| 00:04.03 | macnewbold | I won't be able to make it to the meeting tonight after all |
| 00:04.28 | macnewbold | I was looking forward to harassing the OOP zealots who thing everything has to be done OOP |
| 00:05.09 | wps | that's too bad you can't make it macnewbold |
| 00:05.21 | macnewbold | yeah, I wanted to come, but my wife needs me at home |
| 00:05.25 | macnewbold | family first |
| 00:05.29 | wps | absolutely |
| 00:05.31 | macnewbold | even when it's hard |
| 00:05.35 | wps | excellent excuse |
| 00:05.48 | dataw0lf | ooh, there's going to harassment of OOP bigots? |
| 00:05.57 | fungus | Of course. |
| 00:06.00 | macnewbold | her PC crashed (running windows :( ) and she needs it back ASAP |
| 00:06.06 | wps | ah |
| 00:06.09 | wps | time to purchase a mac mini |
| 00:06.11 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: so you're on our side of the line too, huh? |
| 00:06.24 | macnewbold | yeah, no joke |
| 00:06.30 | macnewbold | I'd love one, |
| 00:06.32 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: psh, of course. I grew up on C. I can't stand people who want to encapsulate everything in classes. |
| 00:06.49 | macnewbold | yeah, my c++ is C for the most part :) |
| 00:07.14 | macnewbold | wps: I'd love a minimac, but unfortunately some of the stuff I'm stuck with is windows-only |
| 00:07.21 | macnewbold | so I'd have to at least keep my laptop |
| 00:07.33 | dataw0lf | the mini macs are lookin pretty hawt. |
| 00:07.34 | macnewbold | which is rapidly aging and getting less capable |
| 00:17.00 | spiderbiter | "rapidly aging" huh? ... that sound like sci-fi realm |
| 00:18.28 | spiderbiter | so macnewbold .. what you looking at .. a reinstall? |
| 00:19.03 | spiderbiter | or a data recovery process |
| 00:20.28 | spiderbiter | on that tangent, I've been playing with Knoppix lately ... I'm impressed |
| 00:21.06 | spiderbiter | boots right up on anything I've thrown at it |
| 00:21.41 | fungus | It might not be as pretty as knoppix, but http://www.freesbie.org/ is really cool |
| 00:22.37 | spiderbiter | I'll have to check that out, fungus |
| 00:22.55 | dataw0lf | Ubuntu live cd is pretty nice. |
| 00:23.04 | fungus | But, I am a little biased. :) |
| 00:23.14 | spiderbiter | liveCD's are the thing right now |
| 00:25.31 | spiderbiter | I don't know the distros very wekk, but I really was impressed with the hardware support with Knoppix |
| 00:26.11 | dataw0lf | I'd be incredibly surprised if Knoppix supported more hardware than the Ubuntu liveCD. |
| 00:27.39 | spiderbiter | dataw0lf, you have a url? |
| 00:28.08 | dataw0lf | www.ubuntulinux.org *shrug* |
| 00:28.11 | spiderbiter | got it |
| 00:28.24 | dataw0lf | If I go to the meeting I can bring some 'official' Ubuntu x86 and live cds. |
| 00:28.40 | dataw0lf | and PPC and 64 if someone wants those. |
| 00:31.38 | fungus | I am waiting for Hoary to try it again. |
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| 00:32.00 | dataw0lf | problem with Knoppix: KDE. |
| 00:32.04 | fungus | I liked Warty, one of my fav distros, but still doesn't beat FreeBSD imho. |
| 00:32.11 | dataw0lf | so, Gnoppix if anything. |
| 00:32.23 | dataw0lf | well, I love FreeBSD, but I wouldn't use it for desktop use. |
| 00:33.05 | fungus | Why not? I do. |
| 00:33.55 | dataw0lf | Well, personally: FreeBSD doesn't have the amount of hardware support that Linux does, and the future of desktop use for *nix systems IS in Linux. |
| 00:34.01 | dataw0lf | As I do device driver work, that's pretty important. |
| 00:34.14 | dataw0lf | I don't use Linux to be different. |
| 00:34.21 | dataw0lf | I use it because I develop for it. |
| 00:34.41 | fungus | Ahh, good point. |
| 00:35.06 | fungus | I manage many FBSD systems, so it makes sense for me to run it on my desktop. |
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| 00:39.57 | drewbono | I've got a simple question. |
| 00:46.48 | drewbono | I have an array containing arrays, and I'm trying to read the data back out using foreach. |
| 00:47.12 | dataw0lf | nested foreach, with is_array check. |
| 00:47.18 | dataw0lf | oh, sorry, go ahead. |
| 00:47.21 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 00:47.22 | drewbono | No...that's it. |
| 00:47.28 | drewbono | How do I do that? |
| 00:47.29 | drewbono | :-) |
| 00:47.37 | drewbono | I'm getting an error. |
| 00:47.44 | dataw0lf | paste your code somewhere? |
| 00:47.58 | drewbono | Yeah.. |
| 00:47.59 | drewbono | hold on |
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| 00:48.26 | dataw0lf | mebbe a print_r on the array too, with the error. |
| 00:48.33 | drewbono | foreach ($movs as $i){ |
| 00:48.34 | drewbono | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.34 | drewbono | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.34 | drewbono | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.36 | drewbono | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.41 | drewbono | it's a compile error |
| 00:49.08 | drewbono | Here's how I populated the array: |
| 00:49.16 | drewbono | $movs = array(array(x=>320, y=>240), array(x=>240, y=>180), array(x=>160, y=>120)); |
| 00:49.41 | fungus | What was the compile error? |
| 00:50.46 | drewbono | It just says parse error. |
| 00:50.50 | drewbono | Lemme look in the log |
| 00:53.08 | drewbono | Apache doesn't show an error. |
| 01:06.55 | macnewbold | have fun at the meeting, everyone |
| 01:07.48 | macnewbold | drewbono: you get that working yet? |
| 01:08.08 | drewbono | No. |
| 01:08.16 | macnewbold | can you paste the error here? |
| 01:08.17 | drewbono | Hey is there going to be an audio archive of the mtg? |
| 01:08.18 | drewbono | or video? |
| 01:08.25 | drewbono | Parse error: parse error in /Library/WebServer/Documents/mtg/test.php on line 25 |
| 01:08.25 | macnewbold | parse error at line xxx near ___ ? |
| 01:08.27 | drewbono | That one? |
| 01:08.30 | macnewbold | yep |
| 01:08.32 | macnewbold | what's line 25 |
| 01:08.42 | drewbono | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.52 | macnewbold | re audio/video: they've been recording audio, and saving it as ogg |
| 01:09.03 | drewbono | Where are they posted? |
| 01:09.06 | macnewbold | maybe $key is a reserved word or something? |
| 01:09.10 | macnewbold | they link them from the web site |
| 01:09.19 | macnewbold | what's on the line before that? |
| 01:09.35 | drewbono | foreach ($movs as $i){ |
| 01:09.35 | drewbono | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.35 | drewbono | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.36 | drewbono | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.36 | drewbono | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.47 | macnewbold | hm |
| 01:10.06 | wps | you should be able to use a foreach inside a foreach, no? |
| 01:10.10 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 01:10.54 | synic | what's on line 20-25 ? |
| 01:11.20 | drewbono | <?php |
| 01:11.21 | drewbono | $movs = array(array('x'=>320, 'y'=>240), array('x'=>240, 'y'=>180), array('x'=>160, 'y'=>120)); |
| 01:11.24 | drewbono | foreach ($movs as $i){ |
| 01:11.26 | drewbono | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.29 | drewbono | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.33 | drewbono | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.34 | drewbono | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.36 | drewbono | ?> |
| 01:11.39 | drewbono | There's the whole thing |
| 01:11.46 | macnewbold | hm |
| 01:11.53 | macnewbold | I get this as output: x is 320y is 240x is 240y is 180x is 160y is 120 |
| 01:11.59 | macnewbold | here's my code: |
| 01:12.01 | synic | I assume the weird As are tabs? |
| 01:12.05 | macnewbold | <? |
| 01:12.06 | macnewbold | $movs = array(array(x=>320, y=>240), |
| 01:12.06 | macnewbold | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.06 | macnewbold | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.06 | macnewbold | foreach ($movs as $i) { |
| 01:12.06 | macnewbold | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.08 | macnewbold | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.10 | macnewbold | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.12 | macnewbold | } |
| 01:12.14 | macnewbold | ?> |
| 01:12.34 | synic | drewbono: I copied your code exactly, minus the weird Â, and it ran |
| 01:12.37 | macnewbold | about the only thing I did other tan indent the $movs was add a space between ) and { on the $movs as $i foreach |
| 01:12.43 | macnewbold | the weird ? |
| 01:14.20 | drewbono | Weird. |
| 01:14.24 | macnewbold | very |
| 01:14.24 | drewbono | Thanks for the help. |
| 01:14.27 | macnewbold | np |
| 01:14.30 | macnewbold | didn't do much :) |
| 01:14.35 | drewbono | There were a couple crazy characters at the beginning of the line. |
| 01:14.42 | drewbono | You got me thinking along the right lines. |
| 01:14.44 | drewbono | Thanks everybody. |
| 01:14.49 | drewbono | Man, that was frustrating! |
| 01:18.04 | wps | off to the meeting |
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| 02:14.00 | spiderbiter | wps, how's the meeting going? |
| 02:14.07 | wps | just got started with the presentation |
| 02:14.16 | wps | did introductions and the raffle |
| 02:14.35 | spiderbiter | it'll take ma a half hour to get there |
| 02:14.44 | spiderbiter | probably not worth it |
| 02:14.56 | spiderbiter | wanted to go |
| 02:15.07 | spiderbiter | but got hung up |
| 02:15.27 | wps | sorry to hear that |
| 02:15.49 | spiderbiter | yeah ... slides? audio? |
| 02:17.08 | wps | hmm... we're not recording and I don't think that he has any slides |
| 02:17.11 | wps | sorry |
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| 02:25.45 | spiderbiter | well, enjoy! |
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| 03:10.08 | wps | does a soft link have it's own permissions, owner, and group? or does it just show that of the file it links to? |
| 03:12.18 | tbye | what's a softlink... like a symbolic? |
| 03:12.35 | wps | yeah |
| 03:12.49 | tbye | it should have its own permissions yes... |
| 03:13.02 | wps | and own owner and group? |
| 03:13.24 | tbye | as far as I know yes... let me test it really quick |
| 03:14.38 | tbye | yup |
| 03:15.00 | wps | hmm... I wasn't able to change the group |
| 03:15.02 | wps | I'll try again |
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| 04:29.37 | fungus | wps, you here now? I was wrong about the symlink. |
| 04:30.03 | fungus | you just need a -h on the command. eg: chgrp -h mailman dood |
| 04:30.36 | fungus | This will cause the command to work on the symlink, otherwise it will operate on the file pointed to. |
| 04:41.29 | wps | ah |
| 04:41.29 | wps | thanks |
| 04:41.31 | wps | I'll try that |
| 04:47.54 | spiderbiter | wps, I'm here doing RegExp's ... |
| 04:48.00 | spiderbiter | and thought of you, buddy |
| 04:48.16 | spiderbiter | you might like this: http://weitz.de/regex-coach/ |
| 04:48.57 | spiderbiter | I don't know if you can run it on you mac |
| 04:49.05 | wps | ah, I think that this is the same little app that Andrew sent me a while back |
| 04:49.10 | wps | if so, then yes, it runs on a mac |
| 04:50.24 | spiderbiter | it's pretty groovy |
| 04:50.31 | tierra|w | I've used that app before like a month before wps's talk |
| 04:50.46 | wps | me talk? |
| 04:50.49 | wps | my talk? |
| 04:50.55 | spiderbiter | macs? |
| 04:50.59 | tierra|w | err, mac's |
| 04:51.09 | wps | gotcha |
| 04:51.36 | tierra|w | I never used it much for "coaching", but it's come in handy a couple times for testing against code |
| 04:51.51 | spiderbiter | yep |
| 04:52.33 | wps | sweet, fungus, that worked |
| 04:52.34 | wps | thanks |
| 04:53.03 | spiderbiter | I'm trying to match over 30 pieces of data on a chunck of text and I can tweak until I match them all |
| 04:53.06 | spiderbiter | very nice |
| 04:55.16 | fungus | np, a "man" is a wonderful thing. |
| 04:57.37 | wps | "woman" is better |
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| 05:05.09 | spiderbiter | I vote for the "Tango" |
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| 06:08.32 | drewbono | I have another array question. |
| 06:08.43 | drewbono | If anyone is still awake. :-) |
| 06:09.15 | drewbono | I have an array with keys, and I'm wondering what the easiest way is to turn to key and value combo into a variable that can be called elsewhere. |
| 06:09.46 | drewbono | so if my key is x and my value is 20, I'd want a variable $x equal to 20. |
| 06:14.48 | spiderbiter | drewbono, will extract do? |
| 06:14.56 | spiderbiter | check it out |
| 06:15.29 | spiderbiter | http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.extract.php |
| 06:20.51 | drewbono | Genius, spiderbiter. |
| 06:20.56 | drewbono | that's exactly what I needed. |
| 06:20.57 | drewbono | Thanks. |
| 06:21.18 | spiderbiter | glad to help |
| 06:21.38 | spiderbiter | I'm treaking arrays right now |
| 06:21.45 | spiderbiter | wish I were more expert |
| 06:21.53 | drewbono | Expert enough for me. :-) |
| 06:22.13 | spiderbiter | It's nice to pay back the group from time to time |
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| 15:19.16 | macnewbold | morning, all... |
| 15:19.20 | macnewbold | how was the meeting? |
| 15:22.10 | drewbono | I was just wondering the same thing. |
| 15:22.47 | wps | meeting was great |
| 15:22.51 | wps | Jeff is a great job |
| 15:22.56 | wps | I was impressed with his knowledge |
| 15:23.15 | wps | it was funny too, his Father is also a programmer (Cold Fusion) and was there to heckle in the crowd |
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| 15:27.09 | bigdog_ut | mornin' all |
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| 15:35.12 | wps | dang, forgot to look at the MySQL docs before posting |
| 15:35.23 | tbye | hehe |
| 15:35.27 | tbye | no worries |
| 15:35.30 | wps | mysql.com is not very inviting though |
| 15:35.33 | tbye | google was my friend. |
| 15:35.39 | wps | (to my anyway) |
| 15:35.47 | tbye | no, it can be intimidating... I like the Paul Dubois book. |
| 15:36.02 | tbye | Though I do very little treeware these days... |
| 15:36.15 | tbye | I really like safari.oreilly.com |
| 15:37.14 | tbye | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.56 | tbye | But I do have a few choice Tomes of Wisdom that I refer to. |
| 15:38.06 | tbye | The Dubois Mysql book is one... |
| 15:38.26 | tbye | Definitive guide DHTML is great for DOM, CSS, Javascript and HTML for that matter... |
| 15:39.37 | tbye | Can anyone recommend a PHP book that you can't live without? PHP.net is great. |
| 15:39.49 | tbye | .. I usually end up there. |
| 15:40.17 | macnewbold | yeah, that's about the only place I use, |
| 15:40.33 | macnewbold | other than when google points me at phpdevshed or something like that |
| 15:41.00 | tbye | I would love it if Devshed actually put some cash into a better infrastructure. |
| 15:41.19 | tbye | It |
| 15:41.31 | tbye | It's time for them to upgrade to something that can handle the data/traffic. |
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| 15:53.42 | bigdog_ut | mysql.com's website is really good |
| 15:53.54 | bigdog_ut | alot better than pgsql's website |
| 15:54.03 | tbye | true |
| 15:54.28 | tbye | The docs have been going deeper and deeper under the marketing fluff though. |
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| 15:57.16 | bigdog_ut | the one thing i really complain about is the lack of advanced documentation...i see alot of "hello world"; however, i want complexity not simplicity |
| 15:57.49 | tbye | select * from user; |
| 15:59.21 | bigdog_ut | i want to see tuple relational caculus and cartesians...not basic queries |
| 15:59.45 | optikal | mornin |
| 16:00.12 | tbye | wow... I have no clue what those are. |
| 16:00.41 | bigdog_ut | database crap |
| 16:00.57 | bigdog_ut | database theory stuff really |
| 16:00.58 | tbye | I gathered that much... what's the use case for that kind of thing? |
| 16:01.18 | bigdog_ut | when doing complex queries over multi tables |
| 16:14.20 | bigdog_ut | it is the theory part of that |
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| 18:56.33 | dataw0lf | Hello guys. |
| 18:58.19 | synic | herro |
| 19:05.02 | optikal | yo |
| 19:05.05 | optikal | http://64.50.125.194/optikal/list.txt |
| 19:05.11 | optikal | my latest goodness. all just new stuff |
| 19:14.55 | dataw0lf | anyone know anything about RemedyMD ? |
| 19:16.28 | synic | nope |
| 19:18.13 | fungus | optikal, I disapprove of your use of the term "Indie Rock" when none of the artists in that category are independent. |
| 19:18.30 | optikal | i havent copied everything in there yet |
| 19:18.43 | fungus | Oh, ok. I have no problem then. |
| 19:18.47 | optikal | better not |
| 19:18.54 | fungus | Gratz on your awesome collection. |
| 19:19.03 | optikal | meh, its just new stuff |
| 19:19.05 | dataw0lf | you music thief. |
| 19:19.10 | optikal | dataw0lf: you betcha |
| 19:19.14 | dataw0lf | I'm telling the MPAA |
| 19:19.21 | optikal | fungus: ive got another 350gb or so at home |
| 19:19.26 | optikal | dataw0lf: good. im telling your MOM |
| 19:19.30 | fungus | Ahh, it's all stolen. |
| 19:19.37 | fungus | wow. |
| 19:19.50 | dataw0lf | optikal: why don't you get off my Mom? |
| 19:19.54 | dataw0lf | I just got off yours. |
| 19:20.02 | optikal | dataw0lf: cause i paid for an hour.. and im getting my times worth |
| 19:20.08 | dataw0lf | ^5 |
| 19:20.11 | optikal | heh ^5 |
| 19:20.36 | optikal | blegh. i hate it when ppl dont pay u money they owe. |
| 19:20.41 | optikal | about time to visit this guy at work |
| 19:23.02 | fungus | My music list is at http://music.myfungus.net/ Highly unorganized. And probably only available temporarily if abused. |
| 19:24.12 | optikal | robots.txt that sucker |
| 19:24.17 | optikal | or it will be abused |
| 19:24.23 | optikal | by google |
| 19:24.32 | optikal | Clay Walker? *runs away in fear* |
| 19:24.51 | fungus | ahh, good idea. |
| 19:24.53 | optikal | u should also .htaccess it for prettier view =) |
| 19:25.06 | optikal | albums first, show more than 16 characters or whatever |
| 19:25.11 | optikal | err folders, not albums |
| 19:25.19 | fungus | This was just a quickie to share with just a few friends. It is standard apache index |
| 19:25.59 | dataw0lf | this would be cool if I got this job at RemedyMD. They got some oldschool charactas working for em. |
| 19:26.08 | fungus | And in my defense, this is my whole family's collection. I don't claim the Clay Walker crap. |
| 19:26.24 | dataw0lf | LIES. |
| 19:26.51 | optikal | suuure. |
| 19:26.57 | optikal | sarah makes me have crap in my collection to =( |
| 19:27.02 | dataw0lf | LIES. |
| 19:27.06 | optikal | Im thinkin of buying her a 80gb, and putting all her CRAP on there |
| 19:27.20 | optikal | okay.. so i sit in bed at night listening to britney spears and garth brooks. |
| 19:27.22 | optikal | =( |
| 19:27.26 | dataw0lf | I need an 80 gig worse than she does. |
| 19:27.33 | optikal | hehe |
| 19:27.37 | optikal | i just dug out a extra puter |
| 19:27.39 | optikal | it had a 80gb in it |
| 19:27.39 | dataw0lf | dude, she told me the only reason she had those videos was cuz of you. |
| 19:27.44 | optikal | so i set it up in the corner that was empty |
| 19:27.47 | dataw0lf | ok, I'll take it. kthnx |
| 19:27.56 | optikal | ha. |
| 19:28.04 | optikal | what videos? |
| 19:28.08 | dataw0lf | and we'll all float on... |
| 19:28.12 | dataw0lf | Britney Spears. |
| 19:28.14 | dataw0lf | and Jewel. |
| 19:28.22 | optikal | LIES. |
| 19:28.50 | optikal | converting that entire list to ape now.. this will be awhile |
| 19:29.27 | dataw0lf | I backed my car into a cop car the other day |
| 19:29.40 | optikal | that would be believeable if you had a car |
| 19:29.41 | dataw0lf | Well he just drove off sometimes life's ok |
| 19:29.59 | dataw0lf | I ran my mouth off a bit too much oh what can I say |
| 19:30.05 | dataw0lf | Well you just laughed it off it was all ok |
| 19:30.07 | fungus | Now I know I don't believe it. |
| 19:30.19 | dataw0lf | it's Modest Mouse you losers. |
| 19:30.23 | optikal | oh |
| 19:30.25 | dataw0lf | and we'll all float on ok |
| 19:30.27 | optikal | havent heard enuff of them yet |
| 19:30.42 | dataw0lf | Well, a fake Jamaican took every last dime with a scam |
| 19:30.51 | dataw0lf | It was worth it just to learn from sleight-of-hand |
| 19:31.02 | dataw0lf | that's Float On. I <3 that song. |
| 19:31.10 | optikal | it is a good song |
| 19:31.16 | optikal | very good infact. |
| 19:31.29 | optikal | when i played it, after you recommended i hear it, i thought 'ooh. i do like this song.' |
| 19:31.42 | dataw0lf | alright already we'll all float on |
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| 19:31.55 | dataw0lf | yup, and I'm going to their show |
| 19:32.06 | fungus | I actually paid for that song. My days of thievery are pretty much over. |
| 19:32.11 | optikal | im in 'never ever land' with IM |
| 19:32.16 | optikal | fungus: thats too bad |
| 19:32.19 | optikal | =P |
| 19:32.19 | dataw0lf | I'm like Robin Hood. |
| 19:32.24 | dataw0lf | without the giving to the poor. |
| 19:32.26 | optikal | i support artists, no doubt |
| 19:32.40 | fungus | lol, well I do get books on CD at the library and rip them. :( |
| 19:32.42 | optikal | in one months time, ill be spending about $130 on infected.co.il |
| 19:32.57 | optikal | which about $110 of that will probably goto the IM |
| 19:33.23 | optikal | or a good majority, unlike americas recorded labels |
| 19:33.26 | optikal | -ed |
| 19:33.57 | dataw0lf | I don't support artists EVAR. |
| 19:34.35 | optikal | heh |
| 19:46.25 | bigdog_ut | mp3 |
| 19:46.58 | bigdog_ut | ~slashdot |
| 19:47.20 | fungus | ~sha1 |
| 19:47.41 | bigdog_ut | ~listkeys sha1 |
| 19:47.52 | bigdog_ut | fungus, no sha1 |
| 19:48.02 | bigdog_ut | ~tell fungus no sha1 |
| 19:48.02 | fungus | nope. |
| 19:48.16 | bigdog_ut | ~search sha1 |
| 19:48.19 | fungus | ha, no tell. |
| 19:48.56 | bigdog_ut | ~say BigDog_ut is the man |
| 19:48.58 | jbot | BigDog_ut is the man |
| 19:49.14 | bigdog_ut | ~wikipedia sha1 |
| 19:50.29 | bigdog_ut | fungus, there you go |
| 19:50.52 | fungus | ~sha1 |
| 19:50.53 | jbot | somebody said sha1 was broken. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/02/sha1_broken.html |
| 19:50.58 | bigdog_ut | ~yahoo sha1 |
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| 19:52.55 | bigdog_ut | ~google sha1 |
| 19:56.22 | bigdog_ut | ~uphpu |
| 20:09.58 | bigdog_ut | when is the meeting presentation going to be up on the site? |
| 20:49.07 | zardinuk | when I remember to plug my laptop into the network before I go to work :P |
| 20:49.08 | zardinuk | I was planning on doing it from here |
| 20:55.46 | zardinuk | I'll have them available by tonight |
| 20:56.05 | bigdog_ut | cool |
| 20:56.11 | bigdog_ut | i look forward to reading about it |
| 20:57.17 | zardinuk | did you go? |
| 20:58.43 | zardinuk | I wasn't planning on writing up a synopsis but if you need that I could probably whip that up |
| 20:59.29 | bigdog_ut | i did not have time to attend |
| 20:59.35 | bigdog_ut | still unpacking from a move |
| 20:59.48 | bigdog_ut | did you have a slide presentation? |
| 21:01.24 | zardinuk | no |
| 21:02.13 | zardinuk | people requested my source code I had up on the screen so I was just going to pack that up |
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| 21:04.21 | bigdog_ut | okay that is cool then |
| 21:04.51 | *** join/#uphpu optikal (~optikal@67-40-118-81.slkc.uswest.net) |
| 21:05.11 | optikal | hey, im looking for a commuter car.. some little 4 or 6 cylinder fuel injected thing that gets atleast 20mpg+. i either need something cheap, or something that someone can work with me on payments. |
| 21:05.11 | optikal | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.18 | fungus | Have you or anyone in here used DB_DataObject? How does it compare to Propel? |
| 21:05.39 | optikal | not i |
| 21:16.27 | bigdog_ut | my question is why use propel? do the object really persist in memory? |
| 21:19.19 | zardinuk | DB_DataObject is similar |
| 21:19.50 | zardinuk | I tested it out but I didn't like it much, it wasn't really a "persistence layer" |
| 21:20.07 | zardinuk | propel makes your database access more transparent |
| 21:20.28 | bigdog_ut | but how is the layer persistent? |
| 21:20.53 | zardinuk | it maps certain object attributes to column names |
| 21:21.38 | bigdog_ut | that is object mapping, but where does the persistent come into play...does propel support in memory object persistence? |
| 21:22.00 | bigdog_ut | or do i have to create the objects each time the layer is accessed? |
| 21:22.01 | zardinuk | No, but I demonstrated a PHP extension that does that |
| 21:22.11 | zardinuk | they dont persist in memory though |
| 21:22.19 | zardinuk | they're cached in memory, but they persist on the disk |
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| 21:22.47 | bigdog_ut | you mean they are serialized to memory? |
| 21:23.20 | zardinuk | no, DyBASE is an actual object oriented database, it doesn't use the PHP serialize function |
| 21:23.48 | bigdog_ut | how are do they implement the persistence of the objects? |
| 21:23.50 | zardinuk | you just declare your classes as extends Persistent and you can index them in your flat file database and stuff |
| 21:24.22 | dataw0lf | http://images.amazon.com/media/imdb/01/ads/hhgttg42/AmazonFilms.swf |
| 21:24.31 | dataw0lf | Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy trailer. |
| 21:24.33 | dataw0lf | o |
| 21:24.33 | dataw0lf | m |
| 21:24.34 | dataw0lf | g |
| 21:25.10 | bigdog_ut | but they do not persist in memory then, so you still have the i/o for accessing the objects |
| 21:25.16 | fungus | Personally I am not that interested in persistence. I am more instrested in the ORM functionality. |
| 21:25.30 | zardinuk | yeah, persistence is implemented in all sorts of ways |
| 21:25.37 | zardinuk | you could use SHM |
| 21:25.41 | zardinuk | I think there is a PHP extension for shared memory |
| 21:25.52 | bigdog_ut | i am looking for one that uses shared memory |
| 21:26.52 | bigdog_ut | i just dont see the reason for the mapping if unless you can persist the objects in memory |
| 21:27.34 | zardinuk | I was looking at eliminating clutter from your code having to do with database access, how to set up a "data model" to represent your data and not your database |
| 21:27.43 | bigdog_ut | but then again, i just have too much experience with these...like hibernate, toplink, and spring |
| 21:28.04 | zardinuk | you use them? |
| 21:28.12 | bigdog_ut | zardinuk, sounds like it went well...i wish i could have been there |
| 21:28.17 | bigdog_ut | yeah i use them all |
| 21:28.34 | bigdog_ut | hibernate is really what i like |
| 21:28.36 | zardinuk | I think a lot of PHP developers use mysql functions directly |
| 21:28.51 | zardinuk | or they wrap their mysql functions in a class called "mydatabase" or something |
| 21:29.31 | bigdog_ut | i tend to use a alot of dao and vo's in php |
| 21:29.35 | zardinuk | I dont think I got my message across very well, but it was a good experience for me, perhaps I'll try it again if things are stale |
| 21:29.42 | fungus | You are right about that. bigdog_ut, is an oop guru, and not normal. :) |
| 21:29.46 | dataw0lf | yeah, my database class has matured pretty well. |
| 21:30.05 | zardinuk | what do you mean by vo? |
| 21:30.11 | bigdog_ut | value objects |
| 21:30.45 | zardinuk | propel is the same as the apache torque project, there is no hibernate clone for PHP as far as I know |
| 21:31.14 | bigdog_ut | yeah i am waiting for it...i want persistent objects in memory |
| 21:31.26 | bigdog_ut | but then i can just do j2ee for that |
| 21:31.52 | zardinuk | http://pecl.php.net/package/memcache |
| 21:32.06 | bigdog_ut | yeah i have seen that...not to appealing yet |
| 21:32.17 | zardinuk | you use linux? |
| 21:32.27 | bigdog_ut | exclusively |
| 21:32.45 | zardinuk | I usually just set up a shared memory disk thingy, /dev/shm I think |
| 21:32.51 | zardinuk | if I want to make something speedy\ |
| 21:33.42 | zardinuk | as long as you're using MMIO and keep the file open, i figure it can't be much slower than using shared memory directly |
| 21:33.45 | bigdog_ut | yep that is right...the only thing with that is it is not portable |
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| 21:39.09 | bigdog_ut | clean for me is not having 20 queries on a page |
| 21:39.20 | zardinuk | these days speed is a non-issue, then again I'm not working at ebay |
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| 21:41.45 | bigdog_ut | i see speed and clean 2 different issues |
| 21:42.58 | dataw0lf | yeah, but clean code is often speedier than dirty code. |
| 21:43.25 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 21:43.51 | optikal | dataw0lf: do you like your code, like you like your women? =) |
| 21:44.27 | bigdog_ut | optikal++ |
| 21:44.38 | optikal | hah |
| 21:46.39 | bigdog_ut | how many attending the meeting? |
| 21:47.00 | zardinuk | maybe 20 |
| 21:47.13 | bigdog_ut | any good discussion after? |
| 21:47.16 | dataw0lf | optikal: yup, clean and quick. NO BUGS. And no flashy crap. |
| 21:47.37 | optikal | dataw0lf: =) |
| 21:47.53 | zardinuk | there was some talk of java vs. php, object oriented programming, spent a bit of time on exceptions and why they're good |
| 21:47.59 | optikal | anyone here wanna buy a toshiba e740 or some computer hardware? I need get $300 asap. |
| 21:48.36 | zardinuk | I'll buy your soul for $300 |
| 21:48.43 | optikal | that works |
| 21:48.49 | optikal | does me no good |
| 21:49.08 | optikal | i teased too many little jonnies.. im definately not going to heaven. |
| 22:03.43 | dataw0lf | damn. |
| 22:03.48 | dataw0lf | I'd sell my soul for 5 bucks. |
| 22:03.59 | dataw0lf | actually, I think I sold it in highschool to some nerd. |
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| 22:13.13 | zardinuk | whats the diff between flash and fireworks? |
| 22:13.22 | bigdog_ut | one is brighter |
| 22:13.48 | zardinuk | har har |
| 22:14.29 | bigdog_ut | wps knows |
| 22:14.43 | bigdog_ut | ~diff |
| 22:14.44 | jbot | You can use 'diff' and 'patch' to patch binary files! Just pass the -a option to diff, and _BE SURE_ to pipe the output to a file, otherwise you're going to see a lot of noise... |
| 22:15.04 | zardinuk | is wps the flash expert? |
| 22:15.15 | wps | fireworks is an image creation program |
| 22:15.16 | bigdog_ut | he is a design monkey |
| 22:15.33 | wps | flash creates flash |
| 22:18.54 | zardinuk | What do you use wade? |
| 22:19.05 | zardinuk | I've always been a photoshop/imageready monkey |
| 22:19.24 | zardinuk | but recently I bought a website template with flash in it |
| 22:19.36 | zardinuk | so now I gotta use flash |
| 22:20.53 | bigdog_ut | i like gimp |
| 22:21.25 | bigdog_ut | but its ui is difficult compared to photoshop |
| 22:21.50 | fungus | but gimp is free! |
| 22:21.57 | zardinuk | yeah I figure as long as I've got photoshop and windows I'll use photoshop |
| 22:22.26 | bigdog_ut | yeah it is not bad at all |
| 22:22.32 | fungus | Yes, but you lose your freedom. Are you willing to give up your Freedom? |
| 22:22.33 | bigdog_ut | but you can run gimp on windows too |
| 22:22.47 | zardinuk | lol, my freedom? |
| 22:23.26 | zardinuk | I used gimp, it didn't have as many features as photoshop |
| 22:23.43 | bigdog_ut | ~slap wps |
| 22:23.46 | jbot | ACTION slaps wps, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:23.56 | fungus | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html |
| 22:24.17 | zardinuk | you sound like richard stahlman |
| 22:24.20 | tierra|w | gimp's ui is difficult compared with photoshop? are you talking gimp 1 or gimp 2? |
| 22:24.31 | bigdog_ut | i use 2 |
| 22:24.58 | tierra|w | since Gimp reorganized all the menu items and put them in the right place, it's really easy to find stuff |
| 22:25.34 | zardinuk | I'm wondering how fireworks compares to photoshop |
| 22:25.47 | wps | doesn't hold a candle |
| 22:25.55 | wps | I use the adobe suite |
| 22:26.04 | tierra|w | yeah, I wouldn't think so either, and I've never touched fireworks |
| 22:26.06 | bigdog_ut | wps, is bias |
| 22:26.16 | zardinuk | doesn't freehand hold some weight |
| 22:26.20 | wps | i am? |
| 22:26.30 | tierra|w | I' |
| 22:26.39 | bigdog_ut | wps, loves all the adobe products |
| 22:26.46 | tierra|w | I'd have to say everything you've mentioned is kinda used for a different purpose |
| 22:26.52 | zardinuk | I've never had any reason to dislike them |
| 22:27.25 | zardinuk | freehand/illustrator, I don't use either but maybe someday I will, I'd like to buy one of those wacom tablets |
| 22:30.25 | zardinuk | I'll do away with this wrist pain |
| 22:31.37 | tierra|w | if I was at all artistic, a wacom would be nice |
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| 22:33.19 | zardinuk | tierra, have you ever taken a drawing class? |
| 22:35.22 | zardinuk | I wouldn't have thought I was very artistic either, but someone showed me the way of the jedi |
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| 22:51.09 | tierra|w | the closest thing to an art class that I've taken was a quick 3-4 weeks in my Occupational Drafting class that counted for I think 3 college classes (SLCC course credit) ... The class it covered was ARCH 1130 BASIC DRAWING ... heh |
| 22:51.32 | tierra|w | er.. the 3-4 weeks covered one of the classes |
| 22:51.38 | tierra|w | the drawing class |
| 22:51.50 | fungus | I got you beat, I had a general art class in junior high school. Nothing since then. |
| 22:52.09 | tierra|w | hehe |
| 22:52.19 | fungus | And I only got a C. |
| 22:52.27 | fungus | I am not an artist. |
| 22:54.12 | tierra|w | I actually wasn't all that bad... here's one of my fanart works: http://www.deviantart.com/view/4285357/ |
| 22:54.39 | optikal | wow |
| 22:54.43 | tierra|w | unfortunately, ask me to do an orginal, and it's going to be a mess |
| 22:54.44 | optikal | thats actually really good |
| 22:54.48 | optikal | hah |
| 22:55.25 | tierra|w | I actually turned that in as one of my final peices for the class... got a nice A |
| 22:55.57 | optikal | awesome |
| 22:57.59 | tierra|w | optikal, you've seen that one matted sitting on my dresser haven't you? |
| 22:58.09 | optikal | i dont believe so |
| 22:58.26 | tierra|w | yeah, it's just sitting on display on my dresser on the north wall |
| 22:58.28 | optikal | usually preoccupied with someone else to look |
| 22:58.34 | optikal | err |
| 22:58.35 | tierra|w | heh |
| 22:58.36 | optikal | someone? something.. |
| 22:58.51 | tierra|w | it's alright, I know how you feel about me |
| 22:58.53 | tierra|w | =) |
| 22:59.08 | optikal | =P |
| 23:00.27 | dataw0lf | gay++ |
| 23:00.27 | optikal | i try to be an artist sometimes |
| 23:00.42 | dataw0lf | You've seen my work. Nuff said. |
| 23:00.49 | optikal | i was bored the other day and made this.. |
| 23:00.50 | optikal | http://www.optikal.org/jerz4.jpg |
| 23:00.57 | optikal | dataw0lf: haha.. oh, yeah.. we have =P |
| 23:01.13 | tierra|w | ? |
| 23:01.15 | optikal | dataw0lf: but as i told you before.. you may not have the artistic touch, but you do have the details |
| 23:01.32 | optikal | tierra|w: his soldier guy in mspaint? |
| 23:01.47 | dataw0lf | remember? I was kinda ... intoxicated. |
| 23:01.50 | optikal | well, not even a 'guy' |
| 23:01.51 | tierra|w | HAHAHAHA! Oh Yeah! that was awesome |
| 23:01.53 | optikal | more a monster |
| 23:02.03 | optikal | it was definately creative =) |
| 23:02.05 | tierra|w | did you save that? |
| 23:02.06 | dataw0lf | it was how I see myself. |
| 23:02.21 | dataw0lf | no, I didn't want it to come back and haunt me when I get older. |
| 23:02.26 | tierra|w | haha |
| 23:02.31 | optikal | haha |
| 23:02.46 | dataw0lf | tierra|w: so I think I might go work at RemedyMD. |
| 23:02.59 | optikal | oh yeh? |
| 23:02.59 | tierra|w | hmm.. heard of them... PHP? |
| 23:03.06 | dataw0lf | Yeah. |
| 23:03.16 | dataw0lf | I ditched the bartender idea when I got a whiff of what they'd pay me. |
| 23:03.23 | optikal | ooh lame =( |
| 23:04.01 | optikal | dataw0lf: what about transportation to/from work? or can u work @ home as wel? |
| 23:04.04 | dataw0lf | http://www.remedymd.com/careers/tech_appdev.shtml |
| 23:04.18 | dataw0lf | optikal: I'm about to buy a new car, mine is going to take too long to get here. |
| 23:04.36 | optikal | ooh that sucks |
| 23:05.15 | optikal | " Design and build artificial intelligence modules to assist in diagnosing and treating chronic illness" |
| 23:05.17 | optikal | interesting |
| 23:05.38 | dataw0lf | yeah, I know. |
| 23:06.13 | optikal | woohoo.. RedHat.. your favorite distro! |
| 23:06.21 | dataw0lf | better than Windows. |
| 23:06.38 | optikal | yah.. very true |
| 23:07.22 | optikal | sounds like a pretty promising position |
| 23:07.47 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, theyre a good company...i almost took a position w/ them |
| 23:19.24 | tierra|w | WE NEED AND ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR A SUPERSTAR! |
| 23:19.31 | optikal | yah heheh |
| 23:19.39 | tierra|w | I remember this application on the mailing list now |
| 23:19.48 | tierra|w | err.. job posting |
| 23:19.52 | bigdog_ut | yeah...i guess they found dataw0lf |
| 23:19.55 | tierra|w | hehe |
| 23:21.38 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: so did you interview with them already? |
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| 23:32.06 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: I did a phone interview, I got inperson interview Monday, but I'm about 99% sure I'm going to get the job. |
| 23:32.17 | macnewbold | sweet |
| 23:32.19 | dataw0lf | I'm pretty good at teh old interview. |
| 23:32.37 | macnewbold | so you da supahstah, huh? |
| 23:32.48 | dataw0lf | I guess. |
| 23:33.17 | macnewbold | sweet. I thought about sending them something saying my partner and I would do it on contract, but not full time. |
| 23:33.39 | macnewbold | ~dataw0lf |
| 23:33.42 | jbot | hmm... dataw0lf is sleeping again |
| 23:33.52 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, they no like contacts |
| 23:34.00 | macnewbold | ~dataw0lf is also da supahstah |
| 23:34.01 | jbot | macnewbold: okay |
| 23:34.07 | macnewbold | ~dataw0lf++ |
| 23:34.13 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: did you talk to them? |
| 23:34.33 | bigdog_ut | yeah, this summer around march, i talked to the cto about a position |
| 23:34.53 | macnewbold | and they only want to hire people full time huh? well, their loss... ;) |
| 23:35.01 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 23:35.31 | bigdog_ut | they wanted fulltime and i wanted to do contract work |
| 23:35.42 | bigdog_ut | but there product was pretty cool |
| 23:36.24 | bigdog_ut | i just did not want to commute |
| 23:37.25 | bigdog_ut | good luck dataw0lf...i hope u get it |
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| 23:41.46 | dataw0lf | thanks guys. |
| 23:45.16 | optikal | definately |
| 23:45.21 | optikal | good luck buddeh. |
