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00:05.59spiderbiterJungle love, It's driving me mad, making me crazy!
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01:51.16bigdog_utdataw0lf, you around?
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04:25.39bigdog_utdataw0lf, you around
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07:18.22bigdog_utdataw0lf?
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15:44.31ShaggiousMorning everyone. Has anyone done an install of PHP5/MySQL 4.1 on FC3 lately? I can't get PHP to compile with the --with-mysql option because mysql won't start for some reason. I keep getting the error "ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2)
15:44.31Shaggious"
15:49.41macnewboldShaggious: that error means that there's no mysqld running
15:50.14Shaggiousit won't start up when i try the 'service mysql start' :-(
15:50.22macnewboldwhat error does it give?
15:50.56Shaggiousno mysqld pid file found.
15:51.00macnewboldyou might look for its logfiles in /var/db/mysql or /usr/mysql or someplace like that, wherever it keeps its db
15:51.19macnewboldhm... dumb FC3 - if it isn't running, of course there's no pid
15:51.27Shaggiouslol
15:51.36macnewboldI'm a FreeBSD guy, so if its an fc3 thing, I'm not much help
15:52.01macnewboldmaybe og/messages or something else in /var/log has something useful?
15:52.10macnewboldsorry, that was /var/log/messages
15:53.45ShaggiousI've been reading through posts all morning and it's looking like it is a specific FC3 thing. Stupid MySQL :-p
15:53.57macnewboldno, no, no... stupid fc3
15:54.01macnewboldnot stupid mysql :)
15:54.04Shaggioushehe
15:54.05Shaggioustrue
15:54.28macnewbolddrewbono: does that torrent work for you today? I'm still getting the error
15:54.40drewbonomacnewbold: Lemme try.
15:55.36macnewboldtried two different torrent files in two different clients, and still no juice
16:05.33drewbonomacnewbold: Yeah, still broken.
16:05.40macnewbolddoh
16:05.41macnewboldokay
16:05.47drewbonoDo you just want the music video part, or the whole thing?
16:07.11drewbonomacnewbold: http://www.bluehome.net/1984/files/1984complete.mov
16:07.28drewbonoJust noticed that they have 3 mirrors listed on the right-hand side of their page.
16:18.07bigdog_utdataw0lf, you slacker
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16:31.12bigdog_utanyone interested in getting a manuscript to a new linux book for review?
16:31.33jsmithDepends on the topic
16:32.03bigdog_utlinux quick fix notebook
16:32.07bigdog_uthttp://www.phptr.com/title/0131861506
16:32.35bigdog_utthis is a review manuscript
16:35.06jsmith-firefightbigdog_ut: If I've got the time, I'd look it over.
16:35.59bigdog_utthen i will request a copy and get it to you if you like
16:36.47macnewboldjsmith-firefight: when you're done fighting fires, you'll have to share some fun stories about your fires
16:46.13jsmith-firefightmacnewbold: Oh, and I've got stories to tell.
16:46.27macnewboldooh, goodie
16:46.34jsmith-firefightThe last week has been full of good stories.
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17:13.02wpscan you use diff to merge directories, or just compare them?
17:14.37macnewboldjust compare them
17:14.42macnewboldrsync will do a merge kind of
17:15.18wpskind of?
17:15.45wpsApple has a developer utility called FileMerge that is built on diff that will merge directories. I am testing it now.
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17:16.34wpsI have two directories containing subdirectories of about 10,000 files each that I need to merge
17:17.38wpslooks like it's working
17:17.53wpsI would love to be able to do this from the command line though
17:18.01macnewboldwhen you say merge, do you mean merge changes to indiv. files, or just pull the newest version from each dir?
17:19.02wpsno merging of file contents
17:19.16wpsyes, latest files from each directory into one new dir containing everything from the two
17:20.09bigdog_utwps, http://cvs.bofh.asn.au/mergetrees
17:22.52bigdog_utlooks like the site is down
17:23.37macnewboldwps, rsync can do that. Just make sure you tell it not to replace newer files, and depending on timestamps being accurate, you may want to turn on checksumming
17:25.15bigdog_utbut how does rsync do diff merges
17:25.26bigdog_utfrom 2 sources into one
17:25.48bigdog_utone being a new one
17:28.12bigdog_utwps i think you want sdiff
17:28.48macnewboldsdiff will merge file changes, like rcs and cvs do
17:28.59macnewboldrsync just pulls new versions of a file as needed
17:29.55bigdog_utthe only thing with the commandline is that there are tons of options
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17:35.26wpsit appears that sdiff is only for merging files
17:35.34wpsdoesn't do recursive directories
17:37.05bigdog_uti would try it out and see...everything is really a file in unix
17:39.01bigdog_utsdiff merges the files...but uses diff underneath...so i think it will work on directories too
17:39.15wpswhat about recursive?
17:39.26bigdog_utdiff does the that
17:39.42wpssdiff doesn't mention that it accepts the -r flag though
17:40.05bigdog_utno but sdiff does not do the diff operation, it does the merge operation and uses diff underneath
17:41.03bigdog_utbefore you can merge you need to diff the files...so sdiff calls diff (or whatever diff you set with --diff-program)
17:41.46bigdog_utso try sdiff --diff-program=diff dir1/ dir2/
17:42.05bigdog_utsdiff --diff-program=diff dir1/ dir2/ > dir3
17:42.42bigdog_utsdiff --diff-program="diff -r" dir1/ dir2/ > dir3
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18:13.25bigdog_utanyone interested in get the oreilly mag?
18:25.12macnewboldwhat kind of mag is it? Catalog/sales brochure?
18:27.35bigdog_utno a technical one...let me see if i have a url to it
18:27.49bigdog_utive seen the mag only from a friend
18:28.34macnewboldif you bring one or two to the meeting, I'll let you know if I want to get them :)
18:29.17bigdog_uthttp://make.oreilly.com/
18:29.57bigdog_utit has a killer article about making your own credit card reader
18:30.12bigdog_utthat hooks to your laptop and works with *nix
18:32.19bigdog_uthttp://make.oreilly.com/01/magstripe/
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20:19.33drewbonobigdog_ut: Is there anyway to get the article itself?
20:19.39drewbonofor the card reader?
20:19.43bigdog_utnope
20:19.52drewbonoCan it be accesses through Safari?
20:19.53bigdog_utunless you can find someone with it
20:19.56drewbonoaccessed
20:19.57bigdog_utnot sure
20:20.04bigdog_utdid you check the website?
20:20.12drewbonothe make website?
20:20.13drewbonoor safari?
20:20.17bigdog_utsafari
20:20.56drewbonoYeah...
20:21.00drewbonoI don't see it anywhere though.
20:21.06drewbonoBut that could be because I don't know where to look.
20:21.15drewbonoBYU has a site license to safari
20:21.23bigdog_utoh
20:21.25bigdog_utthat is nice
20:21.46drewbonoyeah.
20:21.57bigdog_uti would think it would be...but not sure
20:22.26macnewboldsafari the browser? huh? /me is lost
20:22.36bigdog_utsafari bookshelf
20:23.52bigdog_utdrewbono, i dont think it is part of safari right now
20:24.16drewbonoDang.
20:24.31drewbonoI just emailed them, so we'll see what the definitive answer is.
20:24.38drewbonobigdog_ut: do you subscribe to Make?
20:24.43drewbonoseems like a sweet magazine.
20:24.48drewbonoI may have to fork out the dough.
20:26.21bigdog_utno i dont...but i am trying to get copies for uphpu
20:26.31bigdog_utnot a subscription...but the first issue at least
20:26.35drewbonoLet me know if you're successful.
20:26.42drewbonoI'll try to get the same for BYUMUG.
20:26.46bigdog_uti should get some in a few weeks
20:27.24drewbonoDid you just email Marsee?
20:27.37bigdog_utit was in one of the email she sent
20:27.37drewbonoand ask?
20:27.50bigdog_utbut then i did email her back and ask for them
20:28.40wpsbigdog_ut: I just downloaded Eclipse for Mac
20:28.43wpsyou might have a convert
20:28.53bigdog_utabout time
20:29.04bigdog_utive been pimping it for a while now
20:29.11wpsyou have
20:29.19bigdog_utmy ultimate trial will be synic
20:30.07bigdog_utif i can convert synic then i am "king of the world"
20:30.27drewbonoI love Eclipse.
20:30.29bigdog_utwps, check out trustudio php plugin it is cool
20:30.38bigdog_uteclipse rocks
20:30.43wpswhere do I find that?
20:30.44drewbonobigdog_ut: is that the one from the german site?
20:30.55wpsdrewbono, do you use Eclipse?
20:31.00bigdog_utthey are russion...but it is in english
20:31.02drewbonoYep.
20:31.03jsmithA nice PHP plugin for Eclipse?  This I've gotta see...
20:31.10drewbonoFor Java mostly.
20:31.21drewbonoJust downloaded a php plugin the other day for it.
20:31.25wpsdrewbono, you program java?
20:31.32bigdog_uthttp://www.xored.com/trustudio
20:31.37drewbonoEclipse has come a long way since the 2.x version, at least on the mac.
20:31.40bigdog_utand python too
20:31.40drewbonoit was sooooooo slow.
20:31.51drewbonowps: yeah.
20:31.56bigdog_utyeah...version 2.1.3 was my favorite for linux
20:31.58wpsyeah, I had seen it before and back then it was just another lame java app
20:32.06wpsI just downloaded it though and the interface is great
20:32.23wpsso, trustudio is the best PHP plug in for it?
20:32.41bigdog_utyeah i like it the best...however, i dont use it alot
20:33.04bigdog_uti use eclipse colorer for my syntax color
20:33.05drewbonoDoes trustudio autocomplete php functions?
20:33.35bigdog_utnot sure if it does...they are taking the java editor and writing it for php
20:33.45bigdog_utso it might
20:34.28bigdog_utfrom what i understand zend horked some of the stuff from eclipse for zend studio
20:36.26wpsreally?
20:36.31bigdog_utbut i could be spreading some rumors
20:37.40wpsbrb
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20:40.03dataw0lfsup gentlemen.
20:41.41drewbonooooooohhhh
20:41.42dataw0lfso, in closing, the goat was never the same afterward.
20:41.50drewbonoI didn't know Britney Spears did _that_!
20:42.20wpsThis trustudio download appears to have an entire copy of Eclipse in it
20:42.25dataw0lfhey, a bagful of money and two fifths of jack daniels does wonders.
20:42.37drewbonowps: they have just the plugin below that
20:42.46drewbonoyou're downloading the "novice" version
20:43.11dataw0lfwhaddya think of that, bigdog_ut ?
20:43.14dataw0lfme too.
20:43.46wpswhere is the plug in, drewbono ?
20:45.30drewbonohttp://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/vman/trustudio-foundation-1.0-macosx.tar.gz
20:45.38drewbono5.63MB
20:46.02wpsthanks
20:46.18fungusis trustudio Free?
20:47.28drewbonoLooks like they have a free version and a not-free, professional version
20:47.45wpswhich ones of these do I want and where do I put them?
20:48.00wpsjust drop them in the plugins folder with the rest?
20:48.19wpsdo I want all of the PHP ones?
20:51.30fungusyay, it is Free.  I'll have to try it out.  I really liked Zend Studio, but it wasn't Free.
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20:59.44wpsdrewbono: do I just drop these pugins in?
20:59.55wpsdo I need to do anything else to set this up for PHP authoring?
21:03.51drewbonoI'm not sure.
21:03.57drewbonohaven't had a chance to install it yet.
21:04.04wpsah
21:04.15wpsbigdog_ut: do I want all of these PHP plugins?
21:08.13bigdog_utyou need the http://www.xored.com/trustudio/download/v1.0
21:08.31bigdog_utu need the foundation and professional
21:08.47bigdog_utunless u do the bundle which has it all bundled with eclipse
21:10.24bigdog_utso really you could just download the bundle and you have webdav and ftp support too
21:10.27bigdog_utwhich is nice
21:10.35wpsk
21:10.55bigdog_utcause those are not in eclipse by default you have to get them
21:11.09bigdog_utthe ftp and webdav allow you to do syncs with those types of protocols
21:11.54bigdog_utfor example i have a client that we only uses ftp for development...so eclipse will sync with the ftp server like cvs without the versions
21:14.36wpsoh, whoops, I downloaded the professional version
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21:16.16bigdog_utget the free bundle and that will work great for you to start with
21:19.34wpssorry, I feel like a dork, but I do not see where to download the free bundle
21:19.43bigdog_utit is the professional
21:19.55wpsI see the pro bundle and the foundation and professional plug-ins here: http://xored.com/trustudio/download/v1.0
21:19.58bigdog_utbasically the want you to purchase a license that unlocks some stuff
21:20.08bigdog_utbut i just get it and ignore the license thing
21:20.12wpsoh, so it will continue to work without the license?
21:20.39wpswill it invoke a daily reminder?
21:20.46bigdog_utno
21:25.38bigdog_utdid that work wps
21:25.41wpslooks like it's going to ask me each time I launch it
21:26.16bigdog_utdid you delete the foundation and professional plugins zip files?
21:26.33wpswhat?
21:27.01bigdog_utwhat did you download (all)?
21:27.15wpseverything
21:27.25wpsbut I am using the pro bundle
21:27.35bigdog_utokay and you have a copy of just eclipse that you downloaded too right?
21:27.44wpsyes
21:27.58bigdog_utokay unzip the the foundation zip file
21:29.14wpsunzipped
21:29.40bigdog_utokay now unzip the professional plugin zip file
21:30.04wpsthey don't have one for Mac
21:30.25bigdog_utokay...
21:30.29wps(clarification to my earlier statement: I downloaded all that I could for my system)
21:30.34bigdog_utk
21:30.52bigdog_utso where is your eclipse app that you downloaded at?
21:31.06bigdog_utthat u unzipped
21:31.08wpson the desktop
21:31.19bigdog_utin the eclipse folder
21:31.22bigdog_ut?
21:33.04wpsyes, in a folder named eclipse
21:33.24bigdog_utand where did you unzip the foundation stuff to? on the desktop as well
21:33.51wpscorrect
21:34.17bigdog_utokay now start that eclipse that you have in the desktop folder
21:35.11bigdog_utwhen its done loading go to help -> about eclipse platform -> plugin details
21:35.13wpsk
21:36.06bigdog_utlook to see if you have a plugin from trustudo or says anything about php in it
21:36.41bigdog_utor you can go to file -> new project -> other and see if there is a php project available
21:38.18bigdog_utdataw0lf, u still awake?
21:43.53bigdog_utwps is that working?
21:43.58wpsno, bigdog_ut, the general eclipse download does not have the PHP stuff
21:44.03wps(sorry for the delay)
21:44.40bigdog_utdid the unzip create additional eclipse directories
21:46.06bigdog_utif you unzipped in the same directory for all of them they should all be in the eclipse folder
21:46.28bigdog_utunless you moved the eclipse (standard) to the desktop after you unzipped
21:46.47wpsno, no additional folders
21:46.52wpsI haven't moved it
21:47.01wpsIt auto-unzipped right onto the desktop
21:47.14bigdog_utfor all of them right?
21:47.14wpsfrom the archive, which downloaded to the desktop
21:47.18wpsyes
21:47.19wpswhy?
21:47.31wpsis that bad?
21:47.32bigdog_utcause that will put the plugins in the right place
21:47.57wpsthe plugins are in the eclipse folder inside a directory called plugins
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21:48.03bigdog_utdid you try file -> new project -> other and there is no php directory
21:48.15wpscorrect
21:48.17wpsno PHP
21:48.35bigdog_utyeah there should be some trustudio dirs in there
21:48.53wpsin the general Eclipse download from eclipse.org?
21:49.55bigdog_utyeah cause u unzipped with that eclipse folder already done
21:50.13bigdog_utthose zip files have the same structure of the eclipse.org structure
21:50.31bigdog_utso you can just unzip them into the features and plugins directories
21:50.51wpsoh, I think that I get what you are saying
21:51.22wpssince both archives contain a directory called eclipse, they should combine themselves and assemble the thing
21:51.26bigdog_utso if you look under eclipse/plugins
21:51.42bigdog_utthere is not directory org.trustudio.*
21:51.51bigdog_utyeah
21:52.13bigdog_utlike org.trustudio.ui_1.0.0
21:52.48wpsthat wouldn't work on a mac... if there is already a directory with the same name it auto-appends <name>.1
21:52.56wpsanyway, I can toss them in there manually
21:53.07bigdog_uttry that and see
21:53.14bigdog_utlinux it just writes them in
21:53.28bigdog_utRush - Anthem 4m25s 96 kbit/s  44100 Hz
21:54.02wpsalright, I have PHP now in new project
21:54.08bigdog_utcool
21:54.11bigdog_utnow you can use it
21:54.23drewbonowps: I just downloaded the n00bie version, and it looks pretty cool.
21:54.33wpsdrewbono: from where?
21:54.33drewbonoIt doesn't have autocomplete for php.
21:54.38drewbonodoes, rather
21:54.51wpsbigdog_ut: so will I be alright without the professional plugins?
21:55.02drewbonohttp://www.xored.com/trustudio/download/v1.0
21:55.25bigdog_utRush - Anthem 4m25s 96 kbit/s  44100 Hz
21:55.34bigdog_utyeah u should be
21:55.44wpsdrewbono: I do not see a non-professional version on that page
21:56.27drewbonowps: the foundation plug-in?
21:56.59wpsthat download page contains three items: the professional bundle, the foundation plug-ins, and the professional plug-ins
21:57.19drewbonowon't the foundation plug-ins work?
21:57.27bigdog_utit does
22:03.27wpshmm... this one that we built (general eclipse, with the foundation plug-ins), bigdog_ut, doesn't auto-complete
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22:03.34wpshmm... this one that we built (general eclipse, with the foundation plug-ins), bigdog_ut, doesn't auto-complete
22:03.49bigdog_utno they dont auto-complete
22:04.09wpsbummer, the pro bundle does
22:04.21bigdog_utthen you would have to pay for it i guess
22:04.40wpsor put up with clicking through the register this product dialogue each time I launch
22:04.42bigdog_ut$95/yr is okay i guess
22:05.51macnewbold$8/mo... less than $2/week, under $0.40 per work day
22:06.01bigdog_utyeah not too bad
22:06.11macnewbolddoes it come with upgrades included in that price?
22:09.18bigdog_utyes for a year
22:09.28bigdog_utaccess to all new stuff for a year
22:13.22wpsmy new employer just purchased Zend 4 licenses
22:14.02bigdog_uteclipse is so much better...
22:14.25wpsI am going to give it a whirl and see how I like it
22:14.28bigdog_utwhy zend did not create a plugin for eclipse like trustudio is beyond me
22:14.53tbyeAnyone ever try maguma studio?
22:15.09tbyeI guess they call it workbench now.
22:15.26bigdog_utwhat is the url?
22:15.31tbyemaguma.com
22:16.23bigdog_utwhat is it written in?
22:16.37tbyeI tried it out for a while... but didn't need all the extras.  I ended up buying komodo.
22:16.41tbyeI think it's in C++
22:16.59bigdog_utit looks like mozilla like komodo is
22:17.33bigdog_uttbye, perhaps we should get a list of all the php editors and do a review on all of them for uphpu?
22:18.05bigdog_utwe have windows, linux and mac users so why not do it...get some free licenses and such
22:18.19tbyeSounds like a great idea.  I don't tend to be too particular, but I've used several IDEs in my day.
22:18.34wpsexcellent idea
22:18.47bigdog_uttbye, you on windows?
22:18.49bigdog_utor linux?
22:18.56tbyeWin, Lin and OS X
22:18.56wpsor mac?
22:18.56wps:)
22:19.02tbyeWin and Mac primarily
22:19.10tbyeI use komodo on lin and win...
22:19.19tbyeI use subethaedit and bbedit lite on the macs
22:19.22bigdog_uti think you and wps could get all the windows and mac versions
22:19.38tbyesure
22:19.47bigdog_utwe could create a spreadsheet of them all and determine what are criteria to test is
22:20.07tbyesounds great
22:20.22bigdog_utwps, what do you think?
22:20.28wpsexcellent idea
22:20.44bigdog_utthen create a web page with all the stats
22:21.01bigdog_uti guess we just need to determine what are rating criteria is and how we will rate
22:21.42bigdog_uti can test window and linux and you guys can do mac for sure and what ever else
22:21.52bigdog_uti just dont have a mac
22:21.54tbyeSounds great
22:22.00bigdog_utor should we break it up
22:22.06bigdog_utone os for each
22:22.11tbyeThat works too
22:22.20bigdog_uttbye window, bigdog_ut linux, wps mac
22:22.34tbyeOkay by me.
22:22.40wpsZend is the only IDE I have used though
22:22.49bigdog_utthat is fine
22:23.53tbyeWe can punch list test once we've got the criteria setup... then it's just some personal opinion and commentary and you've got a review!
22:25.02tbyeMy personal criteria include FTP/SFTP support, SVN/CVS integration, tab completion, external library managment, build tool integration amongst a few others.
22:25.22tbyeobviously some may not apply.
22:25.38tbyeI liked debugger and deployment integration in Maguma.
22:26.18tbyeI liked integration with the rest of the site setup in Dreamweaver... although sometimes folks should stick to what they do best...  Dreamweaver was sometimes rough.
22:26.42bigdog_utyeah i like the features you described
22:27.38bigdog_uttbye, will you be online tonight
22:27.47tbyeShould be.
22:27.53bigdog_utokay i know wps will be
22:28.21bigdog_uti think i will write up some of my criteria and then email it to you guys and we can decide what we want as criteria
22:28.31tbyesounds good.
22:28.34tbyetbye@tbye.com
22:28.37bigdog_utokay
22:30.18bigdog_utthis will so help many out
22:30.20bigdog_utthere
22:30.33bigdog_uthave pricing and some links
22:30.42bigdog_utpeople will be hiting the site
22:31.03bigdog_utwps, lets get the banner ads going man...make some money...oh wait..lol
22:35.13bigdog_utwps did i tell you i got my server up and running behind my dsl
22:35.22wpsnope
22:35.24wpsthat's good
22:35.35bigdog_utyeah: 166.70.192.70
22:35.53bigdog_utit has faa running cause i did not get the vhost configured for it
22:36.46wpsso is that you dev site and then you upload to DEV?
22:36.55bigdog_utupload to cvs
22:37.14wpsyeah, sorry, that's what I meant
22:37.21bigdog_utthat way if you dsl goes down i can still work and use dial up
22:37.38bigdog_utyeah it is the same set up
22:37.43wpsyeah, I can't work if the internet is down
22:37.49bigdog_utpgsql is a little newer with 7.4
22:37.53wpswas too lazy to set up an entire replication of the server locally
22:38.13bigdog_utgentoo man
22:38.15bigdog_ut~gentoo
22:38.16jbotsomebody said gentoo was better than debian, or http://www.gentoo.org/, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html
22:38.43*** join/#uphpu drewbono (~andrew@byu176783wks.rn.byu.edu)
22:38.49synicjbot: somebody was wrong.
22:38.55bigdog_utlol
22:38.56synic:P
22:40.09bigdog_ut~debian
22:40.12jboti heard debian is a genuine free distribution, it isn't only a linux distribution, but also a hurd, freebsd and netbsd distribution. Currently, the linux based system is the only one that is considered stable. Another good point is that non-free and free packages aren't mixed, in that way you can know what is and what isn't free software before install it.
22:41.10synicjbot: debian =~ s/before install/before you install/
22:41.10jbotsynic: OK
22:45.13synicjbot: gentoo =~ /better/crappier/
22:45.25synicjbot: gentoo =~ s/better/crappier/
22:45.25jbotOK, synic
22:45.28synic:)
22:45.41bigdog_utjbot, melvin synic
22:45.43jbotACTION pulls synic underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles
22:45.49synicouch
22:47.39bigdog_utyeah
22:48.30synic~stats
22:48.31jbotSince Mon Feb 28 23:53:00 2005, there have been 56 modifications, 381 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 288 commands.  I have been awake for 2d 22h 55m 30s this session, and currently reference 108243 factoids.  I'm using about 17204 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 5626.01/412.9 child 393.87/32.17
23:17.55drewbonofunny signature:
23:17.57drewbonoA: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
23:17.58drewbonoQ: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
23:17.58drewbonoA: Top-posting.
23:17.58drewbonoQ: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
23:24.18macnewboldhehe, that's great drewbono
23:24.20macnewbolddoh
23:24.22macnewboldhalf a second too late
23:30.54fungusjbot: gentoo =~ s/crappier/different/
23:30.54jbotOK, fungus
23:33.24tierra|wjbot, gentoo?
23:33.25jbotwell, gentoo is different than debian, or http://www.gentoo.org/, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html
23:35.01fungusjbot: gentoo =~ s/http:\/\/julien.danjou.info\/article-apt-build.html//
23:35.22fungusjbot: gentoo =~ s#http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html##
23:35.22jbotOK, fungus
23:50.12bigdog_ut~gentoo
23:50.13jbotsomebody said gentoo was different than debian, or http://www.gentoo.org/, or

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