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| 01:55.40 | dataw0lf | http://funroll-loops.org/gentoo.jpg |
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| 02:11.44 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Yeah... that site has some funny stuff... |
| 02:26.10 | dataw0lf | indeed it does. |
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| 16:17.12 | asynic | bleh, why did they have to take that colormixer down before I could use it |
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| 18:46.06 | asynic | anyone home? |
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| 20:44.06 | asynic | anyone in? |
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| 20:55.43 | asynic | can anyone recommend a good cross-browser technique for creating drop down menus? |
| 20:55.53 | asynic | I wouldn't ask... I don't really like drop downs, but the client has requested |
| 20:57.12 | tbye | css? |
| 20:57.21 | tbye | using display: block |
| 20:57.44 | tbye | show and hide the block. |
| 21:12.58 | dataw0lf | that'll show up on IE? |
| 21:13.14 | tbye | yes |
| 21:13.28 | tbye | simple example at http://www.viperpit.com |
| 21:13.44 | dataw0lf | well, I don't have IE to test it with. |
| 21:14.07 | tbye | on a linux wkst? |
| 21:14.25 | dataw0lf | yeah, I don't use windows. |
| 21:14.37 | tbye | wine |
| 21:14.46 | dataw0lf | and I don't install wine on my machines. |
| 21:15.01 | tbye | rdesktop to a machine running win |
| 21:15.41 | dataw0lf | if I had a Windows box available to me. |
| 21:15.43 | dataw0lf | which I don't. |
| 21:17.37 | tbye | hrmm... vmware? |
| 21:17.46 | tbye | ... 30 day trial? |
| 21:18.05 | dataw0lf | seriously, I don't want any windows software on my boxes whatsoever. |
| 21:18.13 | tbye | I dream of a day when I don't have to use windows... |
| 21:18.39 | dataw0lf | why dream? |
| 21:18.54 | tbye | Because there's this thing called market share... |
| 21:19.44 | dataw0lf | well, I don't do Windows development. |
| 21:21.51 | tbye | What development do you do? |
| 21:22.30 | dataw0lf | Linux development. Some 'web' development, when I get the contracts. |
| 21:23.07 | tbye | Cool, server daemon work... desktop apps? |
| 21:23.19 | dataw0lf | No, mostly low level C stuff. |
| 21:23.42 | tbye | Cool... done that in past lives... embedded linux and other RTOS |
| 21:23.55 | dataw0lf | jup. |
| 21:24.24 | tbye | OSE, VxWorks, Embeddix... fun stuff. Gigabit Ethernet switches. |
| 21:26.06 | dataw0lf | Not a fan of the Embeddix. |
| 21:26.51 | tbye | ya me neither... we had a linux zealot... who had to have it... afew grand in licenses later, we got sersious ditched embeddix, gabbed ose and green hills compilers and built something that rocked. |
| 21:27.20 | dataw0lf | Troll Tech just doesn't impress me any way. |
| 21:27.42 | tbye | heh... ya me neither. |
| 21:28.42 | tbye | Although I think GTK is painful as well. |
| 21:29.00 | tbye | I like Python primarily... and don't mind using wxWidgets. |
| 21:30.19 | dataw0lf | +in |
| 21:30.19 | dataw0lf | a couple of us are working on some HC11/HC12 stuff, that crap is pretty fun. |
| 21:30.19 | dataw0lf | Oh, well, for GUI applications Python is my number one choice. PyGTK is ok, but wxPython rocks. I wish they'd do some more work on IronPython, too. |
| 21:31.44 | tbye | Hmm... I wouldn't have guessed the interest in IronPython... big mono fan? |
| 21:32.25 | dataw0lf | Not a huge fan, I haven't really done much of that kind of work, C#, etc. But it has definitely intrigued me. |
| 21:33.06 | dataw0lf | I'm .NET stupid, I don't really know anything about that crap, but I've been playing around in MonoDevelop lately. |
| 21:33.37 | tbye | I got my hands dirty with the windows variety for a recent video encoding project. I spent too many years writing Java, so the C# effort was natural... ended up doing most of the work in C++ for the speed of the DirectShow apis though. |
| 21:34.13 | dataw0lf | Yeah, I haven't really ever done any Java programming before, and I don't ever plan on it. |
| 21:34.32 | dataw0lf | One reason why I am liking the .NET/Mono: it's trying to usurp Java. |
| 21:34.56 | tbye | heh.... it's quite popular amongst the Network management crowd. Hence my trip down jvm lane. |
| 21:35.07 | dataw0lf | heh. |
| 21:35.41 | tbye | I don't hate it... but I think the apis are terribly inconsistent... |
| 21:36.02 | tbye | so many different layers of abastraction... |
| 21:36.16 | dataw0lf | I think that alot of people who learn Java as a first language pick up some bad habits, too. |
| 21:36.41 | dataw0lf | the whole college student mentality of 'EVERYTHING MUST BE DONE OOP' |
| 21:36.52 | asynic | bleh, these suckerfish menus are pissing me off. |
| 21:37.40 | tbye | Heh... I like seeing OOP guys on embedded projects based in C. |
| 21:37.57 | tbye | Talk about a mess of structs lol |
| 21:38.11 | dataw0lf | hehe. |
| 21:38.24 | asynic | alright, you css experts may be able to help me here. |
| 21:38.29 | asynic | http://synic.ath.cx/premier |
| 21:38.39 | asynic | mouse over the fish names |
| 21:38.54 | tbye | wow! |
| 21:38.56 | tbye | hehe |
| 21:39.00 | asynic | (probably won't work in IE) |
| 21:39.06 | asynic | but yeah, a bit broken. |
| 21:39.10 | asynic | I can't get them all to be the same size |
| 21:39.18 | asynic | and can't get them to stop overlapping each other. |
| 21:39.22 | tbye | width: ? |
| 21:39.27 | asynic | yeah, tried that. |
| 21:39.31 | tbye | hmm |
| 21:39.35 | asynic | right now they are set to 50px;. |
| 21:39.41 | asynic | I know, you can't tell, but hey, I tried |
| 21:40.54 | tbye | Ever used classes? |
| 21:40.56 | dataw0lf | that looks terrible. |
| 21:41.05 | dataw0lf | I think I'm going to redesign my site. |
| 21:41.50 | asynic | tbye, yup. |
| 21:41.51 | dataw0lf | I want to master CSS, right now I'm just hacking it up. |
| 21:42.01 | asynic | right now, I'm just following this tutorial |
| 21:42.04 | asynic | which doesn't use classes. |
| 21:42.12 | dataw0lf | what tutorial is that? |
| 21:42.13 | tbye | interesting |
| 21:42.14 | tbye | okay |
| 21:42.22 | asynic | http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dropdowns/ |
| 21:42.35 | dataw0lf | ah, a List Apart rocks. |
| 21:42.46 | dataw0lf | asynic: colormixers is back up btw. |
| 21:42.48 | asynic | well, right now it's just pissing me off. |
| 21:43.05 | asynic | dataw0lf, url? |
| 21:43.25 | asynic | oh wait, I forgot to retort. |
| 21:43.28 | asynic | dataw0lf, you look terrible. |
| 21:43.34 | dataw0lf | http://www.colormixers.com/mixers/cmr/ |
| 21:43.44 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 21:43.53 | dataw0lf | I think we know thats a lie, buddy. |
| 21:43.55 | dataw0lf | I'm hawt. |
| 21:45.12 | dataw0lf | yeah, there's no retort for that buddy. |
| 21:45.35 | asynic | hawt like a bowl full of naked richard simmons's's |
| 21:45.43 | dataw0lf | haha. |
| 21:46.03 | dataw0lf | have you met Roxie yet? |
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| 21:46.40 | asynic | nope, I still haven't |
| 21:46.58 | dataw0lf | I'm a lucky one. |
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| 21:47.28 | asynic | http://synic.ath.cx/premier |
| 21:47.32 | asynic | ok... a little better |
| 21:47.40 | asynic | 'cept now they are all like 10px apart |
| 21:47.43 | dataw0lf | asynic: you should help us out with the DC uC stuff. |
| 21:47.48 | asynic | I'd like it if they knocked it off. |
| 21:47.57 | asynic | the what huh? |
| 21:48.32 | dataw0lf | the DefCon microcontroller stuff we're doing. |
| 21:48.49 | dataw0lf | tell A you're interested, he'll let you in the 'secret forum' section for it. |
| 21:49.02 | dataw0lf | we're trying to keep our ideas on the DL so nobody steals em from us. |
| 21:49.27 | dataw0lf | do some low level programming for a change, I strongly recommend it. |
| 21:49.39 | asynic | o_O |
| 21:49.42 | dataw0lf | maybe it'll cancel out some of your Java gayness. |
| 21:49.47 | asynic | me, doing low level programming? |
| 21:49.49 | tbye | lol |
| 21:50.04 | dataw0lf | asynic: c'mon, it's easy. |
| 21:50.09 | asynic | I dunno... that may bump me into a higher leetness category. |
| 21:50.15 | asynic | I don't want to outshine anyone. |
| 21:50.19 | dataw0lf | psh. |
| 21:50.22 | asynic | :P |
| 21:50.23 | dataw0lf | no chance of that happening. |
| 21:50.51 | dataw0lf | seriously though, I think anyone would benefit from doing some low level hacking. |
| 21:51.12 | asynic | probably. |
| 21:51.17 | asynic | I have to get this site done, though |
| 21:51.43 | asynic | it's just an information one, so once I get the layout done, it's just the content. |
| 21:51.55 | asynic | now... if I can just teach these dropdowns a lesson |
| 21:52.05 | dataw0lf | what are you doing the site for? |
| 21:52.15 | asynic | Nancy's company in VA |
| 21:52.28 | dataw0lf | ah, cool. |
| 21:52.36 | asynic | easy money |
| 21:52.42 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 21:55.11 | dataw0lf | next time Nancy comes out, we should all go out and get drunk like we did.. around Christmas, wasn't it? |
| 21:55.27 | dataw0lf | ah, yes, that's when I met Becky. |
| 21:55.37 | asynic | well, I don't think that will be happening for a while. |
| 21:55.55 | dataw0lf | aw, shucks. |
| 21:56.06 | asynic | she's gone into one of her uber "I want to be mormon" stages. |
| 21:56.41 | dataw0lf | wha-at? |
| 21:57.02 | asynic | happens like once every other year, for a year |
| 21:57.18 | dataw0lf | heh, wow. |
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