ut | then it is not set up as a java project...did you use the project wizard when you checked it out |
| 18:26.53 | bigdog_ut | ? |
| 18:27.01 | synic | yeah |
| 18:27.06 | synic | I think |
| 18:27.14 | synic | hang on, I'll do it again |
| 18:27.30 | bigdog_ut | k...i am going to head to lunch...be back to help out |
| 18:27.41 | synic | there's no wizard in the menu |
| 18:27.47 | synic | I check out as project, and it just does it |
| 18:27.47 | bigdog_ut | what does it say |
| 18:28.30 | bigdog_ut | what are the options you have? |
| 18:28.50 | synic | wait, there was "check out as" and "check out as project" |
| 18:28.55 | synic | check out as seems to be what I need |
| 18:29.00 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 18:29.04 | synic | ok, off to lunch with ye |
| 18:29.17 | bigdog_ut | k...i will be back to help out |
| 18:33.22 | synic | wow |
| 18:33.42 | synic | only 100 warnings |
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| 18:47.20 | dataw0lf | Man. |
| 18:47.27 | dataw0lf | Eclipse is still really, really slow. |
| 18:55.39 | dataw0lf | if you save a particular 'perspective', will the compiler and linker flags you've specified for that project be saved with that perspective? |
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| 18:58.20 | synic | ok, granted, it has some pretty fab java debugging features |
| 18:58.30 | synic | but it's such a beast! |
| 18:59.21 | dataw0lf | yeah. |
| 18:59.31 | dataw0lf | I need a better IDE. |
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| 18:59.39 | dataw0lf | I think I'm going to give KDevelop another shot. |
| 19:01.28 | optikal- | Are you kidding me? |
| 19:02.06 | dataw0lf | ? |
| 19:02.28 | optikal- | Your going to switch to KDE just for an IDE? |
| 19:02.28 | dataw0lf | ... |
| 19:02.35 | dataw0lf | what the hell are you talking about? |
| 19:02.56 | dataw0lf | KDevelop runs in Gnome too. |
| 19:03.01 | dataw0lf | As most KDE apps do. |
| 19:03.04 | optikal- | aaah okay. I was under the understanding it was KDE only. |
| 19:03.14 | optikal- | *knowledged |
| 19:03.26 | dataw0lf | oh, yeah, that's much better grammatically. |
| 19:03.46 | dataw0lf | I'm honing my wxWidgets knowledge. |
| 19:04.32 | optikal- | heh |
| 19:05.27 | optikal- | I've never dug into any languages that require compiling, which is lame... I need to, I just have no use for them at the moment.. or I do, but dont have the time to come up with a project. =P |
| 19:08.05 | dataw0lf | yes, yes, you should. |
| 19:08.41 | dataw0lf | You should spend a couple months just on gdb. |
| 19:21.13 | optikal- | Well, I still have quite a ways to go into PHP first... I'll get a good hold on PHP and then move on from there. |
| 19:21.40 | optikal- | I'm married, so it makes it hard to try and juggle a lot of things like I did when I was single.. still have to show the old lady lots of attention. |
| 19:22.26 | fungus | my condolences |
| 19:23.19 | optikal- | hehe. It's all good though, I definately get away with a lot more than most men who are married. Im happy, shes happy.. thats really all that matters. :) |
| 20:09.23 | bigdog_ut | you might want to change how java starts to give it more memory |
| 20:12.45 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, projects and perspectives are not saved together...all project data is saved in a .project file in the project home dir |
| 20:13.05 | bigdog_ut | perspective settings are saved in your ~/.eclipse diur |
| 20:16.36 | bigdog_ut | synic, did you get it working? |
| 20:17.25 | synic | yeah |
| 20:17.31 | bigdog_ut | cool |
| 20:17.33 | synic | and you're right, the java debugging rock |
| 20:17.34 | synic | +s |
| 20:17.38 | bigdog_ut | oh yeah |
| 20:18.00 | bigdog_ut | for eclipse to run faster you can increase the memory that the jvm uses |
| 20:18.48 | bigdog_ut | by default the jvm uses up too 64M |
| 20:19.03 | bigdog_ut | i usually throw about 250M to 512M if i have it |
| 20:19.25 | synic | where do you change this? |
| 20:19.47 | bigdog_ut | what os are you on? |
| 20:20.20 | synic | linux |
| 20:20.42 | bigdog_ut | are you on gentoo? or another distro? |
| 20:20.49 | synic | archlinux |
| 20:22.12 | synic | brb, gonna grab some subway |
| 20:22.22 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 20:22.25 | bigdog_ut | here is the stuff |
| 20:22.42 | bigdog_ut | pass -vmargs to eclipse with the jvm args |
| 20:22.54 | bigdog_ut | to find jvm args run java -h |
| 20:23.15 | bigdog_ut | actually java -X to get the args you need |
| 20:25.07 | bigdog_ut | here is mine $ eclipse -vmargs "-server Xms512M Xmx1024" |
| 20:31.04 | bigdog_ut | also if you are on linux and you have access to other jvms i would suggest using another jvm to run eclipse |
| 20:34.17 | bigdog_ut | ibm java or blackdown or kaffe |
| 20:49.52 | dataw0lf | man, Tomboy really does rock the house. |
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| 21:03.35 | alphahawk | Okay I know it can be done just can't seem to fathome today how to redirct a page. Is a meta tag best way to force it to another page and still be able to put up graphics? |
| 21:07.02 | macnewbold | if you want to show a page, and redirect after a time, then a meta refresh tag is the way to do it |
| 21:07.21 | macnewbold | if you want an immediate redirect, use header("Location: http://....."); |
| 21:08.18 | macnewbold | if you can't find the syntax for the meta refresh, alphahawk, let me know... I've got it here somewhere |
| 21:11.19 | alphahawk | I have got it just trying to figure out best way to do everything |
| 21:14.37 | macnewbold | it might also be appropriate to set the error status using header() too, so you can send a 302 Moved or something instead of 200 OK. |
| 21:14.51 | macnewbold | depends on why you're redirecting though |
| 21:19.10 | alphahawk | what I am trying to do is send a start a process and then test it and when it is complete move to another page |
| 21:20.41 | alphahawk | blah long day let me try and explain again |
| 21:21.12 | macnewbold | no, I get it alphahawk |
| 21:21.28 | macnewbold | I think what you'll want to do is either refresh, if you need to do a server-side check, |
| 21:21.37 | alphahawk | I am sending a document to a print from a web page. I then am testing to know when it is done printing. So I need to check the lpstat. |
| 21:21.39 | macnewbold | or use javascript to set window.location |
| 21:21.42 | macnewbold | if it's a client side check |
| 21:21.56 | alphahawk | hmmm window.location? will look at it |
| 21:22.08 | macnewbold | something like that... |
| 21:22.31 | alphahawk | ahh okay was looking at that. I just send it to a quick process page to test if the page is still printing |
| 21:22.43 | macnewbold | I've seen things that will just set themselves up to refresh every 5-10 seconds, then when it's finished, they'll send back a page that does something different |
| 21:22.49 | macnewbold | right |
| 21:23.06 | macnewbold | but if you know when you send the page to them, you don't need any javascript |
| 21:23.15 | macnewbold | and if you don't _need_ it, it's best to avoid it |
| 21:31.13 | dataw0lf | word. |
| 21:39.56 | alphahawk | woohoo it works |
| 21:43.07 | alphahawk | nother question. php has pdf functions for creating a pdf file. Is there a way to open a pdf file and tell how many pages there are? |
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| 21:48.10 | dataw0lf | I've worked with PDFLib extensively, and I don't think there is. |
| 21:49.20 | alphahawk | hmm oh wel |
| 21:49.39 | dataw0lf | there might be a pdi function for that, not sure. |
| 21:50.50 | dataw0lf | $numPages=pdf_get_pdi_value($p,"/Root/Pages/Count",$input,0,0); |
| 21:50.58 | dataw0lf | straight from php.net |
| 21:54.30 | dataw0lf | the PDFLib is weird, it takes a while to get the hang of it. |
| 21:54.52 | alphahawk | hmmm will just do other way and pase the cups log file |
| 22:06.48 | dataw0lf | hey, if you have a hackable solution and it works, why use an external library. |
| 22:07.12 | dataw0lf | that sounds really hackish, though, heh. |
| 22:09.30 | alphahawk | hehe. Ya and I dont have to load libraries or anything |
| 22:09.46 | alphahawk | thanks for help talk to you guys again later |
| 22:57.50 | synic | cycokilr: you there? |
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