| 00:01.24 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: so have you installed your openbsd yet? |
| 00:02.31 | macnewbold | lots of people in here today :), even after we've lost a few... |
| 00:03.01 | macnewbold | if any of you are SLC'ers, and want to carpool to the meeting tomorrow night... /msg me or something |
| 00:03.34 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, no not yet...i will start this weekend |
| 00:03.45 | jsmith | macnewbold: I might, but I'm all the way down in Riverton... |
| 01:09.31 | macnewbold | jsmith: if you're near I-15, or could meet us near I-15, we wouldn't mind picking you up |
| 01:10.59 | fungus | Sweet! |
| 01:14.51 | jsmith | macnewbold: I'll let you know. |
| 01:26.54 | bigdog_ut | how many plan on attending the meeting tomorrow? |
| 01:27.47 | macnewbold | ;) |
| 01:28.00 | macnewbold | but to answer your question, bigdog_ut: 42 |
| 01:32.19 | bigdog_ut | really that would be great |
| 01:32.35 | bigdog_ut | next months meeting is going to suck |
| 01:33.32 | bigdog_ut | who the hell wants to learn about gtk and php anyways |
| 01:34.17 | cycokilr | if i can figure out a way out there, i'll be there.. |
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| 02:45.00 | spiderbiter | bigdog_ut, how's the new pad ... feelin' cush? |
| 02:45.10 | bigdog_ut | yeah very much so |
| 02:45.32 | spiderbiter | I went looking a duplexes today |
| 02:45.42 | bigdog_ut | cool |
| 02:45.42 | spiderbiter | thinking about investing there |
| 02:46.10 | bigdog_ut | yeah this house is very nice i like it alot |
| 02:46.18 | spiderbiter | 8 beds 4 baths split 2 ways |
| 02:46.30 | bigdog_ut | cool that sounds nice |
| 02:47.18 | spiderbiter | yeah .. $250 a room makes the mortgage |
| 02:47.29 | bigdog_ut | that would indeed |
| 02:47.41 | bigdog_ut | i could never be a landlord though |
| 02:48.25 | spiderbiter | yeah ... there's a down side |
| 02:48.35 | spiderbiter | or six |
| 02:49.52 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 02:50.14 | bigdog_ut | spiderbiter, you heading to the meeting tomorrow? |
| 02:50.43 | spiderbiter | I have another appointment tomorrow night |
| 02:50.48 | spiderbiter | I'll try to make it |
| 02:51.13 | bigdog_ut | that would be cool...i plan to attend and bring some more books |
| 02:51.37 | spiderbiter | cool ... the key is getting drawn early |
| 02:52.26 | spiderbiter | however, I found myself wishing I had one of those not so popular book bags the other day |
| 02:52.55 | bigdog_ut | yeah those are the cool ones |
| 02:53.16 | spiderbiter | I've been carrying crap to the office in a plastic bag the last 2 weeks |
| 02:53.44 | spiderbiter | still looking for the perfect "Man Purse" |
| 02:53.46 | bigdog_ut | i got a cool coffee mug one time |
| 02:54.09 | spiderbiter | what ya working on tonight? |
| 02:54.11 | bigdog_ut | spiderbiter, that is the fanny pack man |
| 02:54.58 | spiderbiter | fanny pack! ... To bad those were embraced by the dorks ... |
| 02:55.42 | spiderbiter | I don't know too many that have been able to pull off the fanny pack |
| 02:56.17 | bigdog_ut | working on heading home...finished up some flow diagrams for our network and app authentication |
| 02:56.40 | bigdog_ut | going home to fix wps's crap he keeps breaking |
| 02:56.47 | spiderbiter | hehe |
| 02:57.02 | spiderbiter | well, go enjoy the new castle |
| 02:57.04 | bigdog_ut | got to work on a site tonight |
| 02:57.09 | spiderbiter | glad it's working for ya |
| 02:57.25 | bigdog_ut | then i am installing ubuntu on a laptop i have |
| 02:57.37 | bigdog_ut | somewhere in there eat dinner i guess |
| 02:57.44 | spiderbiter | I've been meaning to try that |
| 02:57.50 | spiderbiter | ubuntu |
| 02:58.14 | bigdog_ut | yeah i have been hearing dataw0lf pimp it all the time so i thought i would get the discs and see |
| 02:58.29 | bigdog_ut | and i need to burn some openbsd cds tonight |
| 02:58.54 | bigdog_ut | yeah i am not sure...i love gentoo too much, but since i have a spare laptop i thought i would try it out |
| 02:59.11 | jsmith | Spare laptop? Gee, how would that be? |
| 02:59.16 | spiderbiter | jsmith, what's your gripe? |
| 02:59.46 | jsmith | spiderbiter: Nothing really quantitative... mostly just didn't feel right. |
| 03:00.12 | jsmith | spiderbiter: Took me a long time to figure out how to manually change my IP address (for once it was easier to use the stupid gui tools) |
| 03:00.12 | bigdog_ut | jsmith, it is kinda cool |
| 03:00.26 | bigdog_ut | yeah i heard very gui |
| 03:00.32 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Certain things about it I really liked -- considering i'm a Gnome freak. |
| 03:00.33 | bigdog_ut | i am thinking the kids might like it |
| 03:00.46 | bigdog_ut | yeah i like gnome alot |
| 03:00.58 | jsmith | Yeah, it's great for eye-candy-loving-don't-have-to-admin-the-thing types. |
| 03:01.16 | bigdog_ut | bbiaf |
| 03:01.24 | jsmith | Me too! |
| 03:01.24 | spiderbiter | good 'nough reasons jsmith |
| 03:01.32 | spiderbiter | later all |
| 03:01.33 | jsmith | I'm headed for home... |
| 03:01.38 | jsmith | (finally) |
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| 06:17.52 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, im installing ubuntu now |
| 06:26.47 | wps | anyone have a censored words list that I could send to a friend that needs one for a website? |
| 06:27.15 | wps | I assume that there are already plenty of lists already compiled, saving a poor soul from having to list their own |
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| 06:52.21 | cycokilr | dataw0lf <-- loves the cock |
| 06:52.49 | wps | cycokilr: watch your language, please |
| 06:53.08 | cycokilr | sorry.. |
| 06:53.22 | bigdog_ut | ~melvin cycokilr |
| 06:53.24 | jbot | ACTION pulls cycokilr underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 06:53.27 | cycokilr | wrong channel.. |
| 06:53.43 | wps | you should watch your language in any channel |
| 06:54.17 | cycokilr | you're totally right.. sorry about that.. |
| 06:54.24 | wps | :) |
| 06:54.34 | wps | thanks |
| 07:09.16 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, i got my ubuntu installed |
| 07:09.19 | bigdog_ut | looks okay |
| 07:10.23 | tierra|w | you'll play with it for maybe 3-4 days, and realize it really isn't all that ingenious, and be back to gentoo before long |
| 07:10.35 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 07:10.37 | tierra|w | hehe |
| 07:10.39 | bigdog_ut | probably |
| 07:11.31 | tierra|w | I even went into it all hyped up... wasn't long before I was like "nevermind, this isn't that great" |
| 07:12.16 | tierra|w | I do see a lot of potential for Ubuntu to really take off, but I would have to say that it still needs at least another 6 months to a year |
| 07:12.54 | tierra|w | and until then, I like the way Gentoo is setup |
| 07:13.08 | bigdog_ut | gentoo is a nice set up |
| 07:13.23 | tierra|w | yeah it is |
| 07:13.47 | bigdog_ut | i run it at work too which makes life so much better |
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| 07:15.18 | wps | welcome, drewbono |
| 07:15.27 | drewbono | Howdy. |
| 07:15.36 | drewbono | So...I'm looking for the easiest way to sanitize incoming data. |
| 07:16.05 | drewbono | For example, since I didn't escape my ' char with user-inputted data, it didn't write it to the database. |
| 07:16.06 | tierra|w | check for valid characters only... best advise evar |
| 07:16.37 | tierra|w | hmmm |
| 07:16.49 | tierra|w | addslashes() |
| 07:19.01 | drewbono | Nice. |
| 07:19.07 | drewbono | tierra|w: Thx |
| 07:19.24 | tierra|w | np |
| 07:19.31 | drewbono | tierra|w: Is there a good tutorial for checking for valid chars only? |
| 07:20.42 | tierra|w | regex is the answer... I know there's a lot of good tutorials on it, but I don't know where to find them off the top of my head |
| 07:21.17 | drewbono | Cool. |
| 07:21.30 | drewbono | Seems like you have to be an expert to get good data in with PHP. |
| 07:21.43 | drewbono | Every other day seems like there's another exploit b/c someone didn't sanitize correctly. |
| 07:21.54 | bigdog_ut | very true |
| 07:22.03 | tierra|w | flood (if that's ok) |
| 07:22.11 | bigdog_ut | regex is the key that is what i use all the time and it works good |
| 07:22.12 | drewbono | I take that to mean that there's no easy answer to the problem... |
| 07:22.28 | bigdog_ut | create regex validation libs |
| 07:22.31 | tierra|w | function el_validate_username($userinput) |
| 07:22.31 | tierra|w | { |
| 07:22.32 | tierra|w | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.32 | tierra|w | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.32 | tierra|w | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.32 | tierra|w | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.34 | tierra|w | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.36 | tierra|w | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.38 | tierra|w | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.40 | tierra|w | } |
| 07:23.21 | drewbono | Nice. |
| 07:23.44 | tierra|w | yeah, very easy validation |
| 07:23.50 | bigdog_ut | tierra|w, why not use preg_match? |
| 07:23.57 | drewbono | So if you allow people to enter in an abstract of something they've written then, do you check for mysql commands? |
| 07:24.11 | drewbono | Or how would you check larger amounts of data, which aren't known beforehand. |
| 07:24.17 | bigdog_ut | public function isNumeric($element) |
| 07:24.17 | bigdog_ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.17 | bigdog_ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.17 | bigdog_ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.17 | bigdog_ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.18 | bigdog_ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.20 | bigdog_ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.22 | bigdog_ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.41 | drewbono | Man, I've gotta learn regex sometime. |
| 07:24.44 | tierra|w | I'm actually still a beginner with regex/php |
| 07:25.01 | bigdog_ut | preg commands are faster then the posix ones |
| 07:25.08 | tierra|w | that's what I hear |
| 07:25.19 | tierra|w | but I had trouble the last time I tried to use preg_match I think |
| 07:25.42 | bigdog_ut | that one checks to see if a number is really a number |
| 07:25.54 | bigdog_ut | and can have a "-" in it |
| 07:26.04 | bigdog_ut | so like a phone number or zip code in the us |
| 07:27.02 | bigdog_ut | also if you guys are on linux check out kodos |
| 07:27.07 | tierra|w | but yeah, regex is really the best, most secure way to validate input... like I said at first: check for valid character, not filter invalid |
| 07:27.15 | bigdog_ut | it is a kde app for writing regex and works great |
| 07:28.26 | drewbono | I'll have to look into that. |
| 07:28.36 | drewbono | Luckily I can run X apps on my Mac. ;-) |
| 07:29.16 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 07:29.22 | bigdog_ut | it is a really nice app |
| 07:29.32 | bigdog_ut | helped me really start understanding regex |
| 07:30.02 | drewbono | So bigdog_ut , back to my question: How does one go about validating a large text box? |
| 07:30.34 | bigdog_ut | u want text data so this can work |
| 07:31.05 | bigdog_ut | private function isAlpha($element) |
| 07:31.06 | bigdog_ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.06 | bigdog_ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.06 | bigdog_ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.06 | bigdog_ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.08 | bigdog_ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.10 | bigdog_ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.12 | bigdog_ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.34 | bigdog_ut | u might need to add a few other characters though |
| 07:31.52 | bigdog_ut | like \;\:\"\' |
| 07:31.57 | drewbono | Which in english means... |
| 07:31.59 | drewbono | :) |
| 07:32.21 | bigdog_ut | we are matching anthing that falls in that catagory |
| 07:33.11 | bigdog_ut | like tierra was saying you want to find a match of the data not exclude it |
| 07:33.33 | drewbono | Yeah, I agree with that, and in most instances that's probably not too tough to do. |
| 07:33.53 | drewbono | I was just wondering about larger fields, where you can't really know what the user is going to input. |
| 07:33.54 | bigdog_ut | i really suggest that you get kodos and play around with it |
| 07:33.59 | drewbono | Will do. |
| 07:34.19 | bigdog_ut | you can set the regex expression with the /[\w\.\-\_\?\!\(\)\&]+/ |
| 07:34.23 | mindjuju | can't drew just rawurlencode the textfield variable? |
| 07:34.37 | mindjuju | just encode everything that isn't alphanumeric or _ |
| 07:35.09 | bigdog_ut | but what about ? ! & |
| 07:35.23 | bigdog_ut | if it is a text field you might have those |
| 07:35.54 | mindjuju | yeah, but if you unrawurldecode when you bring the info back from mysql |
| 07:36.18 | mindjuju | the code won't all be there to translate it into to something else, at least I don't think i've ever had that prob |
| 07:36.45 | mindjuju | seems like spaces are translated into + so it would appear like this, wouldn't it? |
| 07:36.51 | mindjuju | test+&+test |
| 07:36.53 | bigdog_ut | how are you validating the data with url encoding though? |
| 07:36.55 | mindjuju | for test & test? |
| 07:37.19 | bigdog_ut | no the & might be encoded though |
| 07:38.03 | mindjuju | i can test really quick, but if the concern is sanitizing, then encoding will prevent malcode from running |
| 07:38.21 | bigdog_ut | yeah...validation will as well |
| 07:38.32 | bigdog_ut | cause we are validating the data to see if it is clean |
| 07:38.39 | bigdog_ut | and the discard if not clean |
| 07:39.01 | mindjuju | right, but just a few moments ago, ya'll were talking about how you always miss something in valdiation |
| 07:39.05 | mindjuju | encoding hits everything |
| 07:39.26 | mindjuju | just an idea anyways..., let me go test |
| 07:39.43 | bigdog_ut | true you could miss something...but we need to validate it and let the user know that the data is wrong |
| 07:41.02 | bigdog_ut | also it depends on the type of validation that you are doing |
| 07:41.20 | bigdog_ut | i need to test string length and what is inside the value |
| 07:41.37 | bigdog_ut | so your requirements might be different too |
| 07:41.52 | mindjuju | k, test & test comes out as test%20%26%20test |
| 07:42.42 | bigdog_ut | so what is someone added company as : Hunter, BigDog & Stud |
| 07:43.02 | bigdog_ut | does it fail cause the encoding changed & to %26 |
| 07:43.53 | mindjuju | Hunter%2CBigDog%20%26%20Stud |
| 07:44.15 | mindjuju | if you run this string in IE, it translates it |
| 07:44.16 | mindjuju | javascript:unescape("Hunter%2CBigDog%20%26%20Stud") |
| 07:44.39 | bigdog_ut | but my question is does it fail or pass? |
| 07:44.44 | bigdog_ut | the validation? |
| 07:45.20 | mindjuju | well, if the point is form validation, then your right, you don't know what they've submitted, but if the point is sanitizing like in a blog textarea, then encode |
| 07:46.07 | mindjuju | why validate, if they tried to pooch your box with a sql injection, then it fails and when you wake up in the morn and see the blog, well then you know somebody tried, the IP, etc etc |
| 07:46.10 | bigdog_ut | and that comes down to which you do first sanitize or validate? |
| 07:46.34 | mindjuju | touche |
| 07:46.42 | mindjuju | one could validate then sanatize |
| 07:46.46 | mindjuju | best of both worlds |
| 07:46.56 | bigdog_ut | true, but sometimes you want to notify the user before you do anything |
| 07:47.19 | bigdog_ut | if the validation fails then i dont need to sanitize cause i discard it |
| 07:47.56 | bigdog_ut | i throw the error and say..."you messed up" |
| 07:48.13 | mindjuju | k, you can do that if it is a mission critical form |
| 07:48.18 | mindjuju | but what if it's a guestbook log? |
| 07:48.22 | mindjuju | or a blog? |
| 07:48.49 | bigdog_ut | yeah that is fine...again the requirements are a key part to what needs to be done |
| 07:48.55 | bigdog_ut | ~melvin mindjuju |
| 07:48.58 | jbot | ACTION pulls mindjuju underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 07:49.06 | mindjuju | ~slap bigdog_ut |
| 07:49.08 | jbot | ACTION slaps bigdog_ut, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 07:49.12 | drewbono | Alright, break it up... |
| 07:49.14 | drewbono | break it up... |
| 07:49.20 | drewbono | :) |
| 07:49.22 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 07:49.25 | mindjuju | ~melvin drewbono |
| 07:49.28 | jbot | ACTION pulls drewbono underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 07:49.29 | drewbono | What the.... |
| 07:49.31 | bigdog_ut | ~insult drewbono |
| 07:49.36 | mindjuju | oops! friendly fire |
| 07:49.42 | drewbono | Aight, mindjuju and bigdog_ut, this means war! |
| 07:49.43 | bigdog_ut | sorry |
| 07:49.44 | mindjuju | ~punch drewbono |
| 07:49.46 | jbot | ACTION hits drewbono like the hot kiss and the end of a wet fist |
| 07:49.52 | drewbono | lol |
| 07:49.53 | bigdog_ut | ~kick drewbono |
| 07:49.55 | jbot | bugger off sod! |
| 07:50.03 | drewbono | I can't stay mad at you. |
| 07:50.03 | mindjuju | lol! |
| 07:50.08 | bigdog_ut | ~whaleslap drewbono |
| 07:50.13 | jbot | ACTION slaps drewbono upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 07:50.13 | drewbono | :) |
| 07:50.18 | drewbono | lol |
| 07:50.25 | mindjuju | hilarious! |
| 07:50.29 | bigdog_ut | ~abuse drewbono |
| 07:50.31 | jbot | ACTION smacks drewbono across the face. "Take that, Bitch!" |
| 07:50.41 | drewbono | You can tell bigdog_ut's been around the block once or twice. |
| 07:50.46 | bigdog_ut | jbot, relax bro |
| 07:50.56 | mindjuju | i really miss the IRC in the afternoon |
| 07:51.02 | drewbono | Whoa...getting pimped slapped. |
| 07:51.04 | bigdog_ut | yeah good times |
| 07:51.05 | drewbono | An IRC first for me. |
| 07:51.25 | bigdog_ut | i wrote the ~melvin with mindjuju in mind |
| 07:51.38 | bigdog_ut | ~melvin mindjuju |
| 07:51.40 | jbot | ACTION pulls mindjuju underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 07:51.51 | mindjuju | yeah, some day when I have time, i'm going to add the 3 stooges to jbot |
| 07:51.56 | mindjuju | like nyuk |
| 07:52.09 | mindjuju | wasn't that the nose grab and slap |
| 07:52.21 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 07:52.27 | mindjuju | ~slap bigdog_ut |
| 07:52.29 | jbot | ACTION slaps bigdog_ut, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 07:52.43 | mindjuju | what was the eye pokes? did those have a name? |
| 07:52.54 | bigdog_ut | cant remember |
| 07:52.57 | bigdog_ut | ~lart mindjuju |
| 07:53.12 | mindjuju | ~slam bigdog_ut |
| 07:53.14 | jbot | ACTION slams bigdog_ut against a large cement Tux |
| 07:54.52 | mindjuju | so anyways drew, if you don't really care to verify (ie non mission critical form) then encode, cause who cares!, but if mission critical form, then validate |
| 07:55.02 | drewbono | Good call. |
| 07:55.13 | mindjuju | so like when you program those pages for complaints against your website, just encode |
| 07:55.14 | drewbono | It was interesting to see you guys duke it out. |
| 07:55.22 | drewbono | :) |
| 07:55.25 | mindjuju | cause your not really going to bother reading it anyways! |
| 07:55.26 | drewbono | Exxxactly. |
| 07:57.40 | mindjuju | hey! I was just thinking, can't you have like 140+ extensions ( i think that is the limit) like those school email addys that are like nerd@someschool.edu.k12.ut.fubar.etc.etc |
| 07:57.53 | mindjuju | can you imagine trying to validate that! |
| 07:58.10 | drewbono | Messy. |
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| 14:49.18 | macnewbold | mindjuju: I saw that last night you were talking about big long school district email addresses.... |
| 14:49.57 | macnewbold | I don't know that there even _is_ a limit to how many sub-domains can be a part of your email address. Many things would probably limit it to 255 chars total, but it could be as long as you want |
| 14:51.34 | macnewbold | school districts always have some crazy long ones... |
| 14:52.04 | macnewbold | some people do it for fun, too |
| 14:52.31 | macnewbold | for example, I could make my email address something like mac@everybody.loves.to.visit.macnewbold.com |
| 14:53.12 | macnewbold | The people at sucks.com could probably make a pretty penny selling vanity email addresses, like joe@michael.moore.sucks.com |
| 14:53.15 | macnewbold | for example |
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| 15:19.39 | macnewbold | morning, drewbono... get your regexes figured out? :) |
| 15:19.59 | drewbono | Kinda. |
| 15:20.18 | macnewbold | there's a presentation on the uphpu site about them from last month |
| 15:20.23 | macnewbold | it might help some ;) |
| 15:20.37 | macnewbold | it's not magic, but it condenses some of the info on php.net and other places |
| 15:21.18 | drewbono | Cool. |
| 15:21.22 | drewbono | I'll check it out. |
| 15:24.07 | drewbono | Uh-oh macnewbold. |
| 15:24.16 | drewbono | "Background: B.S. C.S. '01, M.S. C.S. '05 |
| 15:24.17 | drewbono | University of Utah - Go Utes!" |
| 15:24.37 | drewbono | I think it's against BYU's honor code to read anything written by a Ute... |
| 15:24.42 | drewbono | ;) |
| 15:32.27 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 15:32.55 | macnewbold | yeah, I'm a believer in Free Agency |
| 15:33.19 | macnewbold | so I went to a school where we get to _choose_ to be good, rather than being forced to do it... |
| 15:33.20 | macnewbold | ;) |
| 15:33.35 | macnewbold | that, and the U's got a better CS program |
| 15:34.06 | macnewbold | so drewbono, did you find the regex section? Is it helping any? |
| 15:34.18 | macnewbold | they had an audio recording of the meeting, but it was lost in a tragic accident |
| 15:36.25 | drewbono | Yeah, I did. |
| 15:36.34 | drewbono | Too bad about the audio recording. |
| 15:36.37 | drewbono | May it rest in peace. |
| 15:36.51 | macnewbold | yeah, you can ask Dave Turnbull about it tonight at the meeting :) |
| 15:36.55 | macnewbold | are you coming, drew? |
| 15:38.23 | drewbono | What time? |
| 15:40.00 | macnewbold | starts at 7pm |
| 15:40.08 | macnewbold | point of the mountain, at Linux Networx |
| 15:41.53 | macnewbold | topic is "Debugging PHP" |
| 15:42.00 | macnewbold | and there may be donuts |
| 15:51.57 | drewbono | Ooooooo...donuts. |
| 15:52.09 | drewbono | Is anyone here running kodos under Mac OS X? |
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| 16:43.14 | wps | what's kudos, drewbono? |
| 16:46.34 | bigdog_ut | a candy bar |
| 16:48.02 | wps | a candy bar? |
| 16:48.08 | bigdog_ut | yep |
| 16:49.13 | bigdog_ut | or are you talking kodos? |
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| 17:02.00 | tbye | how ironic... I just googled for python regular expression and low and behold... kodos appears. |
| 17:06.19 | synic | what's that javascript that does the "make this page your homepage" ? |
| 17:06.31 | synic | normally I wouldn't care, but my boss wants one so much he's offered a bonus |
| 17:06.37 | synic | (which is just weird to me) |
| 17:07.19 | optikal- | haha |
| 17:07.25 | optikal- | i'd just google it *shrug* |
| 17:07.36 | synic | we were googling it, but only saw stuff for IE |
| 17:07.42 | synic | maybe it is only an IE thing |
| 17:16.22 | fungus | If your boss is they type to want that, he will obviously be using IE. No real users would want that. :) |
| 17:17.15 | fungus | s/they/the/ |
| 17:19.04 | synic | hehe |
| 17:19.06 | synic | true |
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| 17:21.59 | bigdog_ut | tbye you around? |
| 17:48.01 | kd7edh_2 | quit |
| 17:50.33 | tbye | I'm back now bigdog_ut, how can I help? |
| 17:51.56 | bigdog_ut | i am working on that spread sheet and should be able to send it out today sometime with the basic stuff |
| 17:52.06 | tbye | Excellent! |
| 17:53.27 | bigdog_ut | sorry took so long |
| 17:54.23 | tbye | No worries... I'm still pretty busy, but I'll definitely contribute. |
| 17:54.34 | tbye | I need a burn out project. |
| 17:58.10 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
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| 18:19.10 | drewbono | By the way, in case anyone wants to run Kodos on Mac OS X, I figured out how. |
| 18:19.17 | wps | what is it? |
| 18:19.29 | drewbono | You have to install 2 pkgs. |
| 18:19.49 | drewbono | 1. http://www.wordtech-software.com/pyqt-mac.html |
| 18:19.59 | drewbono | 2. http://homepages.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython/download.html |
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| 18:21.22 | *** topic/#uphpu by macnewbold -> Meeting Tonight! 3/15, 7pm: Debugging PHP | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 18:21.39 | drewbono | And download Kodos of course. |
| 18:22.01 | macnewbold | drewbono: what is kodos for? |
| 18:22.20 | macnewbold | doh, netsplit |
| 18:22.25 | drewbono | Then you run it using the command 'python kodos.py' |
| 18:22.25 | drewbono | I mean, 'pythonw kodos.py' |
| 18:22.33 | drewbono | http://kodos.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:22.33 | drewbono | macnewbold: It's a regex debugger |
| 18:23.00 | macnewbold | ah |
| 18:23.03 | macnewbold | fun ;) |
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| 20:39.23 | beandog | The jobs-announce archives aren't working? |
| 20:45.24 | wps | there never were jobs-announce archives |
| 20:47.36 | beandog | oh. |
| 20:47.44 | beandog | anyone hiring? |
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| 20:59.38 | macnewbold | beandog: why don't you tell us a little about what you're looking for? |
| 20:59.51 | macnewbold | welcome, Rajah! are you new in here? |
| 21:01.04 | Rajah | umm yes and no. I drop by off and on. I work over here at Linux Networx. |
| 21:01.28 | macnewbold | ah, right |
| 21:03.00 | macnewbold | I presume then, that you'll be at the meeting tonight? |
| 21:04.06 | Rajah | yes you presume correct. |
| 21:04.08 | beandog | macnewbold: Anything related to PHP. The more Linux, the better. |
| 21:04.28 | beandog | Oh good, so the meeting is at Linux Networx again tonight? |
| 21:05.05 | Rajah | yep |
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| 21:38.16 | macnewbold | wow... we're almost up to 20 people in here! :) |
| 21:38.35 | macnewbold | (incl. 2 bots and synic's other self) |
| 21:54.09 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 21:54.21 | bigdog_ut | jsmith, too bad you cant come |
| 21:56.24 | bigdog_ut | jsmith, did you request a book from me? |
| 21:57.06 | bigdog_ut | someone else requested a book from me and i just got it...if you did /msg me |
| 21:57.21 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Which book? |
| 21:57.26 | jsmith | For free? |
| 21:57.30 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 21:57.33 | jsmith | Sure! I'll take a free book! |
| 21:57.53 | bigdog_ut | someone said they want a manuscript of a new linux book |
| 21:58.08 | jsmith | Oh... uh... probably not me then. |
| 21:58.20 | bigdog_ut | i was thinking tbye did |
| 21:58.25 | bigdog_ut | cant remember |
| 21:58.28 | jsmith | How is it differnet than the other 49 Linux books on the market? |
| 22:01.52 | bigdog_ut | not sure to be honest...but i think this guy goes into detail on how to do specific things...like steps for setting up software raids and stuff like that |
| 22:02.16 | bigdog_ut | i just flipped the pages for a bout 2 minutes and that was it |
| 22:17.06 | tbye_ | definitely wasn't me needing a linux book |
| 22:22.03 | bigdog_ut | okay...i guess i will take it and see who wants them |
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